The Forgotten Gravity Falls Theories
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0:00 Intro
1:44 Tad Strange: Bill Cipher’s secret twin brother
5:39 Robbie is a zombie
7:30 Lebam: Mabel's Secret Clone
12:15 Gold-based secret society
16:38 Future Dipper wrote the journals
18:08 Gompers is Bill’s puppet
22:46 Somewhere in the Woods
23:49 Old Man McGucket Wrote The Journals
27:28 Robbie’s Secret Clone
32:37 Gideon is a demon
33:20 Five-Fingered Secret Society
34:46 Soos knows about Stan’s portal
39:01 Bill and Dipper are from space
41:52 Toby Determined is a wax figure
42:30 The Owl-Based Secret Society
43:44 Stan & McGucket have a secret connection
45:01 McGucket Will Free The Shapeshifter
47:54 Mabel will be erased from the timeline
49:55 Bill and Stan have history
54:42 Gideon IS Bill Cipher
55:44 Gideon’s Mom is Carla McCorkle
57:44 Stan. will. die.
59:34 Gideon is a vampire
1:00:36 The Bill Cipher Wheel
1:03:31 The End
Gravity Falls theorizing in the 2013 - 2015 era was insane, I still think it's hilarious to revisit those videos after knowing everything that happened in the show
I'm a big fan Vailskibum94
@@Chef_GoldIslandEpicWubbox_game same
Those videos were classic. Never forget those times
rat for dinner
Also big fan
To me the biggest twist in Gravity Falls is that Stan, the shady man who was constantly hinted to be untrustworthy, turned out to just be a good man who really loved his family, a better man than who this idealized author turned out to be.
"Trust no one" was never one of the themes of Gravity Falls, but the main idea that the show would challenge.
That last bit reminded me on to how the whole raremageddon started just because Mabel trusted Bill (disguised as Blendin), maybe the journal was foreshadowing that when it said "trust no one" (or maybe I'm crazy)
Trust no one - and nothing, not even your own assumptions.
@@Blancodraws weirdmargeddon happenned BECAUSE OF Ford's trust-no-one policy. He told Dipper to not tell anyone about the rift like, what good does that do? Bill knew about the rift regardless. I thought Ford would know that Bill is kinda all-knowing since he'd known Bill for so long.
I always thought it was odd how the Journal said to trust no one, and then Dipper immediately trusts Soos even though he just met him and seemed really suspicious (at least to me, in a "twist villain" sense). So for it to turn out that Soos was just a chill dude the whole time was odd at first, but now I realize that the random scrawling in the journal was never meant to be taken seriously, it's just a random scrawling in a journal that should be ignored.
Which is what Mabel did when she trusted Stan and wound up freeing Ford.
The very first person he hides the journal from, specifically _because_ of the "trust no one" quotation, is Grunkle Stan (not counting Mabel since he DOES trust her implicitly and shows her within about 2 seconds). If Stan had seen the journal in episode 1, none of the series would likely have happened.
the “Dipper wrote the journals from the future” theory is SO good, I wanna give it 10 flippydips even though it’s not true
I want to believe that in some alternate timeline this ended up being true because this honestly would have been a pretty cool direction for them to take as well. I'm happy with the ending as it is, but it's fun to imagine what it could have been
I saw somewhere that in episode one when Dipper flips the pages from Gnomes to Zombie, there’s a page containing writing or a drawing or something that later in the show you can actually see being written
Love that theory too as much as I love Stanford future dipper from the future would have been amazing
It’d create an interesting possible time loop when it’s revealed.
I dont think she'd be able to express herself in that way, she's way too colorful and ADHD, it would be a disorganized mess in my opinion if being realistic, but i really do love the idea of Maple being a trust worthy narrator enough for her to writte. I give it a 10000/10 just bcs it would be a great arc development for her ❤❤❤
My favorite theory that i never see anyone talking about is that Bill Cipher won. Totally and completely. Think about it, Mabels dream reality in her bubble is a perfectly fun and cool place full of her ideal versions of reality. Dippers ideal reality is if everyone survived, he got recognition from his family and friends, and he saved the day from a strange entity spoken about in the books. So Bill puts him in a bubble reality like Mabels, where he saves the world with the help of his friends and family.
That's a pretty cool idea! I'm convinced that he at least survived. Think about it, the mind wipe device was supposed to destroy Bill, at the cost of Stan's memory, right? But if Stan didn't actually lose his memory... did it really destroy Bill?
Woah
I love this theory. Bill said that bubble was his most impressive invention ever (paraphrasing). why would he only trap Mabel if Dipper is clearly the bigger threat. Why would he PUT A HUGE SHOOTING STAR ON IT if he was trying to keep her separated from Dipper (who immediately focused on the bubble saying 'Mabel has to be there'. Bill KNEW Dipper would rush into rescuing her.
Perhaps, he never left the bubble. Everything after Wendy winking at him was the bubble tricking Dipper, including popping the bubble. It would explain why Mabels anime boys existed in the 'real world'.
On top of this, one of the spin-off books reveals that Bill made a deal with a great Axolotl and would be returned to life in a new form if he invoked his name, paired with tapes of Stanley singing "We'll Meet Again" from the bill cipher statue hunt, you'd think the voice messages and clues would be of bills voice, but instead they were all stan. This information is portrayed via a poem in "Time Pirates of Treasure" and reads "Sixty degrees that come in threes Watches from within birch trees Saw his own dimension burn Misses home and can't return Says he's happy, he´s a liar Blame the arson for the fire If he wants to shirk the blame He´ll have to invoke my name One way to absolve his crime A different form, a different time" There are incredible parallels between the two and this is something called the Bootstrap Paradox. In one of the codes at the end of "Tale of Two Stans" We have their father saying that he did not plan to have twins, "Having Twins was not his plan" specifically. @@Red-Wolf-Ben
Cool idea but it's not perfect
Staging his own defeat even after he won and letting Dipper live a good life forever is completely out of character and introducing the concept of those bubbles to Dipper when he was using one on him also makes no sense
The “Robbie is a Zombie” theory is pretty interesting in retrospect because of his parents’ occupations tying him to the dead. I think that theory’s worth more flipadips than Trinity gives it credit for.
I was just gonna say this ^^ I don’t think he’s a literal rotting zombie but I feel like his suspicious funeral director parents could have raised him from the dead at some point 😗
Yeah at the very least, he wouldn't be a stinky or rotting corpse if he were undead thanks to his access to embalming fluid and stuff
His hoodie also has sewn heart, like a dead heart that were fixed. That Heart also appeared in the Bill Cipher Wheel. There also two versions of Young Robbie. A nice one and a bully one.
Wendy mentions that Robbie had been wearong that hoodie since second grade.
Theory goes that he died when he was young, when he was nice. His parents, known as funeral directors and grave watchers raised Robbie from the Dead. He then donned the hooddie.
There were also "Zombie rules" Written at the Ceiling of Thompson's Car. Maybe Robbie wrote it?
Rob Zombie
i also remember that in thompson's car someone wrote "zombies rule"
That "Turn Me Over - Now Buy Me" log souvenir is such an actual Mystery Shack joke I can't even. I need that.
Exactly
One theory I heard a lot after the show ended, was that Dipper and Wendy were standing on the wrong parts of the circle. The theory states that Dipper should of been on the ice because part of his character is him always trying to act cool, and Wendy should of been on the pine tree because she’s the daughter of a lumberjack and very outdoorsy
considering how they swap hats at the end, this theory has some merit. very little merit, but still some.
@@cthonicChemicist Yeah
I don't think this theory is true though because the circle was made to kill Bill and Bill always referred to Dipper as Pinetree
@@sage.81 when bill turns wendy into a banner her symbol is the ice
@@thegamerstg3592 Oh okay
the gideon being a vampire thing was one of my favorite theories because of his hands. in the show, adult characters like stan have 5 fingers, while child characters like dipper and mabel have 4. however, gideon had the full five fingers, which i guess supposedly symbolized a veiled age/maturity he secretly had. but it's worth noting that in the weirdmageddon trilogy, his character design switches and he has 4 four fingers ?!?!?!
Lol I never noticed that! ‘There’s too much going on!!! We don’t have time to animate that many fingers!!!’
i always think about that! i remember watching the show as it came out and looking into finger count theories but…. ford has 6 fingers on each hand…. need to look into the gideon fingers theory
Maybe it’s because he gives up on trying to be an adult and becomes “regular kid Gideon”
The hair is similar to the ancient hair hat from Dracula dead and loving it, so the theory of Gideon is a vampire does make sense.
I always wondered about the finger thing. Some characters have four, some have five and only Ford has six. It always confused me. It's probably not important, but why make fingers important then make it inconsistent between characters?
Fun fact: there was a rough early concept for the season 2 premiere that involved Dipper and Mabel meeting a Dipper from the future who told them that Mabel died. The idea didn’t get much farther than a short blurb shared between Alex and a couple writers, but it’s funny how Dipper from the future almost did actually happen.
That also ties a bit into the "Lone Pine" thing
@@turtlemine4613 what's that also you the Axolotl
@@cathyschroko8981 It's discussed in the video; the Pines twins (Dipper and Mabel) were named after the Twin Pines from Back to the Future. When the protagonist of that destroys one of the pine trees in the past, it's renamed to the Lone Pine. It's theorized that Mabel will be erased from the timeline or die at some point because of that.
That would have been the best
the amount of people who don’t realize that bill was what would’ve killed mabel hurts my brain
Honestly loving the theory that Soos knew about the portal, it freaked him out because it changed how he felt about Stan, and he got Blind Eye'd.
I like to believe since he had no mabel or dipper to help balance out his own outlandish theories that he was too spooked to properly digest it which led to the society of the blind eye to erase his memory of the situation.
I had a Mandela effect about this because I remember seeing Soos closing the vending machine behind him in the after episode clip and hearing that that wasn’t real doesn’t sit right with me now
@@mespencer9607 I SWEAR IN MY REWATCH I REMENBERED THAT SOOS AND STAN WERE IN THE SAME TEAM
@@TomoLamp How is that even possible? 😭😂
This Mandela effect thing is so weird. Like, I don't wanna believe it but there's too much evidence
@@mespencer9607 THAT ABSOLUTELY HAPPENED WTF
You know I'm surprised that there's no "Dipper and/or Mabel are in a coma and everything that's happened in show is all in their head" Theory.
i saw a theory video specifically about that i cant seem to find it anymore though
Fucking dream theory
Nature is healing
Actually, when I say that that might be a good thing because I really hate those kinds of “theories”.
@@tykamen5588me too because you can literally make that theory about any character in any show ever. And if the show is in any way unrealistic they use that as evidence that it must be a coma dream. It’s so easy and lazy a theory it makes me roll my eyes
Mable could just be ambidextrous. Fun fact, people who are naturally left handed are more likely to become ambidextrous because most of the world is right handed and therefore favors those who are right handed.
I’m left handed and prefer my right hand when using right handed tools like scissors. Different tasks lead to different hands: eating and writing are left handed, while tools are right. The only thing I’m ambidextrous about is bowling and throwing, which I swap both hands indiscriminately.
I’m naturally left handed but my grandma switched me to using my right hand now I’m right hand dominant but I played a lot of sports left handed and when I pick up new skills I have a period where I decide if left or right is easier for me
I think it would've been cool, honestly i think that maybe since Mabel was such an artistic kid, she might've tried to draw and write with both hands to perfection she just mastered it or something because she just wanted tp know if it would still look nice or smth
This might be the answer, but knowing Gravity Falls I can’t help but think there’s more to it.. even if it’s an “animation error”.
It’s actually canon that dipper is ambidextrous
When fans figure out a reveal, what most writers would do is desperately change their storylines last minute, which more often than not leads to awfully written twists. Alex Hirsch however? Decided to create a hoax, and it worked phenomenally. One of the many reasons I love this man
Creating a hoax is a 400IQ move. The people behind ARGs and horror games need to take notes.
most writers would not do this and also would not care if there story matches fan theroies
@aya ! They said 'most'
WV sucked ass...
@aya ! literally how lol
I´ll never forget the theory that said Gideon was hiding his defective clone in his wig/hair. That was a thing.
That would have been so cool and fcked up XD
Yeah I'm pretty sure that's just something Alex actually came up with for the show but didn't use
@@WolfanTerrorman, gotta love alex
I wouldn't be surprised, he might have a raccoon up there like McGucket did in his beard
And it was actually supposed to be canon.
the birth mark actually did become important. the journal 3 book has a scene where ford is explaining gravity falls weirdness magnetism to dipper, saying that the two of them were both attracted to the valley themselves because of their 6 fingers and interstellar birthmark respectively.
In the first episode, Stan asks what Dipper is reading and Dipper throws the 3rd journal away and quickly grabs a magazine and says "oh just catching up on some...Gold chains for old men?"
"That's a good issue"
The "Stan will die" foreshadowing is actually incredible because most of it, whether intended or not, tends to emphasize either stan's head, or him being on fire (or both). Which is incredible because he loses his mind in the finale, and defeats Bill with fire.
well maybe stan will die theory is about killing his own memories and stuff
I would’ve forgiven the stupid clothing swap between Stan and Ford if Stanley actually lost his mind forever after killing bill
If you have no memories are you really alive?
He got them back which would be revival
@@misusedchair DOES THIS IMPLY GRUNKLE STAN IS JESUS
Oh man. Those 2016 theories were INSANE
Anyone remember when there were theories about Wendy being a mermaid simply because her boots were always muddy and wet? I certainly remember.
what the actual fuck Lmao
I think I remember that one!
Pepridge farm remembers
I remember that theory! When I watched the video when I was little I took that theory as a fact and told everyone about it. Little me was stupid as hell
to me it would make more sense for ford to be a merman
7:55 Whoever made this theory apparently didn't know ambidextrous people exist. I'm choosing to believe that it isn't an animation error and Mabel is ambidextrous. Good for her!
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT
Im ambidextrous, and its so fitting for mabel to also be ambidextrous
Plus Dipper is also ambidextrous.
@@SuperDestroyerFox twins!!!
Has anyone checked to see if each episode she's either left or right handed or swapping around within the episode instead of at the end of episodes?
So many theories sound ridiculous in hindsight, but when you heard them as the show came out, some of them felt so real
Bill's mind thing isn't a plot hole, the metal plate in Ford's head makes it so he's just straight up immune to posession unless he shakes on it. Everyone else can just get mind jacked
i literally can't believe they forgot about that.
Yeah
Even if it wasn’t for the metal plate he still could’ve gotten by it as Bill technically speaking did shake hands with Gideon to get into Stan’s mind so either way it was a bad example lol
@@orngcreator6115but if that made sense then that means that one of Bill’s maniacs could shake his hand to get into Ford’s mind.
THANK YOU!!
“Both Gideon and Bill are defeated by having weaknesses”
..yes.. that’s how weaknesses work..
Remember, kids. If you have weaknesses, don't
i would say it's more how defeat works
@@Gloomdrake When life give You lemons, call them "oranges" and sell them for 100$
@@wyslanniknewworldorder9525 When life gives you lemons, create a sense of scarcity and sell them for $1000
No sh*t ductective
As someone that lives in Romania, i can tell if someone is a vampire or not. Gideon is obviously a vampire
How long have you lived in Romania?
@@andistansbury4366 since i was born
What's Romania like
Robbie not remembering Dipper was foreshadowing for the Blind Eye Society, wasn't it?
nah its just robbie trying to be a jerk and pretending he doenst remember dipper to be cool in front of wendy
@@thegamerstg3592both are likely but i think yours is what they were going for
@@Thelucky_ducky i think they were going for what i said when they wrote the episode but it would be neat if it WAS foreshadowing for blind eye so im fine if people think that
@@thegamerstg3592 yeah :]
On the lebam theory Mabel could literally just be ambidextrous 😭
Ambidextrous people aren’t real, they are clones
@@KeyanCarlile can confirm, i am infact a clone
Yeah, last time I checked, Dipper was canonically abidexterous
@@KeyanCarlile my brother has some explaining to do.
Could be an animation error as well
The reason soos said boring when stan was at the vending machine is because that is actually bill disguising himself as soos and since bill already knows about the portal he didn't care for it and he was looking for the code.
Really surprising when people didn't get that! So easy to understand and yet...
@@Wabbajacrane listen man i don't notice some obvious details
Yo I never thought of that but you are right the twist was that was Bill so of course he would not care since he knew it already wow I kinda feel dumb for never realizing that till now.
Yeh I'm surprised they missed that, especially as I picked it up as a literal kid.
@@ghosty8193 a lot of people dont think about it because its reasonably in character for soos to do that and we dont know when he gets switched out with bill
You missed the funniest piece of evidence for the Lebam theory - a random shot of Mabel turning around where she looks a little off for one frame. And apparently that's Lebam showing up for a second?? And then disappearing?? For some reason??
Ah yes, the “fanon” Tad Strange, also come to be known as Dot Matrix because of the theory being disproved, but the fans liked the character. Strange (no pun intended) how fandoms can create entirely new characters that aren’t even official, and people still love them.
Honestly, the whole Bill possessing Mabel's puppet thing would've been so cool since Bill ends up making "Mabel Land" in the season finale. Having him possess the puppet would show that he watches her dreams to know what she could possibly want in her dream land.
yes!!! took the idea right from my mind, I totally agree
just like coraline lol
yeah but that would supress bi''s idea of knowing everything
But when things for sure I kind of hate them For the Mandela effect because I won't watch Gravity Falls until we apologize us and erase this video or the FB. I raised my house and put me in a coma and erases my mind or at least the mandela effect
What are you talking about Who is c j Also i'm pretty much sure Disney This is summoning bill Because of the connected shows and all that
For the Lebam thing, animation is a hectic process and honestly it's possible no one just noticed it. I mean, I certainly didn't notice it or think too hard about it.
Either that or she's ambidextrous. Like seriously, I love Gravity Falls but making an entire theory about a secret clone instead of just assuming she could be ambidextrous is insane
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123
its a show about secrets and conspiracies, what do you expect?
@@ZekromAndYugiAndDrago123 tbf this is what happens all the time in this show to figure the lore out .
I have a feeling they had the Mabel file made separate so they could just copy/paste it onto each bottle, and one of the non english speaking animators just got confused ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ like maybe was trying to make it so it appeared upside down but the perspective was weird because they couldn't actually read it. I could def see myself making a mistake like that if I was animating something with Korean words
also, if you're watching it live without a TV playback device, there is NO way you would notice it without purposely looking for something like that and being able to slow down or pause the footage.
Because even watching the edited footage they made for the "fix", I didn't even notice it was fixed. And neither noticed it was wrong in the original clip. It's just a bottle jumping out of the water, it doesn't look weird at all.
The animation at 20:43 is so seamless and well done! I deeply wish this was apart of the episode now.
That edit of Mabel's mini-me puppet revealing itself to be Bill legitimately made me yell out in shock when I saw it because I have a VERY vivid false memory of that exact scenario happening. Logically I know it's not real, I have rewatched the show recently so I know for a fact that it is not real, but I can't shake this feeling that back when I was a kid watching this show for the first time I saw that clip. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has that false memory, to be honest, and now that I've seen the possibilities it makes me a bit sad that it wasn't real.
Also, the fact that you just randomly had a spirit box with you to bust out and attempt to use to engage in a chat with Bill made me very happy for some reason lol 💗
Yeah.
Mabel’s Puppet being possessed by Bill feels like a cut scene.
I remember that too I swear it was real
Just looking at the chapters I remember Tad Strange and that everyone thought he would be Bill’s brother and was actually the goat cause his eyes were weird (not knowing that the goat’s eyes were lines because that’s how goat’s eyes look) I even remember that it was common for tad to be depicted as a rectangle.
hell goats eyes aren't even orentied the same way Bill's were! His eyes are vertical, goat eyes are horiziontal!
turns out tad was actually a square
I actually remember this now! They said bill had turned his brother into the goat or something
It's funny 'cause they later introduced a character named kryptos who has some similarities with tad strange. both being squares in the shape of the freemason symbol
I partially remember people simping for Tad as much as Bill. Even then, I had seen things….
I think the Robbie zombie theory would have been funny. Imagine the thematic tie into the first episode. Dippers so convinced his sisters boyfriend is a zombie and is disproven, so imagine if his crushes boyfriend WAS a zombie and he could never notice.
I love this actually omg
honestly when i was a little bit younger i did not fully watch the show
so i thought that robbie was a zombie
I mean his parents are undertakers. Robbie looking and smelling like a normal teen could be explained by his access to embalming fluids
I was convinced of this!
This was my favorite theory even if i started watching after the show had already ended
1:02:22 I will say the circle being his weakness makes sense. The same power that can summon him can contain him with the right steps.
Important detail about Tad Strange, Cecil voices a character by the same name in Welcome to Nightvale, a podcast with similar vibes. It was like finding out Robert Englund is in a new horror movie. So the theory had more credibility if you knew his other work.
Yeah, I'm only just hearing the theory now but I listen to WTNV, so I can understand how that could seem more plausible. I've said before that WTNV is in the same sort of vein as Gravity Falls
The Lebam one is interesting because:
1) Cloning herself with the copy machine is totally something she would do to pull off hijinks
2) We actually get that "dimension Mabel" comic with Anti-Mabel. I swear he came up with that comic from this fan theory. (especially since it also has Mabel learn a lesson on being too self-absorbed, which some fans criticize her of)
Yeah I remember when they released Lost Legends and the Lebam and Waddles-is-another-version-of-Mabel theories really picked up again haha. Wild times.
Honestly think anti--mable was inspired by the lamabe
*lebam
I always thought that the shape-shifter's line about Ford not being himself for thirty years was him mistaking Stan for Ford. We never learned how long ago he escaped. He could have escaped and wandered the town and saw Stan from afar and thought he was Ford. Alternatively, Ford probably had security cameras rigged up so he could spy on the town from the bunker. Due to the older cameras and inability to zoom in on the details, the shape-shifter saw Stan, who was masquerading as Ford at the time, leading to him believe that Ford had changed demeanor entirely.
There also is just a pretty plausible possibility that Ford returned to the bunker after paranoia hit him to start stockpiling for an apocalypse, which would explain why there’s food for 30+ years saved inside. The shapeshifter would still have seen him out of his mind
Wait if the Shapeshifter was already out, then why did he return & be trapped? Seems kinda strange when the whole ep was about preventing his escape & if he left once he could have left again. Dunno, seems more plausible w/ the camera angle then the Shapeshifter just walking about when his goal _was_ escaping the bunker.
Still interesting tho.
or because he was controlled by bill
Coming back to watch this after listening to some WTNV and the implication that Cecil had no idea what fandoms could be like has me cracking up.
Same lol
My theorie is that Bill opened a portal just before his death. He teleported to another demension where he toke over a boy with a round head named Phineas. Now he has a triangle head.
That reminds me of that episode where doof and perry send bill into a rick and morty portal using a roller coaster.
I remember seeing this theory that the amount of fingers a character had represented how innocent they were. Dipper and Mabel have four, because, well, they’re children, The author has six because he’s seen a lot of things, among other characters. Now, this seems plausible until you notice that bill cipher has three fingers, and I’m pretty sure he’s the least innocent character in the show.
Another thing I've noticed is that whenever Ford is on screen, other characters tend to magically grow a fifth finger. I suspect this is basically just an animation thing.
Bill actually has four.
he’s a good boy :)
@@maxkalbach2438 this is obviously one of Fords secret powers
@@maxkalbach2438 probably irrelevant to your reply but another example is when Stan and ford switch. Stan has has 6 fingers until his gloves are taken off. Probably just an animation error too but I found it funny
I had this personal theory that Soos was a holy figure. Mainly because in one of the Mable shorts he gets a 12/10, then proceeds to call animals to him just by raising his hands, and during Weirdmageddon Soos mentions how he's been helping people during Weirdmageddon to the point where he has folk songs about him. In hindsight it doesn't make sense but hey it was fun.
Wait…Soos’ name stands for….oh my GOD
@@safabekr please enlighten me, what does soos stand for
@@actuallyIDontExist jesus /ji-soos/
12/5 ( numbers CANT be in all caps just imagine )
@@actuallyIDontExisthis full name is Jesus Ramirez, his nickname is Soos. Homeboy is literally Jesus H. Christ
I remember a theory about Grunkle Stan being a werewolf (When Mabel breaks the window in one of the episodes, the moon is shown to be full, and shortly after this Stan is seen going into the basement, almost like he's hiding from his family presumably to protect them from his werewolf transformation), but then I realized something:
Older kooky parental figure hiding the fact that they turn into a monster? That’s literally what Eda did in the Owl House!
Did the Werewolf Stan theory inspire the idea of Eda?
I felt like the gold thing was twofold. First was obviously the AM radio joke. But with Stan both prepping for the apocalypse and telling Robbie to buy gold I felt like was a legitimate warning. Stan knew what he might unleash with the portal, so he started preparing for the worst and was warning people in the most believable way possible by telling them to buy gold. Then Bill saying buy gold to me was telling us that he knew Stan was close to opening the portal
so funny thing when I was a kid I thought Pacifica was going to be the llama symbol after her redemption because I thought that llama fur was worth a lot and are known for being nice at moments but still spitting at people so I just thought it reminded me of Pacifica
👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏 👏
I love this! Also llamas have hair on their foreheads that kind of look like bangs, so I could totally see it.
I remember that a line about llamas being powerful or something along those lines was used as evidence for it being her
And now the new theory to continue the trend: King from the Owl House is the reincarnation of Bill Cipher after he'd been given one last chance to become a good person from the mythical Axolotyl
I think this theory was more popular before the fandom learned that King’s origin would get explored, but I won’t spoil that. Also I found this strange as prior to this a large part of the fandom agreed that Stanley was Bill’s reincarnation.
@@andrewmanchiraju8005 I had actually never heard of the idea that Bill was reborn as Stan, but I love that theory so much.
@@CalamitasCalliope the theory was that when Bill was given another chance too become a good person and redeem himself the axolotl god made him reincarnate as a mortal in the past and that the only way Bill could have redeemed himself for all the things he did was to defeat himself in the first place. The reincarnation in the past (or future, past because Bill died when Stanley was in his 60s but also future because Bill is way older than Stanley so old tha from the moment he was born it is the future) is because of what the axolotl said. I don't remember exactly what he said but he said something along the lines of "in another place, in another time" and the time part was one of the things everyone needed to justify this theory.
Personally, I think Bill actually became Hooty, because 1) Hooty is a Demon, 2) He can be very violent when let loose, 3) He's voiced by Alex Hirsch, who also voiced Bill, and 4) It's been stated multiple times Hooty is the Owl House(despite the fact he can leave it), and what shape is a house? A Triangle. Okay, the Owl House is more of a round triangle-ish shape, but still. Oh, also the house has a Giant eye for a front window that looks familiar
I always saw it as Bill can enter anybody’s dreams but needs to make a deal to fully take over them.
The 'Stan & McGucket have a connection' theory sort of makes sense. They're connected with the author, Stanford, and McGucket was the first to use the memory eraser and Stan was the last to use it
I can't get over how the lebam theory is actually kinda canon.
In the comic book we get a story about Mabel falling into the multiverse and landing on a planet full of alternate mabels.
She fights her evil self, it'd pretty cool.
Ah yes, dimension MAB3L.
The Future Dipper theory actually holds some ground because in the episode Dreamscapers we can see a person with the “Pines’ Cowlick” in the background reading a book during Stan’s boxing flashback. Obviously we know that was Ford but I could see people theorizing it was a time traveling Dipper
I think I remember before Ford was confirmed there was a divide between the theorists with some saying it was proof of Stan's twin and some saying it was proof of time traveling Dipper
"I didnt wanna embarrass myself in front of this lady in never gonna see again" your anxiety in this story is so relatable it hurts
I think the ‘Mandela effect’ from the end of the Sock Opera episode is because we know Bill can posses the puppets. So now the viewer becomes unsure of ALL puppets, because we know he isn’t fully defeated and could potentially be in any puppet. I also felt like the version you animated felt super familiar and close to what I remember the end of the episode being, but I think it’s just that we can see Mabel’s uncertainty and ‘fear’ over the puppet and so associate that with the potential for Bill to possess it, rather than her just being spooked by the ‘realistic puppet’ dream which is separate to Bill.
Wait I thought the whole "he hasn't been himself for 30 years" was a joke about Stan actually being Stanley for the past few decades.
oooooooh good one!
10:20 I think I can shed a little light on this, this episode was animated by rough draft studios. A South Korean company based in Seoul. They are good at animation but they give you exactly what your storyboards say, so it probably said Lebam on the story board and they just animated it unchanged.
Why didn't they animate it inhouse?
@@luongmaihunggia usually cheaper to hire another team
@@luongmaihunggia Cause then they would have to pay animators a fair wage
@@lordtickledck7012 😬
This unlocked so many memories,,, I remember 100% believing in a bunch of these
Bro they didn’t do the zombie Robbie theory justice bc there was no mention of his parents being funeral home owners
Funny thing about the whole Robbie's reflection thing, they actually remembered to mirror his acne but forgot to mirror his shirt, so there was some attempt made
Keyan Carlie, seeing you wear Leo’s Lab Rats suit with a dipper hat has cured my cancer, stopped my depression and helped me pay rent. Thank you for making this video. Haven’t finished it yet tho.
I was about to comment something akin to this, thank you.
Thought you said diaper hat at first
I literally loved this so much. The one thing that was as magical as Gravity Falls is the fanbase, 100%. I've seen so many unique cosplays, AUs, etc. And this series has inspired me to start writing my own paranormal investigating story. It's super in-progress, but I hope to make something as mysterious and inspiring as Alex. Him and the fanbase have truly lit a spark inside each and every one of us
You know when you've been following MatPat's infinite FNAF theories, your brain starts to see links EVERYWHERE and as a fellow Gravity Falls fan, hints can be ANYWHERE so I can see why some people were ready to accept almost anything as plausible. Some of those headcanons are amazing! The Mabel clone one has me wheezing. Funny how we got an evil Mabel clone in the graphic novel 👁👁
20:07 EYO dear theorists, UNITE
My favorite theory in retrospect was my personal "well, I guess all this stuff about Stan having a twin brother kind of lines up, that kid hiding his face, the broken swing, etc, but I just don't think it'll play a big part in the story going forward or have anything to do with this author mystery I'm still so invested in."
But what is the answer for :
*When I subtract your brains from your skull, add salt, and divide your family, what shall remain ?*
And then he proceeded to do both 💀
There was one other piece of evidence for Robbie's clone that you didn't mention. In "The Love God", we see a progression of Robbie where he used to be a sweet little kid before becoming the emo teenager we know now. But in "Blendin's Game", when Dipper and Mabel go back in time, we see a young Robbie and he's basically miniature present day Robbie.
That’s one I remember was a huge piece of evidence
51:54 that could be the fact that stan is sleeping, ford says "you can haunt my dreams but can't enter my mind unless i shake your hand", bill can enter other's dreams or memories but can't posess anyone without a hand shake
One thing you missed about the gompers theory, in the bill q&a someone asked about gompers and he said "I LIKE HIM BETTER THIS WAY!" To this day I don't think we have any clarification on what this is referring to, in the finale bill turns gompers giant but that's about it
Maybe he was someone who crossed Bill in the past and Bill turned him into a goat
I'm kinda surprised you didn't include the "Grunkle Stan is Bill Cypher" theory. It's one of my favorites and honestly has some things going for it.
They already mention it within the threoy video.
I don't think it's a forgotten one
well it's not been disproven so
All these theories are theories that have been disproven
My theory is...
Stan is the reincarnation of Bill because both have the same VA, and the same catchphrases, and maybe the reason why Ford has six fingers is because he’s been exposed to weird energy. I feel it fitting irony end for Bill to be destroyed by himself (Stan).
The Stan's death thing reminds me of how everyone expected Hop Pop to die in the Amphibia finale, because of a lot of foreshadowing for his death. I guess Disney really likes pulling our legs by foreshadowing the death of the old caretaker character and never actually delivering.
One of these days they’ll go through with it, and leg sweep us into the void
Hop Pop dying was possibly the most plausible of the holy trinity of Amphibia theories: Sasha losing an eye, Anne losing an arm, and Hop Pop dying. Anne’s arm and hop pops death kinda made sense, but I’m still fucking bewildered by why anyone thought that Sasha would lose an eye in this children’s cartoon.
@@intergalactic-oboist tbf I think a lot of those theories started to gain traction after they showed Marcy getting stabbed through the chest. After that the idea that Sasha could get slashed across the face and lose an eye seemed a lot more plausible
@@CalamitasCalliope the sasha one was kinda possible the Anne one was literally just nonsense because people who watched adventure time wanted another Finn I guess
@@Power11112 I mean the show WAS kinda coming for her arm. It probably wasn’t intentional but I could see how people could read into it. But there was literally nothing for the Sasha eye theory.
1:05:02 “I, Bill Cipher, regret to inform you that I have every intent to cause you copious amounts of bodily harm at my next available opportunity.” 😂
If u remember vailskibum’s old lore videos, the fake slenderman screen cap, and that bill cipher orders a pizza video u deserve a veteran’s discount
About the "Mind Plothole" thing...
The reason Bill couldn't get into Stanford's mind without a deal is because Ford had a protection. It's mentioned in Journal 3 that during his trip across the multiverse, Ford met "The Oracle", which he described as "The opposite of Bill", and that the Oracle performed a sort of surgery, putting a metal plate in his skull that would prevent Bill from entering without permission. It's even mentioned twice in the show itself: Once in "The Last Mabelcorn", where Dipper attempts to erase Ford's memory, thinking Bill was possessing him (which was actually a foreshadow to Bill being erased within Stan's mind), but he fails and Ford explains he has a metal plate, and even knocks on his skull, making a loud metal sound. And the second time is in Weirdmageddon, when Stan and Ford are trapped, and Ford says "If only i didn't have this metal plate, we could erase Bill while he's in my mind", which is why Stan and Ford had to switch places to defeat Bill
So no, there isn't actually a plothole
Edit: I also think the reason Bill left after Ford got knocked into the portal is because he knew Stan wasn't a genius like his brother, so he never actually expected Stan to be able to rebuild the portal
And Stanley was sleeping so bill could enter his dreams!
I think the actual reason Bill never tried to manipulate Stan like he did Ford is because, unlike his brother, Stan has street smarts. He's a scammer, he's charismatic, he knows how to manipulate people, meaning he would have seen RIGHT through Bill's attempts at flattery. I wanna think there was actually some mention of this in Journal 3, but i wasn't able to find it unfortunately
51:55 Bill is limited to interacting with people in the Mindscape. However, Bill can't enter Ford's mind because of a metal plate in his skull. Also, in S2E15, Ford uses a machine to scramble Dipper's thoughts to outside entities, so that Bill can't interact with him in the Mindscape. After that, Ford Bill-proofed the Shack with unicorn hair. +Bill can possess people only with bilateral agreement, which is different.
Thanks for shedding light on this!
thank you for saying this.
@@TheForgottenPortrait You didn't know this?
@@gadiesandlentlemen You didn't know this?
@@Smartness_itself No, I knew it. It just seemed like people forgot, so I was thanking you for the reminder.
23:21 GO BILL, YOUR BEATBOXXING IS INSANE!
5:26 plot twist there summoning bill cipher
I don't know if they thought through Bill's rules too much, but the way I always interpreted it was that on normal circumstances, Bill can enter someone's dreams as he pleases to dig through their minds, but a deal is required for bigger actions (i.e. possession), but since Ford had his metal plate installed, it served as protection like a buff to his mind's strength, now all Bill could do without a deal was give him some nightmares, and the rules Ford mentions are specific to him
I thought the same.
Personally I just get “villain that doesn’t need a consistent backstory or anything like that to be a good villain” vibes from him lol
that's what it is. When Stanford said Bill needed to shake hands, he was talking about him specifically, the rule doesn't apply to other people
I always thought Bill could always posses Ford due to an old deal they made. Back when Ford basicly worshiped Bill and could go into Fords body whenever he wanted to. Ford needed the metal plate to prevent this from happening.
Ok but that actually makes sense.
I thought the bill cipher puppet possession clip was just the actual clip from the show and i shit my pants when the puppet revealed itself to be cipher because still thought it was the actual episode. I really did not expect it, I'm genuinely paranoid now
Bro I've been on edge since I first saw the Mabel puppets eyes go from buttons to bills eyes....
I loved the Gravity Falls, Rick and Morty, and Better Call Saul theories/predictions that people were making as the shows were airing. The theorizing was like, half the fun
In Gravity Falls's case at least, the theorizing was like, 90% of the fun
52:00 I think Bill went into his mind because he was asleep and its been shown that Bill can go in peoples minds in there sleep.
Mabel getting erased actually was a cancelled ending for the show were future dipper goes back in time to warn them about Mabel’s death but Disney cancelled it because it was too dark for kids
So even though the theory was weird it almost happened
It was a very rough outline.
How many Mabel’s do you have?
No way dude I do y believe that
WE COULD'VE HAD THAT-
the funniest thing about the lebem theroy is that she already has a twin, to it wouldn't be her secret twin, it would be her and dippers secret triplet
42:34 maybe it was a The Owl House easter egg? Since they were supposed to be in the same universe and Eda was an Owl Lady, flew on an owl “broom” and entered into a different world (her house also had an owl guardian)
It does feel like a stretch tho, but maybe the concept of owls was already talked about back then in the studio
MABEL’S SOCK PUPPET MOVED! I REMEMBER IT! I HAD NIGHTMARES ABOUT IT!!!!!
I remember it turning around
it didn't
Takes me back to my unhinged internet days cause I’ve seen all of these all the theories, the vailskibum channel, the Reddit posts from Alex, I remember distinctly there was a website about the hand witch or something and being very confused and scared by it. There was so many theories back then and it was such a time to be alive I miss this show and I miss all of the wacky shenanigans everyone got into trying to solve this show. Truly we will never have another show quite like this
Edit: I ALSO REMEMBER there was a whole channel that was like a reference to stans fez or something lmk if you know what I’m talking about lmao
I remember that dude with Stan’s fez! I remember the channel. I don’t remember what it was called, though.
I think the channel was called “order of the holy mackerel” idk if that’s the one but I do faintly remember a reference to Stan’s fez on a channel.
@@carlosjaimez9028 that’s sounds very familiar I’m gonna go research lmao I’m so glad everyone kinda had similar experiences to mine like I thought I was in my own self contained bubble with this stuff as a kid
@@KeyanCarlile yeah I remember it not always being related to gravity falls but I also remember being kinda freaked out by it as a kid. I was like 10 or 11 and that
ah stuff always kinda scared me back then oops
@@KeyanCarlile It was called The Royal Order of the Holy Mackerel. It was a reference to the banner Stan had in the Mystery Shack. It's never mentioned in the show but I believe it was name dropped in one of the games. It could be the order that Stan belongs to since in the second episode Stan says that he had no fishing buddies since "The guys at the lodge don't like or trust" him. The guy with the channel used to do tons of cool videos and even hard merch and stuff. After the show ended he rebranded and went into other stuff but it didn't seem to gain as much traction though. I checked right now and it seems he hasn't posted anything for almost 2 years now
The thing about Mcgucket knowing about the shapeshifter & the bunker timeline can be explained. We can just assume Mcgucket and Ford made the bunker when they first started working together and abandoned it when they sealed the shapeshifter in, and Ford returned to it after Mcgucket left to gather his old research and stockpile. The shapeshifter would still see him paranoid, and Mcgucket would still know about it and the shapeshifter as stated in the Journals. It just means the bunker is older than we thought - Ford and Mcgucket could have made it as a back-up facility or a specialised facility for creatures like the shapeshifter, and it was only really used as a doomsday bunker after Mcgucket left.
To add to that, in the commentary tracks, Alex Hirsch said that they tried to make the bunker and the basement in the shack connected but just couldn't find a place to show that without making it feel forced. Now, even though this was scrapped it shows that the bunker and the basement were meant to be one and the same, which makes the fact that they were built around the same time credible
I think that’s actually the stated reason for the bunker’s existence in the journal
Yes McGucket was once tied up by the shapeshifter in the journal 3 book
yeah I don't get why he was confused about that
I immediately thought the same thing, I'm kinda amazed he glossed over that idea and just attributed it to a plot hole. Funny how he (rightfully tbh for most) dunks on people thinking too much about the show but keeps calling stuff plot holes when there's actually evidence if you just think about what they've established in the show.
Altho I admit Bill is a tricky one since he's established as powerful but sits around until the finale to enact his plans. I still think Bill makes sense, except for why he took so long to take action other than a meta explanation
52:10 ford has a metal plate in his head and that's why bill can't enter his head without a deal, he reveals it to dipper after scaring him in the lab
Vailskibum GF Theories were awesome back in the day. Looking forward to when he uploaded a new vid and debunking/looking for evidence to support his theories are memories I will cherish forever.
So upset you left out all the WTNV bits of Tad Strange!
Cecil Baldwin voiced the main character of the podcast "Welcome to Nightvale," a radio show narrating the bizarre but typical life of the town. I used to refer to it as a more intense version of Gravity Falls. The big joke was The Voice from the Seriously Weird podcast would be the only normal guy in Gravity Falls.
I love the irony. It's not just what Soos said about Tad Strange being the only normal citizen of Gravity Falls, it gets better when you think about Cecil's voicework in Welcome to Night Vale and the character (also named Cecil) he portrays. I wonder if Alex Hirsch was aware of it and chose him to voice Tad for that reason, and if the same logic applies to other VA's-- Neil DeGrasse Tyson voiced Smart Waddles.
Being in a fandom at its peak is always an unforgettable experience, with constant speculation, excitement and creativity running rampant. This nonstop exchange of headcanons is arguably the best fandom experience.
“Both Gideon and Bill are defeated by having weaknesses”
35:46 I remember in that episode that this wasn’t soos tho because I remember it was bill shapeshifted to look like him like it showed later when Mabel leaded him to the code, which would explain why soos would say “boring” instead of wanting to know more about Stan the person he likes so much, he probably said “boring.” Because it was actually bill and bill knows LOTS OF THINGS so yea maybe that’s why he didn’t care much since he already knew because it was bill, this means that this was bill with Mabel after this too so after when Mabel leaded him to the code the real soos came in and said he saw a new Stan memory or something which means that soos was probably gone for a long time getting distracted by looking at Stan’s memories and it also means that this was bill and Mabel looking for the code the whole time 🫢
Robbie being a zombie is plausible, his parents could be helping him replace body parts to keep their boy 'alive'
Okay, as much as I definitely don't think it's canon this would actually make a really cool au or fanfic or something. I'm definitely adopting this as my personal headcanon now
Would be a sorta cool way to explain the inconsistent appearance between his appearance in the photos in Love God and his appearance in Blendin's Game
Alex Hirsch is such a genius that he built the DeLorean and traveled back in time to make Back to the Future just so he could foreshadow Mabel being erased from the timeline.
Or Alex Hirsch borrowed some things from Back to the future when designing Dipper? The last name "Pines" could have been an homage. There is also the connection of time travel what consequences and changing the future.
@@Peregrina no shit, Oliver.
59:50 I genuinely thought that Gideon was as old as Grunkle Stan and I never really processed that they literally said that he was a child. What concerns me is that I didn’t even think that it was odd that he was dating Mable. I STILL didn’t put two and two together!!!
I think the reason Bill needed to do the whole handshake thing was because of the metal plate that Ford had in his head.
Another part of the Tad Strange thing was that Cecil Baldwin in the voice of Cecil Palmer in Welcome To Night Vale, a podcast in the form of a broadcast from a radio host who lives in and talks about the strange happenings in the fictional desert town of Night Vale. WTNV also heavily uses a purple color scene in its official art hence why the Tad Strange (as another demon) fan art gave him the purple color. Also, another WTNV reference in regards to the dialogue spoken by Tad Strange where he mentions liking bread could be a reference to the Night Vale episode called "Wheat and Wheat By-Products".
we do not speak of wheat and wheat by-products here...the secret police watches too much...
Funnily enough, in my language‘s dub, the title of Gravity Falls is localised as Welcome to Gravity Falls, and I think it’s not the only one.
I was about to come comment this, the utter disappointed yet hilarious feeling I got is one I can’t explain
ALL HAIL THE GLOW CLOUD
I think the whole thing with Tad liking bread is much more likely just another gag about Tad liking the most bland, basic food possible.
When I was watching this show as a kid, I thought that Bill Cipher was the author and had turned himself into that form using one of his inventions.
I had no evidence for it, but I was 13 and had no idea what I was thinking.
20:47
Wait, what? I literally watched gravity falls 2 months ago again and I literally remember it happening. I watched the episode it just now and it did not happen wtf?! Am I going crazy?
I watched it like 3 weeks ago and I remember it happening.
I always thought the "You can't enter my mind unless I shake your hand and let you in" was a hold over from Ford's original deal with Bill. It's not a standard rule, just one for his contract with Ford before the metal plate was installed.
13:54 "The Order of the Holy Mackerel" is mentioned in the journal tie-in book as the origin of Stan's fez. So Stan might not be a member of a secret society, but his DAD might be? Ooh!
14:43 Also love how one of them is literally Dipper *in a dream sequence where he dressed himself as Indiana Jones and awarded himself a gold medal.*
The *Royal* Order of the Holy Mackerel
TVTropes had a lot of great dumb ones (one of which was my own in fact). Probably my favorite, which I unfortunately only saw after it was disproven, was that Bill's name was Bewarb and that the mosquitoes were trying to warn Dipper about him.
Ah, I love the Wild Mass Guessing pages on that site!
One reason why fanon Tad Strange was so popular was likely that Cecil Baldwin narrates Welcome to Night Vale, a comedy horror fiction podcast that *also* happens to be about a small town in the middle of nowhere where weird supernatural things happen. I'm guessing that's also why Tad was purple, because the logo for WTNV is purple, and it also happens to be complementary to Bill's yellow.
35:21
In that clip of the words being told there is some capital letters and when we put them all together it does say
MY NAME IS BILL
It is a good one lol