Hasn't the US, in addition to Russia, also guaranteed the Ukraine's territorial integrity to get it to give up nuclear weapons in the 1990s? Empty promises?
That arsenal was shipped off to RF. And if Ukraine would still held onto that thermonuclear power, there would be no "Euromaidan". US wouldnt support it.
@@CrazyLeiFeng In the case of South Vietnam you are correct, and the US withdrawal and collapse of the South then set the conditions for the genocide in Cambodia under pol pot. The US attitudes and foreign policy doctrines are a complicating factor in situations like this too.
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. Narcissists talk only about themselves. Tiny minds repeat unimaginative ad hominems.
Bigwave2003 the only reason is bc he was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth he understands hunger what it takes to survive if you have experience to back up what you say there is a difference stop comparing Putin to hitler what is the truth behind anything who wrote the Bible everyone “journalists have their own views and opinions everyone has a perspective how they read and view things god bless
@@annahmartinez4219 Kotkin sold himself to Cia outlets. Its very costly to live in US. And true historians get no funds there. Or anywhere. He's selling his life work to survive. Cant blame him for that.
russia has very little importance to the world economy? tell that to the europeans who crave russias cheap gas. now, the EU will have to buy more expensive Umerican LNG.
To take seriously the violation of international law in the Russian acceptance of the Crimean referendum to rejoin Russia, while not considering the numerous violations of international law by the United State in toppling governments by coups d'état and by invasions since 1953, is sheer hypocrisy - much as I respect Prof. Kotkin on Russia between the two wars. Even past the Cold War and the demise of the Soviet Union, the US has been a frequent violator of the sovereignty of other countries, bombing them at will, toppling their governments, assassinating their leaders, and making a sham of international law - as it is doing right now, in Syria, for example. Russia, since the end of the Cold War has been respectful of sovereignties and has used its armed forces only where invited. In Crimea, Russia has re-absorbed, by referendum from a corrupt, fascist regime, a historical part of not just the USSR but of Czarist Russia. Compared with US presidents, who have committed aggression from Iran (1953) and have supported terrorists in Syria (2011), Pres. Putin has been a model of good international behavior.
Joe is so funny in this. He's got a very sarcastic sense of humor, but he sounds serious when he does it. And his last comment, naming all the things that may happen and then adding hell freezing over to the list. Classic Pesci.
June 2019: Europe (and the USA) might as well face it; Crimea is a done deal. (It was part of Russia since the time of Catherine the Great) It would not have been made part of Ukraine SSR if: (1) Khrushchev had not be Ukrainian (2) New power lines had not been extend into Crimea from Ukraine SSR Do not forget that eastern Ukraine was given to Ukraine SSR after the Soviet Civil War. Most of the people there are ethnic Russians and many speak Russian as their first language. EU, Ukraine and Russia need to sit down and figure out some sort of referendum for the Donbas region of Ukraine. Also, provisions should be made for people who are part of the minority after the referendum; who might want to move to western Ukraine. (There are still some Ukrainians stranded in Crimea … provisions should be made for them too … i.e. for Russian government to buy their property and allow those people to leave … If they are unhappy living in Russia.
How about all russia-lovers take their shot and moving to moscovia instead of stealing Ukrainian territory? There is still time. But ZSU is coming. Soon.
As much as I admire Stephen Kotkin as a historian of Soviet Russia: Unfortunately, in this statement, there are some factual mistakes ("350 million" EU citizens?) and political misjudgements about the European Union as well as its potential economic leverage towards Russia. Check the statistics on EU-Russia trade, and the Russian state budget's revenues composition.
This is the problem with College Profesors. They start venturing into fields they don't really understand and making proclamations that are based on limited or no knowledge at all. Almost makes you want to question the validity of his historical excavations into Stalin's life.
This is a disappointing contribution from Stephen. His work on Stalin is a colossal, but this is poor. I prefer the other Stephen on contemporary analysis - Stephen Cohen.
Stephen Kotkin is a very important contributor to the understanding of Stalin and his times. He has made his mark indelibly in the academic world and as a political analyst. Vladimir Putin is not Hitler, as Kotkin asserts. Still, Kotkin demonizes him by making no reference to the aggressiveness of the EU and the US towards Russia since the end of the USSR. Russia has not pushed a multinational military combination, such as NATO, to the Mexican and Canadian borders against a US weakened by the collapse of our federal government. Russia has not instigated the fall of the legal government of the State of Texas, a State whose people are divided between loyalty to the Republic of Texas and a minority of Unionists. It is hard to understand the liberal values that motivate Kotkin in his support for the US autocracy, which has - by Kotkin's own admission - at the same time reduced US power abroad and destroyed upward mobility at home.
"Russia has not pushed a multinational military combination, such as NATO, to the Mexican and Canadian borders " That's because nobody wants to make such a military combination with Russia. Russia is a penniless entity who only spreads misery around it. NATO instead is an alliance where small countries afraid of Russia are queuing to get protection.
if you want someone who capes for china and russia go listen to mearsheimer, you'll love him. You're probably eating your words right about now as well lmao. poor putin and russia, had to go commit genocide cause a defensive alliance wanted to be put next to their border.
So it's not Russia that instigated Russian Spring, no? All those people in the eastern Ukraine - not the folks with Russian passports? Not the Russian forces on Debaltsevo either? Hmmm .
The Ukraine crisis does not seem very different from the Cuba crisis in the 60s, except this time, the roles are swapped. A country like Ukraine which is right at Russia's doorstep applying for NATO-membership is incredibly hostile to Russia. We need to understand that.
+Ignatius The US has invested 5 billion in funding opposition in the Ukraine and facilitating illegal regime change. When will the day come the USA stops bullying other countries?
Hypedhopes19 The US has invested $3B and it wasn't to fund opposition, but rather to disarm Ukraine of its nuclear arsenal. Try reading some independent news sources rather than watching NTV and Вечер с Владимиром Соловьевым.
Not quite. Original EU association treaty (refused by Yanukovich) contained mention of Ukraine's obligation to conform EU's "military safety system". Whether you like it or not, EU's mil safety is policed by NATO. That was one of obscure minor things that are usually missed by "independent" news. In other words it was a shitty deal economically for both Ukraine and Russia and completely inappropriate for Russia in state security terms. In that sense Cuba analogy is pretty much spot-on.
Artem Ponomarev An EU Association agreement is a trade agreement and has nothing to do with military,. Israel, Albania, Jordan, Egypt, etc. all have EU Association agreements.
I know that personal comments are bad form, but I am sorry to see Stephen Kotkin looking much different from the Kotkin of his videos on Stalin. His face has fattened, and in contrast to his other videos his is sitting rather than walking about with microphone in hand. He would now much please Caesar who liked "fat men who sleep nights".
This kid was great. They used to call him "Spitshine Tommy." I swear to God. Oh, he'd make your shoes look like fucking mirrors. Excuse my language. He was terrific, he was the best. And he made a lot of money, too. Salut, Tommy!
Im from Russia, and I want to say that "Putin's regime" is the best that our society could do to operate the biggest territory in the world for the moment.
Funny to watch this in August 2022. Not that Stephen Kotin was somehow wrong, but see how it all unraveled.
Yep. "Some people say he's not a driving figure and is just riding the waves of history". That aged very poorly.
Hasn't the US, in addition to Russia, also guaranteed the Ukraine's territorial integrity to get it to give up nuclear weapons in the 1990s? Empty promises?
That arsenal was shipped off to RF. And if Ukraine would still held onto that thermonuclear power, there would be no "Euromaidan".
US wouldnt support it.
Yes. Exactly.
The US shouldnt have negotiated it if they werent going to follow through. Its as simple as that.
@@wildec2 They haven't followed through on many occasions. Just ask South Vietnamese...
@@CrazyLeiFeng In the case of South Vietnam you are correct, and the US withdrawal and collapse of the South then set the conditions for the genocide in Cambodia under pol pot.
The US attitudes and foreign policy doctrines are a complicating factor in situations like this too.
That will change in the future. The future is now!
I think Joe Pesci kinda looks like Stephen Kotkin
Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people. Narcissists talk only about themselves. Tiny minds repeat unimaginative ad hominems.
So, how has appeasement worked, in the end?
Well, because Ukraine has now an army that can take on and embarrass Russia. :)
Insight with a brutal sense of humor to match .
🤣🤣🤣😁😁😁😜😜😜🤣🤣🤣
putin turned off this guy's mic
Stephen Kotkin sounds like Joe Pesci.
Funny how?
SteinhauerJohn like I’m a clown? I’m here to amuse you?
Bigwave2003 the only reason is bc he was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth he understands hunger what it takes to survive if you have experience to back up what you say there is a difference stop comparing Putin to hitler what is the truth behind anything who wrote the Bible everyone “journalists have their own views and opinions everyone has a perspective how they read and view things god bless
Yeah, he really does
@@annahmartinez4219 Kotkin sold himself to Cia outlets. Its very costly to live in US. And true historians get no funds there. Or anywhere. He's selling his life work to survive. Cant blame him for that.
The really dont get it. What is there to negotiate about? New deals when the old onesgas been broken?
Seem that many understood Putin n Russia better than Putin himself.
It's a "Sin 2 B crazy" & a crime 2 B 2 stoopid." [rabbi from de skool of hard knocks 73 edition]
too short
Love the neverending Joe Pesci comments...its about all some people are good for!
Exactly, and they think they're original.
please stereo plz
russia has very little importance to the world economy?
tell that to the europeans who crave russias cheap gas.
now,
the EU will have to buy more expensive Umerican LNG.
Thats the idea Muwahaha
How about now?
Before the current war, I read that the Russian economy was the same as Italy's or half the size of Florida's.
To take seriously the violation of international law in the Russian acceptance of the Crimean referendum to rejoin Russia, while not considering the numerous violations of international law by the United State in toppling governments by coups d'état and by invasions since 1953, is sheer hypocrisy - much as I respect Prof. Kotkin on Russia between the two wars. Even past the Cold War and the demise of the Soviet Union, the US has been a frequent violator of the sovereignty of other countries, bombing them at will, toppling their governments, assassinating their leaders, and making a sham of international law - as it is doing right now, in Syria, for example. Russia, since the end of the Cold War has been respectful of sovereignties and has used its armed forces only where invited. In Crimea, Russia has re-absorbed, by referendum from a corrupt, fascist regime, a historical part of not just the USSR but of Czarist Russia. Compared with US presidents, who have committed aggression from Iran (1953) and have supported terrorists in Syria (2011), Pres. Putin has been a model of good international behavior.
The long bloody and ongoing history of American hegemony..a timeline - www.flagrancy.net/timeline.html
Hate to break it to you, but the people in charge in 1953 and 2011 aren't in charge today. Guess who's still in charge of Russia?
Joe is so funny in this. He's got a very sarcastic sense of humor, but he sounds serious when he does it. And his last comment, naming all the things that may happen and then adding hell freezing over to the list. Classic Pesci.
June 2019:
Europe (and the USA) might as well face it; Crimea is a done deal.
(It was part of Russia since the time of Catherine the Great)
It would not have been made part of Ukraine SSR if:
(1) Khrushchev had not be Ukrainian
(2) New power lines had not been extend into Crimea from Ukraine SSR
Do not forget that eastern Ukraine was given to Ukraine SSR
after the Soviet Civil War. Most of the people there are ethnic
Russians and many speak Russian as their first language.
EU, Ukraine and Russia need to sit down and figure out some
sort of referendum for the Donbas region of Ukraine. Also,
provisions should be made for people who are part of the
minority after the referendum; who might want to move to
western Ukraine. (There are still some Ukrainians stranded
in Crimea … provisions should be made for them too … i.e.
for Russian government to buy their property and allow
those people to leave … If they are unhappy living in Russia.
Here_We_Go_Again3 You get Crimea but is worth nothing no more tourism industry just misery.
How about all russia-lovers take their shot and moving to moscovia instead of stealing Ukrainian territory?
There is still time. But ZSU is coming. Soon.
As much as I admire Stephen Kotkin as a historian of Soviet Russia: Unfortunately, in this statement, there are some factual mistakes ("350 million" EU citizens?) and political misjudgements about the European Union as well as its potential economic leverage towards Russia. Check the statistics on EU-Russia trade, and the Russian state budget's revenues composition.
This is the problem with College Profesors. They start venturing into fields they don't really understand and making proclamations that are based on limited or no knowledge at all. Almost makes you want to question the validity of his historical excavations into Stalin's life.
@ @@mostwant3dgov
His research is good. Historians are never
up to speed on the current events end of
the spectrum.
He correctly implies that the EU should stop worrying about NATO and Brexit and start worrying about an EU defense force...
This is a disappointing contribution from Stephen. His work on Stalin is a colossal, but this is poor. I prefer the other Stephen on contemporary analysis - Stephen Cohen.
2:00 lol, another russisan expat trashing russia.
This guy knows everything? I like his voice so manly.
Stephen with the big girls voice
Stephen Kotkin is a very important contributor to the understanding of Stalin and his times. He has made his mark indelibly in the academic world and as a political analyst. Vladimir Putin is not Hitler, as Kotkin asserts. Still, Kotkin demonizes him by making no reference to the aggressiveness of the EU and the US towards Russia since the end of the USSR. Russia has not pushed a multinational military combination, such as NATO, to the Mexican and Canadian borders against a US weakened by the collapse of our federal government. Russia has not instigated the fall of the legal government of the State of Texas, a State whose people are divided between loyalty to the Republic of Texas and a minority of Unionists. It is hard to understand the liberal values that motivate Kotkin in his support for the US autocracy, which has - by Kotkin's own admission - at the same time reduced US power abroad and destroyed upward mobility at home.
Kotkin does talk about that extensively in other lectures. There's not enough time in a 6 minute video
"Russia has not pushed a multinational military combination, such as NATO, to the Mexican and Canadian borders "
That's because nobody wants to make such a military combination with Russia. Russia is a penniless entity who only spreads misery around it. NATO instead is an alliance where small countries afraid of Russia are queuing to get protection.
if you want someone who capes for china and russia go listen to mearsheimer, you'll love him. You're probably eating your words right about now as well lmao. poor putin and russia, had to go commit genocide cause a defensive alliance wanted to be put next to their border.
So it's not Russia that instigated Russian Spring, no? All those people in the eastern Ukraine - not the folks with Russian passports? Not the Russian forces on Debaltsevo either? Hmmm .
The Ukraine crisis does not seem very different from the Cuba crisis in the 60s, except this time, the roles are swapped.
A country like Ukraine which is right at Russia's doorstep applying for NATO-membership is incredibly hostile to Russia.
We need to understand that.
Ukraine hasn't reapplied for NATO membership nor has it been discussed since 2008. They did however apply for an association agreement with the EU.
+Ignatius The US has invested 5 billion in funding opposition in the Ukraine and facilitating illegal regime change. When will the day come the USA stops bullying other countries?
Hypedhopes19 The US has invested $3B and it wasn't to fund opposition, but rather to disarm Ukraine of its nuclear arsenal. Try reading some independent news sources rather than watching NTV and Вечер с Владимиром Соловьевым.
Not quite. Original EU association treaty (refused by Yanukovich) contained mention of Ukraine's obligation to conform EU's "military safety system". Whether you like it or not, EU's mil safety is policed by NATO. That was one of obscure minor things that are usually missed by "independent" news. In other words it was a shitty deal economically for both Ukraine and Russia and completely inappropriate for Russia in state security terms. In that sense Cuba analogy is pretty much spot-on.
Artem Ponomarev An EU Association agreement is a trade agreement and has nothing to do with military,. Israel, Albania, Jordan, Egypt, etc. all have EU Association agreements.
True!
Europe is for the taking!
Крым наш!
Oh yeah baby....so is Kherson, Izyum, Balaklia...More to come soon!
I know that personal comments are bad form, but I am sorry to see Stephen Kotkin looking much different from the Kotkin of his videos on Stalin. His face has fattened, and in contrast to his other videos his is sitting rather than walking about with microphone in hand. He would now much please Caesar who liked "fat men who sleep nights".
This kid was great. They used to call him "Spitshine Tommy." I swear to God. Oh, he'd make your shoes look like fucking mirrors. Excuse my language. He was terrific, he was the best. And he made a lot of money, too. Salut, Tommy!
Stephen Kotkin is not objective , no use to listen
Kotkin doesn't have half the integrity or courage of Stephen Cohen.
Im from Russia, and I want to say that "Putin's regime" is the best that our society could do to operate the biggest territory in the world for the moment.
How about now? When shall we see you in Bakhmut?
@@maxvolkov6127 It's crazy to think that this guy may be dead by now... 200k and counting
Joe Pesci sounds kind of like Kotkin.