If bullying like those in The Glory or other Kdramas or worse happen that should be a punishable criminal offence no matter who or which country you're in
@Thethingcalled Lisa as far as I know it IS inspired by a real event. There was a lady who went on ""hello counselor " (TV programme in SK) SHE has the life of the victim in The Glory. I heard she eventually did kill herself in real life after being on the TV programme . Bullying in SK is often worse than what was portrayed in The Glory
@@fahmidatanjim4094 She didn't even get the satisfaction of a happy ending where the bullies got what they deserved like in the show the real girl just had to live with the trauma and the bullies went on with their lives (this is what I heard)
I think they need to fix it. Kids are committing suicide because of it and people need to be held accountable. Not just the bullies but the school teachers and administrators that know it's going on and let it happen.
Kids commit suicide bc of bullying in the US too. (& in the U.S many of them go in & shoot half the school with the gubs theur parents gave them for their birthday!)🙏💜🇬🇧💜
@nelchira8713 "Ignorant" & "stupid" is giving young kids of 18 guns before they are even allowed to drink alcohol💡💜 Teenagers have RAGING Hormones & often struggle a bit with everything, GUNS are NOT for teenagers. (& NO civilian needs Assault Rifles altogether! There IS NO Frontier now & yet still kids keep losing their lives to some nightmare with a gun! It's madness. That's my point; & understand this much, I speak 4 languages, play 3 musical instruments, I have a PhD AND a bunch of other lovely qualifications; I've never been ignorant thanks much (& unfortunately I know more than I wish I did about the bad things that happen over there, espc at school - & anybody with eyes knows all of that needs sorting out asap - yr insulting English ppl who mention it💡💜won't stop that being true! Peace🙏🇬🇧🌏💜
As someone who used to be bullied just as violently as many of the K-dramas we enjoy depict I would say that bullying must be further investigated before terminating an idol or actors contract but, if proven guilty these people must 100% be held accountable for their actions and fired from their jobs.
Based on what I saw and read, it's used falsely to much to try to get rid of idols. It's effed up that it's so bad that idols or actors accus d could lose their jobs but the bullies doing it don't get any sort of punishment
IKR!! I always think that whenever such scandals come up like why jst based on a single allegation please get the evidences or at least a lot more witnesses or something cuz u nvr know this is like hell serious nd that's exactly why I believe thry should nvr be let go off easy or unpunished in the schl time itself cuz once everyone grows up there is no concrete evidence of who's right or wrong.
For those wondering why bullies are not punished or arrested, South Korea is an incredibly hierarchical country. People are very deferential to wealth and power. Many bullies come from families with both. Thus school officials and even cops will ignore major violence if the family is considered important. Also, many schools don’t deal with bullying because acknowledging the bully would reflect poorly on the school’s brand.
It's incredible how a bully in Korea can be a legitimate criminal or murder in a school but the government and school authorities don't do anything useful about it 😢
@@cutienerdgirl even if they exist, schools might have them. Schools care about their prestige. And government has to care about the entire country. It might sound harsh but governments of the world wouldn't give a damn about affairs of school. So they won't go deep into school's affairs. As a result, school can tamper with the evidences.
Honestly I used to have the belief that it's bullying, people can grow and it's a past mistake. But that was before i found out how severe bullying is in Korea, if someone has physically harmed another person and committed so many acts of violence i think it's completely fair that they lose their jobs over that. Because after a certain extent you can't undo the damage. I've had minor bullying issues like name calling, and have had things stolen from me and that has left an impact on me so when that amount of bullying is enough to cause harm, considering how severe it is in Korea it definitely makes sense that it is such a huge controversy. I don't believe such violent people deserve the right to go on about their lives after they actively ruined/ took part in ruining someone's life. The superiority complex issue is so high in Korea.
@@JackSordakaPVS In the United States, a school (or any organization) not cooperating with law enforcement might be considered obstruction of justice in an investigation, and purposefully hiding evidence of anything bad having happened in order to keep your name clean would DEFINITELY be obstruction, as well. I know this isn’t America, but there is no excuse to not look into crime. It doesn’t matter where it happens-it happened. “Someone got murdered at school by a student? Oh, well.” No. That is what the local police are for. I wouldn’t expect the government to care about every single individual case at a school. BUT, because there is clearly an overall bullying issue happening all throughout South Korea, then they need to be responsible and put some type of safeguards or punishments in place. (I didn’t mean any of this as hate, by the way.)
the point is so that theres no other victims. i may sound insensitive, but if we dont, they never learn and then some other poor kid will be the victim. the cycle never stops...
@@kimtaehyungoo I am saying punish them on time. Like say someone bullied someone in school ryt? After 10yrs you punish the bully what's the point? The victim has suffered and you can't turn back the time. The point is the schools should be more careful to punish the bullies right in school itself.
I grew up in Korea as I'm a Korean, it is true tht wht u see in the kdramas r 100% real. I was bullied in middle schl but after a while I became very silent so no one rlly cared except my guy bestfriends ✨
I went to school in the US and my “bullying” was much more similar to the term “school violence”. I was singled out and then my bullies got my entire grade to ostracize me. I was hurt physically while they played mind games with me. And the people tormenting me were favored by the staff, and one of their parents was a close friend of the principal. When I tried to get help they told me I was being dramatic and that teasing is normal and “builds character”. I was already very soft spoken and non confrontational because I had to deal with abuse at home. I think that’s what made me a target in the first place-I looked vulnerable, I didn’t have many friends, and they knew nobody would care even if I came forward. We should start using the term “school violence” in the US, because when I tell people I was bullied they think it was mild teasing. People don’t understand how much it impacts my life years later.
I relate a lot to your experience. While I was not experiencing abuse at home, I had some undiagnosed mental problems which I think made people ostracize and exclude me because I acted “differently” than the rest of my peers. I hope you are healing and doing better now.
Yeah, I have a friend who is blind in one eye because her bullies cornered her in the school bathroom and rubbed hand sanitizer into her eyes. Horrible violence ,(in bullying) absolutely does happen in America too, just not as often
@@bjrock1235 No clue. Figured it wasn't my business to pry. I imagine not, though, since she later got in huge trouble for trying to journal out her frustration (which had been recommended to her by the school counselor) when her bullies stole her journal and reported her for having "plans to kill them" written. It was revenge fantasies she had no intention of acting on that she had written down as a therapeutic exercise, but that didn't stop her from being hospitalized against her will for it. My understanding is that it was a shitty school.
honestly, bullyiing is bullying. whether it is the severe type or light. both are not okay. So we shouldn't downplay name-calling and stealing money etc.
I would argue that bullying is actually the same internationally, but there is a push to downplay peer abuse (something that might hold the same weight in English as "school violence" does in Korean) that it's overlooked. I'd also argue that small things like name calling and stealing items are entry level forms of abuse. A way of testing the waters for kids to see what more they can get away with.
i never got bullied in india even those who gets bullied does not take it serious and even if the bullied one cries or something everyone come to console him as its prank everyone had a nickname and nobody was looked down upon.truly i born in a happy country despite being poor
Bullying, no matter how serious or small, is something that should immediately be stopped and reported against. Words and actions, both can hurt and if idiots go around projecting their insecurities on other innocents then that's where the action needs to be taken.
More often than not, bullies grow up to be sadistic adults whether we admit it or not. If someone had a past of bullying they should be investigated for current acts of corruption, violent abuse, extortion, extremism etc then compelled to complete rehabilitation and therapy followed by an evaluation to see if they've changed. Companies should also be allowed to drop people for bullying if they want.
That doesn't make much sense , it would be better if the schools punished while they're still a student bcuz... What the point if they are already graduated and everything and then the fbi show up at the door like how does that in any way help???
Plus, how would the people who have moved on from the past cope with the investigation? They'll most likely think that the world does not forgive them for their past. This is like mistreating prisoners. They most likely have moved on from their criminal life, but if they are still discriminated and cannot integrate into society, they'll continue to commit crimes, thinking that "since the world does not accept me when I try to change for the world, I'd better do whatever I want, and do what I'm good at - committing crimes". Now I'm not saying that all bullying cases reach criminal level, but I'm just giving a possible mindset of ex-bullies who are still being treated as despicable bullies even after "reforming" Oh and I agree with the previous commenter, it's better to stem the problem from the STEM rather than cut off the branches and expect the problem to stop growing
@@starryroseblkpnk most of thr time it's not possible for the school authorities to punish the cuz they have rich and influential parents they should be punished by whatever authority at whatever phase of their life so they can teach their own kids not to commit the same horrible acts
I am Indian and I've never been bullied. No!! It's not normal to be bullied. Everyone deserves to have peaceful and memorable school life. And i think anybody who is associated with committing such heinous things to their fellow classmates deserves to be punished, either expelled from schools or fired from jobs. It is totally justified
Yes that's what I thought in South Asia we don't face such kind of violent acts,,,, maybe friends calling ugly or some power misuses but this is straight up crime!!
@@frukaa5640 I don't know where you are from but honestly I'm a girl from middle class family and my bully's dad was a well settled engineer in the town. I tried complaining about her but nobody cared because they thought I was lying because they believed that she came from a good family and why would she bully others. Sadly I never got the closure but my family's love and support didn't let me give up. And I feel like india has the highest number of bullies, we get bullied by aunties too.
I was bullied when I was in highschool to the point that I was hospitalized for 3 weeks. I'm 36 years old now and the series The Glory made me realize that I need help, the past really took a toll on me. It defines every waking moment I have in the last 2 decades, no matter how hard I tried to forget it. I recently seeking help to a psychologist specialist in trauma. It's just unfair that those 13 people who bullied me can live their lives unbothered while mine destroyed.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. While I was not physically harmed and the time since my bullying ended was not as long ago as yours, I understand when you say that it is affecting every aspect of your life, and that those people get to live their lives like nothing happened while you are busy picking up the pieces of your own. I wish you well in your journey through healing. It may be hard at times, but know that you DESERVE to be happy, and at peace within your life.
but it is ussually not as severe. Its usually not like beating up with bats and things, ofc there is physical pain sometimes, but i think in korea its a different level
My friend was bullied by her 2nd grade teacher, this was mid 60s. Teacher picked on her because she was chubby. She wasn't obese for her age but was chubby, not that it matters how much overweight she was. A teacher should be there to educate, edify, encourage not bully and it caused lasting psychological effects.
@@Surftouka the teacher you're talking about might be a victim of such trauma herself. She's spreading her trauma. Yes, such shitty people exist everywhere!
@@Surftouka yes but if that teacher hurt them physically they'd lose their credentials and it was only one year. In cases like that you can often just change classes by telling the principal or dean and the teacher might have their license suspended or they'll have to go to training seminars. There are consequences that don't occur in Korea.
Idk, but most of Korean CZcamsrs I know sometime talk about bad things that happened on their country 😅 they didn't try to hiding it. Well, we can't deny that every good things have a bad things, right? (Sorry 4 my bad English)
It's not just bad words and being mean in the US either. Though it's not as common, the bullying in Kdramas is gentler than the lives some of us lived. Stopping the offenders is something that needs to start at home, and strengthening the victims is the same. Honestly, bullying will never end. It's too easy to do.
i think they deserve to lose their job. no way they can violently disrespect classmates and get away totally scot-free. we see bullying victims take their own lives and it tears families apart. bullies don’t deserve to simply get on with their lives. it’s not the slightest bit fair! and of course preventing anymore bullying at their respective workplaces. better to be done sooner rather than later. i detest bullies.
I completely agree, especially when we’re talking about public figures who are supposed to set an example in our society. Despite this, I think there are a couple of problems with bullying accusations in the entertainment industry. 1. There’s often no proof whether allegations are true or not. We’ve seen cases where the accusations turned out to be fabricated (Jimin of AOA, Soojin from I-dle) and people have lost their livelihoods. It also means that fans jump to defend actors/idols who are actually guilty and will refuse to acknowledge that they were in the wrong 2. People on the internet react by harassing the accused with hateful messages, death threats, stalking etc. Regardless of whether the accusations are true or false, this reaction is in itself bullying and it perpetuates the culture that everyone says that they’re trying to stop
By the time they are adults they have changed or maybe changed. I think its best to see if they are the same as their childhood self. Jail is meant to teach not punish
@@kiwiipeachii8980 they changed sure but they also changed the life of the person they bullied forever and the victim has to live with this trauma for the rest of their life.. so idc how much you "changed" your life shall be changed for the worst too. don't dish what you can't handle yourself.
@@kathaai I'm sure there are ways that the former bully can handle this. What im saying is that its unfair to judge someone based on what they did 10 years ago. When its like you are a different person. its really hard to admit you're wrong which is why i admire people like that
I actually had someone telling me this just a few days ago. He completely dismissed the severity of this saying we all have the wrong impression because of kdramas & such exaggerating things. To which I replied by citing the stats of how many incidents of school violence were reported the last couple of years… 20k ~ 30k a year before 2020 ~9k in 2020 (due to Covid) ~15k in 2021 ~10k just the first semester of 2022 He went radio silent after this. Now imagine that the incidents that are reported are just a fraction of those occurring…
@@shinyagami8843 at least you shut him up!👍 Also, even if kdramas exaggerated it, that doesn't make it any better. Even if it wasn't as severe, people are getting bullied and it affects their mental health, likely scarring them for the rest of their life. I don't get people who don't take these things seriously just because they didn't have to go through it
@@yoghurt_is_a_fruit I think those saying it happens everywhere are mostly self centered Americans who think of a more mellow version of bullying that’s casually happening in American schools. Anyone who knows about Miryang knows dramas aren’t exaggerating a bit…
@@shinyagami8843 where I am from, bullying isn't usually physical and (at least from my experience) would also be considered 'not severe' because it comes in ways that make it hard to actually say that you are getting bullied. [You can skip this paragraph if you want] Either it's people acting like they are your friend while actually hurting you (saying things that are hurtful but acting like they want to help you, making you feel bad for wanting to end the friendship or calling them out on it, basically just manipulation), or things that could easily be taken as a joke, if only done once, but if they happen again and again after you cleary show you don't like it, make you feel so hopeless and pathetic for even getting offended (again, not severe enough to complain to anyone but enough to mess with someone). I'm very bad at explaining but i've had people make fun of my hobbies and throw my bag around the classroom, i still don't know if I can say I was bullied, but it certainly made me feel worse about everything i was, and ashamed to even admit it when I liked something. All this, I'm pretty sure, is nothing compared to what happens in korea. But that doesn't mean i won't take it seriously and if you take one minute to inform yourself (just have to watch a video like this one) then you know just how bad it is. One thing I don't understand is why american people would think that way when they literally have people doing school shootings after getting bullied (yes, they are usually mentally unstable, but i do think there usually is something that makes them hate school, in particular, so much. Doesn't mean what they do is the right thing, of course.) Sorry if anything i said was incorrect, i'm currently sick so my thoughts feel a bit...foggy? (Also, if you didn't notice, english isn't my first language)
@@yoghurt_is_a_fruit I wasn’t trying to downplay the severity of the bullying you’re describing & have experienced or something. Psychological abuse is just as bad. I was just saying that because the only form of bullying that Americans are familiar with is that of a “lighter” physical & more of a psychological “torture”, they tend to have disbelief at something so brutal as what is depicted in Korean dramas actually happening. And yes it only takes a minute to “do your research”, as they often suggest, and find out whether it’s exaggerated or not… Also, not my place to judge, I’m not a native speaker either 😂
It is a big deal in Texas. Our daughter was bullied in 3rd grade. Three boy's during our daughter's lunch and said to her "I want to string you up and skoot you". She came home crying, I called her school the next morning. The principal called our daughter first. Then she called the 3 boys because they all lied to the Asst Principal the day before. It took my calling and requesting these boys could not be in our daughter's classrooms. I was bullied my self and 3rd to 6th grade. I was chaced knocked down and then picked on because I played with a girl not white. It doesn't matter, we all bleed red so we are not that much different. I have always tried not to see the color of someone's skin or how they look, speak. I know this was long but I thought it would be different for our daughter but I was so wrong 😢❤
I almost got into the k drama bullying situation. A girl used to beat me with a stick a lot just cuz I took more time in learning her dance choreo. She did the same thing to pretty much everyone in class. Thankfully my only friend( she got bullied to and she stood up to her) noticed and convinced me to stand up to her. A few years later I heard of her issues with her parents who were really hard on her. She thought what she did to me was normal. What happened to me was definitely not as horrible as what a lot of people are experiencing but even this level can scare a person. It took me years to recover and trust people adain ( I approached her first thinking she was lonely. I thought of her as a friend). Even after learning her side of the story and seeing her become a better person I still am too scared of trusting her again. Sorry about this long comment ..
Another thing international fans forget is that with bullying in places like America, the bully's background and or homelife tend to be bad and they look for an ounce of power at school. But in korea, a lot of bullies already know they have a power over their victims and the school because their parents may be rich in some way and giving money to help fund the school (and also give special treatment to their kid). Situations like this cause "bullying" in korea to be more of a classism and political problem which is taken a lot more seriously than saying hateful remarks to someone in places like America Edit: I don't want people to think that I am minimizing anyone's experience and I'm not saying that coming from a bad homelife is an excuse nor is it in every instance in America however please refrain from using anecdotal evidence when the statistics are out there. Most bullies in America are neglected or abused in some way at home while bullies in korea tend to come from families that give money to the school which ADDS a political element to the issue. Sorry if anyone misunderstood my words
In my country bullying is serious for example, im from Latin America and I heard once that they put a kids face in the toilet and he passed out and they did that just bc they thought he was gay, it’s awful
@Sagarika Mohapatra no one said that. A bad home life is an explanation, not an excuse. More importantly, knowing the causes helps us be able to solve the root of the problem and hopefully get the bully kid on the path to redemption.
Bullying is so so common in Japan and Korea. People are forced to be "normal" and they most likely will ignore the victims. Hell goes back and forth every day for those victims but the bullies don't even get punishment. In one case one of the bullies of a girl became a nurse who gives "donations" and when she met with the one she bullied, she didn't act like she was sorry at all.
i was bullied as a kid in school so badly i had to move schools. i mean no one burned cigarettes into my arms but i was assaulted in a more mild manner plus they attempted to gaslight me but i stood my ground with the school officials and my mom backed me up. mind you this was 4th grade. it forever altered how i open up to people and make friendships when i was already shy. it’s not something some people can ‘get over’ i don’t wish any kind of bullying on anyone and definitely not violence. all school system need to change to protect the victims and actually give true punishment to bullies. not mild sentences or slaps on the wrist especially since i know it’s glossed over with minors
I went through something very similar as a child, and thinking about my childhood before then feels like a different lifetime because I was so much happier and extroverted then. I’m so sorry that happened to you, but I’ve noticed that even though I hated what I went through, I do not regret that it happened because it has ultimately changed me for the better and made me wiser and much more empathetic (however, I am not saying that you should feel like this, too. This is just how I’ve chosen to look at my own experience). I hope you are healing now. 💜
I went through bullying in junior high and I still feel hurtful by it snd that was over 50 years ago. It's really harmful and school officials and parents should make sure there are repercussions for it.
I went to school in Korea. There was a snowstorm. Some bullies stole a girl's coat. She was poor so she wasn't dressed that warm as is. She had to walk home in a knit sweater. This is actually considered mild but i always regretted that I never helped her.
The majority of international kpop fans comments I've read were mostly against bullying. Bullying is an issue in the US too so its not like we're foreign to it. It's even alleged that many school tragedies were the result of bullying. So we know it's not something that should be swept under the rug.
Bullying is more than teasing. Everyone gets some teasing in highschool; not everyone gets their hair cut or drowned in the toilets or belongings stolen or beaten up daily.
Thank you for saying this. As someone whose been badly bullied throughout school and have had several people, some people who were my friends, take their lives because the bullying was so brutal, I was offended when she said bullying in the US was about 'taking lunch money' and 'name calling'.
@@7swftwI don't think her intention was to minimize bullying in other countries, but to highlight that not all forms of it are the same, and that it's a systemic issue in Korea given the class and social dynamics in a way that's different from most other countries.
if it wasn't for Kdramas, i would never have known that bullying in some places actually happens to such extremes. I'm lucky to have never been bullied or see any bullying occur while i was still in school but my heart aches for those victims who don't get the justice they deserve. If the same act committed by an adult is a punishable offence, then a school going child should be tried the same. letting them off easy is just mere encouragement in my opinion
Bullying is a world wide phenomenon its so horribly sad that no matter what setting or walk of life your in putting a group of children together will almost always end in at least one of them getting singled out We need to do better as a society kids act like this because they see it in the adult world please if you have kids teach them to be kind and caring as somebody who has both bullied and been bullied in my past its a vicious cycle that nobody is safe from and absolutely no child deserves that
I've always been so ignorant to bullying. The worst I saw was light teasing from students but the second someone looked like they weren't ok with it, they'd immediately apologize. I think the worst treatment came from the teachers who had a savior complex but actually looked down at us (most of us were immigrants from farm working families) but we always grouped together to fight against those teachers and they usually never got rehired. Now that I'm a mom and in the military I worry for my child as we have moved around the world and a lot of places aren't very nice and no place has been as coddled and protected as where I grew up.
As someone who used to be bullied, I hope that you have taught your child/children to stand up for themselves. It's absolutely crucial because you sometimes can't change your child/children's environment, but you can change how they react to it
@@mehlanie13 I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope you have managed to move forward with a more peaceful and happy life. We have definitely strived to teach her that not all kids are raised in a loving home like she has, so she understands that the victims are not at fault but the perp who is taking their own anger out. She has surprised me with how well she deals with people not being nice to her, she has shown understanding and a willingness to teach them better ways to cope. Of course this will be harder as they age bc younger children are easier to teach, but she does take multiple self defense classes and has shown a very social and outgoing personality that doesn't reach anger easily. I can only hope she continues this way.
Bulling in the US commonly takes the form of SA amongst men and is often called "corn dogging" among women it takes the form of rumors and is generally milder, but is always designed to make you feel uncomfortable in your skin.
The thing is, no matter how severe the bullying is, it can still hurt the victim. I've had to deal with a good amount myself and I have several friends who also had to deal with the same kind or worse than me. One of my very best friends was physically abused by other classmates because he was on the bigger side (he'd often result to violence against these same people, but it's gotten better with the years). Definitely didn't help when people called us bf/gf for hanging out together and it would also make him furious so I'd often have to stop him. There was also another guy who I became friends with and had a childhood crush on who had other people dunk his head in a toilet because they didn't like him or wanted to make his life miserable - so when he changed schools and I had a crush on him (I put a note in his backpack and he happened to open it around some of these other guys, so in fear of being bullied, he decided to call me horrible things to earn some "favour", but he apologized later on and all was well eventually) and I.. well, mine was rarely physical. I was usually just shunned, chosen last, had barely any friends and many people went out of their way to be mean to me, steal my clothes, accuse me of doing horrible things to them - some even publicly bullied me in front of several people, literally smiling when they got on my nerves - some of those regret what they did and I know that they do while others I know don't - and in later years when I've visited my hometown, I've seen some of my former bullies.. and truthfully, karma has done it's thing, although truthfully, I couldn't care less. These people hurt me for several years, to the point I'm struggling with depression, anxiety and who knows what else, and I do blame them for parts of it, but blaming them won't make me better. Currently, I'm in therapy which is starting to help.. that doesn't mean I have to forgive them or forget, more that I have to accept that it happened and get past it, although I do forgive some of them. I have to be honest, I don't bullying in SK is the worst - or that it's much worse than anywhere else. I'd say it's just as bad anywhere, and saying that one place is worse than another, especially when it comes to big scales like countries, is just a pointless debate. I do not agree with how these supposed bully victims go about it, either. While I do understand it's difficult to defend yourself in the moment/those school years and try to get justice for what happened - outing a person as a bully years later when they're an adult and have most likely changed from their childish behaviour (not always the case), is nothing more than revenge - and that rarely helps people.
Damn, and insults and being called names growing up already affected me mentally. Imagine receiving actual harm and death threats from your peers and the school not doing anything about it 🥶
Yeah, I’ve read so many horror stories about the bullying in South Korea. It’s a whole other ball game from the US. (The US is still horrible with it and I’m one who dealt with a lot of it growing up, even into university, but it’s comparing apples to oranges in how these bullies do it. 😢)
Yeah the us is equally horrible, just different. Kids are stabbed by bullies in the US, jumped and beaten close to death by multiple bigger kids at once, or even threatened with guns at school or leaving school. Kids are also filmed being beaten and the videos are shared around the school leading to shame and suicide attempts.
It's sad but tbh I think a lot of people just think the Korean stories are "worse" because they bullying methods are often more discreet or just different and people have become desensitized to the stories I mentioned about children being kicked and punched to death or near death, or being mentally tortured to the point of suicide.
"The fact that _violence_ is directly used to describe bullying, you kinda already know how serious it is." *Flashback of "40 Days in Hell" intensifies*
Hi! Born and Raised in Germany 🇩🇪: I was always gay okay and very flamboyant, expressive, not really all that feminine. I had boys throw Bins at me, empty them over my head and had chewing gum stuck on my hair as a result of that. I always fought my bullies back whether I was 1v1 or against multiples and they soon found out „Okay we can’t bully him. We‘ll stop“ Whatever anyone tells you, FIGHT BACK! don’t ever throw the first punch, but make sure you punch last. Now we‘re actually cool when we pass each other so I don’t wanna hear any sensitive people call anything out. Nobody stops bullying you when you ask nicely or „tell a teacherrr“ as helpful as it may sound. no. STAND your ground! I‘m 23 now and very good at handling life situations.
I despise people who don't look at bullying seriously. I was about to take my own life like many people who went through this traumatic experience and many people don't realize how people suffer from this and don't do anything to change it
Its sad that korea has such light sentences for minors especially when they do these crimes. It doesn't matter that they are just kids. If they can do these heinous things as kids what more could they do when they get older?
I live in America and a school some of my friends go to is a lot like what your explaining, no kidding, this school has an ambulance come in and pick up a kid at least once a day. One kid I know said it's really rare to have a day go by without ambulance sirens going off somewhere. He says it's scary to go to school, and that you should keep your head down and get through the day without offending someone or the next day you could end up in the hospital.
"people can change when they grow up they're not going to be a bully their whole life" yeah 💀 but they should still get punishment for their behaviours and not be excused because their process of "growing up" did affect the victim mentally permanently and not getting justice when you were bullied so brutally effects the trust they'll have in authorities/people in general in the future THEY ARE FOREVER SCARRED FOR LIFE! The abuser can grow up and change but the victim suffers mentally forever it's just not fair.
You realize you’re punishing far more than just one person when it’s an adult right? Like you’re punishing a family. A provider. Not a child. It’s not right to stigmatize people for choices they made when their brains weren’t even fully developed.
@@Spooky_Platypus A minor who does anything bad like bullying should be reprimanded and taught not to act like that. Just because their brains aren’t fully developed isn’t excuse for poor and disrespectful behavior. If that were the case, then that logic would technically apply to almost everyone around the age of 30, when the brain is considered to be at peak maturity (please correct me if I’m wrong). Also, just for perspective, the victim(s) and their family(ies) are also affected, regardless if the bully gets punished or not.
That's messed up! I can't even imagine how much trauma they get through, I was cyber bullied but this type of bullying or violence broo I'll be traumatized for life and I won't forgive them bruh 😔
I hate bullies! When i was young i was bullied, but as i grew up i worked out and now i give bullies what they deserve!!! You are beautiful and i would protect you!!!❤
I think you have no idea about bullying in America. It is usually far more psychological than physical but there is plenty of physical violence that occurs as well.
Yeah I called her out on her saying bullying in america is just "name calling and stealing lunch money", and I shared my own experience being bullied as well as other ppl I know because bullying in America is just as brutal, and she deleted all my comments. She's a very ignorant and arrogant person.
Sometimes people have beef. It can go to far. And I am sure it is addressed that it is wrong to do but also teaching people the correct way to handle it is important. Next, no, you shouldn't lose your job because you were a bully. If there are current HR issues at work then maybe, but not for your past. Speaking as someone that was bullied and bullied. You get over it and grow into a different person. I am friends with some of the people that bullied me and some I bullied. But that's boys, we get over stuff if we are allowed to fight it out.
The sad thing is, the bullying is not only being done in the school yards by students. Antis include youth and adults.I believe the intensity of harassment, degradation and hatred aimed towards others are pre meditated. Consequently, the perpetrators should be held to account. The sad thing is, if the bullying in K-drama represents the truth then those with a high status and/or lots of money will be free to continue.
can you pls talk about Black6ix/Peaktime's 24시 former member KIM HYUNJAE. He got falsely accused of school bullying and got removed from the show. After falling into depression cuz of it he found the bravery to now sue the accuser. can you pls share his story with your audience. so that he receives the support and his damaged reputation can be fixed again? thank you
My issue with it is that a lot of the time, it’s just allegations, and half the time they aren’t even true. Which makes it much much worse, because they lose their job, their reputation, and because they were famous, and anybody could look up that scandal, they might not even be able to keep a job. Because somebody decided they wanted to ruin their life so they lied on the internet. I do think people who were actually violent should get consequences more like counseling, reckoning from their victims, and in some cases, jail time. I’m not a big fan of it, but some people just need to be away from other people.
I think the fact the people can falsely accuse others of bullying and ruin their life is way too much. Hyunjin (skz), and Soojin come to mind. innocent people who were hurt by others, and falsely accused of bullying. yet they were the ones bullied.
It's truly not fair for the innocent, true, but those accusations will be coming at anyone, honestly. It's just that people are petty and can't see someone they don't like succeed in life. What I find totally ridiculous is that companies make their idols apologise no matter what. An idol should apologise (and in some cases be kicked out of the group) only after proven guilty. How is anyone supposed to know if the accusation was true if they're all apologising? Not that any of those apologies are sincere, but they at least would be treated as admitting guilt if nothing else
@@SaraRankins. bro, he literally apologised to the victims, whats there to apologise about if he didnt bully anyone? none of the claims against him were ever proven false (the person who wrote the post could have their life ruined if they spread false info about a celebrity like that), literally just do actual research on the situation and read what the victims wrote against him.. he may have not been a "bully" but he wasn't innocent either.
Bullying someone is disgusting and dangerous regardless of where you live. Causing harm to another individual physically, emotionally, or psychologically is never ok and should never be condoned.
I completed high school this year, and I have never been bullied but whenever I see kdramas about bullying I never take it like it's not that big of a deal, infact it's a really big deal tho. We all should protect each other and if someone in ur class is getting please protect them.
@@brightlightning5089 actually, it is because in South Korea in other countries mostly they’re not western style they beat you with the bat or take your money or make fun of you or beat you up and do more and your parents make you apologize to the person who’s in the wrong but in western culture we learn not to apologize for something. We did not do to stick up for ourselves and bullying here isn’t like bullying every.
@@brightlightning5089 things that other countries value that America doesn’t value so it is different in South Korea. You might make fun of someone because they are doing something that you don’t like but in America if someone’s doing something you don’t like you ignore and walk away and not be a coward.
The argument I hate the most from dumb fans: "They had all these years to speak up. Why speak up now (when the idol is debuting or doing well)?" There's no expiration date to speak up about trauma or how somebody treated you fucking horribly, even if it was YEARS ago. Besides, speaking up when somebody becomes a public figure or celebrity is probably the best way to get attention for how they acted.
It doesn't matter if it's worse in one place or another. Everyone has the right to be, and feel safe at school. School is for learning and preparing for your future, not a place to be miserable and terrified at where you have to hide to get to your classes and even then not be safe.
I think people fail to realize that the word "Violence" stems from the word "Violate" and so for South Korea to have a phrase from the words "School Violence" means it's more serious then a simple name calling or teasing.
Yeah, that’s understandable but in America there’s no name-calling only there’s guns there’s jumping there’s killing so please don’t try to compare which one is worse. They’re both bad.
@@carriebsaxon7647 exactly. Just because the word "bullying" can also be applied to name calling or more minor incidents, doesn't mean extreme bullying or violence doesn't happen too.
@@tikusblue there’s no such thing as extreme bullying it’s just bullying, so doesn’t matter how little you do or how much you do it’s bullying and it needs to be taken serious.
The fact that also people make false allegations to kpop idols that they bullied them at school because thats how Soojin and Garam got kicked out of their group😢
I am from the UK and I used to get bullied. Then I became a fan of k-drama and I used to think the bullying in it was "over acting" but it wasn't. It's really serious. Personally I think South Korea is a great country and so are the people but it upsets me that something toxic like that is so common in a great place. It has been said that South Korea has one of the highest suicidal death rate of young people. And I don't want a great place to be known for a sad thing like that. I hope soon the society on Korea with bullying becomes better. ❤
I was bullied so badly when I was younger that my father taught me to box when I was 10. I ended up boxing for 14 years and dating one of my bullies in high school. I came home covered in bruises daily. It was hard on my Dad so he did the only thing he knew to do. He taught me to defend myself. I went way beyond just boxing. I stood up for others being bullied as well. I taught my sons to do the same.
Any form of bullying has tremendous influence on the future of the bullied person. To this day I have things that trigger me and make me break out in cold sweat. I avoid crowds and people around the age I was bullied in. 😅 I still have nightmares 8 years after graduating.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the difference in language. We don't have a name for it in my language either. If it's vicious violence or extreme exclusion it's traumatising and can lead to life changing or life ending. On the other hand bullying in English encompasses together with the extremes instances of someone being mean, name calling, minor pranks, etc. If someone says they've been bullied in school I still wonder if they've been a victim or if they've been the A-hole who needed to be straightened or taught a lesson, or just a case of kids being too honest and inconsiderate as kids can be.
I had my skull cracked open by bullies at school in England so i know how bad it can get. It shouldn’t have happened but it made me a stronger person and none of my bullies should lose their jobs. If I want to deal with them I know where they live.
Actual bullying leaves scars for life. So it`s kind of a big deal and should be stopped. Some people just confuse it with friendly teasing or are trying to hide their bullying and make it easier to continue.
Bullying in the US can go as far as becoming depressed or suicidal . However these are the most extreme cases. Most of the time, its putting the blame on someone else or having someone else take the blame for a serious thing. As far I've seen most of the time Bullying is mental not physical. And no once you get into middle school or above its gonna have a huge impact on your mental health and can put more stress on the victims daily life. Hatred can go as far as trying to get the student suspended or kicked out of the school. I hope this clears out some confusion
I live in europe, and it's incredibly sad for me that people still experience bullying, thankfully I've never seen someone being bullied, I thought we were already over this 😢
Yeah bullying can be mentally and physically and bullying in us can lead to shootings like a school near me someone got shot cuz he was bullying the shooter
Bullying in the US is rarely just a few mean names. It's a systematic dismantling of someone else's self worth that spans over YEARS for the same reason you stated. Superiority. Putting your hands on someone isn't the only way to scar them for life. In my experience it was more rare for bullying to be only verbal. The difference is your country actually cares about it while ours tells damaged children to just deal with it.
Bullying and being a piece of shit for no reason to other ppl is literally a problem. It needs to be addressed at all points from teachers and parents and kids
I watch a lot of kdramas and I see the bullying that is shown (and never really addressed or criticised) is completely shameful. The fact that Korean society is not up in arms about these depictions does tell me it is realistic, and it does make me deeply critical of this aspect of Korean society. But I also think that it is so fundamental to the way Confucian thought is perceived that it is hard to see how this attitude can be shifted As for bullying by Idols - it's bedevilled by the incredible hypocrisy that seems common in Korea. If someone is in any way vulnerable, cancel them without finding out if it's true! If they are powerful or rich, then beat up the person making the accusation. There are many things about Korea and Korean society which are incredibly admirable, but these factors are frankly toxic and denote a deeply sick society. I even think that perhaps Koreans are starting to realise this too.
I think it's okay to move on, I think they need to apologize first though. Try to make amends with the person they bullied. If they truly are different person then yeah I can see moving on. A close eye kept eye on them though.
If bullying like those in The Glory or other Kdramas or worse happen that should be a punishable criminal offence no matter who or which country you're in
The fact that the The Glory bullying is heavily inspired by some real cases is so saddening
@Thethingcalled Lisa as far as I know it IS inspired by a real event. There was a lady who went on ""hello counselor " (TV programme in SK) SHE has the life of the victim in The Glory. I heard she eventually did kill herself in real life after being on the TV programme . Bullying in SK is often worse than what was portrayed in The Glory
@@carmenburton4918 What! That lady committed suicide? Oh no!😢😢😢
@@fahmidatanjim4094 She didn't even get the satisfaction of a happy ending where the bullies got what they deserved like in the show the real girl just had to live with the trauma and the bullies went on with their lives (this is what I heard)
Crimes in korea, other then drug crimes, seem to rarely get taken seriously. So like hell would this actually be a punishable crime.
I think they need to fix it. Kids are committing suicide because of it and people need to be held accountable. Not just the bullies but the school teachers and administrators that know it's going on and let it happen.
Kids commit suicide bc of bullying in the US too. (& in the U.S many of them go in & shoot half the school with the gubs theur parents gave them for their birthday!)🙏💜🇬🇧💜
@@Saiorse not most school shooters get guns for there birthday. Your comment comes off pretty ignorant tbh
@nelchira8713
"Ignorant" & "stupid" is giving young kids of 18 guns before they are even allowed to drink alcohol💡💜
Teenagers have RAGING Hormones & often struggle a bit with everything, GUNS are NOT for teenagers.
(& NO civilian needs Assault Rifles altogether! There IS NO Frontier now & yet still kids keep losing their lives to some nightmare with a gun! It's madness. That's my point; & understand this much, I speak 4 languages, play 3 musical instruments, I have a PhD AND a bunch of other lovely qualifications; I've never been ignorant thanks much (& unfortunately I know more than I wish I did about the bad things that happen over there, espc at school - & anybody with eyes knows all of that needs sorting out asap - yr insulting English ppl who mention it💡💜won't stop that being true!
Peace🙏🇬🇧🌏💜
@@Emily12349 My thoughts exactly
@@Saiorse Most American parents would never give there child a gun. I understand what you’re saying though with them being shockingly accessible.
As someone who used to be bullied just as violently as many of the
K-dramas we enjoy depict I would say that bullying must be further investigated before terminating an idol or actors contract but, if proven guilty these people must 100% be held accountable for their actions and fired from their jobs.
Based on what I saw and read, it's used falsely to much to try to get rid of idols.
It's effed up that it's so bad that idols or actors accus d could lose their jobs but the bullies doing it don't get any sort of punishment
IKR!! I always think that whenever such scandals come up like why jst based on a single allegation please get the evidences or at least a lot more witnesses or something cuz u nvr know this is like hell serious nd that's exactly why I believe thry should nvr be let go off easy or unpunished in the schl time itself cuz once everyone grows up there is no concrete evidence of who's right or wrong.
Truth
true, but a lot of times antis falsely accuse idols
IKR. I'm always neutral until there's evidence. If it was really true then they should step out of the limelight.
For those wondering why bullies are not punished or arrested, South Korea is an incredibly hierarchical country. People are very deferential to wealth and power. Many bullies come from families with both. Thus school officials and even cops will ignore major violence if the family is considered important. Also, many schools don’t deal with bullying because acknowledging the bully would reflect poorly on the school’s brand.
And the last part is proof of corruption
Actually the main reason is they don't really believe in prosecuting minors there. You can't charge someone if the law isn't there.
That's same in our country but i never underwent bullying
It's incredible how a bully in Korea can be a legitimate criminal or murder in a school but the government and school authorities don't do anything useful about it 😢
Proofs and evidences are hard to maintain in such cases.
@@JackSordakaPVS Proof of violence and murder isn't hard to get, the South Korean government just doesn't care.
@@cutienerdgirl even if they exist, schools might have them. Schools care about their prestige. And government has to care about the entire country. It might sound harsh but governments of the world wouldn't give a damn about affairs of school. So they won't go deep into school's affairs. As a result, school can tamper with the evidences.
Honestly I used to have the belief that it's bullying, people can grow and it's a past mistake. But that was before i found out how severe bullying is in Korea, if someone has physically harmed another person and committed so many acts of violence i think it's completely fair that they lose their jobs over that. Because after a certain extent you can't undo the damage. I've had minor bullying issues like name calling, and have had things stolen from me and that has left an impact on me so when that amount of bullying is enough to cause harm, considering how severe it is in Korea it definitely makes sense that it is such a huge controversy. I don't believe such violent people deserve the right to go on about their lives after they actively ruined/ took part in ruining someone's life.
The superiority complex issue is so high in Korea.
@@JackSordakaPVS In the United States, a school (or any organization) not cooperating with law enforcement might be considered obstruction of justice in an investigation, and purposefully hiding evidence of anything bad having happened in order to keep your name clean would DEFINITELY be obstruction, as well. I know this isn’t America, but there is no excuse to not look into crime. It doesn’t matter where it happens-it happened. “Someone got murdered at school by a student? Oh, well.” No. That is what the local police are for. I wouldn’t expect the government to care about every single individual case at a school. BUT, because there is clearly an overall bullying issue happening all throughout South Korea, then they need to be responsible and put some type of safeguards or punishments in place. (I didn’t mean any of this as hate, by the way.)
I think it's important to punish the bullies right in school. What's the point of punishing if you can't save the victim...?
Singapore has caning. I bet they don't have many bullies in school.
The point is to protect others from people that are able and willing to hurt other for their own enjoyment.
the point is so that theres no other victims. i may sound insensitive, but if we dont, they never learn and then some other poor kid will be the victim. the cycle never stops...
I don't understand your comment, you're saying to punish them but then contradict yourself by saying what's the point?
@@kimtaehyungoo I am saying punish them on time. Like say someone bullied someone in school ryt? After 10yrs you punish the bully what's the point? The victim has suffered and you can't turn back the time. The point is the schools should be more careful to punish the bullies right in school itself.
I grew up in Korea as I'm a Korean, it is true tht wht u see in the kdramas r 100% real. I was bullied in middle schl but after a while I became very silent so no one rlly cared except my guy bestfriends ✨
I went to school in the US and my “bullying” was much more similar to the term “school violence”. I was singled out and then my bullies got my entire grade to ostracize me. I was hurt physically while they played mind games with me. And the people tormenting me were favored by the staff, and one of their parents was a close friend of the principal. When I tried to get help they told me I was being dramatic and that teasing is normal and “builds character”.
I was already very soft spoken and non confrontational because I had to deal with abuse at home. I think that’s what made me a target in the first place-I looked vulnerable, I didn’t have many friends, and they knew nobody would care even if I came forward.
We should start using the term “school violence” in the US, because when I tell people I was bullied they think it was mild teasing. People don’t understand how much it impacts my life years later.
I relate a lot to your experience. While I was not experiencing abuse at home, I had some undiagnosed mental problems which I think made people ostracize and exclude me because I acted “differently” than the rest of my peers.
I hope you are healing and doing better now.
I think youre cool screw those jerks! Both a-yas!
Yeah, I have a friend who is blind in one eye because her bullies cornered her in the school bathroom and rubbed hand sanitizer into her eyes. Horrible violence ,(in bullying) absolutely does happen in America too, just not as often
@@normal_user-bx5jcDid they face any punishment for that?
@@bjrock1235 No clue. Figured it wasn't my business to pry. I imagine not, though, since she later got in huge trouble for trying to journal out her frustration (which had been recommended to her by the school counselor) when her bullies stole her journal and reported her for having "plans to kill them" written. It was revenge fantasies she had no intention of acting on that she had written down as a therapeutic exercise, but that didn't stop her from being hospitalized against her will for it. My understanding is that it was a shitty school.
Imagine how much the victims must have suffered! 😢
honestly, bullyiing is bullying. whether it is the severe type or light. both are not okay. So we shouldn't downplay name-calling and stealing money etc.
Exactly
I think she just wants to talk back to some who degrades the seriousness of Korean bullies. They assault their victims in very scary ways.
@@poppermintee sure. Very valid. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't degrade name-calling and stealing money either and such either.
Compared to literal murder/torture/group rape it's valid to downplay name calling
Bullying happens in every school bruh it's not a big deal. Everyone deals with it
I would argue that bullying is actually the same internationally, but there is a push to downplay peer abuse (something that might hold the same weight in English as "school violence" does in Korean) that it's overlooked.
I'd also argue that small things like name calling and stealing items are entry level forms of abuse. A way of testing the waters for kids to see what more they can get away with.
i never got bullied in india even those who gets bullied does not take it serious and even if the bullied one cries or something everyone come to console him as its prank everyone had a nickname and nobody was looked down upon.truly i born in a happy country despite being poor
I agree with you
Bullying, no matter how serious or small, is something that should immediately be stopped and reported against. Words and actions, both can hurt and if idiots go around projecting their insecurities on other innocents then that's where the action needs to be taken.
More often than not, bullies grow up to be sadistic adults whether we admit it or not.
If someone had a past of bullying they should be investigated for current acts of corruption, violent abuse, extortion, extremism etc then compelled to complete rehabilitation and therapy followed by an evaluation to see if they've changed.
Companies should also be allowed to drop people for bullying if they want.
That doesn't make much sense , it would be better if the schools punished while they're still a student bcuz... What the point if they are already graduated and everything and then the fbi show up at the door like how does that in any way help???
Plus, how would the people who have moved on from the past cope with the investigation? They'll most likely think that the world does not forgive them for their past. This is like mistreating prisoners. They most likely have moved on from their criminal life, but if they are still discriminated and cannot integrate into society, they'll continue to commit crimes, thinking that "since the world does not accept me when I try to change for the world, I'd better do whatever I want, and do what I'm good at - committing crimes". Now I'm not saying that all bullying cases reach criminal level, but I'm just giving a possible mindset of ex-bullies who are still being treated as despicable bullies even after "reforming"
Oh and I agree with the previous commenter, it's better to stem the problem from the STEM rather than cut off the branches and expect the problem to stop growing
@@starryroseblkpnk most of thr time it's not possible for the school authorities to punish the cuz they have rich and influential parents
they should be punished by whatever authority at whatever phase of their life so they can teach their own kids not to commit the same horrible acts
@@PY-ot1kl then it's the governments problem for sponsoring corrupt schools , and they should do something too
Not every case is the same. Some people grow humble after KARMA teaches them a lesson.
I am Indian and I've never been bullied. No!! It's not normal to be bullied. Everyone deserves to have peaceful and memorable school life. And i think anybody who is associated with committing such heinous things to their fellow classmates deserves to be punished, either expelled from schools or fired from jobs. It is totally justified
Yes that's what I thought in South Asia we don't face such kind of violent acts,,,, maybe friends calling ugly or some power misuses but this is straight up crime!!
@@frukaa5640 I'm an Indian and I was bullied very badly.
@@izzy8674 oh no sorry to hear that I thought bullying is not an issue in South Asia unless you are involved in politics
@@frukaa5640 I don't know where you are from but honestly I'm a girl from middle class family and my bully's dad was a well settled engineer in the town. I tried complaining about her but nobody cared because they thought I was lying because they believed that she came from a good family and why would she bully others. Sadly I never got the closure but my family's love and support didn't let me give up. And I feel like india has the highest number of bullies, we get bullied by aunties too.
Same, I'm in India and I've never gotten bullied but some students insult me because of my appearance and body but it's not as bad as Korea
I was bullied when I was in highschool to the point that I was hospitalized for 3 weeks.
I'm 36 years old now and the series The Glory made me realize that I need help, the past really took a toll on me. It defines every waking moment I have in the last 2 decades, no matter how hard I tried to forget it.
I recently seeking help to a psychologist specialist in trauma.
It's just unfair that those 13 people who bullied me can live their lives unbothered while mine destroyed.
I’m so sorry that happened to you. While I was not physically harmed and the time since my bullying ended was not as long ago as yours, I understand when you say that it is affecting every aspect of your life, and that those people get to live their lives like nothing happened while you are busy picking up the pieces of your own.
I wish you well in your journey through healing. It may be hard at times, but know that you DESERVE to be happy, and at peace within your life.
Bruh bullies are bad regardless of their origin and country💀
This is true. Buying is bad, even though there someone who did it worse, it doesn't mean that's justifiable
@@itzzahh0998 ikr
uh dont mind me but it should be bullying* and not buying-
Yes but it can vary in severity and in South Korea it’s especially brutal
Here in America, its still a big deal. Kids get bullied by both kids and adults! Yes, teachers can be bullies to
but it is ussually not as severe. Its usually not like beating up with bats and things, ofc there is physical pain sometimes, but i think in korea its a different level
In Texas Shotguns are answer to Bully
My friend was bullied by her 2nd grade teacher, this was mid 60s. Teacher picked on her because she was chubby. She wasn't obese for her age but was chubby, not that it matters how much overweight she was. A teacher should be there to educate, edify, encourage not bully and it caused lasting psychological effects.
@@Surftouka the teacher you're talking about might be a victim of such trauma herself. She's spreading her trauma. Yes, such shitty people exist everywhere!
@@Surftouka yes but if that teacher hurt them physically they'd lose their credentials and it was only one year. In cases like that you can often just change classes by telling the principal or dean and the teacher might have their license suspended or they'll have to go to training seminars. There are consequences that don't occur in Korea.
Not all Korean youtubers talk about bullying they only wanna show the good side ,thankyou for another informing short ❤
I think you mean "informative"?
Idk, but most of Korean CZcamsrs I know sometime talk about bad things that happened on their country 😅 they didn't try to hiding it. Well, we can't deny that every good things have a bad things, right?
(Sorry 4 my bad English)
The bullying is so intense that some people go to jail for attempted murder.
It's not just bad words and being mean in the US either. Though it's not as common, the bullying in Kdramas is gentler than the lives some of us lived. Stopping the offenders is something that needs to start at home, and strengthening the victims is the same. Honestly, bullying will never end. It's too easy to do.
i think they deserve to lose their job. no way they can violently disrespect classmates and get away totally scot-free. we see bullying victims take their own lives and it tears families apart. bullies don’t deserve to simply get on with their lives. it’s not the slightest bit fair! and of course preventing anymore bullying at their respective workplaces. better to be done sooner rather than later. i detest bullies.
Ditto!
I completely agree, especially when we’re talking about public figures who are supposed to set an example in our society. Despite this, I think there are a couple of problems with bullying accusations in the entertainment industry.
1. There’s often no proof whether allegations are true or not. We’ve seen cases where the accusations turned out to be fabricated (Jimin of AOA, Soojin from I-dle) and people have lost their livelihoods. It also means that fans jump to defend actors/idols who are actually guilty and will refuse to acknowledge that they were in the wrong
2. People on the internet react by harassing the accused with hateful messages, death threats, stalking etc. Regardless of whether the accusations are true or false, this reaction is in itself bullying and it perpetuates the culture that everyone says that they’re trying to stop
By the time they are adults they have changed or maybe changed. I think its best to see if they are the same as their childhood self. Jail is meant to teach not punish
@@kiwiipeachii8980 they changed sure but they also changed the life of the person they bullied forever and the victim has to live with this trauma for the rest of their life.. so idc how much you "changed" your life shall be changed for the worst too. don't dish what you can't handle yourself.
@@kathaai I'm sure there are ways that the former bully can handle this. What im saying is that its unfair to judge someone based on what they did 10 years ago. When its like you are a different person. its really hard to admit you're wrong which is why i admire people like that
WHO says that "bullying is not a big deal because everyone experiences it" ???
I actually had someone telling me this just a few days ago.
He completely dismissed the severity of this saying we all have the wrong impression because of kdramas & such exaggerating things.
To which I replied by citing the stats of how many incidents of school violence were reported the last couple of years…
20k ~ 30k a year before 2020
~9k in 2020 (due to Covid)
~15k in 2021
~10k just the first semester of 2022
He went radio silent after this.
Now imagine that the incidents that are reported are just a fraction of those occurring…
@@shinyagami8843 at least you shut him up!👍
Also, even if kdramas exaggerated it, that doesn't make it any better. Even if it wasn't as severe, people are getting bullied and it affects their mental health, likely scarring them for the rest of their life. I don't get people who don't take these things seriously just because they didn't have to go through it
@@yoghurt_is_a_fruit I think those saying it happens everywhere are mostly self centered Americans who think of a more mellow version of bullying that’s casually happening in American schools.
Anyone who knows about Miryang knows dramas aren’t exaggerating a bit…
@@shinyagami8843 where I am from, bullying isn't usually physical and (at least from my experience) would also be considered 'not severe' because it comes in ways that make it hard to actually say that you are getting bullied.
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Either it's people acting like they are your friend while actually hurting you (saying things that are hurtful but acting like they want to help you, making you feel bad for wanting to end the friendship or calling them out on it, basically just manipulation), or things that could easily be taken as a joke, if only done once, but if they happen again and again after you cleary show you don't like it, make you feel so hopeless and pathetic for even getting offended (again, not severe enough to complain to anyone but enough to mess with someone). I'm very bad at explaining but i've had people make fun of my hobbies and throw my bag around the classroom, i still don't know if I can say I was bullied, but it certainly made me feel worse about everything i was, and ashamed to even admit it when I liked something.
All this, I'm pretty sure, is nothing compared to what happens in korea. But that doesn't mean i won't take it seriously and if you take one minute to inform yourself (just have to watch a video like this one) then you know just how bad it is. One thing I don't understand is why american people would think that way when they literally have people doing school shootings after getting bullied (yes, they are usually mentally unstable, but i do think there usually is something that makes them hate school, in particular, so much. Doesn't mean what they do is the right thing, of course.)
Sorry if anything i said was incorrect, i'm currently sick so my thoughts feel a bit...foggy? (Also, if you didn't notice, english isn't my first language)
@@yoghurt_is_a_fruit I wasn’t trying to downplay the severity of the bullying you’re describing & have experienced or something. Psychological abuse is just as bad.
I was just saying that because the only form of bullying that Americans are familiar with is that of a “lighter” physical & more of a psychological “torture”, they tend to have disbelief at something so brutal as what is depicted in Korean dramas actually happening.
And yes it only takes a minute to “do your research”, as they often suggest, and find out whether it’s exaggerated or not…
Also, not my place to judge, I’m not a native speaker either 😂
It is a big deal in Texas. Our daughter was bullied in 3rd grade. Three boy's during our daughter's lunch and said to her "I want to string you up and skoot you". She came home crying, I called her school the next morning. The principal called our daughter first. Then she called the 3 boys because they all lied to the Asst Principal the day before. It took my calling and requesting these boys could not be in our daughter's classrooms.
I was bullied my self and 3rd to 6th grade. I was chaced knocked down and then picked on because I played with a girl not white. It doesn't matter, we all bleed red so we are not that much
different. I have always tried not to see the color of someone's skin or how they look, speak. I know this was long but I thought it would be different for our daughter but I was so wrong 😢❤
I almost got into the k drama bullying situation. A girl used to beat me with a stick a lot just cuz I took more time in learning her dance choreo. She did the same thing to pretty much everyone in class. Thankfully my only friend( she got bullied to and she stood up to her) noticed and convinced me to stand up to her. A few years later I heard of her issues with her parents who were really hard on her. She thought what she did to me was normal. What happened to me was definitely not as horrible as what a lot of people are experiencing but even this level can scare a person. It took me years to recover and trust people adain ( I approached her first thinking she was lonely. I thought of her as a friend). Even after learning her side of the story and seeing her become a better person I still am too scared of trusting her again. Sorry about this long comment
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I’ve always hated that “everyone gets bullied it’s no big deal” logic/argument. like just because something happens often DOES NOT mean that it’s okay
Another thing international fans forget is that with bullying in places like America, the bully's background and or homelife tend to be bad and they look for an ounce of power at school. But in korea, a lot of bullies already know they have a power over their victims and the school because their parents may be rich in some way and giving money to help fund the school (and also give special treatment to their kid). Situations like this cause "bullying" in korea to be more of a classism and political problem which is taken a lot more seriously than saying hateful remarks to someone in places like America
Edit: I don't want people to think that I am minimizing anyone's experience and I'm not saying that coming from a bad homelife is an excuse nor is it in every instance in America however please refrain from using anecdotal evidence when the statistics are out there. Most bullies in America are neglected or abused in some way at home while bullies in korea tend to come from families that give money to the school which ADDS a political element to the issue. Sorry if anyone misunderstood my words
Yes I agree
YES!! I was just about to say this.
They need their society to change their classism and maybe it wouldn’t be as violent 😢
In my country bullying is serious for example, im from Latin America and I heard once that they put a kids face in the toilet and he passed out and they did that just bc they thought he was gay, it’s awful
@Sagarika Mohapatra finally someone with some sense about this
@Sagarika Mohapatra no one said that. A bad home life is an explanation, not an excuse. More importantly, knowing the causes helps us be able to solve the root of the problem and hopefully get the bully kid on the path to redemption.
Bullying is so so common in Japan and Korea. People are forced to be "normal" and they most likely will ignore the victims. Hell goes back and forth every day for those victims but the bullies don't even get punishment. In one case one of the bullies of a girl became a nurse who gives "donations" and when she met with the one she bullied, she didn't act like she was sorry at all.
Bullying is terrible anywhere where it takes place. The only people I know say bullying is not a big deal is the bullies!!
i was bullied as a kid in school so badly i had to move schools. i mean no one burned cigarettes into my arms but i was assaulted in a more mild manner plus they attempted to gaslight me but i stood my ground with the school officials and my mom backed me up. mind you this was 4th grade. it forever altered how i open up to people and make friendships when i was already shy. it’s not something some people can ‘get over’ i don’t wish any kind of bullying on anyone and definitely not violence. all school system need to change to protect the victims and actually give true punishment to bullies. not mild sentences or slaps on the wrist especially since i know it’s glossed over with minors
I went through something very similar as a child, and thinking about my childhood before then feels like a different lifetime because I was so much happier and extroverted then.
I’m so sorry that happened to you, but I’ve noticed that even though I hated what I went through, I do not regret that it happened because it has ultimately changed me for the better and made me wiser and much more empathetic (however, I am not saying that you should feel like this, too. This is just how I’ve chosen to look at my own experience).
I hope you are healing now. 💜
Same.
I went through bullying in junior high and I still feel hurtful by it snd that was over 50 years ago. It's really harmful and school officials and parents should make sure there are repercussions for it.
I went to school in Korea. There was a snowstorm. Some bullies stole a girl's coat. She was poor so she wasn't dressed that warm as is. She had to walk home in a knit sweater. This is actually considered mild but i always regretted that I never helped her.
The majority of international kpop fans comments I've read were mostly against bullying. Bullying is an issue in the US too so its not like we're foreign to it. It's even alleged that many school tragedies were the result of bullying. So we know it's not something that should be swept under the rug.
Bullying is more than teasing. Everyone gets some teasing in highschool; not everyone gets their hair cut or drowned in the toilets or belongings stolen or beaten up daily.
Thank you for saying this. As someone whose been badly bullied throughout school and have had several people, some people who were my friends, take their lives because the bullying was so brutal, I was offended when she said bullying in the US was about 'taking lunch money' and 'name calling'.
@@7swftwI don't think her intention was to minimize bullying in other countries, but to highlight that not all forms of it are the same, and that it's a systemic issue in Korea given the class and social dynamics in a way that's different from most other countries.
if it wasn't for Kdramas, i would never have known that bullying in some places actually happens to such extremes. I'm lucky to have never been bullied or see any bullying occur while i was still in school but my heart aches for those victims who don't get the justice they deserve. If the same act committed by an adult is a punishable offence, then a school going child should be tried the same. letting them off easy is just mere encouragement in my opinion
I know right. When someone told me about bullying in their school, I felt like "how could they be so mean" 😢
"losing your job because of your past"
Garam we miss you 😭😭😭💓💓
Bullying is a world wide phenomenon its so horribly sad that no matter what setting or walk of life your in putting a group of children together will almost always end in at least one of them getting singled out
We need to do better as a society kids act like this because they see it in the adult world please if you have kids teach them to be kind and caring as somebody who has both bullied and been bullied in my past its a vicious cycle that nobody is safe from and absolutely no child deserves that
I've always been so ignorant to bullying. The worst I saw was light teasing from students but the second someone looked like they weren't ok with it, they'd immediately apologize. I think the worst treatment came from the teachers who had a savior complex but actually looked down at us (most of us were immigrants from farm working families) but we always grouped together to fight against those teachers and they usually never got rehired. Now that I'm a mom and in the military I worry for my child as we have moved around the world and a lot of places aren't very nice and no place has been as coddled and protected as where I grew up.
As someone who used to be bullied, I hope that you have taught your child/children to stand up for themselves. It's absolutely crucial because you sometimes can't change your child/children's environment, but you can change how they react to it
@@mehlanie13 I'm sorry to hear that, and I hope you have managed to move forward with a more peaceful and happy life. We have definitely strived to teach her that not all kids are raised in a loving home like she has, so she understands that the victims are not at fault but the perp who is taking their own anger out. She has surprised me with how well she deals with people not being nice to her, she has shown understanding and a willingness to teach them better ways to cope. Of course this will be harder as they age bc younger children are easier to teach, but she does take multiple self defense classes and has shown a very social and outgoing personality that doesn't reach anger easily. I can only hope she continues this way.
@@daesungscurlyhair oooh that's amazing ^^ i wish all parents were like you :))
ANY form of bullying is NOT acceptable. PERIODT!.
Bulling in the US commonly takes the form of SA amongst men and is often called "corn dogging" among women it takes the form of rumors and is generally milder, but is always designed to make you feel uncomfortable in your skin.
Those kids who bully should get assault/harassment charges. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
Wow I didn't even know bout this. I really hope this problem gets fixed, bullying is so extreme.
The thing is, no matter how severe the bullying is, it can still hurt the victim. I've had to deal with a good amount myself and I have several friends who also had to deal with the same kind or worse than me. One of my very best friends was physically abused by other classmates because he was on the bigger side (he'd often result to violence against these same people, but it's gotten better with the years). Definitely didn't help when people called us bf/gf for hanging out together and it would also make him furious so I'd often have to stop him. There was also another guy who I became friends with and had a childhood crush on who had other people dunk his head in a toilet because they didn't like him or wanted to make his life miserable - so when he changed schools and I had a crush on him (I put a note in his backpack and he happened to open it around some of these other guys, so in fear of being bullied, he decided to call me horrible things to earn some "favour", but he apologized later on and all was well eventually) and I.. well, mine was rarely physical. I was usually just shunned, chosen last, had barely any friends and many people went out of their way to be mean to me, steal my clothes, accuse me of doing horrible things to them - some even publicly bullied me in front of several people, literally smiling when they got on my nerves - some of those regret what they did and I know that they do while others I know don't - and in later years when I've visited my hometown, I've seen some of my former bullies.. and truthfully, karma has done it's thing, although truthfully, I couldn't care less. These people hurt me for several years, to the point I'm struggling with depression, anxiety and who knows what else, and I do blame them for parts of it, but blaming them won't make me better. Currently, I'm in therapy which is starting to help.. that doesn't mean I have to forgive them or forget, more that I have to accept that it happened and get past it, although I do forgive some of them.
I have to be honest, I don't bullying in SK is the worst - or that it's much worse than anywhere else. I'd say it's just as bad anywhere, and saying that one place is worse than another, especially when it comes to big scales like countries, is just a pointless debate.
I do not agree with how these supposed bully victims go about it, either. While I do understand it's difficult to defend yourself in the moment/those school years and try to get justice for what happened - outing a person as a bully years later when they're an adult and have most likely changed from their childish behaviour (not always the case), is nothing more than revenge - and that rarely helps people.
Damn, and insults and being called names growing up already affected me mentally. Imagine receiving actual harm and death threats from your peers and the school not doing anything about it 🥶
Yeah, I’ve read so many horror stories about the bullying in South Korea. It’s a whole other ball game from the US. (The US is still horrible with it and I’m one who dealt with a lot of it growing up, even into university, but it’s comparing apples to oranges in how these bullies do it. 😢)
Yeah the us is equally horrible, just different. Kids are stabbed by bullies in the US, jumped and beaten close to death by multiple bigger kids at once, or even threatened with guns at school or leaving school. Kids are also filmed being beaten and the videos are shared around the school leading to shame and suicide attempts.
It's sad but tbh I think a lot of people just think the Korean stories are "worse" because they bullying methods are often more discreet or just different and people have become desensitized to the stories I mentioned about children being kicked and punched to death or near death, or being mentally tortured to the point of suicide.
Abuse is abuse! And if karma is striking them now it's their own fault, justice maybe served late, but should be served
"The fact that _violence_ is directly used to describe bullying, you kinda already know how serious it is."
*Flashback of "40 Days in Hell" intensifies*
Hi! Born and Raised in Germany 🇩🇪:
I was always gay okay and very flamboyant, expressive, not really all that feminine.
I had boys throw Bins at me, empty them over my head and had chewing gum stuck on my hair as a result of that.
I always fought my bullies back whether I was 1v1 or against multiples and they soon found out „Okay we can’t bully him. We‘ll stop“
Whatever anyone tells you, FIGHT BACK! don’t ever throw the first punch, but make sure you punch last.
Now we‘re actually cool when we pass each other so I don’t wanna hear any sensitive people call anything out.
Nobody stops bullying you when you ask nicely or „tell a teacherrr“ as helpful as it may sound. no. STAND your ground!
I‘m 23 now and very good at handling life situations.
I despise people who don't look at bullying seriously.
I was about to take my own life like many people who went through this traumatic experience and many people don't realize how people suffer from this and don't do anything to change it
So sorry for what you went through. I hate how bullying is an issue everywhere. Too many bullies.
@@tikusblue Thanks and honestly same...
Its sad that korea has such light sentences for minors especially when they do these crimes. It doesn't matter that they are just kids. If they can do these heinous things as kids what more could they do when they get older?
I live in America and a school some of my friends go to is a lot like what your explaining, no kidding, this school has an ambulance come in and pick up a kid at least once a day. One kid I know said it's really rare to have a day go by without ambulance sirens going off somewhere. He says it's scary to go to school, and that you should keep your head down and get through the day without offending someone or the next day you could end up in the hospital.
bullying is the same wherever you go, bullying is bullying.
You are a wonderful educator...
You are doing great.
Keep up the good work!!!
Thanks for all your content! ❤ it is nice to know How things work in other countries
the person who are bullying are criminals in future so we should be prevent them if we don't they will continue it
I think the bullying I see in kdramas is pure evil. No equivocation.
It's not bullying, it's criminal offence
"people can change when they grow up they're not going to be a bully their whole life" yeah 💀 but they should still get punishment for their behaviours and not be excused because their process of "growing up" did affect the victim mentally permanently and not getting justice when you were bullied so brutally effects the trust they'll have in authorities/people in general in the future THEY ARE FOREVER SCARRED FOR LIFE! The abuser can grow up and change but the victim suffers mentally forever it's just not fair.
You realize you’re punishing far more than just one person when it’s an adult right? Like you’re punishing a family. A provider. Not a child.
It’s not right to stigmatize people for choices they made when their brains weren’t even fully developed.
@@Spooky_Platypus you're defending bullies????this is not even normal bullying 'the glory was almost a half murder case...Shame.
@@Spooky_Platypus A minor who does anything bad like bullying should be reprimanded and taught not to act like that. Just because their brains aren’t fully developed isn’t excuse for poor and disrespectful behavior. If that were the case, then that logic would technically apply to almost everyone around the age of 30, when the brain is considered to be at peak maturity (please correct me if I’m wrong). Also, just for perspective, the victim(s) and their family(ies) are also affected, regardless if the bully gets punished or not.
That's messed up! I can't even imagine how much trauma they get through, I was cyber bullied but this type of bullying or violence broo I'll be traumatized for life and I won't forgive them bruh 😔
I hate bullies! When i was young i was bullied, but as i grew up i worked out and now i give bullies what they deserve!!! You are beautiful and i would protect you!!!❤
I think you have no idea about bullying in America. It is usually far more psychological than physical but there is plenty of physical violence that occurs as well.
Yeah I called her out on her saying bullying in america is just "name calling and stealing lunch money", and I shared my own experience being bullied as well as other ppl I know because bullying in America is just as brutal, and she deleted all my comments. She's a very ignorant and arrogant person.
More laws for bullying. More punishment if caught. Denial the right to go back to school
Bullying is never okay and should never be excused.
Sometimes people have beef. It can go to far. And I am sure it is addressed that it is wrong to do but also teaching people the correct way to handle it is important. Next, no, you shouldn't lose your job because you were a bully. If there are current HR issues at work then maybe, but not for your past. Speaking as someone that was bullied and bullied. You get over it and grow into a different person. I am friends with some of the people that bullied me and some I bullied. But that's boys, we get over stuff if we are allowed to fight it out.
The sad thing is, the bullying is not only being done in the school yards by students. Antis include youth and adults.I believe the intensity of harassment, degradation and hatred aimed towards others are pre meditated. Consequently, the perpetrators should be held to account. The sad thing is, if the bullying in K-drama represents the truth then those with a high status and/or lots of money will be free to continue.
can you pls talk about Black6ix/Peaktime's 24시 former member KIM HYUNJAE. He got falsely accused of school bullying and got removed from the show. After falling into depression cuz of it he found the bravery to now sue the accuser. can you pls share his story with your audience. so that he receives the support and his damaged reputation can be fixed again? thank you
A suicide is worst than the bullies loosing their jobs.
You never get over being bullied!
My issue with it is that a lot of the time, it’s just allegations, and half the time they aren’t even true. Which makes it much much worse, because they lose their job, their reputation, and because they were famous, and anybody could look up that scandal, they might not even be able to keep a job. Because somebody decided they wanted to ruin their life so they lied on the internet.
I do think people who were actually violent should get consequences more like counseling, reckoning from their victims, and in some cases, jail time. I’m not a big fan of it, but some people just need to be away from other people.
I think the fact the people can falsely accuse others of bullying and ruin their life is way too much. Hyunjin (skz), and Soojin come to mind. innocent people who were hurt by others, and falsely accused of bullying. yet they were the ones bullied.
It's truly not fair for the innocent, true, but those accusations will be coming at anyone, honestly. It's just that people are petty and can't see someone they don't like succeed in life. What I find totally ridiculous is that companies make their idols apologise no matter what. An idol should apologise (and in some cases be kicked out of the group) only after proven guilty. How is anyone supposed to know if the accusation was true if they're all apologising? Not that any of those apologies are sincere, but they at least would be treated as admitting guilt if nothing else
hyunjin isnt in any way innocent tho😭
@@deez4111 hyunjin is innocent, he didnt bully anybody. You're spreading Misinfo.
@@SaraRankins. bro, he literally apologised to the victims, whats there to apologise about if he didnt bully anyone? none of the claims against him were ever proven false (the person who wrote the post could have their life ruined if they spread false info about a celebrity like that), literally just do actual research on the situation and read what the victims wrote against him.. he may have not been a "bully" but he wasn't innocent either.
@@SaraRankins. he sl*tshamed multiple girls, added a girl to a group just to bully her, called them insults like ugly and fat and way more
Bullying someone is disgusting and dangerous regardless of where you live. Causing harm to another individual physically, emotionally, or psychologically is never ok and should never be condoned.
I completed high school this year, and I have never been bullied but whenever I see kdramas about bullying I never take it like it's not that big of a deal, infact it's a really big deal tho.
We all should protect each other and if someone in ur class is getting please protect them.
I live in America and bullying is a big deal and I've also experienced the K-drama bullying. So it's a very big deal to me.
It’s sad how people like to compare Asian culture to Western culture they’re very different things.
@@carriebsaxon7647 from my experience the bullying is about the same the only thing that isn't is the overall culture.
@@brightlightning5089 actually, it is because in South Korea in other countries mostly they’re not western style they beat you with the bat or take your money or make fun of you or beat you up and do more and your parents make you apologize to the person who’s in the wrong but in western culture we learn not to apologize for something. We did not do to stick up for ourselves and bullying here isn’t like bullying every.
@@brightlightning5089 things that other countries value that America doesn’t value so it is different in South Korea. You might make fun of someone because they are doing something that you don’t like but in America if someone’s doing something you don’t like you ignore and walk away and not be a coward.
@@carriebsaxon7647 I wish that was the case
The argument I hate the most from dumb fans: "They had all these years to speak up. Why speak up now (when the idol is debuting or doing well)?" There's no expiration date to speak up about trauma or how somebody treated you fucking horribly, even if it was YEARS ago. Besides, speaking up when somebody becomes a public figure or celebrity is probably the best way to get attention for how they acted.
It doesn't matter if it's worse in one place or another. Everyone has the right to be, and feel safe at school. School is for learning and preparing for your future, not a place to be miserable and terrified at where you have to hide to get to your classes and even then not be safe.
I will stop right there bullies turning people into bullies
I think people fail to realize that the word "Violence" stems from the word "Violate" and so for South Korea to have a phrase from the words "School Violence" means it's more serious then a simple name calling or teasing.
Yeah, that’s understandable but in America there’s no name-calling only there’s guns there’s jumping there’s killing so please don’t try to compare which one is worse. They’re both bad.
There is plenty of school violence in America. More than in Korea. Punching. Kicking. Throwing desks. Stabbings. Shootings.
@@carriebsaxon7647 exactly. Just because the word "bullying" can also be applied to name calling or more minor incidents, doesn't mean extreme bullying or violence doesn't happen too.
@@tikusblue there’s no such thing as extreme bullying it’s just bullying, so doesn’t matter how little you do or how much you do it’s bullying and it needs to be taken serious.
The fact that also people make false allegations to kpop idols that they bullied them at school because thats how Soojin and Garam got kicked out of their group😢
The people that said everyone gets bullied in school it's not that big of a deal, *are* the bullies
Bullying is NEVER OKAY and no it is a BIG DEAL !!! It shouldn't be forgiven or forgotten
losing ur job because of ur past is definitely okayyyy
I am from the UK and I used to get bullied. Then I became a fan of k-drama and I used to think the bullying in it was "over acting" but it wasn't. It's really serious. Personally I think South Korea is a great country and so are the people but it upsets me that something toxic like that is so common in a great place. It has been said that South Korea has one of the highest suicidal death rate of young people. And I don't want a great place to be known for a sad thing like that. I hope soon the society on Korea with bullying becomes better. ❤
The bullied people need to take revenge as shown in 'The Glory'.
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I was bullied so badly when I was younger that my father taught me to box when I was 10. I ended up boxing for 14 years and dating one of my bullies in high school. I came home covered in bruises daily. It was hard on my Dad so he did the only thing he knew to do. He taught me to defend myself. I went way beyond just boxing. I stood up for others being bullied as well. I taught my sons to do the same.
Any form of bullying has tremendous influence on the future of the bullied person.
To this day I have things that trigger me and make me break out in cold sweat. I avoid crowds and people around the age I was bullied in. 😅 I still have nightmares 8 years after graduating.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the difference in language. We don't have a name for it in my language either. If it's vicious violence or extreme exclusion it's traumatising and can lead to life changing or life ending. On the other hand bullying in English encompasses together with the extremes instances of someone being mean, name calling, minor pranks, etc. If someone says they've been bullied in school I still wonder if they've been a victim or if they've been the A-hole who needed to be straightened or taught a lesson, or just a case of kids being too honest and inconsiderate as kids can be.
If it’s bullying like in “All of us are dead” then I must say, I feel more bad than ever.
I had my skull cracked open by bullies at school in England so i know how bad it can get. It shouldn’t have happened but it made me a stronger person and none of my bullies should lose their jobs. If I want to deal with them I know where they live.
its true! and its not limited to only the students, its the teachers and parents too.
Actual bullying leaves scars for life. So it`s kind of a big deal and should be stopped.
Some people just confuse it with friendly teasing or are trying to hide their bullying and make it easier to continue.
Bullying in the US can go as far as becoming depressed or suicidal . However these are the most extreme cases. Most of the time, its putting the blame on someone else or having someone else take the blame for a serious thing. As far I've seen most of the time Bullying is mental not physical. And no once you get into middle school or above its gonna have a huge impact on your mental health and can put more stress on the victims daily life. Hatred can go as far as trying to get the student suspended or kicked out of the school.
I hope this clears out some confusion
I live in europe, and it's incredibly sad for me that people still experience bullying, thankfully I've never seen someone being bullied, I thought we were already over this 😢
I fail to see how wilfully destroying another person's dignity proves any kind of superiority.
It's assault, and illegal detention. We need to use the proper legal term and people should be charged.
Yeah bullying can be mentally and physically and bullying in us can lead to shootings like a school near me someone got shot cuz he was bullying the shooter
Bullying in the US is rarely just a few mean names. It's a systematic dismantling of someone else's self worth that spans over YEARS for the same reason you stated. Superiority. Putting your hands on someone isn't the only way to scar them for life. In my experience it was more rare for bullying to be only verbal. The difference is your country actually cares about it while ours tells damaged children to just deal with it.
I don’t call that bullying. I call that being a criminal
Bullying and being a piece of shit for no reason to other ppl is literally a problem. It needs to be addressed at all points from teachers and parents and kids
legit the bulling in penthouse, the glory and who are you school 2015 traumatised me
I watch a lot of kdramas and I see the bullying that is shown (and never really addressed or criticised) is completely shameful. The fact that Korean society is not up in arms about these depictions does tell me it is realistic, and it does make me deeply critical of this aspect of Korean society. But I also think that it is so fundamental to the way Confucian thought is perceived that it is hard to see how this attitude can be shifted
As for bullying by Idols - it's bedevilled by the incredible hypocrisy that seems common in Korea. If someone is in any way vulnerable, cancel them without finding out if it's true! If they are powerful or rich, then beat up the person making the accusation.
There are many things about Korea and Korean society which are incredibly admirable, but these factors are frankly toxic and denote a deeply sick society. I even think that perhaps Koreans are starting to realise this too.
I think it's okay to move on, I think they need to apologize first though. Try to make amends with the person they bullied. If they truly are different person then yeah I can see moving on. A close eye kept eye on them though.
Nal, the way they take it to the next level in kdramas is crazy