Panasonic GH5s - Hands on
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- Panasonic have just released the Lumix GH5s, a version of their popular GH5 mirrorless camera with a completely new 10.2 MP Low Light Sensor. Not only does the GH5s offer the best video quality we have seen yet in a Micro Four Thirds camera, but it competes in low light with cameras well above its price point and with much larger sensors. Its a very impressive little camera, so lets take a look!
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Five years later, and the GH5S is still a wonderful camera. I love it.
I used and testest the GH5s for one and a half years now and I have to say that the native ISOs for V-LogL and HLG are still 400 and 2500, not 800 and 5000. The noise and color artifacts you get when shooting ISO 800 take more usable stops DR away from you than it might give mathematical and theoretical level. ISO 400 is very clean with great highlight and shadow detail. ISO 5000 and beyond can still be great with little noise but the color and image quality takes quite the hit. 2500 is almost as sharp as 400 with more shadow detail and much much better color reproduction than 5000. I only ever go over 2500 if there is really not enough light to get any image otherwise. And often I rather under expose at 2500 and pull up to 5000 than shot at 5000 right away. As long as you shoot at ISO 400 or 2500 and expose right the GH5s is a beast in terms of image quality and gradebility. Also it’s super reliable with great battery life and IO.
You are one of the few to point out that larger photosites do help with color rendition next to better lowlight performance. For me personally better color and more dr is an even bigger selling point than lowlight. Especially in combination with those 10bit, that sony does not have yet. Would have been nice to see some daytime footage comparison with other cameras too, for color and dr. Maybe in a future review?
I'll buy the gh5s in a heartbeat! IBIS is absolutely no issue for my wedding films. Low light filming is a higher priority for me. Thank you Panasonic!
Just bought the GH5S and adore the image. There's something magical about the color science in this one.
Agreed, it has a very nice image
Carl
Awesome Review and Video, I guess the stabilization is not an issue when used on a tripod, but some of us only film on the run, so it is
still a step back on some of our books...
Very true, different tools for different Jobs
Carl
ProAV TV Thanks Carl.
Great video, Colin. Thank You so much. Best regards, Kai the bee filmer.
Lovely, lovely footage. First question: how did you adapt the MK to the MFT mount? Second question: what lighting did you use? Again, just so well done.
Thanks! Glad you liked it, love the videos you do as well.
Question 1: MTF Services do a conversion mod, and we sell the lenses with the mount already changed here by our engineer: www.proav.co.uk/fujinon-18-55mm-t2-9-cabrio-cinema-zoom-lens-mft-mount
Question 2: Mainly the LS Edge 700, lovely soft light: www.proav.co.uk/lishuai-c-700rsv-soft-bi-colour-led-light
Carl
I've subscribed just for the fact that you are sponsored by sony and been honest about the noise at Iso performance... doing good :-)
We are always honest, we are a dealer so work closely with every manufactuer and sell every brand of camera. Our sponsors know this and so never expect us to be anything but honest as to their strengths and weaknesses, as long as we do it to everyone!
Carl
Appreciate your honest review. Unlike the long haired Australian guy that didn't even mention the lack of IBIS.
Thanks
Carl
Keep in mind the A7S and A7R and the new A7 III are all 8 bit 4 2 0 video capable and only 30 minute record time. So while the Sonys do supply better low light and are full frame sensors the final internal recording is far inferior to the GH5s. Wondering if you were using the metabones adapter or the speed booster?
Another great review Carl....but needed more cat. Phillip B would not approve! 😜
Man that's a beautiful place. I want to move there .
Great video, Carl. Looking forward to you to do video quality comparison!!
Thanks, glad you liked it.
I'll try and get the camera back to do some more tests
Carl
Cat rolled its eyes @ 4:34 because of no IBIS! I understand, though. Would have been nice, but at least we have low light capability.
Since this CVP video came out the Panasonic s1h, S1, and S1R sit inbetween the Panasonic gh5s and Panasonic eva
Lovely review! Both the GH5 and GH5s are really nice cameras. If you would compare the GH5 with in-body I.S. a Speedbooster and Sigma 18-35 to the GH5s with a Speedbooster and let's say the new Tamron 24-70 G2 VC. Would you notice a big difference with handheld shooting you think? If the GH5s really has 14 stops of DR in video mode that would be sick.
That was really good...impressive to say the least! Did they fix the bugs with the focusing issues the GH5 was having? A lot of reviews seem to hound on that and some even indicate the firmware update didn't help much. Also, I'm really wanting a camera that delivers exceptional slowmo so how does the GH5s perform? Lastly, when shooting slowmo with the GH5 you have to over-expose the screen in order to get the correct exposure when you actually record, has that been addressed or is there something I'm missing with that in the setup process. Just started following and your channel is very educational!
Brian Strickland same af system, and Panasonic remove the ibis
The real unknown here is does it really have 14 stops DR in video? I've heard a number of pros saying it and yet only Kai has shown a waveform to substantiate anything, and that showed it didn't have and DR benefit over the GH5. So, does it have 14 stops or not???
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Fantastic video my friend. You definitely maximized the gh5s footage best as far as ive seen. Kais footage wasnt as clean an his review of it didnt make it look as good as your footage. But arent you using the gh5s with a speedbooster? In all fairness it should compared to other cameras with native m43 lenses. As other cameras should be using their native lenses for a fair comparison. Im just curious. I wasnt sure if that was a regular metabones vs the metabones speedbooster
It was a speedbooster, because i wasnt really interested in fairness. I was interested in seeing how good the new sensor can look. If you can get that low light with the GH5s just by using a speedbooster and a fast prime, thats really important to know and a huge plus for the camera
Carl
ProAV TV oh ok. Well if thats what you were going for then i definitely understand the purpose of this video. Eitherway, its very encouraging to see such a clean low light image from that camera at that price. Hopefully canon will come out with a lowlight beast.
Great review! As always.
Thanks!
Carl
The GH5-S is cleaner than the EVA-1 because it uses a Sony STARVIS IMX294 (variant) sensor and the EVA-1 is not a Sony sensor. Sony STARVIS technology uses a patented quad-pixel array with offset exposure timing (slow and fast) for two of the photosites in each quad cluster. It's quite amazing collection and readout technology. It is a full BSI sensor while the EVA-1 is just a standard FSI sensor without the EXMOR A/D column conversion that the STARVIS has. You are comparing a traditional and older Super35mm sensor design to a HIGHLY advanced "next generation" Micro 4/3 sensor that is very much cutting edge, Sony patented architecture. Yes,..this is quite shocking, indeed. When Sony applies the STARVIS technology to a full frame sensor (A7S-III??) we are going to see a sensor that goes WAY beyond our wildest dreams of signal to noise ratio.
Looking at getting the GH5s as my second camera. Wow those lenses are seriously out of my budget! Can you recommend any cheaper ones? But not in quality.:)
Fantastic review Carl.
Thanks!
Carl
Great review mate, I was wondering recently, how it compares to fujifilm XT-3 at and above ISO 6400.
I like the small and fast lenses on m4/3, so if they are almost identical, maybe for travel videos this is a slightly better choice?!
Oh my sweet baby Jesus!
You like?
Carl
ProAV TV I have just started my freelance work and have been considering the GH5 for my "easy-to-turn-profit" camera as I am just starting.. the stops of range and getting dual iso really does change my mind. Though I am waiting for more reviews and opinions before I plunge. Thank you so much for this video, you do such a great job with these!
thanks for the review! does it really have 14 stops in V-Log L, did you do any sort of measuring? or can you at least confirm that the DR on the GH5s is wider than on GH5?
0:32 What am I seeing here? A Fuji MK cine zoom with m43 mount!? Wow! :O
It sure is! MTF have a conversion kit which we can modify the lens with here in house for our customers: www.proav.co.uk/fujinon-18-55mm-t2-9-cabrio-cinema-zoom-lens-mft-mount
Carl
So it has been highly speculated that this uses a Sony STARVIS IMX294 sensor. We do know as an absolute fact that the current GH5 uses a Sony IMX272. (ChipWorks tore the motherboard apart and X-ray'd the sensor as well as doing an electron microscope inspection of the foundry of the chip) It's unknown as of yet if the EVA-1 is a Sony or another maker. Do you have an idea of what the GH5-s dynamic range is? Also with the GH5, we have 6k image readout and 4k scaling that produce VERY detailed images. How to you compare he GH5-S' resolving power with it using a more simple 1:1 (or close to it) lower resolution readout? Thanks for this great video.
Panasonic say 14 stops, and I find it hard to believe its not using the new Sony Starvis sensor. I prefer the sharpness and detail on the gh5s, I have always found the gh4 and gh5 a little 'Over sharpened' and I think the Gh5s does a great job of being detailed but not over sharp.
Carl
14 stops??? My God, from a MFT sensor? What are those pixel wells?...4 or 5 microns? The A7S-II photosites are 8 microns. This makes you wonder what the new A7s-III will be like? What if Sony put's this tech into a full frame 12mp sensor? Rumors say that Panasonic could buy this same sensor for their DVX200 replacement ENG camera....wow!
This is simply a misconception. VLOG-L cannot give out 14 stops of DR. It has a max of 12 stops which is exactly the same as the GH5.
Do you mean that it can do 14 stops of DR because it tops out at 80IRE? (on the current GH5 anyay) In theory, if this STARVIS MFTsensor can do 14 stops, that should spread the wave form out as high as 90 or 95 IRE in a VLog curve. I'm hearing some reviewers say that GH5-S is doing the same DR as the current GH5. Dont know what to think yet.
CLIFFLIX well it really does come down to being limited to vlog-l which the GH4 had and the GH5 which was limited to a maximum of 12 stops infact it can't go higher than 12 stops. This has been confirmed by many reviewers. I honestly thought we'd see an increase in DR.
Thanks for video bro. 👊🏻
Thanks for watching!
Carl
What camera and lens did you use to film the episode? You notes say the c200 + sigma 18-35 but you episode notes that it was the C300? The shots as you explained things looks great.
Thank you.
It was the C200 and the Sigma 18-35mm f1.8. The card at the end saying C300 II is incorrect, apologies! Thats the camera we normally use in the showroom.
Carl
I love your reviews. Very in-depth. Thank you so much for putting in the time.
Thanks!
Carl
I think theres a big misconception here... The issue is, there isn't 14 stops of DR, infact its not possible since VLOG-L can only give out 12 stops of Dynamic range, which is exactly the same as the GH5. So in terms of Dynamic range being 14 stops is simply incorrect. If they released Full VLOG then it could be possible, but this is still the same Vlog (light) as the GH5 and GH4.
It does seem that way.. but Pana do claim 14 stops. I'm sure people will start doing tests soon to see if theres any difference. It did feel like there was a difference when we were filming
Carl
It maybe that 14 stops is only in the HLG profile
I liked the cat more than the camera. No IS inbuilt? Bonkers.
Well then the gh5 is more for you, personally I love the image from the gh5s
Carl
But I want the better low light and image quality too! ;-)
I guess the camera could be used with gimbals for 'handheld' work.
Awesome camera! Wait!?! That lens though!!! Did I see a fujinon 18-55mm on the gh5s? How are you mounting it?
Brenn Nakamitsu maybe something is comming
thesimsn man I've been searching the interwebs for a while hoping something would let us mount it...but they keep saying it is physically impossible...hopefully so...this video gives me hope!
MTF Services sell a conversion kit which our engineer can install on lenses here for our customers. You can buy it here: www.proav.co.uk/fujinon-18-55mm-t2-9-cabrio-cinema-zoom-lens-mft-mount
Carl
ProAV TV thank you so very much!
ProAV TV so another quick question then what is the 35mm focal length equivalent since its not a metabones adaptation?
How do you like the E-image GH06 head with the GH5? How long can you shoot and still pan smoothly with it? What kind of legs do you have? I'm searching for a head that I can smoothly pan with the Panasonic 100-400 without putting out too much money...
Absolutely, the GH06 can handle far heavier cameras, we recommend it mainly to C200, EVA & FS5 customers. But it can definitely handle a gh5 with a long lens
I like the 761AT solo legs from e-image personally: www.proav.co.uk/e-image-gh06-761at-aluminium-tripod-system
Carl
Thank you very much Carl. I think this is just what I've been looking for. But I can't find it available in the US. B&H has the 760AT with the GH03. But not sure if this one would be up to the task for the GH5 and 100-400. I don't use any large rigs or anything though. What do you think?
Nice review and images too! Whats that LUT you are applying to transform VLOG? Is it free anywhere to download? On VLOG you expose to the right or just on 0EV? Thanks
We used panasonics official V-Log to Rec709 LUT from the EVA1 which you can download from their site.
We exposed ever so slightly to the right.
Carl
Very curious about moire at 4k- any thoughts?
Good Video! Thanks
Are the colour profiles pretty much the same between the GH5 and the GH5s?
Yes, although V-Log is now included on the GH5s rather than being a paid upgrade
Carl
No IBIS? Thats a pretty big caveat
Yes it is, but theres also some big advantages to the gh5s, different tools for different jobs
Carl
I only shoot video with my GH4, love it and shoot stills with 5D3. How would you compare the GH5S to the A7RIII? The GH4 is the ideal form factor for shooting aerial but I don't know how well the stabilization in the GH5 would work on a gimbal since the GH4 doesn't have it anyway, not sure I'd miss it.
We always recommend turning off in camera stabilisation if you are using a gimbal anyway, as they can sometimes fight against each other
Carl
Wow. that is amazing
I was blown away, much better image quality than the GH5, especially at 3200 / 6400 ISO
Carl
Are you sure about 14 stops of dynamic range? It seems to be too good to be true...
No, not sure. Simply quoting what Panasonic claim. I havent done independent tests on that.
Carl
Thanks Carl.
nice video,, hey, some help: with an ef canon lense theres a crop factor? can one plug direct to camera or needs adaptor? thanks :-)
Its Micro four thirds mount, so you'll need an adapter. There will be a crop factor of 2x, but you can use a speedbooster to reduce that.
Carl
Where did you get the information that it's 14 stops DR?
Verbally from Panasonic which is where I got all the information in this video. When I made this I had access to no official documents or spec sheets at all.
Carl
Sweet. Can't wait for the dynamic range tests.
I think that you are making too big a deal of the colour differences that the two cameras will produce when using different lenses. There are other factors that hugely influence colour far more so than who made the glass. The camera's internal colour science is probably going to be the biggest factor, but to say that any comparison is going to be unfair because the glass on one camera comes from Sony and the other comes from Canon, is just going too far.
Nice Video .
Thanks!
Carl
The highlight roll-off still feels very video to me.
very nice review. tnx
Thanks!
Carl
this combined with the new Ronin-S will be a killer one man band setup. Solving the IS and lack of good autofocus, cause I do believe that you can now manualy control the focus via the gimbal. Interesting times.
Wouldn’t the Gh5S work for handheld on a gimbal?
Yes it would work well
Carl
Funny when u go down to SNR (Signal-to-Noise Ratio)... When images speak and Canon Cine lens speaks too here.
U loose like 6db (typically) when u add 1 stop of sensitivity.
U read that te GH5S has the same (visible) noise than a GH5 @3200 ISO when GH5S is @16000 ISO
Do the math : 2.5 stops better = 15db less noisy.
The GH5 as an SNR of 40.7 db @60ISO
Means GH5S may reach 55.7 db SNR @ lowest ISO... The Sony A7 SII only reaches 45.2 db @ 74 ISO
Conclusion : the GH5S should be a way cleaner camera than Sony A7 SII at low ISO : 10db better = more pure color...
Just look here : 2:52 and further. The good idea here is to look through a cine lens that has a very low SNR too. Good choice ProAV.
Glad you liked the video
Carl
Surely did. It's a bit of marketing coup : in 6 six month they make such noise with almost the same product. They could have done it in one shot, but really, without spreading such interest on the brand : chapeau. We are all "a little surprised", as u say.
would love some clarification regarding dual iso. I haven’t heard from any other source other than yours that the log profile have higher native iso points. I have a gh5s how would I verify your statements
Mike Polaroid its on the official spec sheets on Panasonic's website
James Jackson Films that’s amazing I just saw spec sheet. It almost like this camera has 4 native iso settings.
Mike Polaroid yup. Did some test in HLG, and the results are unreal.
James Jackson Films I used to play safe and use Natural profile indoor and at night but now I’m questioning which to choose with all these new options
Mike Polaroid well to get a little nerdy on you, Vlog is still going to introduce the most noise, but the highest dynamic range "in most situations". But for certain low lit situations, HLG gives you the best option at the 2nd native Iso. HLG acts like log in the highlights but like rec709 in the shadows. So it will be clean in the shadows like neutral but give far more dynamic range than the standard profiles. But either HLG or Vlog is now better in low light than the other profiles.
Panasonic G5s uses a SONY Sensor if you did not know Shocking but true
I know, as far as I’m aware the Linux line has always used Sony sensors though. There’s just a lot of press about it this time
Carl
Only since the GH5 ;)
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