10 Gigabit Networking - I wanna go fast. Really, really fast.
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- I decided it was time for a networking upgrade here at the office, and I would NOT settle for second best. So, full 10 gigabit it is!
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It's crazy to think that in 4 years, 10GbE has become so affordable.
Even 40Gb isn't too bad, with used equipment, though the cables are exxy - planning to go 40Gb between my servers, and then 10Gb to my desktop.
@Bald new you pretty much get what you pay for - want better than 1050ti you'll need to pay for better than 1050ti. A used GTX 970 should be similar in cost but a lot faster. Slightly more for a GTX 980.
Well it is now
@@ruripapi that's literally what I said...
Then look now
DESK COMPUTER BUILD LOG HYPE
Came out like 20 min ago
+Ben G I don't see it (vessel doesn't count)
+Bainanaz I actually pay monthly
+Bainanaz It's cheap per month ,plus better compression when downloading
+Ben G AH OK
We want *Scrapyard Wars 3!*
+BloodMaster If you don't know. They're working on it.
+BloodMaster and austin is on it as well!!! this is better be good
Bloode obozavam tvoj kanal
+BloodMaster Odkud ti tu :D?!??!
+BloodMaster Saw on his twitter that they finished shooting the finale today! Gonna start soon!
Thats the kind of vid i subscibed for, detailed, visual walkthrough, real world results. THANK YOU !
Not sure how people watch this video and come to the conclusion that they have a 10Gbps link to their ISP.
The 10Gbps speeds are just for their internal network. Their "Internet" speed I imagine is just standard business fibre at 1Gbps
+NoZephy I do remember on one of Linus's videos, he said "200Mbit up and down"
Yeah the amount of people in the comments comparing this to their internet speeds is too damn high xD
+NoZephy Standard business fibre at 1Gbps? HA ! Maybe in the Eastern world.
Casey Stellar
Well yeah it depends where your business is located but business's get the option of paying outright to get a leased connection installed, even if it is ridiculously expensive.
NoZephy It just isn't common here in the states.. Maybe California but, businesses typically get shit speeds countrywide..
Show me that desk/pc build
It's coming
+LinusTechTips lol i know, and its going to be insane
+Cory Allen Vessel.
+Cory Allen Ha, I already saw it on vessel!
+LinusTechTips Btw Linus, what do you think about a video comparing nvidia Shield streaming to the Moonlight stream app on a random tablet/phone that is compatible with nvidia gamestream?
This is awesome, I'm currently in the middle of putting together my own fast Home network! Thanks for all of the tips and tricks!
I'd love to get some 10 gigabit between my PC and NAS, but I'd need to upgrade the card in the NAS, my switch, the cabling, and the NIC in my PC - so essentially every piece of hardware involved :P lol
I've been really waiting for some coverage on this topic.
I picked up a couple SFP+ cards and a cable to run between my 2 main studio rigs and am setting up a 10gbe connection between them, but I've yet to find an "affordable" 10gb switch for my budget, haha.
I'm surprised that the video is again washed out :/
You guys have a problem with a monitor calibration or someone doesn't know what they're doing...
It doesn't destroy the video, but it's not very pleasing to watch :(
Edit: Mistakes happen, that's normal, but I would hope you guys get it under control soon.
+sawyer ptak Dude, it's a legitimate criticism. Fuck off.
+Queen Bitch KaNoMiko your right, after the intro at 0:45 it is particularly washed out.
Washed out for me too on all my computers, pads... please fix the lighting situation
it's not that it's washed out, it's confirming video levels for the web.. the have color calibrated monitors and use certain colors so that it's easier to distinguish whites and Black's and details in the shadows and highlights are preserved.. otherwise you lose data in the video and lose video quality as well
+jack black It's actually a lack of contrast. Most people set up their cameras to shoot as much latitude as possible to give more headroom in color correction. This has probably just been rushed out. Skin tones look a little weird, probably down to LED lighting which can ave a really poor CRI. Tbh, it's not worth complaining about, but the tech world is filled with pedants.
Great tips! Helped increase my 10Gbit speeds from 360MB/sec to 1.1GB/Sec. Keep it coming!
I thoroughly enjoy these prosumer videos. I feel like it's a higher tier of youtube that almost no one else does (well enough). Great work and I hope you can figure out to untap the full potential of your beast network!
Anyone know where exactly they get their stock photos from? So gold.
Yeah
And now surplus SFP+ NICs can be had for
Go get 48 port SFP+ switch.
Linus. Thank you soooooo much for educating me. This will greatly help with my IT studies.
still miss the kitchen but it's great that you guys have grown so much since I've been subscribed to you guys!
We are waiting for the 40Gig upgrade😜😁
Does this switch have shared or dedicated port buffers? And it's probably not non-blocking ( overbooked backplane ). Also watch out with jumbo frames. It can improve throughput, but I have seen very wierd cases with iscsi and nfs where packets were dropped because of unexpected packet sizes.
In your case with native SMB3 please check the tcp window frame sizing. You can tune your nics with netsh.
Awesome set guys!
Nice video, Sir! Not too long, not too short, informative, *and* entertaining!
2019 and finally I can afford 10 gigabit switch.
why is everyone going on about internet speeds? he is mainly using it for LAN. So production guys can transfer/work with large files from the fileserver.
Exactly.
+Tyler Taupe It's like watching one of those powerline adapter reviews. comment section. "CAN I GET FREE INTERNET WITH THESE?!?!?!"
norge696 Yeah, I have never seen any videos about them but obviously the uneducated would assume really dumb things.
G linus! I had the same idea for a while now and you`ll actually do it! great!
You guys should do more networking videos. I think you guys are very entertaining and believe you could bring some humor to the subject that could make it less painful.
the people who visit this channel are already kinda into tech stuff, and yet so many of them don't even know what this video is talking about and start comparing their internet speeds to this, makes one wonder what knowledge the general public has on these kind of stuff.
+footwearfoot I feel they are either all trolls or did not watch the video. lol
they must not know the difference
First, this is NOT an attack on your comment. It always amazes me also at what some people are totally oblivious to.
Not everyone who watches this channel has a computer tech ability at all. Many watch this channel to try to learn about specific technologies to increase their knowledge. So yeah, the general public may be into using computers, but many have no working concept of how or why they work. Many people do not even understand the differences between RAM and what a Hard Drive is. It is all storage in many people's minds. Add SSD, which really is memory, and you have completely lost them. Forget about even more basic concepts like BIOS and what ROMs are.
It comes down to what a person really wants to do with a computer. If they have no interest in programming, they typically will never learn basic programming concepts. If they have no interest in how the computer works inside, they often will never learn what the basic components and terms are. If you just drive a car for transportation, you may not know what size your engine is, how many cylinders it has, or even what type, or where the oil goes! It is human nature to not be concerned about what does not matter to you. Who knows what they ate for breakfast 2 weeks ago? Who knows their cholesterol levels? Who knows their blood type? How about all the birth dates of everyone in the family? These are all basic points of information, but unless a person actually cares about them, it is unlikely they will know the answers.
Years ago, the government was horrified at the revelation that people were so illiterate, that many did not know how to even set the clock on their VCRs! It gets very old to set a clock all the time, you do not need, since you may never use the VCR for timer recording. Especially when power bumps occur and it has to be done again EVERY time! People did not know how to set the time, because it did not matter to them. Many people are the same with Microwave Ovens today!
At the same time, many of these people have amazing skills at things I would never want to know, such as being medical physicians and molecular biologists (I think there is such a field right?), and even more basic needed skills such as physical strength and endurance to build and maintain our roads and freeways! We are all different, and the best goal is to help each other as needed, and be willing to also accept help from others. We can all learn, and we can all teach. It just depends on what the topic is at the time.
I think most come here expecting one thing and just start tearing through the comments without listening to what Linus is saying.
Have you tried disabling UDP/TCP offload and Large Send Offload for IPv4 and IPv6?
I know I've had similar problems with Hyper-V where TCP/UDP offload severely throttles network speeds because it's offloading work to the CPU.
Disable TCP Checksum Offload (IPv4 & IPv6)
Disable UDP Checksum Offload (IPv4 & IPv6)
Disable Large Send Offload (IPv4 & IPv6)
Disable IPv4 Checksum Offload
+Tom Martin If that offload isn't buggy as hell, turning it off should *slow down* the network.
Hi Linus, I remember I made some tests on my 1 Gbit Local network and I figured out that pulling data is faster than pushing. this said in my own words describing what I figured out. an example : you are on machine 1 > cut or copy a file from machine 2 and paste it on machine 1 ( pulling) is much faster than (Pushing). Pushing > you are still on machine one > cut or copy an item from machine one and paste it on machine two while you are still on machine 1 ( pushing to machine 2) is slower
Thank you very much square space ❤️
why do colors look washed out? is it just me?
+fcoronel1 cause of the green screen?
This isn't green screened.
+fatbloke have you watched the moving blog m8 it ain't green screen there not using them anymore and actually haven't in ages
yea probably cause the background is too far back that it has kinda the same effect as a green screen
rendering in premiere will cause washed up colors sometimes
0:23 Every time Linus says something like "on the subject of" or "speaking of" I am conditioned to think it's going to be about a sponsor.
simbot15 its his job
Linus, not sure if its the extra confidence or space the new office has give you - but dam - you presentation skills are on fire, 30% better I would say - love it
I like the new set. I was worried you were gonna go with a green screen, and the set would be devoid of personality.
So I could get here from the Forum but the YT channel doesn't have this listed under videos? I'm confused....
@5:25 that unplugging of a fan. FeelsGoodMan
+Saelaniify It's unlisted. I think what they do is upload videos at an earlier time and release it to the public around midnight PST.
+Derrick Lee its to get the quality up to 1080p. If they don't private it first, it's low quality (360p)
Thats an amazing network Linus. Can tell you're proud...you should be. Gratz man. Gratz.
You are the best friend of starter I.T. engineers, Linus. We love you
He's talking about transferring data from one computer in the building to another not downloading from the internet how are so many people confusing this?
Watching Linus run with the tub of cables. 🤣😂🤣
love the new set
99% of this went completely over my head, and I loved it
holy christ.
Network speed =/= internet speed.
Network speed is the data rate between their in house servers and computers, i.e. moving videos from one machine to another.
Internet speed is what you use for downloading crap off the internet.
yes
JgHaverty 3
i thought wifi = internet and now you're telling me even network speed =/= internet. Gosh i need to process this xD *sarcasm*
Holy Christchurch!
DxCBuG Can I use this to download more facebooks?
GOTTA GO FAST
UR 2 SLO!
I would look into TCPchimney offloading as well, this helps to offload the processing from the CPU to the NIC card processor (ASIC chip) which is a much more capable processor for packet switching.
Run a search for TCP Chimney offload
A friend of mine shared one of your videos two days ago on facebook, and i'm slowly falling in love with this channel. Just awesome stuff here. I might actually try to assemble something as epic as you guys do.
PD: I'm planning to build a render farm on the next year. Basically multiple boards connected any tips?
and here i'm sitting at 10 Mb/sec...
+TheAlienpope 4mbps reporting in
Here I am with 2mb
+Sam Bilney 12mbps here.
30mbps :/
+TheAlienpope 10KB/sec Dial Up reporting in lol
People in the comments need to understand this isn't internet speeds. It's their internal network from their group of computers. Basically used for fast file transfer throughout the office.
I would love to work for you all. Seems like such a busy and yet fun place to work. Thanks for the awesome videos!!!!
Most of the times I have no idea what he is saying. But I love watching those videos !
I love how he just ran at the servers with a tub of ethernet cables...
2:56 Isn't that Doc's drawing of the "Flux Capacitor" in Back to the Future ?
Loved editing effect at 1:52 how camera pans with the hand! :D
I have always been told that networks at that speed can not be actually handled due to the length of the able, if you ping one PC to the other you will get
Ok but.. where is my DDR8?
Anyone else notice he unplugged something from the testbench around 5:22?
yeah he did
literally read your comment right as it happened. slides it out of the way like a pro and keeps going. lol
Traetuus s
yea lol.
I was reading this and missed it happening lol
The one thing I can think about with having this much speed is virtualization especially if you want to stream enterprise apps to all of your users as well as doing a NAS setup.
Nice. I was so worried about my old cat5e network when i got my 300mbit internet but it could handle it. Even tho most of the internet is lagging behind (pretty much only steam can do those speeds) its clear that you shouldnt invest in less than cat6. These very high speeds also question if you really need large local space as you can pull data so fast from afar that itll feel like its "local on a old hdd" or similar.
Evil Vessel spoilt Everything!!!
since when?
Then don't go to Vessel? I'm perfectly happy watching Linus videos on youtube, delayed or not.
+Xuvial Sylvester You're happy not directly supporting Linus?
Lumia Vessel is shit and their mobile app sucks balls. I support Linus through youtube and the majority of his subs are doing that.
+Xuvial Sylvester I like the vessel app more than the new CZcams layout, considering that it is a band new service it will only get better with time. also no need to deal with Google bullshit
How many Mbps does your network run at?
ITS OVER NINE THOUSAAAANNDDD!!!!!!!
I don't care about video quality, I come to this channel for information quality. I work at best buy, so what I gather will go towards helping others that come to my store.
LOVE THIS
FYI: Jumbo Frames is a horrible creation. It scales very poorly, especially with respect to switch resource usage, and it gives you no benefit when you are transferring small files. Naturally the overhead is multiplied greatly whenever packet loss occurs congesting what is already an unstable link even further. In theory the maximum difference in performance on a 10Gb link with or without Jumbo Frames for large payloads would be in the area of 5-6% meaning that the maximum benefit they should give you is 75 MB/s faster transfer. While that is a noticeable difference it does not explain what you are seeing. I would wager that the other changes you made to the NIC, number of CPU threads and to a lesser degree the send buffers, had a much larger impact.
So lets see, the comments thus far, the video is washed out, this is something that people care about obviously because they incessantly go on about it. The next group can't comprehend the content so they ramble on about what they think it's about then another group has to explain to them what the actual content is about. Then you have the trolls who have such crappy lives they literally post stupidity where ever they can so they can show the world what an idiot looks like. I don't know how Linus does this for a living, the idjits out number the people you want watching your channel it seems.
My take on this video, it was well done as always, I could care less if it's washed out a bit, the channel and equipment are a work in progress. I don't watch Linus for perfectly done videos, I watch for the content. As for 10 gigabit, I'm hoping to make the move so at least my server and my main workstation have 10 gigabit connectivity and I hope to attain at least 500 megabyte transfers. I've been happy with 110 to 129 megabyte sustained transfers (the max Gigabit can hit) but ever since the move to NVMe and SSD's in the server, I need the speed!
+KlipschHead281 The only things these problems prove is Linus is getting popular. Who knows, he may advance to the point of disabling CZcams comments altogether
Ahem .. cough pewdiepie cough
MarioDragon I doubt anybody gets that far. :)
+KlipschHead281 A few of the top guys have...
MarioDragon Kudos to them, damn...
Got to see the build log!!!!
We have had 10 gig for years @ work, using sfp+ and om2 multimode fiber. If we are transferring lots of tiny files, the performance is never very good, single giant files are always fast. I'd check your server to see if any kind of read-ahead and write-back are enabled on the array. Stripe size of the raid(s) can also make a huge difference when writing. For giant files like you describe, I usually make an array w/512K stripes. The higher stripe size always seems to affect write speed, not so much read. I took a local ssd array and changed it from 64 to 512 and got 1600 - >2200 MB/'s difference on writes. Anyway, good luck on your 10gig network!
Stop asking for desk build log ,it's on vessel already,be patient scrubs
Internet speed ≠ local network
CreativePixels95 what's your point?
New set behind you......NIIICCCCE!
When you say "cat 6a cable" at 3:52 it makes my google home go nuts.
Why do you not try Linux on this setup?
(Because he doesn't know anything about computers, as evident from this video, and the channel is a commercial.)
teksyndicate got it working lol. phone wendell
Linus try taking the 2 test bench and link them with a crossover and see if your get full speed. It is possible that the switch or other networking gear could be causing issues
Linus ... Love the vids and all the helpful knowledge and tips on everything geek TY !!!, just 1 ? every vid i watch your always adjusting the volume on you mic?? in your pocket???? or keep getting tickled by text messages and notifications in your pocket??? not a complaint just a OCD kinda thing on my part ...... love the info and the vids!!!!!!!!!!
Microphone
"They are both somewhat affordable" 300$ - Damn it linus!
or Windows 10 doesn't want you transferring files that fast in the first place.... maybe they can't keep up with everyone's data if that becomes the norm... just an idea, wonder if Windows 7 or 8 or another OS would have similar transfer rates.
like a 'fine print' purposeful bottleneck...
It's mainly for connecting and sending and receiving to multiple devices
+James Fitz there are many free alternatives on linux. I've started using it a few weeks ago and It's absolutely lovely.
You know of the program Gimp, right? With the right plug-ins it can do exactly what photoshop can. You only have to learn the new enviroment. For every single program there is an alternative so the only reasons to not go, are
1. if you really need that specific program because of Creative Cloud or compatibility with other programs
2. if you wanna games. While there are many games supported by Linux, way more simply aren't and in my experience, playonlinux and wine (windows emulators on linux) give a fluctuating input lag up to 100ms, making many games that are about reaction time impossible to play.
Anyway, the reason I switched to linux is NOT because of privacy concerns, but because it's easy to program on and I love the interface and the update centre.
David,
Microsoft is NOT stealing your data so they can learn about your personal life. They are only gathering information that they can datamine (so all identity is fully lost when it's on the pile) to improve their own product, like handwriting recognition or improving on certain language aspects if you're not english. They keep some information of you, but that's only linked to your microsoft account and it doesn't store that much. Just your emails, some preferences, some settings and cookies. Also, they have been doing all of this since windows 8, they're just more transparent about it.
You want a real concern? Windows has a loophole in the system that allows microsoft to enter your PC and do anything with it what they want. They have had this ever since windows supported internet internally. This is also the reason virusses are so prominent on windows and nearly non-existent Linux and Mac. Now, how many times have you noticed somebody sneaking on your computer and changing your stuff? Never, right? Microsoft has this just for worst case scenarios. The only thing microsoft uses this for is for pushing important updates without you having to agree with them. Microsoft is the only legitimate OS where they install updates that require root access without you knowing it.
Microsoft would be daft to collect all of our individual data and our browsing habits, our favorite shopping sites, our fetishes, how cute you looked at that photo of you when you were 3 years old that your mother sent to you after you learned her how to use the scanner. This would require an absolute insane amount of storage for absolutely no gain. Microsoft is NOT big brothering us, they're just trying to improve your product and, instead of just taking the information, like in windows 8, they now give you the possibility to NOT give it.
PrimaPunchy Hmmmmm almost convincing ;) i know too much to shut my mouth and just keep typing ;) i agree and disagree with everything you mentioned.
Turning off the feature "remote differential Compression API support" increased my network transfer speeds on my LAN. It was just a standard Cat5e network with few hops involved. Somewhere machines on the same switch, vlan and subnet, others were across state.
Just an interesting notion to think of whening toying around; trying to tweak performance if random areas.
Keep the monster(s) running Linus.
I think I see your problem Linus, you're using Windows.
Yup, that's it.
that a good one... shame you have to *pay* for it.
pun intend
10gigabit is WEAK i want to see 100gigabit! Its not to expensive
+me eq NOT_GRAMMAR_NAZI
call lol wow just wow
I WANT 10000Tbit/SECOND!!!!!!
all jokes aside, it would be cool to see 40 Gbit/s networking :D
they have 1tbps in my time xD
PSHT... 100Eb/s, bitches.
The variation in the speed are due to the caching in memory. When you are reading from a server, to your machine with a lot of memory, you are actually writing to a cache in RAM, and OS writes back in background this data to the harddrive (or ssd). This means ssd/hdd is not a bottleneck. If you would actually copy very very big file (bigger than your memory), you will see the decrees in speed. The same happens when you read data back in opposite direction. You will be only able to read at a speed of sata3 interface, and not faster, unless it is already cached. But I guess, Windows is cleaning the cache in the background quiet quickly.
Me and my friend were amazed in 1994 November when we both got 28.8 modems. He came from a 14.4 and me a 2400. We were so excited to see the numbers spin on a file transfer. Then we found IceZmodeM and you could type to each other during file transfers!! TYPE. TO. EACH. OTHER!...So amazing.
In a city in NZ you can get 1GB/s internet speeds
and in some places in that town its up to
6GB/s
Luke Jamieson bullshit
That's horseshit.
which city brother
I'm in Auckland and I have gigabit lol
lol you guys on drugs we have it here in the us, xfinity has it for a fair price+
Maybe using a Linux or BSD would work better? I would never trust Windows for performance...
(Also, I am aware that there are others, but those are the ones I know that are best for networking)
Yeah apparently you don't know shit so shut the fuck up.
I suspect that it is time to use fiber optical cables to connect your systems together but you have to use qbit units on each end to interface the fiber optical cables into the electronics of the computers.
thumbs up for beating the table!
0:24 donald duck voice
And here I am with 3Mb internet T-T
+SIKORO #5 You should really be doing better than that in Germany of all places. Even 3G Mobile is faster than that O_o
I do have 20 symetric :p
but this video is about 10 gbits speed in their own networking (just betwen the computers at their office) not their internet speed (ips)
also to mention not to confuse gbits with gbytes
This isn't internet ISP speeds, this is internal network transfer speeds over LAN.
+Random_Red 100Mb/s internet...
I'm just a couple months behind you. Can't afford a switch, but I'm going a point to point network between my file server and my desktop. Just waiting for the new CPU to drop the now board in my server so I have the PCI-e ports needed. I ended up with Mellanox cards and SFP+ Multimode. The cards and SFP+s have gotten ridiculously cheap on ebay.
10Gbps networking has been in my roadmap for a year now. It sucks having to wait 3 hours for a file to transfer at 1Gbps speeds. I prewired with cat6A when I was doing the runs to my server.
And I just installed 10/100 Ethernet. I didn't even know there is 10Gbit/s until this Video :/
Is it me or does Linus talk really really fast in this video
He does, and his voice breaks more than my rj45 clip switches.
He always talks fast, especially when he gets excited!
I don't know the details of the server hardware configuration, but if my understanding is correct he's running FreeNAS, whith ZFS, on a hardware RAID array. That may be adding some IO delay. Enabling jumbo frames on the network would be the first step as he did, but I don't think the bottleneck was ever on the network because with wire speed switching you should have no trouble achieving max throughput.
oh yeah if your frame/MTU sizes are different, the individual frames will get broken up along the way and have to be reassembled, this will add tremendous overhead and in that case the bottle neck would be the network.
Always wanted to see a desk pc build.
imagine an ssd with a 1 tb cache
so... an ssd with another ssd as cache?
the said ssd should be as fast as ram or faster for it to be used efficently as cache which in this case is pretty much useless since ram for storage is already faster than any known type of storage
Levi Lapsley Gimme that cash/cache XD
(Not the same of course)
Its my bday, can I be on top?
+RunHao Lin I don't know what would be more surprising. Your comment ? Or if that's exactly what he/she wanted ?
I get 100% network utilization and the full 1gigabyte per sec network transfer speed. I have a Dell T5610 with the same INTEL NIC card mentioned in this video. I frequently transfer single files that are over 100GB in size to an 8 drive Synology Diskstation running a 24 TB RAID 5 setup(7 drives and 1 hot spare). The individual hard drives are the WD RED models. It took quite a bit of tuning and research but it is totally possible to hit 100% network utilization and ultimately achieve the performance you are looking for.
awesome...I can only dream about it
Intro: a byte is 8 bits not 10... (Kind of strange... Or is the remaining 2 gigabits for sending addresses and stuff?)
Plus it's 1,024 megabytes to be a gig.
+New American Fishkeeper funnily enough it actually isnt. You're referring to a 'mebibyte', but everyone calls them megabytes
@New American Fishkeeper
that's not a gigabyte, that's a gibibyte
Not 10, because 1->2->4->8.
It's more likely because you always have a certain overhead on any network. So you would never ever get 100% theoretical value. Hence why 80% better reflect what you can expect in real life
1Gigabyte has 1024 not 1000MB !!! plzz thos 24MB count!
+Fify Lv 1000*
actually they changed the standards like 17 years ago, 1 Gigabyte = 1000 Megabytes, but 1 Gibibyte = 1024 Mebibytes
Wow didnnt know that :(
+A CuteTeddyBear but gibibyte is
***** I said Gibibyte, not Gigibyte...
i don´t understand a thing he´s saying, but i just love watching these videos and listen to thousand complicated words he says :D
the brightness of this is really high, linus black shirt looks grey-ish instead of normal black
relax dude your going to bust a vein