St Augustinegrass Doveweed Control: Blindside vs Celsius Herbicide
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- First video of the battle with DoveWeed and to a lesser extent nutsedge. St Augustinegrass plug grow.
Blindside Herbicide vs Celsius Herbicide, still need to wait another week for full results but you can see where we are after 7 days.
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I love Blake's channel. I live about 30 minutes from him, and its nice to see how local grass and accounts are handled.
This video was perfect timing. I've been looking at both products trying to decide which one to go with. Based on the sedge factor, blindside it is. Thank you for making these videos.
awesome bro
Thanks for all the Vids and info. I live in a similar climate in Australia so it is great to have someone to relay info more relevant to conditions as most seam to be broad spectrum info given. I appreciate it Thank you
you're welcome!
it's very interesting to see the process and changes of the lawn
it's an adventure!
That's were you said the doveweed was crabgrass, on Facebook. I was confused for a couple weeks after I seen that video because I couldn't find any images of crabgrass that looked like that then I couldn't find the video again.
Weeds seem to be bad this year. I take care of my neighbor's yard and she has terrible crabgrass (never been that bad), plus doveweed (which I've never seen in that lawn). The problem is that I don't know what type of grass is in the problem area. I've used a turf identification tool which seems to indicate it's a hybrid Bermuda though it doesn't really look like Bermuda (it spreads with rhizomes and runners). I've never cut it short, always 3.5 inches (I don't think it'll be green at all if I cut it much lower, especially now in the summer). To make things more interesting, she says she sodded centipede about 10 years ago though only small patches are actually centipede (unless there's other radical types of centipede).
you have a salad bar of a different kind! ANd this year has been bad for crabgrass all the way and up into the north too - a super hot summer, prolonged dry spell... then heavy rains bring it up overnight. Blindside is safe for Bermuda too, not sure about centipede though.
Bro, the haircut you have is one of the best cuts I’ve ever seen you with. Go back to the barber and book an appointment.
Thanks again. I really enjoy your video's, keep them coming the information is appreciated.
I wish you would make more videos like this. Funny entertaining and educational. New videos dont have the same punch.
Adding "zorched" into daily vocabulary.
Great vid!
sharping your mower blade for less diseases. I notice a big difference in my lawn using a sharp blade and make sure that you balance your blade before putting back on mower
Thanks for all the awesome videos! I'm doing a full renovation. Getting rid of the salad and some old Kentucky 31. Doing a blend of Kentucky bluegrass. Love love your videos!! New York!! Cool season lawn domination ;)
Just an FYI, Walmart is having a sale on Milo. Some stores have it for $5 a bag!!
Nice! I need Friday to hurry up and get here and hope there is still some left!
this is amazing information. thank you for sharing. i have Bermuda and St Augustine grass in my front and backyard. What products i need to use to kill the weeds/insects in the lawn. can you please let me know? appreciate your help and information.
Great Video. I think the St Augustine lawn is what we call Buffalo here in Australia. I am not sure about the product availability here but need to do the research as we are about to come into our growth season.
Great education video's, Thanks.
your thoughts Alyn on mowing after rain. Also, St.Augustine Grass is two words. Dove weed is two words. not sure you can go back and edit your title, but this could help search results. Cards with links to purchase the product could be helpful too. Dont you just love my unsolicted advice. Someday ill get my own YT channel. Im okay watching the expert though.
here is how the University of FL spells St Augustinegrass: edis.ifas.ufl.edu/lh010 and here is doveweed edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ag395 The good news is Google knows that Dove Weed and doveweed are the same thing! Their algorthm has incorporated elements like that for years :)
Another great video . blindside looks like the champ to me . Thanks LCN
thanks Bro!
Awesome video!! Also, thank you for the shout out!!
you're welcome brother! Keep growing that channel man!
Love the vids and updates and understand your experimenting and trying to teach. Do you wish you had sodded initially? Thinking the cost of herbicides, time and equipment is a wash, even when free.
do a video on backpack sprayers i got me one and it makes it easy to keep the psi as most come with a psi gauge on the spray wand. but some may not like to carry 5gal on there back
I noticed yesterday here in DFW some Virginia Button weed, JUST coming out. Could not order Celsius and MOA any faster! I have Dismiss Nxt, and will give it a try however, Celsius is the good stuff from what I hear.
I watched this video as my first of yours, ,,,I really enjoyed it,,,,thank you!
I will recheck the label, but if memory serves, Celcius bonds to the plant within 20min. Faster if it dries.
My sprig stagustine is also doing great only problem is the weed takeover and after watching your vids im alittle worried to spray it, mostly broadleaf weeds, the area i treated with pendulum is doing great actually, but the areas that did not get it are a big carpet of awfullness, one plot has been sprayed with 24d, thing is fall is around the corner and i dont want to pause growth, have you ever tried fusilade2 on st agustine? Anyways great vid.
I'd be very careful what you use on those sprigs. Never heard of fusilade, sorry
Lawn Care Nut: will these products be able to control or eventually remove wood violets? I have a problem with them in my yard and was wondering when the best time to treat for them and what to use. Great channel, I have been following all of your tips and have began your lawn program and it does wonders! Thanks!
Why kill them? The flowers are really pretty, and I'm sure the bees and other insects love them. It's not like wood violets are "creeping charlie"!
Just grow Dove Weed, looks pretty good really lol. All green. Unless it mows like crabgrass, all nasty and such.
Hey Allyn, I do strongly suggest you tell folks that Celsius is only used for Warm Season turfs. I love using Celsius on all my warm season turfs, and dollar for dollar it is the BEST. I also suggest talking about the different rates of use when discussing Celsius. I use it at the mid-high rates as a blanket spray during the May-June time.
I like Blindside for all lawns but it does not get more weeds than Celsius, but again Celsius is for only Summer turfs. Especially important for those of us living in zones 7 and higher...
Great show!
I've had a few questions about this and I guess I thought it was obvious since the title is "St augustinegrass" - as far as the rates, some people thought in the vid that I used too much... I used the high rate of .34 oz/3 gal across 2900 SF. I try to stay away from giving rates on video just for that reason, people need to read the label for themselves and their situation. I'll try to correct in the next video.
Once the yellowing occurs after 2 weeks. Does that means Its dead or still dying? Basically I have sprayed a bunch of clover and its all still yellow. Does it need another application?
in New Hampshire we call it Witch Grass.
Allyn, I used image kills nutsedge on my St. Augustine to kill the nutgrass but it turned my grass brown and stunted the growth.
I believe there is a heat restriction on Image, that could be why
+The Lawn Care Nut please tell me it's not permanent and it will recover.
Do you dethatch and/or aerate st Augustine floratam in south Florida?
Wow! Nutsedge in clumps! That would kill me... I have singletons and they make me crazy.
Thanks G Lokuta, Very helpful.
Great video!! I have been waiting for this one. I am in clermont, same issue with the plugs, i wonder if sod would have been the better alternative?
for sure sod would have been a better choice but I am hard headed and had to do the hard thing for this channel :) and to be honest, I am having tons of fun with it even through the struggles
Hello Allen! Love the videos. I've used the Celcius and it's great! It killed all my weeds when I applied it. What did you use to get rid of the grey leaf spot?
I used PatchPro from Solutions Self Chem - Sebastian's info is in the description.
+The Lawn Care Nut thank you! Keep up the good work! You have made me love lawn care again. I have the best lawn in the neighborhood .. DOMINATE.. Like you always say. I've gotten a lot of compliments. I've had neighbors come to me and say they're in competition with me lol. Thanks again for all your help!
I love hearing that! :)
Basic question... in the north all these weeds like crabgrass are bad because they are annuals so they leave a big hole in the lawn after winter. But in Florida, if they thrive and mix with your desired turfgrass, is that so bad? Thanks
If you weren't the Lawn Care Nut, I'd call you the Lawn Gladiator due to the epic fight you are having with invasive weeds.
I'd call him "Sharpen the Lawn Mower Blade" !!! czcams.com/video/DB0usfeLYZ0/video.htmlm3s
i get it ;)
Allyn, thanks again for all the great tips!!
You could have put down Ronstar G after plugging and prevented this infestation in the first place. Make sure you can ID the weeds before you start treatment. Don't use dish soap, get an actual sticker/surfactant. Get a backpack sprayer and put a fan nozzle on it and calibrate with the speed you walk for applying proper rate. GPA = (5940*GPM)/(MPH*W) Get turf dye so you can see where you are covering to avoid overlaps and missed spots. Wear rubber boots, I know it won't look cool like your hat but extended direct exposure to herbicides can lead to serious health problems. Both herbicides should be rainfast after 2 hrs, I doubt rainfall of any amount after that will have any negative effect.
Celcius is a very slow acting herbicide. I would to see The 20 day results.
And he didn't use MSO...
Two Questions. #1, how is the plug grow back behind the fence where u made you own plugs? #2, you had some thinning out back in that area after you cut it to low, and u were going to spray something on it to help it out. How did that turn out?
back yard is struggling to say the least - with no chems it's not pretty but I am holding out hope for a fall recovery
Allan how's it going? I just got me a bottle of blindside and a 4 gallon backpack sprayer. I'm not really trying to do a blanket app just spot spray weeds. What's your recommendation on the amount of product to use with the 4 gallon backpack sprayer? Also I got Bermuda Grass. Due to your videos I can proudly say I got the best lawn in the neighborhood!
Felix Ulloa .15oz per gallon. Do not use a surfactant or spray when temps are above 85. If you're trying to kill doveweed it is preferable to spray after a rain with no chance for irrigation or precipitation for 24hrs.
I see the lawn care nut is using a larger container of blindside is that size available, because i only see the 8 ounce container?
Good stuff. I know you have a lot going on but remind me of the Thrive experiment. You soaked sprigs and sprayed next to each other on the Auggie side or the Bermuda side? Both? I totally forget with all you have going on lol! You able to form any conclusions on it yet?
they both came out the same, no difference. But I will be doing more tests with Superthrive in the future
How can I get one of those badass safari hats?
And then he really doesn't show us the end result. Which one ended up killing the weed? A complete waste of time!!!!
Keep strong Oorah!
We use Dismiss in OH.
Just threw down some Celsius yesterday, I did 1 1/2 teaspoons for my 2 gallon sprayer, looks like you used a lot more for your 3 gallon sprayer... did I mess up the mix ratio??
Can you use Blindside in 80/85º weather? (In Jacksonville, FL) Thinking about dropping it down this weekend.
That house looks so much like the new house
LCN I have Zenith Zoysia on my lawn and Dallasgrass is invading my lawn. Which herbicide would you use to knock those weeds back?
Hi. So I used Blindside to spot treat weeds in my fescue lawn in the Piedmont region of NC (2 weeks ago) and it appears to also be killing my fescue. I used a ratio of 0.1/gal. My lawn guy said it's not the fescue that's dying, but the Poa, but I think he's mistaken. I've seen Poa in other parts of my lawn and it's already sprouted. The grass that's being burned/killed off where I've spot treated has not yet sprouted so that's why I believe it's my fescue that's dying along with the weeds. Any ideas why the fescue might be dying off with the weeds (I've searched online and even called the Blindside manufacturer and can't get a satisfactory answer). And do you have suggestions for what to do next? My understanding is that it's pretty late now to overseed so I'm not sure how to deal what will become open dry spots in my lawn.
excellent video great work!
thank you
Hello Mr. Lawn Care Nut: I hope you are doing great considering the super hot weather here in Florida. I have a question for you and I was hoping you can help. Is it easy to find the Celsius for Dove weeds?
You can find it at Site One
What's the difference between that and crab grass as well as crowfoot grass
But what rate did you apply the Celsius at in the middle of July was it low medium or high. Didn't catch it in the video????
What rate was the blind side mixed at ?
"The two most powerful warriors are patience and time" Leo Tolstoy
well said
can i apply herbicide and fertilize the same day? or even the same week?
Hey LCN question, I'm considering using one of these products on both my St. Aug and Bermusda. My question is really dog related. I'm not worried about using it in my front yard, but the back is where I have dogs. What are your suggestions or is it even advisable? Is there another answer?
Hey guys. I'm pretty new to this...I have identified some of the weeds I have... What would be a good product to buy to kill crabgrass, goosegrass, spotted spurge, creeping beggarsweed and chickweed? By the way I have st Augustine grass..I want to kill off all the weeds as this is not allowing the lawn to grow thick...
How much of the blindside did you mix to 4 gallons of water?
Great video. I also live in Florida and service lawns with St Augustine grass. I just received my order of Blindside yesterday. I found the instuction for the mixing ratio per gallon quite confusing. Can you share how much product you use per gallon of water ? Thanks
Water is simply a carrier for the product. its all about product applied over a given area. Your label will specify a range of ounces of product per 1000sqft. You can use lower or high volumes of water with the same amount of product. In the case of Blindside, they recommend 0.5 to 4.0 gallons of water per 1000sqft to carry the product, with higher volumes of water used in dense weed infestations.
In addition to what Geoff said, the bottle is a tip and pour that helps make measuring more simple but make sure you level it carefully. Blindside is very low use product meaning it doesn't take much. lastly, everything you see me doing here is based on 1 gallon covering 1000 SF from a hand can
Hey Allen
I am having dove weed coming in my zoysia I have a flow zone . I have blindside and Celsius and certainty what’s rate would you do I saw the video you us soap should I with blindside I hate this weed please help
I plugged St. Augustine in my yard and had the doveweed take over too. I bought celcius and applied it. Celcius killed the doveweed in a few weeks, bad news is the doveweed came right back. St. Augustine grass doesn't fill in fast enough. Any tips from anyone?
If I put that on my customers lawns there seniors they would freak out.
Have you used Monument 75 before? I don't beleive it can be used on St. Augustine...but it can on Bermuda/zoysia.
no never heard of it but I will check it!
+The Lawn Care Nut It's kind of what got me started on watching your videos. I was searching for a commercial grade weed killer for Bermuda grass and found a ton of good reviews for that product. I applied it back May and my lawn has been weed free up until just recently. Still weed free where the grass is nice and thick. I'm located in North Georgia btw. Keep up the great videos! I love watching them!
So if Doveweed looks so similar to St. Augustine, why bother getting rid of it? Isn't the bottom line how good the lawn looks?
because doveweed is not a turfgrass - and it's also annual so it dies off in winter
So although it looks good now, it will die off in the winter in St. Pete and will look ugly?
yes there is a very good chance of that - anything below 50 degrees will kill it.
Now, I have to be honest, I have considered the option- and I think it would be fun to try and grow a doveweed lawn -- but since this is my only lawn and my house, I don't want to try that here.
+The Lawn Care Nut my lawn looks great again this year. So full and so lush. A nice bright green color to boast. Sadly, it is because of the Doveweed. I too considered "why not have an entire lawn of Doveweed and Crabgrass"? Anyways, I've kept up with you ever since I found you a few months ago. An Indy native myself, I'll be sure to keep checking out your older videos as u keep up weekly with your new ones. I used to have one of the best lawns in the neighborhood until years of drought and life happened. Thanks to you, I'm confident I'll get it back and be able to call a line of domination my own once again. Keep up the great work!
I guess I'm going to have to bite the bullet and buy some Blindside. I live in the same town you do and am having the same weeds...I'm surprised you don't have sandspurs showing up.
not yet - you do already? I need to do a video on that - I have Image herbicide that will kill them - however there are heat restrictions on it so can't use it right now
The Lawn Care Nut
My sandspurs have been up for a while now, if you don't see them by now you may not have them. Lucky for you as they are incredibly tough and your neighbors lawn will reseed yours each year.....
The image in granul form doesn't have a heat restriction. I've been using it in Georgia with decent results in high heat . One pack per gallon of water in a hand can .
I have st Augustine(shade areas) and Bermuda(full sun), home Depot stuff is useless, which of these is safe for both?
You can buy Atrazine on eBay.
How much blindside did you use per gallon
What exactly is the soap for?.
Do you have any other alternatives to blindside? Seems as if it's not allowed in California
Celsius! :)
Really need some help here. I killed my St. Augustine Lawn (well most of it) and a lot of the runners are starting to get new growth. Good sign, really good sign if you saw my lawn. I also am having doveweed problems in the areas where I didn't kill and new doveweed growth in the areas there is no growth. My lawn is obviously stressed and I am afraid if I use blindside it will further damage what I do have or the new growth on the stolons. I have been doing a lot of physical hand pulling but cant keep up. Do I deal with having doveweed until I get more St. Augustine growth back? Will the doveweed snuff out the new growth if not treated? Or do I "Thrower down" (blindside) and beg the new St. Augustine growth not to die?
Plan of attack?
Try a small area. If it kills it throw down some sod. It's $1.98 a piece. My thoughts......
I have yellow tips on my st augustine in some spots causing a noticeable patch area of yellowing almost going to brown. But I haven't really noticed any round brown lesions on the blades either. Is there an email I can send you pics to help me identify what's going on with it
Where can I find a hat like the one u have on
I heard you can't mow st. Augustine vertically because of the way it's seed grows, is that true? I mowed it vertically and changed the pattern a lot but what would you recommend?
so it's safe to mow it vertically not just horizontally?
what to use on nimblewill grass
It clearly states on the blindside lable : not to use surfactant with blindside
Is there an economical killer that gets rid of tall fescue grass?
It would depend what your chosen "keeper" turf grass is. If you have fescue invadting Bermuda for example, that would take a different course of action that clumping fescue in bluegrass. If you call Sebastian (linnked in the description) he can help you out for sure. As far as economical, that's really hard to say - the chems may be expensive but at what cost to the overall appearance of the lawn? follow?
whats the link for your facebook page? cant seem to get the above link to work. p.s. i love your lawn care videos!
try this one facebook.com/LawnCareTips
How does Blind Side fair against dollar weed? I have dollarweed taking over my St Aug lawn and don’t feel like spending $1300 to have Massey get rid of it for me.
Celsius kills it for sure
8 min in and I've learned about rain.
Would these treatments work the same for Virginia buttonweed in my St. Augustine?
either one of them would get rid of it
I am experiencing stress with my St. Augustine, because of the excessive rain, and major cloudy days. I have fungicide control, but I am not sure if I should wait until we get some sunny days.
Hey Shelia, so the best way to apply Fungicide is to have a 3 day period when you're not going to have rain in the forecast. You would apply the Fungicide and water that initial day. Then you would want at least 2 days of no rain or water following the application. Depending on the concentration of Propiconazole in your fungicide you should start seeing results in 14 days. This also depends on what disease and how much of the lawn has been affected already. If you have any questions just give me a call. Allyn has my number in the description of the video.
Didn't get my stickers, let Celsius go lil longer.... yes its that slow on tough weeds
I live in Ontario and all pesticides and herbicides are banned.. any idea how to kill weeds...all I can think of is hand pulling which leaves small holes everywhere.
If I was you, I'd move to another country. That's how strongly I feel about the bans up there
I wish I could :(
Those wide bottomed measures suck. They used to have a tapered cup that was more accurate.
Do you miss cool season grasses?
I sure do!
+The Lawn Care Nut its there a reason you went with st augustine and Bermuda instead of tall fescue (since it can tolerate heat as well)? just curious. my wife and I moved to our first home last October and the prior owners did nothing to their lawn. we are panning on putting st Augustine in the back which is just dirt and weeds now.
Doveweed,
I've always referred to it as the shit weed, now I finally know what it's real name is.
you've got your hands full with this weed especially when it starts to produce the
little purple flower, your big problem will be next year not this year. If you can stop it before the purple flower you have half a fighting chance next year. It"s extremely hard to kill it laughs at Round Up,
the only luck that I have had is with atrazine and it almost has to be used at full strength and you're going to damage your turf, it's strange I've been growing Bermuda grass for the last 17 years and I've only notice this weed on my turf and on golf courses within the last 7 years.
I just found out about your Channel and just subscribed I have a couple of turf related videos of my own including a backyard putting green construction video.
keep up the good work and keep fighting the good fight!
yeah when I look at UofF research apparently this weed has naturalized itself bigtime in the last few years - not sure why. It has not started flowering yet but only because I was cutting it twice per week - which on the flipside is bad because thta encourages lateral growth - not pretty, but fun in a sick sort of way :)
+The Lawn Care Nut Thanks for replying to my comment!
The purple seed head flower is still a few weeks away,
you really need to kill it before that happens though if not next year is going to be a real train wreck, you put down a pre-emergent and that didn't stop the doveweed from germinating.It typically dies on its own about a month or so after it seeds out.
Unfortunately living in Florida brings about many obstacles prime example the last few days have been nothing but rain in overcast conditions a perfect breeding ground for pythium root rot. I am curious to see how your selective post-emergence control of the dove grass turns out.
I have never tried any of those products, I'm afraid you may have to bend the rules a bit to control that weed.
I live right here in the Tampa Bay area with you, if you're interested in a small batch of atrazine for free P.M me
Good luck
Dave
Frankenlawn the whole lot!!!
that's the plan!
awesome!
I think you meant to "Give a shout out" to your buddies. Not "call them out". Haha. Calling someone out is usually a bad thing. We knew what you meant though. Great vids as always man! Really like this channel. I'm fighting the crabgrass and dove weed in Dallas right now too! I'm loosing badly!
ha ha did I say that? Too funny. I get to the end of an edit, especially one with this much footage to bring together, and I get friggin brain fried. :) if you have Bermuda, Blindside is ok for that too BTW.
Solutions Self Chem. Do they have a web site ?
www.solutionsstores.com/
Any product suggestions to combat tropical sod webworms?
active ingredient bifenthrin
I am so pissed at myself. Ran out of tenacity bought Celsius instead now I’ve a doveweed problem and am needing blindside. 😝
did you really use that much?
.34 oz for 3 gallons and covered 2800 SF.
What happened to your walk behind sprayer
I have it still but in this case I wanted to be sure I could see the coverage better so I used the hand can
Wow an entire episode without saying throw er down! Jk keep up the great work.
how about that! :)