Mopane VS Grenadilla
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2022
- Quick test of the Marigaux Mopane wood VS Grenadilla wood head-joints for the M2 Marigaux oboe.
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Well,I have played Marigaux from 1965 to 2003. Foe me was Marigaux the oboe whu gave me the sound I wantet to have. Thanks to the Management of Marigaux for a long life with my Rosewood oboe …Yours Brynjar Hoff
Dear Marin, thanks for this great video. For me was the Mopane joint the winner, but it is a question of taste. About oboes made with this wood...yes, Josef works already many years with this wood and I am a happy owner of a Mopanes Cor Anglais. The wood is really stable as you say and has a wonderfull resonance. Best regards. Jaime
Thank you Jaime! I do really like how it combines with the instrument, no wonder it's so successful. I am sure the cor anglais is lovely.
Your playing has such a clear and sweet tone, it's phenomenal.
Thank you 🙏
The ULTIMATE Marigaux is the Altuglass 901 model and its sister the Altuglass M2. Absolutely AMAZING!! The Mopane sound warmer.
Bingo! My description exactly.
Beautiful playing on both. It seemed to me that the lower notes were just a bit more resonant on the Mopane top joint. A friend of mine plays a Mopane oboe made by Howarth, and she loves it.
Oh that's great, thank you for your comment. Howarth are solid!
I just bought a Howarth Mopane oboe & I’m in LOVE with the low register.
its my dream oboe
I would say I preferred the mopane joint, sounded like it had a fuller, slightly richer warmer sound. I’ve seen it online and always considered it more of a visual thing. But the difference is quite noticeable.
My partner is not going to be happy if you keep tempting me to a new oboe tho 😝
Thanks for sharing your opinion, I have to say I tend to use the grenadilla one more lately but I like the mopane as well. It's not a must have.
hello, nice video, grandiella 👍👍👍
Hi Marin, you sound great on both. There’s really not much in it but I prefer the Mopane sound . All the best, Conall
Thanks mate!
Grenadilla for sure. No. 2
Because?
Great video! I can't imagine the difference on feeling but the sound mostly high H is much nicer the new wood one! Have more stability and creamy sound.
Thanks for sharing your impressions! After some time I still like them both very much for different pieces. Some reeds suit one slightly better then the other as well.
Option 1 has noticeably more "ring" in the sound, especially on the 2nd octave Es. I feel like it would sing through the orchestra much easier than the Grenadilla
I use to have a M2 and I had both head joints: kingwood and grenadilla. What I felt (and I heard in your playing too) it’s like the grenadilla had more reverb in the sound. It has just better projection and “matches” better the rest of the instrument 😇
I agree, you have a great ear!
Usually M2 are ‘late development’ oboes and that will happen to your head joints too. I certainly believe both head joints will develop and will become easier to play, the grenadilla will keep the proyection and the mopane will grow in beauty and flexibility😇
Sound generated by Mopane haed is in my opinion less wide and soft than grenadilla, it more straight and direct, actually more in direction of Marigaux 2001 that I am plying on
I actually own a mopane oboe myself! I can’t speak to the subtle differences between it and grenadilla, because I had been playing on a plastic beginners oboe before I switched, but i really enjoy the sound of it! It sounds very slightly more tinny, but not overly so. Grenadilla tends to sound more flowery and rich in tone, while mopane sounds a little like a tenor singing high register at times. If that makes much sense haha.
That's a very good description, what brand is it? I would still be curious to try a full mopane oboe.
The wood is describe as being suitable for woodwind instruments. So I assume if you can make the out of Grenadilla, you can make them out of Mopane.
For me the mopani has more shimmering, more spin with same depth Oboe prof at Washington State University has a full mopane instrument: I prefer it to one of Cocabola.
That's very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Thank you for the interesting video. I thought Grenadilla sounds more delicate, Mopane sharper & clearer when you played Brahms, after that I am not sure.... difference is so subtle I cannot hear the one from the other. Anyway, I enjoyed trying to find out the difference and I expect other videos about oboes made of other various materials. Thanks again!
Thank you, I would have to agree with you, very good ear!
BIg difference, my 2 cents are going to the option 1. Reading the comments below, I must say that option 2 *might* be really good fit for an ensemble or orchestra but it really depends on so many factors, At the end of the day the oboe is the shiniest and the most beautiful instrument, don't hide in your shell, show the world how much it can :)
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Hey Martin, how does it sound in a big concert hall? I think the black wood will project more? The mopane sounds more clear up-close. I’m not sure how it will sound in a big hall when you have to project through a big orchestra. The black wood sounds like it will take more air with ease. On clarinet we have mopane and boxwood to choose from but after testing in my concert hall everytime the blackwood wins. Maybe Mopane will be better for solo recitals and chamber music where finer details are required. You sound great, really enjoyed the Brahms solo, so warm and beautiful ❤
Very good comments. I did play it a few times in a big hall and I do feel more comfortable on the grenadilla, it blends and caries nicer. I used the mopane for some Haydn and it helped me with the clarity in the sound, the articulation is clearer somehow. These are my impressions and I would be curious to hear a feedback from the audience. At the end I don't think the difference is that big but it's nice to have the variety.
@@BeyondOboe absolutely, it is always great to have the variety! Keep things interesting! Best wishes!
Like with clarinets, the mopane sounds more diffuse, while the grenadilla sounds more direct.
Good call, although I call the mopane a warmer sound.
Grenadilla, warmer sound, atleast for brahms its the kind of sound i prefer. I can clearly hear the diference between them, didnt thought it would be that easy to tell the diference, but we have to consider your are more used to the grenadilla joint.
Both sound excelent by the way.
Thanks for you comment, I like them both too and I keep going back and forward. I like the fact that I can use them both for different things. They are both actually new for me.
Hmm, I found the reverse to be true. But everyone has his own taste.
Hi are interchangeable head joints only available on this model oboe? I've only ever seen ones with a top joint and bottom joint, plus bell. (I am a beginner though, so don't know much yet). Thanks. I love your channel
Thanks for your comment! Yes, only for the M2 model.
@@BeyondOboe it's an interesting concept. I'm not sure how I feel about the elongated main joint as a result of the interchangeable head, as it would be very costly to replace.
I need to sell a kidney to buy one anyway, lol
on your oboe I'd prefer the Grenadilla, as the pitches are less piercing, it sounds warmer - but you may try a Mopane *bell* as well, I use one on the Mönnig oboe. Changing the bell has different effects, which I personally prefer, a bit brighter than Grenadilla, but with more even tone quality, that I like especially for baroque music. you may generate more pathos with grenadilla, but it can be annoying after a while
The Mopane bell I varnished with shellac to produce a sharper attack (shellac makes the surface harder, which changes the start of the tone). This gave the best result. Unvarnished it had a baroque-oboe like nasal start on low notes.
I've tried bells made of Wenke and Paoa Rosa as well. Wenke was very nice as well, but too close to grenadilla, Paoa Rosa was muted, you can play very gently, but the tone has less overtones
Agree completely, think the grenadilla has more of the lower overtones leading to a richer sound.
Thank you for all this information, I asked marigaux if they made mopane bells but unfortunately not because the bell could influence a lot as well. I might have to try 3rd party makers. I would imagine exactly what you say that a mopane bell would give a sharper and clearer attacks.
@@BeyondOboe try Loree and Howarth for the different oboes/materials! Honestly Marigaux aren't my favourite oboes. I prefer Howarth
@@somebody9033 I have tried many of them, not my cup of tea, Marigaux are much ahead of the game for me personally. It's nice that we have a big choice to find what suits us.
Hi again.. Grenadilla wins in my book. and I have to say I thought the way you played the grenadilla was more musical and that you were able to sing more on the grenadilla. I hear a big diffeence in sound. But if you need to cut through I think the mopane would do it better. Lovely sound, BTW
Thanks for your comment, the grenadilla is more flexible. The mopane gives more clarity in the sound, it would be interesting to try them in different halls. I like the fact that i have variety, i find myself playing on both about the same amount.
Hi! This video is great！I'm a clarinet player. In 2023 we have 3 choices : mopane,grenadilla and boxwood. Actually boxwood is not the best choice in orchestra or wind,because of it's light and not deep? but when i use that to play Mozart, that's the sound of Mozart i think. I've not play mopane clarinet yet, maybe it's similar to the boxwood? I'm so sorry about My English is not good enough, hope u can know what I'm talking about.😊
The box wood would be very suitable for Mozart indeed, historical clarinets are made from boxwood. As for mopane it's a very dense wood, even harder then grenadilla. It has a very focused sound which I like. Recently I played in Finland with a colleague who uses mopane clarinets and he sounds great on them.
Grenadilla hands down is better. It’s surprising how feel can cloud the judgment but you knew that. Tighter and more focused. Also the introduction of other sources of woods have amplified the hardness of grenadilla and its preferred resonance. Sourcing and sustainability.
Wouldn't be venue or piece specific?
@@krane15 that too. Larger halls grenadilla. But this is a general comment.
+1 Grenadille
There was definitely a distinctive difference in the sound from each. I feel the mopane was warmest and the grenadilla was more resonant. If you're playing in a venue with a lot of reverb, you may want prefer the warmer less resonant sound of the Mopane. It may also depend on the choice of music.
BTW, I couldn't help but notice your use of titles. May I suggest you use them with all words you're defining. I assume English is not your first language, and the pronunciation of Mopane and Grenadilla don't translate very well.
I couldn't distinguish it even pronounced by native English speakers until I looked it up. A lot of times content providers tend to take that for granted because it sounds fine in their head.
Thanks for your feedback, very much appreciated.
I would agree with you on the pronunciation part, when I listened it back myself I felt similarly to what you describe. Making videos is still a learning process for me especially walking in front of the camera.
Flute player here. I can’t hear any difference. 😂
That says it all! 😁 thank you for your Feedback!