Have I been doing this the expensive way for no reason? - Replacing my Icron Raven
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Putting your PC in another room makes so much sense. Why suffer through the noise and heat your gaming rig puts off when you could just…not? But getting peripherals to work from an entirely different part of the house is prohibitively expensive. Or is it? We take a look at some of the much more budget-friendly options available to getting USB working in a completely different room.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro
1:23 Icron USB Raven 3124 - How it works
2:49 Corning Cables
3:48 Walls, and the Cables Already Within
4:55 Building Our Own...Poorly
7:23 The Ezcoo...EZcoo? ezCoo?
8:28 Let's take this outside
10:35 Monoprice's USB Extender Solution
11:45 Copper is Copper: A Conclusion - Věda a technologie
I wish there was a latency test with each options. I'm guessing there isn't much or even noticeable to the users, but still would love to see the data.
You can calculate that yourself, speed of em waves in copper is roughly 2/3*c (speed if light)
@@zxy7529the more interesting part is to see whether potential delay due to the conversion/boosting circuits is present.
What about the cheaper usb 3.0 over fiber? There is lower priced alternatives over fiber
Well I've pinged my router when it was connected to my PC over 90m of Cat6 and it was 1ms, so that gives you an idea. Media converters e.g. MoCa adapters typically add 1-2ms. So probably 2ms of extra latency, totally negligible.
@@QuantumBraced Except that is theoretical. Some cheap hardware may introduce more latency, just by using underpowered processor to convert. So quick latency test would be really nice.
This was neat but I wish they’d covered more about HDMI & DisplayPort. That’s the bit that seems most difficult over 50m.
Without fiber, anything above 1080 is still limited.
And you are looking at 750+ per side for professional AV gear
Even 10m on 4K60 DP was a challenge to keep on budget. The standard phantom cable did work, but I couldn't get 4K120 HDR working. To get more bandwidth from 4K60 at 10m, from what I've seen when I looked at it 2 years ago prices really skyrocketed. USB was really the easy part.
I'm going to assume you meant to say 50ft, as that is the theoretical 'hard' limit on *active* HDMI cables. But there are a lot of options out there now for fiber HDMI cables extending much further than the 50ft active mark. One of the best brands is RUIPRO. Be careful though as there is a lot of cheap stuff out there and usually these long runs are being put in areas that wont be accessible after install.
Not covered but not a problem today, huzzah!!!! 4k@144 optical DisplayPort cables of 30m/100ft are ~$120 and work astoundingly. Longer ranges (50m) use the exact same chips, but is now at a boutique price point, and cost $400, but work fine too. These are considerably easier efforts than sending USB since it's a one-direction data flow, rather than a complex bidirectional system. I have three utterly no-name cables I bought years ago (May 2011) for super cheap (first was not-so-no-name CableCreations 100ft for $55.99, half the price today) and honestly my only problem so far as been how hard it is to coil stupid-long runs of fiber. I'd ignore the scare quote comments about things not working: the no-names work great. Just buy whatever is cheap & test it at high-bandwidth right away & return it if it doesn't work.
why would you need over 50m? Thats 165ft, enough to reach all the way around most houses from one side to the other on the outside!
As someone else mentioned, i wouldve liked a latency test. Would like to move my gaming gaming pc elsewhere because of the heat situation. Also maybe connecting a hub to end and plugging the rest of peripherals wouldve been awesome. Something like linus’ home setup
...also I saw some benchmarks were USB3 had better latency then USB2 ... but is it "noticeable" is a different question.
You're not going to have latency on the order of anything you can perceive. Copper delay scales with length, and while optical cables are comically faster, the fixed overhead of the signal conversion makes them worse than copper over short distances. One study found that for each meter of copper, you incur just under five nanoseconds of delay. Not great for transnational infrastructure, perfect for domestic use.
It would be awesome if you could test latency with this. See if the repeaters introduce any major or noticeable latency
Theoretically it should be impossible. They are connected cable to cable, with the only point that breaks the chain being power delivery. Since they don't store data, it needs to be travelling at standard electricity speed, meaning there wouldn't be any latency.
I was thinking the same thing. If you want to get rid of heat and noise (as they say at the start of the video), then the PC is doing more than just moving the mouse pointer. So, gaming... What's the input lag/latency like on all of the solutions they tried out?
I'm an audio engineer and musician and when you pointed out the potential to terminate to XLR my eyes got real big. I've got ideas now.
Tons of XLR over CAT6 cable snakes already exist and they're great.
IDK cat5 cable is very rigid and it's unshielded, maybe its ok-ish for home, some club installations and DMX. Oh btw, there's soft cat5 for digital snakes but it's not cheap as PC cat5 or audio cable. Anyways let me know! =)
I would say anything by Radial or Whirlwind would be a reliable bet for XLR over ethernet. I might also recommend shielded cat6, but it's always best to read the manual to find a suitable cable. You could always go with a digital console with a matching stage box but those get expensive quick.
@@DavidMyers0 it's digital signal btw, adapters are just straight audio instead
others have mentioned the Radial stuff, i just wanna point out that that can carry four balanced signals if you're okay sharing the ground pin between all of them and you use a shielded network cable. the one linus showed only had one channel
Holy timing, batman! Just moved into our first house and I'm facing this issue LITERALLY TONIGHT.
Don't fail me, LTT.
He doesn't mention it but optical HDMI or display ports about $100ish for 20m from Amazon that's what I'm doing for my house super easy super cheap and then wireless peripherals over ethernet cable like they talked about
@@soaringspoon definitely - I have moved to optical HDMI and DP cables. I used to run 36ft copper DP cables until I needed much higher res and refresh rates. I am still looking for a non-$1000 solution for peripherals. Thunderbolt + corning optical cables still seem like the best high speed option. Running modern machines with long passive USB 2.0 extensions is getting a bit old. All of it is a bit problematic.
Well this is cool and all, but what if I want to run video as well? Preferably at 4k60
@@rustler08 Damn you are HILARIOUS
I was also looking into this last week. I was trying to get a computer closer to a work bench with sawdust and thought hey, I am fine gunking a keyboard/mouse and monitor, but I want a decent computer here. Why not just put it in a different room.
I actually love Ezcoo as a somewhat obscure brand. Most of their stuff is rebadged between a ton of brands so I have no idea if their stuff is original. But they do make a bunch of niche little boxes like that ranging from HDMI audio extractors, HDMI splitters/mirrors, KVMs, and I guess USB extenders too
HDMI audio extractor? That does seem niche. Duo you have a use case for that? Does that work with hdcp? I'm assuming the splitters don't.
I recently used one to extract the audio from a Firestick (Kodi) to pass it onto some old but very good Sony wireless, surround sound 'phones. HDMI ARC refused to work from a very new and expensive TV where as one of these extractors works perfectly.@@WowReallyWhoDoesThat
These are my favorite types of videos that you guys make. Good to have you back Linus!
When Linus picked up the keyboard and said mouse 😂😂
I think they should've filmed the whole video over again. Not sure if the annotation was satisfactory for all his viewers to understand the difference
Wait till Gamers Nexus sees this
this is informative and unfortunate
And picked up mouse and said keyboard
@@cwise6102 hours video about Ltt inaccuracy incoming!
Did you notice how he held the mouse? Clearly interests involved!!
But what was the latency? cheap is good and all, but if it adds a heavy input lag then none of them are worth it imo
I'm surprised he didn't touch on it
Yeah, not using this to game or for a full setup is kind of missing the trees for the forest.
@@leoncraftmcso now it's not about bad data?
Yeah that’s exactly why I went with a USB 3.1 fiber optic cable instead.
@@leoncraftmcI would rather LMG go back to the casual style of making non
-data driven videos with an emphasis of fun, vs making videos that are data driven, but boring and sometimes inaccurate. There are other media channels out there for that content, and I think LMG should focus on what built their brand in the first place rather than trying to do too much for their size.
1:59 Really glad you all have started going back and doing audio corrections, I was waiting to see results on your promises to do better, and how this video was handled is a great second step.
Thanks.
I loved these style videos. I love networking and seeing you work with fiber and copper. Keep up the good work!
I would have liked to see remote KVM that can be either ethernet or optical for around 300$
you could do that with PiKVM and ethernet possibly, maybe even go old school and use crossover
I wish I have 1 billion... :')
There is. As Slot1Gamer mentioned you can use PiKVM.
Combine PiKVM with something like an optical to copper/media converter and you got optical. You could also combine the PiKVM with a managed KVM switch so that you can use one PiKVM for multiple devices. I think EZCOO also has a switch that's working with PiKVM. Without the switch, you'd probably land way below $300$.
Probably not what looking for, but I do like my Aten 4 way kvm switch. It had a slight issue running control over 4 servers where one of them wouldn't detect the keyboard for Bios. I think it was because of a power hungry keyboard and and a low power usb port on that server, otherwise it was pretty effective for my needs.
Sidenote - would always have some really basic old Dell kb & mouse near the rack for when would run into those types of issues.
TinyPilot, if you can get raspberry pi within the price..
Yes, this is the type of content you guys gotta keep making!
I can't wait for the any time now secret shopper series.
agreed! Love this content!
I was kind of hoping he'd bring up the thunderbolt docking system he was using a while back and if he was still using it or not. Was really curious about the pros and cons from it; otherwise, great video for some alternatives.
Same. I use a thunderbolt dock with my tiny GPD laptop and it works well with a 2 meter cable. However I would like something a little bit longer.
I use one of these (Corning TB3, 50 meters) and it has been very solid. Plugging it in may not immediately work, so you may have to retry, but after that it’s totally fine. However, this issue is almost certainly due to the Thunderbolt driver for my motherboard, so I am very hesitant to blame the cable. Could even be my CalDigit dock instead. Works very well once everything initializes, though. I only do 1080p60, but I doubt I’ll have issues once I move up to 4k. I have the computer in the basement and everything else upstairs in my room.
We use these at work for a number of our meeting rooms. A PC is in a rack on the other side of the room, we use extenders for USB and HDMI to get signal to USB cameras and wall mounted TV's. If we have multiple inputs for video to go to the TV's, just throw an HDMI matrix in the rack. The most recent meeting room I re-configured actually had a patch panel for the amount of cat cables that came back to the cabinet from these extension devices. We would put a receiver or transmitter on one side of the connection, which would then go to the cat cable, back to the rack patch panel, out to a cat cable to the other receiver or transmitter. Really cool solution for a setup of that scale.
Linus 9 days ago: ive been doing this the cheap way now im going to fix it
Linus today:
Hey, this only will bring more content!
On the contrary, I enjoy these sort of contents from Linus. I’ve now put Ezcoo on my Amazon shopping cart
You left off the punchline.
The cheapest way to have remote USB/HDMI to computers around your house is to have a sponsor give you many times $1,500.00 USB fiber boxes, of course. 😆
(I know even his employees would be like: "Sure, Linus, sure...." *eyes roll*)
If you're going to use a twisted pair for analog audio, I would be cautious as most speaker wire is somewhere between 12 and 16 guage and a twisted pair is only about 23 guage making some serious resistance at higher volumes. For just some light background music it may not be a big deal though.
wouldn't this be solved if you combined multiple wires in that jack for one speaker? (wire 1-4 = red speaker port, wire 5-8 for black speaker port)
@@invinciblegod I suppose you could run the pairs in parallel, but I've never tried it before. That might be a decent idea.
True, its best used for line level instead of speaker level. But it's also very good at that, what linus doesn't mention is that twisted pair is actually very good at noise rejection. Not perfect but better than most RCA cables... much better
If they just run at least 1 if not 2 pairs in series to get the impedance up to at least 16 ohms if not 32 even, it will be ok -ish
There are 6 wires in a cat 5/6 cable. You only need two to run speakers. Just bridge the cables to effectively decrease the guage. 3x 0.3 mm2 = 0.9 which is nearly the same as 17 guage (1 mm2) so you are 2/3 of the way to 16 guage (1.5 mm2)
I work for AV services at a college in the US. We have those Icron USB extenders all over our campus in any room that has built in cameras and we run Cat6A cables through the walls and ceiling between them. They're super reliable and perfect for our use case where we have 1080p cameras that need to be connected over such a long distance. Awesome to see a video on this kind of stuff!
We used to use little powered HDMI to RJ45 adapter boxes for our old cameras (for when we have to livestream events). But we found that to be extremely unreliable, no matter how much we spent on those adapter boxes. Some of them literally caught fire. Thankfully we got new cameras that are much better and have SDI so we can just run SDI over those long distances.
We also use HDBaseT for all of our built-in projectors and Extron systems that are all PoE.
It's really cool how things exist for all kinds of longer-distance cabling for different use cases. Obviously some work better than others.
this showcase felt so homey and good vibes, loved limit testing all the way out in the plot!
Those Ezco usb extenders are really sweet, I used them in my capstone engineering project to connect cameras over a long distance. You can use passive poe injection on the cat5 lines to power the receiver too which is a nice bonus (if your injecting higher than 5V youll need an active splitter on the other end to get it back down to 5V).
Why that instead of PoE IP cameras though? Both solutions would roughly be in the same price range. (Unless you already had a bunch of existing equipment.)
You can also skip half of that process by buying Digi modules which virtualize USB ports. The receiving computer just needs to have their software installed and configured and then your USB devices are seen as such on the target computer. So basically, you can turn USB cameras into IP cameras in a sense.
@@fitybux4664 we had existing cameras that we borrowed to keep in budget, otherwise this would’ve been a better solution
could you explain how you can power the hub with PoE? not sure i understand completely. can i use a PoE injector and then go straight into receiver without their 5v adapter?
@@azzybishThat's exactly how that works indeed. You can inject at one end and it will power the device at the other end. And in the case of a small hub, you don't really have to case about what power PoE injector or switch you have.
I love this video! But I would like to see cheap options that have HDMI/DP and USB
Ngl I'd love to see a video on KVM switches for the home user. Like with the devices in this video, they're either cray expensive, or cheap and yet you have little ability to really figure out ahead of time if they're worthwhile or not (some are better than others in terms of documentation and feature and setup explanation).
Yes same for me
Yeah, I don't understand the point of taking the mouse all the way to where the screen is no longer visible. We've seen tech demos of extenders before.
There are cheap options for HDMI over Ethernet.
@@JFHeroux I wouldn't say cheap. If you don't care much for the quality then sure, but assuming its for gaming and you want at least HDMI 2.0, its around $200 or more for a transmitter and receiver unit.
Just saying, this video felt like an original LTT video. I appreciated all the work that went into this. and look forward to more in the future.
i worked in a theater and ran their video department. the entire building was built in 08 and was wired with cat5e everywhere, like in a good way. i had my video control room on the 3rd floor and the stage was on one. i needed a slide advancer that would work across that kind of distance and the only solutions were 4-6 hundred dollars. i got that same exact monoprice adapters and used the built in cabling and patch bay to put the receiver for our cheap logitech slide advancer on stage with my playback machine still up on 3. saved the company hundred of dollars.
i am sorry, but what kind of real world application would it be to just run a mouse/keyboard combination without a videofeed to a monitor over long distances? :)
The only thing I could think of. Add the HDMI to the mix. In that way, you could have your PC connected to your room but use it in the living room and make your TV your Display and Mouse and Keyboard wherever you go. If there are others, I guess am not that linus tech sawy
@@BoscoValdenegro They specifically mention moving your whole PC several times, but the HDMI is sort of a separate issue. It has more conductors than network cable and tight signaling requirements, but also active cables are more common.
Why not test display options? The video speaks of putting a computer in another room, but then only keyboard/mouse was tested
Its explained at the beginning of the video
@@wesley718 no not really
I think the video was more intended as exploring the peripheral options than a comprehensive how-to of a remote PC, but active HDMI is both more common than active USB, and the tight signaling requirements plus more conductors than network cable mean you can’t really run it over alternative cabling without an expensive encoder.
I only needed something that could reach the next room and this worked great. For the display, a 25ft HDMI cable was long enough for what I need,and it's great working in silence now. Much better than running multiple powered USB extensions underneath the doors.
I bought a couple of StarTech USB3AAEXT10M active USB cables, 32 feet long. They work great.
Love the "Let's try it within spec first"
He learned the hard way already lol
Linus - Have I been doing the expensive way for no reason?
Also Linus - I spent 10 grand on my wifi!
.... $10k on wifi is not outrageous for a Ruckus system...
yeah, is no for no reason, but youtube will delete this comment for the real reason. Is a word that almost caused LTT to be cancelled, but that almost happened anyway, but describes Linus thinking very well
@@keomg4718uh, what?
This channel is like a dream come true to my nerd brain. Thank you for everything you have given us over the years, we love you Linus!
At work we needed some analog audio connections to a location where we had no infrastructure... but we had some unused cat cables to a network cabinet for both places. So I whipped out the soldering iron, cut a 5m Cat5 cable in half and soldered some XLR-Jacks/Plugs to the open ends. Works like a charm!
With the added benefit, that now I can get analog audio over the whole complex if I really needed it! 👍(as long as I can directly patch them to that place...)
Got here so fast i couldn't even find the video in the LTT YT directory
The RJ45 female-to-female also adds a solid 10 meters worth of cable in signal loss. If you had a proper 100m cable I wouldn’t be surprised if it still worked given what we saw here
I had the living room PC in a closet. It was connected to the TV with a 15m HDMI cable and I chained a bunch of USB extension cables for other devices up to 18m of length. The cheapo fiber HDMI lost signal for a few seconds once or twice a day but other than that no issues. 120hz 4k worked, I had USB3 speeds and even oculus link worked flawlessly. Total cost wasn't even too bad, around 100€.
It would've been cool to see this kind of setup taken to the extreme and presented as an alternative to netwok cables.
We use one of those devices for a videocall setup. There is a tv and a Lodgitech meet camera on one side and a docking station on the other side. It transfer hdmi for the tv and usb for the camera. It works great and didn't cost much. The ports each go to the server room and we just connected the ports in the patch pannel with a small cat6 cable. When someone has a videocall meeting, they can just plug their laptop in the docking station and turn the tv on.
Linus choosing the expensive over the jank?? I never thought id see the day😢😢
Makes more money off the affiliate purchase with the higher priced option… 😂
The expensive option was provided to him for "free". (Well, at the cost of shilling it to you, the viewer.)
@@fitybux4664Not like we can afford it anyway nor would we have a use for it unless we owned a business
I got the monoprice dealio you used there a few years ago and got around most of the limitations by connecting a powered hub to the end of it. That + long-ass hdmi cable gets me my desktop in whatever room I want. The possibilities are endless! like ya said :p
I'm so glad you are still making these videos. I would have been upset with the internet if you got taken down by Overblown Drama.
Best video I've seen in a while! Also testing if the time stamp on your metrics is send time or "initiate text" time. Do you get these metrics?
While the Corning optical cable didn't support USB 2, some optical cables can do both USB 3.2 Gen 2 AND USB 2.0, such as the Logitech Strong USB cables. Admittedly they can also be pretty eyewateringly expensive, but I picked up a couple of used 10m cables on eBay a while back for £80 each.
There are also non-optical cables that can run pretty far with repeaters (basically hubs) built into the cable. One such brand is MutecPower and I have a 10m and 20m cable from them that work for USB 3 Gen 1 and USB 2. Just be aware with these that you can't reliably operate with more than 5 hubs on a cable, and some ports on your computer may be connected to additional hubs internally that prevent the longest repeater cables from working properly.
The thing that makes me leery of these things - particularly when mentioning the wires in the wall - is to just make sure you're plugging the right thing into the right thing when they all have the same RJ45 connector. You probably don't want power-over-ethernet hitting one of the USB adapters by mistake
Shouldn't be a problem, PoE only turns on when it senses a device that supports it on the other side
thats why its important to label your jacks
That's really sweet you guys done a video about this. I have barely the same thing in my setup because I was getting tired of my loud pc (And I,m not anymore that cool kid who simply get hype by rgb color). And I got like 300ft of Cat6 for 20bucks few years ago so they now have a use to be stripped.
the cut to the cctv footage timelapse was a very fun cutaway! do more! they are neat : )
Would this not have been a perfect moment to use the cable signal tester too? see if anything funky happens?
Would be nice to see some more in-depth stuff, given that the lab has the equipment now
I tried putting my PC in another room and it worked till my cats started eating the cables and my bedmate tripped once.
I used a 25 foot HDMI Cable and a powered USB3 extender to a USB3 4 to 1 hub all for about 40 bucks.
I just finished building out my closet under my stairs for my server. Looking at possibly moving our computers out of our bedroom into the server rack. We will need just about 40ft total of cable length for everything but I really want to try and make it work. My wife has a dual stream pc setup so it might be a bit more complicated to get working right. Going to try with my computer first and see what happens. Planning on using powered cables for just about everything and keystones for the usb, hdmi, and DisplayPort. We’ll see what happens!
This video should be helpful in helping us evaluate different solutions.
as a firmware engineer I love getting some mentions of fpga in the tech youtube sphere, even if its only a quick one
Remember the resistance in copper cables before using TP for audio. It's not just as easy as switching between IP and analog speakers.
For line-level signals the cable resistance doesn't matter. If you're running speakers directly, put strands in parallel. 4 pairs of 24awg Cat5 cable is about equivalent to 2-conductor 18awg which is certainly fine for shorter speaker runs. For longer runs the series resistance will mainly decrease volume but will also slightly affect the frequency response due to non-ideal speaker impedance. Unless you need super-high fidelity this is probably fine. If all the runs to one area are similar length you probably won't be able to notice, and you can largely eliminate the effect with an equalizer if needed.
0:27 no onscreen "this is a mouse" correction label. Unacceptable error, video unwatchable.
After quite literally searching for a solution last night, this video could not have come at a better time for resolving my USB challenges.
In the near-ish future, I'm going to be re-doing my office, and am considering tools like this. So this was really helpful, thank you :)
Capacitance of the copper cable would maybe a good thing to add when it comes down to length. At a certain stage there is just to much signal loss, besides issues with noise etc.
Impedance
capacitance isn't very important, what's important is square root of capacitance times impedance (speed of light in cable). I don't know about twisted pair, but standard BCA coax is about 1/3 of c, which gives nanosecomds of latency (i even did such experiments during my degree) for 50m wire.
Impedance is important for signal reflection. I guess impedance matching is what magic box does.
@@janmarucha9138 Correct, although if the capacitance of the cable becomes to high, the signals themselves will be very low because of the lowpass filter effect.
Impedance matching is always a must.
I have a LOT of USB devices, many running high bandwidth loads, so I had to take a slightly different approach when designing my solution.
You nearly touched on it with the Corning cables, but you can get lesser known brands of USB-C 10gps fiber cables for about $130 out to 50ft. Combined with some daisy chained powered USB-C hubs on the desk and I don't have to worry about A vs C, 2.0 vs 3.1, etc. while only running a single cable. These also exist for both HDMI and DisplayPort cables that will do 4k 120hz. All-in I was able to remote two monitors and a dozen USB devices for less than a single of those Corning or Thunderbolt cables.
I did run into a 'fun' problem though. The electric-optical conversion chips happily let me drive my monitors at 144hz and 165hz. Several hours later I started getting strange artifacts, then the monitor would disconnect and reconnect at a lower resolution, until finally I got no signal at all. It turns out that the monitor's back panel design was creating a pocket of heat, and combined with driving the frequency of the conversion chip well past its designed spec I managed to kill a fiber optic cable by overclocking it!
We use those ezcoo kvms in our OB truck, allows us to access the different computers in the engineering racks from anywhere in the production suite
Akshually, 12:00 the cable does care what runs over it. Depending on the TP twist rate, inter conductor distance and jacket material, the characteristic impedance changes and may be out of spec for whatever signal your trying to run. It just so happens that both USB and ethernet can run on similar cables. USB being 90 Ohm+-15% and Ethernet being 100+-15 Ohm.
Also shielding doesn't really protect a twisted pair, the TP itself makes the signal mostly immune to EMI, the shielding is for EMC reasons, protecting other non-TP conductors from the EMI of the TP cable.
And in that situation, the cable still doesn't care. The signal does, but the cable doesn't.
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*"Get Nord VPN" scrolls past. Lol but yea that threw me off too. I almost guarantee they will mention it on the next Wan show
to continue the USB adventures i wonder if you could use those massive USB hubs and tons of flash drives to make a flash drive raid array and see how fast it can go.
Loveing the new content don't know ifs post gn but seems a lot more relaxed and I feel more relaxed watching
the part were they are running inside combined with the sound of their footsteps got me good 9:29
Same 😂
4:06 I'd love to see these devices and the HDMI extenders tested in your fancy cable tester @LTT
Yeah funny isn't it? They get a fancy cable tester then made something like two videos using it and maybe a little cameo from time to time.
okay real quick, hold up. 5:30 to 5:45. Well fricken done Linus, you took the time to actually cover this properly and covered your bases with this video. This is a very positive sign in the right direction from what we were worried about before. You rock dude.
I wonder if this was filmed before the production break
tape delay my dude
@@thomasphillips885 who knows
@@thomasphillips885 Basing off the fact they're using a 2 month old version of USB Tree Viewer. (They're using 3.8.7 The latest is 3.8.9) I would say so.
Actually put one of those Ezcoos in a screening room because the more fancy one we had, used multiple hubs and we were hitting our hub limit in the chain. All good now though with the Ezcoo. :D
Been using the Ezcoo for over a year for my mouse / keyboard / headphones. Haven’t had any issues with it.
Isn’t this exactly what one of his employees did in the extreme tech upgrade? Just put it in a different room
Yes this is very similar you are right.
Its that concept explained
Hide your system in another room so you don't have a big box sitting on your desk ... only to put a bunch of other boxes on your desk. 🤪😜😝
Having my gaming pc in another room or, like I prefer, my cool basement close to my ISP hookup.
I have done this for 20 yrs, not because I hate the noise or heat or ... other. I have always been a minimalist and do not like a lot of clutter.
As of now, I sit in a recliner with a dual monitor setup swing arm. With currently, just a couple of 3.1 usb and one dp, and two HDMI cables from the basement. Attached to my gaming pc, and currently used console. 2.1 sound system under the recliner, and along the swing arm.
Great setup.
We used a USB to Ethernet converter to send data signal to and from an Arduino along a 60ft tether for an underwater ROV. They work great for certain use cases!
I've been considering moving my pc to my closet, but I'd be concerned that mouse/keyboard input would have notably added latency or choppiness. I think this is a much more realistic use case for most people and I'd love to see some testing or commentary on latency, reliability, and general feel of these different methods.
We’ve got some pricey units at work that do AV, Ethernet, and USB and the latency is basically 0ms. Haven’t messed with any of the super cheap USB ones in quite a while but I can’t say I’ve ever noticed latency with the powered units.
electricity moves at almost the speed of light, so long as the signal is strong enough, it's not going to be a issue in terms of latency. the biggest issue is always the display. Mouse\keyboard uses almost no data, even usb 2 is overkill for them, the display on the other hand uses a TON of data. While hdmi and displayport both spec 50 foot max, it seems the practical limit is 25, and that has to include cable routing.
@@animefreak5757 hmmm. The speed at which energy or signals travel down a cable is actually the speed of the electromagnetic wave traveling along (guided by) the cable. In copper wire, the speed of electricity is approximately 3.2 m/s at 60 Hz. The speed of light is 299,792,458 m/s.
Disregarding that, isn't the ICRON solution doing some coding/de coding of the signal? Doesn't that processing introduce some latency?
Have the sound insulated room with computers directly next to the room you'll use them from. Then, stay within the manufacturer specs for HDMI cables and USB cables. (Just get plain extension cables.) It will be "boring" without fancy $1,500.00 boxes, but your wallet will thank you.
@@HrvojeMikovic not much, i did a google for speed of electricity and it was 90% the speed of light in copper. The 3.2m\s you suggest i don't think could be right in the context we are talking. If that were so even a 3m cable would introduce a full second of delay. The shortest common monitor cable i know of is 3ft, or 300ms of delay if that were true, then you would have to add another 300ms for the usb cable on the keyboard\mouse.
I get where your coming from, but the hardware is just so much faster than you think. I live on the west coast (NA), i just pinged a server in the EU and got 150ms. That's many thousands of km and who knows how many switch's and servers and such (dozens at least)
An important disadvantage of the cheaper options you didn't mention is that they won't work with a network switch in the line. Many households only have one RJ45 connection per room, so if you want wired ethernet and USB you need an expensive protocol transpiler. 😕
The audio has been better lately. I loved the video because I've been doing this for ten years. Just gonna mention Gamers Nexus is your competitor and you guys did well with the criticism. Thank you for improving all around.
super useful this may help with an issue im having with a gaming vm with cheap xbox clone controllers i think maybe to close to each other so super thanks guys great job!
The real question for the whole channel is this videos title
You guys inspired me to do something similar, but on a smaller scale. I haven't pulled the trigger yet, but I plan to put my computer in the closet, and run a USB 3.2 cable to a docking station on my desk, along with a Displayport cable for my main monitor. Bye-bye rat's nest, hello leg room.
Make sure the closet has good ventilation or a good size to it, or you will leave performance behind… I wanted to do the same thing, but my closet had no breathing room.
I actually use this for my setup! I have a long HDMI cable coming from my room to the living room and my usb 2.0 hub over ethernet. I'm glad Linus made a video on this because only a very niche crowd needs this and the answers on reddit and such are never straightforward.
i moved my pcs upstairs a few months ago, no more heat or fan noise, so peaceful,
normal usb hubs are plenty if your run is short :)
This may be just me but I have noticed a more methodical pace to the recent LTT videos and I love it!!! I am a nerd and actually like to learn from a lot of the vids so the slightly slower pace is great. But again it may be just me lol😅
Probably imagining it. See the most recent WAN. Only a few of the videos are actually shot after the break. They just generally make good videos.
2:04 some clever either splicing or AI Linus voice to cover up a mistake in production. Glad to see that they're making it a little bit easier for the people who only listen to the videos and don't watch them to get the correct information
A long time ago, I wired a couple of cat6 cables into usb 2 terminations so I could still plug usb storage devices into my server from my office/living room. I used a powered hub on the server side. Worked very well.
Thanks Linus for this. I was wondering how I could make my main gaming rig broadcast output from the TV to another monitor downstairs.
10:52 - single female, you said?
Linus: We halt production for a week to make sure we deliver tech information as correct as possible from now on
Also Linus: 0:26
As an ELV engineer which 50% of work is in the field of CCTV systems installation. Let me just say that this is a whole game changer which will solve they issue of CCTV rack being in one room and the reception/security guard monitor being at the main entrance. Before we used to either use HDMI extender which won’t provide any sort of controlling (footage checking, zooming, etc.) or we used ro install a dedicated PC at the reception disk with software of the CCTV system in order to have controlling over the system. With this we can now avoid any of these issues and also have a clean setup at the reception disk with only monitors and mice.
I used to use the IOgear version of this to have my HTC Vive set up in another room to my PC. Worked great and latency was low enough to run VR over it. Got the benefits of room-scale VR in a large room without having to lug the PC around everywhere.
Latency? Every time they do one like this they never mention the latency, which has me suspicious. I mean, maybe it's fine. But I think it's odd they don't talk about it.
Would there be latency? Remember RJ45 and Optic runs are very fast, close to speed of light fast
It's fiber optic. Just by being fiber optic means that latency probably won't be an issue
I have one of those 4 port hubs and it's ok, I didn't measure the latency like LMG can do btw
@@TheSilverrMC The latency wouldn't be from the cable but from the processing of converting the signals.
Let’s go!
I would love to work at LTT 😊
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Why
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why not , I love electronic and have been doing abunch of stuff like this channel all my life even became an electrician out of this passion of electric devices.
Seems like a lots of fun and discoveries on my part , I meen if you follow this chanel there a part of you that already know the answer of the question you asked me lol.@@adxzkj6046
@@jax1492 lol
Linus! I've noticed on a few video's where for some reason the audio drops down then comes back up. I'm sure you have noticed but I wanted to share... 2:22. thank you for all your hard work!
I’ve been using USB over ethernet box for around 7-8 years with zero issues. Latency is not noticeable to me at all and I have it on a 100ft Cat 5 cable. Pretty sure I only paid about $30 back in the day. Then I ran a separate 100ft fiber optic HDMI 2.1 cable. At the time, that was $450 for the off-brand cable. Yes it still hurts how much it costed me but at least it still works. I play games on my 4k 120hz OLED tv in the living room no problem.
Okay so you got your keyboard and mouse in another room, what about your monitor? I'm only asking because of the big deal made on the intro about moving your pc to another room.
he's made half a dozen videos about him having his PC in another room. watch the last section of the video before you comment something dumb
There are similar devices that use Cat6a cables to extend HDMI
@@stackhack No, being Dumb is assuming everyone has seen every video ever made, Dumb is starting a video out saying take your PC and move it to another room, and only showing moving the Keyboard and mouse, and not even mentioning OTHER videos if so on the remainder. So before you start foaming at the mouth, troll elsewhere.
Dark Brandon will rule the world by 2030
This is the way.
Dark Brandon can't even string together a complete sentence but go off
I've had my gaming PC in the other room for years to accommodate PCVR. 2x 15 meter fiber DP extensions and a 10 meter active repeated USB 3.0 extension. It was only like $250, probably cheaper now. The original idea was to keep the PC at my desk and run extensions to the VR, it was fine at first but eventually the headset showed visual noise artifacts. Turns out my monitors don't mind the extensions though so I turned the setup around with the PC near the VR, smooth sailing ever since.
This was really cool, and I enjoyed the labs demo of the solution they built!
Been using one of those hubs for years they’re great. Tried the Nvidia shield but it’s pretty derpy to have a sick gaming PC in your office and put up with input lag/a visual hit on the OLED in your living room. One of these hubs + a fiber optic HDMI 2.1 cable gets the job done perfectly for like $150-200 depending on the distance you need
I've seen lots of 'active' USB 2.0 and 3.0 cables ranging up to 50ft. Would be curious how these operate in comparison. I know a guy who used a 50ft UBS 3.0 for a rackmount PC and it seemed to work just fine.
I've been doing this for a while. Not quite as high tech as Linus. I have two 15m DP cables running to the living room from the computer room. I also have a powered USB 2.0 cable running to a hub where I plug in my Keyboard, Gamepad and Mouse wireless dongles. Works great and my living room is silent.
Is that the Awkward Steve Duology guy? Love that duology!
Tanner coming in and pitching parts to Linus lmao well done
great vid! i remember when you set up your server in your old house and had your pc in another room. i would love a detailed video on doing a set up like that. but with testing. setting up your pc in a spare room but having your desk and set up in another. what does it take, how much does it cost. whats the cons, is there a performance hit ect.
I have used RJ45 for my RGBW "build-in" lights in my living room. I couldn't drill holes in the ceiling, so I had to 3D print a mount and the control box would make the light way too extruded, so I cut the wire between the lamp and the controller and put a keystone on either end and ran a flat RJ45 cable to the controller. Works like a charm and the power draw are within specs of the RJ45 cable for those wondering.
Yep, the defacto broadcast industry standard for audio interconnect is called Studiohub+, and it's literally just audio on cat5. Super cheap, super easy, and the twists in cat5 ensure high quality isolated signals over long distance. For analog audio, balanced audio, and AES digital audio. We don't really run XLRs or 1/4 inch jacks to anything except old equipment.