LET'S ARGUE: Beyoncé Fails the Bechdel Test!
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- čas přidán 20. 05. 2018
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Let's argue: Melon is jealous of Cal's success
this is fact smh
Can't argue facts
oh yea
Tru moo chocolate milk
How about L E T ' S A G R E E
I'm pretty sure the bechdel test is designed for movies and books. It's kind of hard to have a conversation in a pop song that lasts longer than 20 seconds.
this. especially since most songs are sung by a solo artist, unless there's a feature or it's a collaboration you can't even catch two male singers having a proper conversation with each other in a song lol.
The Bechdel Test was 'designed' as a throwaway joke in a comic strip aimed at queer women (in the comic in question, a lesbian woman jokes to another that she doesn't watch a movie unless it passes her 'test'). It's not a hard-and-fast rule to begin with and the creator laughs at the fact it's become such a literal thing. It's just meant to be a commentary about how few stories in the media are about women not in relation to men- things that pass the test are can still be misogynistic.
yyeah exactly
Lets argue: Cal Chuchesta has done more for the rap game then Kendrick Lamar
Facts
This is not an argument this is facts
everyone already knows that
This is just a fact tho
That's religion.
LET'S ARGUE: John Cena has done more for the rap game then Kendrick Lamar
Basic Thuganomics > To Pimp a Butterfly
Garrick Groover more like a LET’S AGREE tbh
Is that seriously the name of his album?
@@anthonyhenriques7654 yup. someone else on let's argue thought To Pimp a Butterfly was a bad title as well.
New deadman INC and we about to make you famous, taking over earth and still kicking in Uranus 💥💥
word life
Those harmonies tho
on his fleet foxes bon iver shit
Can you give me some of his best songs
hearing him sing was somehow shocking
Yeah not bad imo
He sounded like Jonathan Higgs lol
*Bechdel With The Good Hair*
LupeJustinian 😂😋
lmao this is good
thats a dank ass pun
Underrated comment, this’ll never get enough likes 😂
This is brilliant
Classical music is very underrated. Bach straight up slaps in da whip
James Burgess the counterpoint is always fuego.
Bouree is a banger.
CALassical*
Dmytro Klochkov little fugue in g minor legit go hard as hell
James Burgess not underrated bro, we all know Bach's way higher in the game.
Guess I'm smoking and listening to Frank Sinatra tonight.
[Comes back tomorrow like] "DUUUUDE!!"
Come fly with me ;)
ChrisJ Fox chyll
Chris Camerino 😂😂😂😂
I do it to World We Knew. Joints an under rated classic
This video didn't have enough edge, too squeeky clean. 2/10.
Just do a fursona reveal already.
rawr x3
Y’all cancer.
But yeah do a fursona reveal.
HAAHAHAH
Is a melon a fursona?
gregfox That's a fruitsona. Different thing.
Sorry, missed your answer to the psychedelic music statement, too busy tripping on the background
LOOTd you should listen to merriweather post pavilion and stare at that cover
It’s an amazing album.
Most Hated ugh. Such a god damn psychedelic experience
Whose album is that?
Andrew Mitchell it’s an animal Collective record - Merriweather Post Pavilion
The Walmart kid thing just opened my mind.
Keep asking questions!!!
0.0
investigate 3/11
BIRD UP!!
More woke than the people in twitter who thinks that every frame in This Is America is a reference
People who view Beyonce as some kind of socially contentious art hero and not a corporate pop star are playing themselves. Her music is one big product for the top 40 chart, it's only "woke" in the most superficial way possible.
People where actually upset when Bell Hooks said this exactly that.
let's not forget that her brand was exploring workers in Sri Lanka and she may have known it. she's making hundreds of millions at the expense of poor people, many of them women, and still has the nerve to call herself a feminist. that's incredibly hypocritical. don't trust millionaires, my mama always said.
Thank you! She's like Rihanna, too. They are two powerful black women in the industry, but they are rich women at the end of the day. And I say this as somebody who likes some songs by both artists, the problem I see is when people give them more credit than they deserve in the area of activism. M.I.A. makes people angry, Azealia Banks makes people angry... RiRi and Bey as corporate brands do nothing in comparison while Azealia has been abandoned and overcome by mental illness and M.I.A. virtually disappeared from the mainstream. Why would you expect Amazon to suddenly become unionized, communist and actually caring for its workforce? Same with Bey and RiRi.
Damn facts, plain and simple.
@@jeff5685 that's been debanked a long time ago dude, and her brand is no longer part of H&M, she fully owns the brand distribution and stuff
as someone with tinnitus, I will tell you that i feel very lucky that its low and that after a few years i can barely notice it. It gets better, but what I would urge and I tell my friends to do this too, is to wear ear plugs and listen to when your phone says "this is too loud" To answer the kid who emailed melon, things do get better and the thing to focus on would be to start thinking of ways to prevent it from getting worse.
I have tinnitus too. It's pretty mild fortunately. Still annoying sometimes. It used to give me a lot of anxiety.
I had a lot of anxiety about it before too.
It does get better. I think it can actually 'heal' to some degree if you give it some rest (don't use earbuds at all for a few months, don't go to concerts & eat well), and/or at some point your brain starts filtering it out. I had moderate tinnitis that gave me anxiety when I was around 16 - I'm 23 now and I barely notice it, I only hear it very faintly when I'm in bed at night and it's completely quiet. Doesn't really disturb me at all. I have to focus to even notice it nowadays. And my hearing range is actually better than average, so yeah. If you just take care right away it may even improve quite a bit.
Magnesium and zinc seem to have a protective/regenerating effect on tinnitus as well (within reason). So it's worth a shot to eat some more healthy foods rich in those minerals.
None of the remedies I tried worked. I even went to a tinnitus clinic that specialized in treating tinnitus (I thought they were quacks). The thing that helped me the most was just to continue my life. Once it doesn't cause anxiety anymore, it gets much easier to deal with. Over time my brain started to more or less filter it out. I don't like to sleep in silence anymore though. I usually leave a podcast or something on at low volume. :)
I toured and recorded and jammed at full volume rehearsals more or less full-time for about 7 years. Never used earplugs. I started a job 5 months ago where I'm exposed to loud ambient noise (75+ db) for a significant part of 12 hour days, and extremely loud noise (100+ db) semi-regularly but hearing protection is required of course. Somehow that triggered tinnitus for me, talk about ironic. For me it isn't too bad. It's a constant beep/buzz in one ear. I'm one of the lucky ones and it doesn't give me headaches or anything of the sort aside from being annoying when someone talks into that ear and I can't hear them for shit. Anyways the moral of the story is wear hearing protection because you never know when or how your earholes might fuck up. It's an annoying condition that's very easily preventable.
How does a song that is not a duet between two recognizable female singers even pass the Bechtel test. WTF?
There's like a billion other things to talk / sing about
I think they mean "she's always talking about a man"
@@gabbeaudoin4595 that’s kind of a fair point I mean you can’t claim to make feminist music if half of your songs are about men and not about women. Not saying Beyoncé does that but some artists fall into that category.
Why does it need to? The Bechtal test is stupid.
This is the closest we're ever going to get to a MBDTF redux
Ethan Schrader He dedicated way longer to the album as a whole in the Kanye West worst to best video
Now that’s where you’re wrong
This aged like milk lmao
Lmao you happy that you got it now?
you said something positive about mbdtf but i still got ptsd flashbacks from the review, you'll be hearing from my lawyers soon x
Wolfthony Shirtano
It's rare for an R&B/Pop artist like Beyonce to not mention the opposite gender in a song. That goes for males focusing on women as well...
The Bechdel Test was mentioned in the first comment. Essentially, the Bechdel Test relates to women having a conversation that doesn't involve men. My point is that it's not fair to use this test with R&B/Pop, since this type of music mainly focuses on relationships.
Basically if the song was turned to not mention women in a man's lyrics, male artists would fail the test too.
They make up half the population...theyre around
Franklyn FM McInnis it's also unfair because the Bechdel Test is for FILMS and other such media. It's focus is on conversations between two women. It's can't really be applied to a song. It doesn't work. Also it's never been an accurate way of portraying female representation, it just leads people to claim ANYTHING where a man is involved as bad representation. And that's more harmful, a woman can he strong and powerful with a man in her life too. People forget the Bechdel Test sets no specifications for what a conversations is and that means that any film with 30 seconds of women talking about their diets and feeling bloated is "good representation" because they're not talking about a man.
Robyn Wilson i mean.. it originates from a light hearted joke in a lesbian comic.. but * neurotic straight radical * feminists always manage to make it about men
Lets Argue is my favorite anime
good meme but not super original, i’m feeling a light 7 on this one
My definitive list of what makes a song objectively good:
it's not bad*
*sometimes, it depends
That intro was better than any of the Billboard performances
That intro song sounds like the theme from Akira
Shit was 🔥 tho bro lmao
Wearing earplugs at concerts? Hell no 😂😂😂. I'm not a nerd. I'm not getting nae-naed on by the cool kids 😤🤚🤚🤚
Whatever
What even did i just read 😂
THEGOVERNMENTIS REPTILES. This makes me want to get nae-naed
I see through your ironic statement. I know your soul.
Enjoy your ear problems.
myncraft1 I would go deaf before being seen wearing earplugs at a concert.
That was the best intro of all time
I took 4 tabs of acid and for the second time in my life, I listened to Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here album. It's not that I heard anything new, it's how I heard the same music in a different way. It's as if somehow my mind had previously and subconsciously memorized the entire album note for note and acid unlocked that knowledge, projecting shimmering wavey visual cloud patterns that moved or danced one step ahead of (and yet, in sync with) the music. At the same time, I instinctively knew which way the patterns would move with the unlocked knowledge of the album's note for note sound. In my humble experience, I can say that acid definitely enhanced the way I heard Wish You Were Here.
BTW a little side note:
The meaning of life is to learn and to laugh.
Education and entertainment.
Love is a bonus not to be squandered.
I've only heard about the Bechdel test in the context of movies/tv. How do you frame that for music?
Tyler Suronen Who the fuck knows man, the Bechdel test is a bunch of bullshit anyway.
Tyler Suronen probably lyrics about talking to other women
The Jrr how?
Comrade Avene because it's stupid
The Jrr explain
When is the Melon album coming out bro? All this singing and bass playing has got me stoked.
Anthony "At the end of the day" Fantano
If you record those harmonies in the intro with Cal it's a HIT 🔥🔥🔥
Tinnitus isn’t curable but the brain is a beautiful thing. Most of the time, the brain eventually blocks out the sounds/ringing brought on by tinnitus and eventually the person won’t even notice the tinnitus anymore
not gonna lie, some of the takes in this video were pretty hot
Overhated is an amazing word. We can all agree on that.
So we just gonna act like Melon didn't have some of the best vocals of the year at the beginning of this video? No autotune either...
Good comment about hearing damage. Last year I was listening to opeth on the bus and when I was getting my bus card out, I accidentally learned on the volume control on my device and that shit went roaring up to maximum. It physically hurt even though it was only about three seconds before I stopped it. For several days after I had a ringing in my ears and loud sounds hurt. I was in acoustic shock but luckily it didn’t develop into full blown tinnitus and within a week I was back to normal. Close call though and it illustrates how fragile hearing is.
Matthew Kelly
I only listen to my music at full blast
You just got week ears bruh
enjoy losing your hearing
Benjamin Decimo Maybe he has month ears?
lolwutizit year ears?
I just came here to say, Opeth fucking rules.
*Thanks, Fandingus*
Criley lol
Let’s Argue:
Kendrick Lamar’s reaction to a white fan quoting his song (after he invited her on stage, and told her to sing) and saying the “n” word, was honestly annoyingly stupid on his part and the audience was acting superbly immature about it.
Macro, you are the last person I would expect to see in a Fantano comments section
@William Magee True
Not sure how it's wrong on his part.. that whole situation made me cringe and he let her stay up on the stage just told her to censor it. why is that stupid or annoying lol
@@barsbarsbarz Dude, he could have warned her or something before he let her sing. He wrote those lyrics and when you tell a fan to sing your song, I think you should expect them to sing it the way you wrote. I don't believe Kendrick actually set her up but that's what it seemed like
@Alyssa I mean if I was on the stage I definitely wouldn't have said the word and I think the girl was doing a bad job reading the room but yea
Let's argue: Melon needs to admit to his Vietnam atrocities and face justice
*GERALD*
That part of the video played right when I read this 😂
8:01
idek how loud is too loud...sometimes i try to turn up the volume and its already on max and sometimes i barely have the volume halfway up and i have a headache.
if your headphones or earbuds isolate a lot of sound it can be hard to tell, if it's possible to have a normal conversation from at least a few feet away over the volume you're definitely good though. I also think rubbing your hands together in front of your face is around 50db, depends on how you do it of course but again if its as loud or louder than the music you're definitely good. Personally I like to breathe in really quickly through my nose to get a feel for the volume of something if I think it might be too loud, nobody should bat an eye at it is the idea, if you're conscious of it you should get a feel quickly.
arsrarsr 200IQ
Melon is online.
Oscar Arias i like your last name,i have the exact same last name.
You need to make a collab with Cal! That intro was fire
I actually prefer psychedelic music when I'm NOT tripping, because it reminds me of when I'm tripping. When I'm tripping I prefer calmer, folky music because it can help ground you.
Btw I had tinnitus for 10+ years, 24 now... I was terrified when I first got it, and it still is a part of life, but honestly like most things when you have them long enough you'll just get used to it. My "silence" is not completely silent. If I dwell on it, it does seem quite sad, but 99,9% of the time I don't mind it
Triggered at the AM background for "bland rock". AM is a great album
Arguably ur best intro to date
Just gonna share my experience with tinnitus cause it's relevant. Last year, when I was 20, I went to a rock concert and, like a dumbass, I didn't wear any ear protection. I was near the front of the stage too, so the speakers were fairly close. Now I got ringing in my ear, and it makes it sometimes hard to concentrate on school and trying to get to sleep. It can be very intrusive, and by the looks of it I have a very mild case because I don't hear the ringing when I'm not in a quiet room. Trust me, it's not worth it to not wear ear protection to music concerts. It doesn't make you uncool, and no one is gonna make fun of you for it. Even if they do, they're the losers who are gonna be deaf by the time they're 35, meanwhile you'll still have functioning ears. Be better than me, and wear ear protection.
The thing about listening to really layered music like Tool or Pink Floyd on a psychedelic is that it becomes way easier to dissect each individual layer rather than hearing it all as a full piece. It's like you suddenly have this ability to select a layer and listen to just that one part of it and follow it better than when you're sober. You're hearing is also a lot more magnified, so what could be really quiet and way in the background can suddenly be heard with equal validity to what's already in the foreground of a mix.
i give that into, a light to decent 8.
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When I've gone to concerts in the past, I didn't wear earbuds because usually I was far enough away that it wasn't all that loud, like kind of a safe distance. However, I made the HUGE mistake of not wearing earplugs when going to see Death Grips in DC and boy I had tinnitus (or whatever temporary version of that there is) for like 2-3 weeks after. Ever since that, I've tried to make a point of at least not getting too close to the speakers and instruments if I *really* don't wanna wear earplugs. I also don't usually go any higher than 4-5 notches below max volume with earphones because I just think it's totally unpleasant to listen any louder. Just be careful with your ears kids.
Red Vox Another Light review. Let the Binyot flow through you.
Nina Lan pinyaps and birbs for all
Binyout musec besn musec
Loved the video and points. Can't wait to see you live.
Frank Sinatra sounds very different stoned and on acid
Walter Robertson profile picture checks out
the answer to this: 10:32 , is to release music under a pseudonym. if your music drastically changes from what you originally did.
This is my favorite Fantano segment including the album reviews tbh
Lil Aaron youtube ad before this video, new favorite artist.
i had to google Bechdel Test because i had no idea what that was lol
Aleksandar Randjić same
Same. Now I’m wondering how a solo artist COULD pass the test...
It literally doesn’t matter
Grape Culture Dynamite. Thanks for the info.
Joshua Ragans you got it bud.
Intro was beautiful
Great installment of Let's Argue!! That intro was ecstatic bro.
Dat harmony in the beginning was beautiful, a masterpiece :')
I don't know what you have against Interpol.
Turn on the bright lights with its dark, melancholic post punk sound is a completely different album than the more 'poppier' Antics.
Our Love to admire is different to Antics. And S/T has a more experimental approach (listen to 'Lights') than the pretty safe and solid El Pintor.
I think he's commenting on how El Pintor was pretty safe and solid, like you say. In his El Pintor review he says pretty much exactly what you did. Interpol's music was changing and progressing with each album until El Pintor was a return to form as a response to people growing distant from how experimental the self-titled album was.
... the only comment about interpol that appear twice in the video...
..as a interpol fan i would love a album more experimental. i like El Pintor though.
This melon never puts my hot takes in the vids.
Melon, what you said about taking care of our ears so we can still enjoying music really touched me.
tinnitus is real shit. Thanks for saying that Anthony. I got tinnitus the night after my first gig and thought my life was over... Still feel like that sometimes, two years later. Things slowly got better as I learned to live with it but I really have to look after myself to make sure it doesn't get worse: always check my music's not too loud, I wear moulded ear plugs when playing gigs or basically any time I go to a club. It's really hard to sleep at night so having a nightly routine with a podcast is my solace. There was a time when I couldn't fall asleep without a loud rain track.
Fant, if you don't add a juicy ass bass line in that intro in the next "let's argue", imma
The fact that you (in particular) will generally not like an album if it isn't somehow different or more built-up than previous albums by that artist is one of the few things that I tend to not like about your reviews. One of very few things, sure, but it's a thing. It's not even consistent - sometimes a same-same album is amazing because you like that same-same sound the first time around; other times it's clear you weren't satisfied with the previous sound, which is fine, but suddenly the fact that it's same-same is a mark of shame on that artist as your brows furrow and your voice gets dark and verboten. If you balance that equation, the problem is not the band's consistency, but your subjective impression of the sound - and yet it's always framed as a problem of consistency.
If we're talking about something thicc and layered and engineered like a sample-heavy project, or something like Tool, that makes sense. You EXPECT them to innovate, to push the sound forward and keep you on your toes. But sometimes you just want to listen to KISS or Bob Marley or Ugly Kid Joe and get that sound, that feeling. I don't need The Melvins to innovate. I appreciate bands that innovate on The Melvins, but that doesn't mean I want The Melvins to innovate. Does that make sense? Probably not.
Either way, love you melon. Keep up the good work.
Addama Sanders I agree with this so much!
But you're looking purely at enjoying their music, Melon is looking at the artist as a whole, and how they keep up with the times and improving their craft.
Wow. I haven't thought about Ugly Kid Joe in yeeeears.
We need a full version of that song at the beginning
That intro was heavenly thx mel
i hope you know i spent the entirety of this video staring at your wolf t-shirt
Absolute Swine furry? Yeahhhhhh
Best intro ever!!!
This is easily my favourite 'Argue'ment yet! So funny how you put it: Nobody owes anyone anything Aaaagghh!
The AM backdrop while talking about clean rock albums...lol
Thatistheplan slowly sips into this world
“That’s how you get tinnitus!” - Lúcio
I have tinnitus, but it doesn't bother me too much anymore. When I'm having a conversation in a place with quiet noise, I don't even notice it. But when it's dead silent, I definitely hear it. Thankfully it's not super loud.
love the Politkz reference near the end
Review Shrek the Halls
Ciaran Clarke heck yeah
I'm kind of sad because that intro was so close to being the start of circle of life :(
Wow this is one of your best videos I've seen
That harmony was gorgeous, be proud
Let’s argue: that was the best intro on CZcams.
that intro sounded like 'heavenly' by Adventures lul
yup i got that same whooshing tinnitus from when i was a kid listening to loud music. it doesn't go away, BUT you will get used to it eventually and it won't affect your life as much, i promise
I subscribed today cause this video made me chuckle a couple of times
death grips sounds different when your noided
Review the new Kyle album. He is the 89th most listened to person on spotify, your favorite xxl freshman of 2017, and both all the reviews I have seen and myself really enjoy the album.
Iu sucks man
Did not age well
This series makes me love Mondays 🙏🏽😂
The Hearing Damage is really scary. I got lucky in that i found loud music physically uncomfortable so much so that i always wore ear plugs to shows and still do.
But its painful to see how many people show up to shows with no sort of protection at all
great vocal harmonies melon.
Watch that video of Kendrick calling out some girl he brought on stage to sing MAAD City for saying the N word, iz painful to watch
You better add more to that intro song with every new edition of let's argue
A sound can be reused until you run out of ways to make it equal quality to whatever your peak performance in that sound was. If your running out of things to do with one sound, then it's time to change, but you can always come back to it when you do have an idea for it.
AM isn't a masterpiece but it still didn't deserve a 3 out of 10. You went to hard on the them in that review melon.
No. He didn't like it at all. So there's absolutely no reason for HIM to give it a higher score. I think sometimes people forget the scores he gives are a representation of how much he enjoyed an album.
+THEGOVERNMENTIS REPTILES. pretty much
I think my guy THEGOVERMENTIS REPTILES was painting you as a fool there buddy
+Charles McCall I don't even remember this conversation. But anyways nice picture. One of my favorite Sawns records
nice new intro song. strong 7.
This has been my favorite “let’s argue” yet.
I live for these.
Letsthony Arguno here!
1:16 IT STILL MOVES
Best intro period.
About the psychedelic thing man, when I listened to comfy in nautica by panda bear I really got a different experience with the end of that song on a psychedelic. It really left me in a trance like never before