Classic Vs Smart Bike Locks | What's The Difference?
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- čas přidán 27. 11. 2021
- Leaving your bike unattended in an urban environment puts it at high risk of being stolen, so a good bike lock is worth buying! There are many different styles of bike lock to choose from: Cable lock, Chain, D-Lock / U-Lock and foldable options, and they will all vary in levels of security. In today's video, Doddy takes a look at classic Vs Smart Locks and details the features.
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I couldn’t help but notice that when the alarm went off outside, the people in the background just did not seem to notice or care
Yeah, people messing up car alarms have desensitized most to the sound. Hence, 120 dB would be better to actually deafen the would-be thief. :P As for alarms, these brake disc locks/alarms work pretty well. However if someone is to ignore the sound it does not attach the bike to anything on its own, just prevents rolling it off. Similar to a hub lock in a way, someone who scoops up bikes with a truck would only be slowed down slightly if you locked both wheels with it. They are only as hard to cut as the disc brake though, and while that is a very tough material, it is not indestructible whatsoever and is rather thin. On the upside, if you do this on both wheels, thief will have no brakes.
yes desensitised as we have mobile phone ringtones as well.
Yup, everyone's just "not my business" especially in a city where you hear alarms frequently. However, I think it would work indoors, let's say in a garage or in a very quiet zone or when you are actually around the corner to smash some skulls.
I love that half the comments are basically saying to check out the LockPickingLawyer 😁
Good to see that I'm not the first person to instantly think of the LPL videos of him defeating these types of locks!
Having good security is all about layers. You should never rely on one lock or lock type, always have multiple ones that have to be attacked differently. This means any thief has to come prepared to attack in multiple ways, carrying different tools. If they have to cut a cable with a bolt cutter or grinder but then also attack some electronics or pick something then it'll take them longer and leave them exposed for longer. They want to walk up, break the lock open in a few seconds then leave with the bike. The more obstacles you can put in the way the more likely they will move on to easier targets.
exactly, and from watching his videos, the single key system, while a convenience for the user is also an avenue of attack for the bike thief to get around the smartphone entry system
Lpl follower too; one of his advices was having several, but different types and brands of locks on your bike. That will delay hopefully enough such that a thief will skip the bike. But then the weight…
Send that thing to the Lock Picking Lawyer and you'll realize the key/combo/smartphone doesn't really matter when the lock itself can be opened with a piece of twine.
How many bike locks are actually overcome by highly skilled lock-pickers vs a chav with a stolen cordless angle grinder though!?
@@stuco81 he shows up locks when they have low skill vulnerabilities. Definitely won’t buy a lock unless he gives it the nod!
@@stuco81 I guess that is partly my point. The actual locking mechanism is kind of irrelevant. Most bike locks are defeated by brute force or tools. Whether it's "smart" or key or combo isn't going to make much difference.
exactly go watch any one of his videos almost all of them are less than 2 minutes long, maybe 10 minutes at the most, and that includes opening the same lock in several different ways, be it picking, shimming, or just jiggling the shackle. he's done a bunch of "smart" locks as well.
GMBN knows MTB. Lockpickinglawyer knows locks and has a report on the (Abus Bordo 6500)
Toff: "This weeks sickest thing of the week, I get a new Canyon Exceed!"
That was good!
"Smart" locks with bluetooth features tend to introduce an additional vector of attack and I would personally want the lock to have a lower threshold for tripping the alarm.
Plenty of people on forums reporting they got their Abus smartlocks stop working, and had to grind them open. No thanks. I'll keep my Abus Bordo dumblock for now.
When toff was messing with it not one person reacted to it. Seems normal today people don't care and turn a blind eye.
Many of these comments say they would get something else because of what LPL says. I watched LPL and the non-bluetooth version of this lock. He had it in a vice to hold it stationary and crank on the nut splitter. It was braced to give him more leverage. Notice how long it took him to break that rivet. Try the same test but hanging between a bike and the solid stationary object you're locked to where the links can move. I believe it would take even longer.
The future of locks is what the lockPickingLawyer will decide 😅
In my opinion it takes way too much tampering to activate, i feel like the threshold could be a lot lower without having false positives
With a grinder, which is what they would need to use to attempt to cut something like this it would set it off very easily by the vibration alone. The way it was built was actually really well thought out in this case. If the bike was a cable than I would have to agree that it needs to be more sensitive but its a level 15 grade lock which protects itself and has bonus features to deter thieves.
That being said never depend on just one wall of defense. Use multiple locks, covers, alarms depending on the value of your bike. Also never leave your bike in the public overnight.
Loved Doddy's rye smile as he bashed and bashed to try and trigger the alarm😂
Oh the joys a 'paid promotion' .... never work with animals, children, and paid promo😰😂😂😂
LPL might struggle with this one.
But as I discovered, even when locking both wheels and frame it didn't stop someone from taking my handlebars off and stealing my forks!! Use 2 locks people, and make sure one goes thru forks and both wheels too.
The best advice comes from people who aren't getting paid by lock manufacturers.
The Bordo style locks are great to use. For my commuter bike I use a U-lock and a more basic Bordo in combination. This usually allows me to lock both wheels and the frame to most objects.
I can see the Abus folding lock you are showing is rated 15 but also ART 2 (ART is Dutch independant testing center) ART goes from one till five stars. So ART 2 is by far not the stongest among the bike locks. Its just standard. Here in Holland 2 stars is basic security and They advice 3 or 4 ART stars for bikes.
For my 400 euro mtb. I use small 4 star (ART) 16 mmU(D) motorLock. My second lock is folding lock( 2 stars ART) And a kryptonite kabel.
Agree... misleading marketing by abus. Annoying. Can be opened with large crops to a rivet or nut splitter. Maybe even the 2 spanner trick?
Abus security classifying is nothing than a sales trick, IMHO.
Just as example: czcams.com/video/dLXA5OAFZx0/video.html
You guys do realize the difference between bicycle ratings and motorcycles, right?
Great video Doddy! Iearnt some new stuff today! Thanks Doddy!
Once it actually started to alarm, not one single person turned around to take a look.
If you're a tea leaf with a battery powered angle grinder, you're not going to be put off by that.
It's simple, if you can aford an expensive bike, keep it for the weekend and other rides.
If you use a bike to get to work or go into town, go and get a cheap bso that can be locked up.
"If you're a tea leaf"
Autocorrect blessing you with some weird poetry there.
@@marcalvarez4890 A tea leaf is cockney rhyming slang for a thief.
Watch the ‘lock picking lawyer’ to see which bike lock he uses and buy that one 👍👍
Kryptonite evolution chain. Still pickable and cuttable. Altor SAF lock is pretty much angle grinder proof if u don't mind a 6kg lock
czcams.com/video/SpVOTEOMRuE/video.html He uses this one !!.... but as a balance of weight etc.... u can get tougher, but heavier, chain locks.
personally I use the "good enough against most people" philosophy. I have a long cable lock that can go through both wheels the saddle and the frame and still go around a tree. the lock is definitely not worth mentioning, the cable is a small diameter to save on weight. really it's more for the look of it. the way I figure it: if somebody's carrying around a tool to be cutting cables, specifically with the idea of stealing a bike, then they're going to carry one able to cut a big cable anyway, so why carry a big cable around? in terms of locks if they know how to pick a lock then based on LPL they can get through it under 5 minutes realistically my best bet would be to have one with a cylinder type key since that would require a special tool to get past but as pointed out most people would probably go for the Brute Force method and not worry about picking
@@James-rf2ln You mustve missed the part where LPL said he only uses it on his low quality bike.
If you have a really expensive bike it's worth knowing that on the black market it's a lot easier/less risky to sell off the parts than to try and sell the complete bike. So it's not uncommon for thieves to chop through a carbon frame just to get the parts to sell on ebay...
Just make a lock with angle-grinder grade steel such that an angle grinder will wear down all the way before it can cut through the lock
You think that'd be easy....nope
No….. never ever leave your pride and joy in public unattended……. ever!
I like the locks, I have passed the folding locks myself. So thank you Doddy for opening my eyes to them. Xmas present to myself just wish I could find the smart ones here in the west coast of Canada.
Maybe dont watch the lock picking lawyer videos on those type of locks!
If ur interested czcams.com/video/Zs8uyPsDaw0/video.html
#GMBNTech So impressed with this lock that it's the first one I'd consider using. I don't ever lock my bike up to a rack in public. But I always have my bikes locked to my truck while slung over a tail gate mat. This would be the perfect tool to ensure my bikes stay with my truck while getting lunch or running errands before/after my ride.
"This is LockPickingLawyer and today I'm going to pick this lock with a pencil"
I definitely thought about him too
Lol, just wiggle it open!
I've got a smart "U-lock" by Noke and I am so pleased. It's just a shame that the public has not seen the advantages of these locks and allowed the companies to sustain such wonderful products. It would be great if you did a review of the different types and brands of smart-locks out there.
If it opens from an app or in anyway electronically, you should know it can likely be opened with a strong magnet, in 1 second. Check out the LPL vids on 'smart' locks. Not dissing, just trying to spread awareness to reduce thefts.
I love how the alarm goes off in the street and nobody pays the slightest bit of attention to it, lol.
I never thought that the locking it part was the problem… preventing people for cutting it off and also getting bystanders to challenge someone using bolt cutters to take a bike…,
I still use the good old fashioned ones
That looks like Toff . . . SICK!?!?!?!?!?
Did ABUS write the script for you?
Thank you Mr Dodd..I use a combo of U-lock and cable to get both wheels and the frame . It's still a chance every time , I limit the times I have to do this, and make sure its in a public area? Peace
I use the kryptanight new york locks and a abus gold rated (15) rated chain and i've just ordered the new locklight D1000 angle grinder proof lock.
NOT angle grinder proof. Angel grinier RESISTANT. Important to make the distinction.
This reminds me of cars with push button starts, easier to bypass computer security systems than a physical key.
However, if the lock was key operated but had a phone sim built in to the lock and then alerted you via text that it is being attacked/moved that would be interesting. 🤔😏
If I’m inside a work these Bluetooth locks or alarms are a bit useless. A text sent to me from the lock would be better, so I could go out and stop the thief.
that WAS one of the features mentioned... HOWEVER if the lock only takes somebody a minute to pick, they'd be half done by the time the first warning sounded, and by the time I get to the ground floor, they'd be gone with my bike, and the lock would just be laying there on the ground with the alarm going off
I am , using 6500 it’s very impressive and very high secure but some negative things like it’s very heavy and the second one is more better like GPS system not just alarm , the alarm take 30 seconds. This is a lot of time.
Is it grinder resistant/slowing? Without that they'll be through the lock and away before the alarm goes off. It's worth a street test against the new hiplock
Quick question. If a theft tries to break the lock, will the App notify me even though I'm outside the Bluetooth range? Thanks
Not a single person even turned around when the alarm went off lol
I use the Abus 6500A smartX lock the phone app works fine but the extra remote control is a bit hit & miss and i have to use the phone app when the remote fails to work :( A video on about the remote would be useful ;)
To break a good lock -> you have to make lot of noises and "everybody" around can see that you do some thing "wrong".
This lock when use nut spliter: you work undetecting and withoout noise -> nobody see or hear what you doing.
Do not buy that lock.
Buy decent D-lock with alarm.
I recommend to do a research before recommending something.
I would never dare lock my mountain bike in public.
You just leave it unlocked when going to the store/gym/work?
Same. My bikes don't get left on their own.
@@christoferstromberg6605 Have a commuter bike for work and shopping. I still like to put nice bits on my work/commuter bikes and consequently have had quite a few stolen.
I guess the links of the folding locks are just a different form of chain link. Be interested to see if bike lock price are the same or higher than the similar quality motor bike locks.
Insurance is key! I had 8 locks cut through the only one they didn’t cut was an Oxford products D-lock had no insurance lost 5grand.
Yesterday i went to pick up my Voodoo Braag which was 580 and i went to go pick up my store order, chained my bike up near 2 CCTV cams and w 3 chains, when i come out the store, everyone was around my bike looking at the broken locks. Anyways would you suggest getting a bike insurance or not?
How would this hold-up to angle grinder which is what's usually used in places like NYC.
Does the alarm go off if someone doesnt bang the lock but simply uses a cutting tool without moving the lock a whole lot?
Hiw to proceed to get the same key for 3 4 locks. Thanks
My best lock is never leaving my bike. And i have a crappy bike for commuting.
Not a single person in the background was bothered to even turn his head at a sound :DDD
I've got a folding lock by squire locks amazing lock supper secure however its sometimes not long enough.
They are not a strong design sorry....watch the LPL vids on destructive tests on them .czcams.com/video/Zs8uyPsDaw0/video.html... chain way better. Hope that helps keep ur bike safer
@@rupedog that was 3 years ago I'm sure they are far better now
@@llove-electrical Quite the casual asumption. LMAO Can lead a horse to water, but they wont drink if they are stupid.
Battery operated circular saw beats them all. Alarm telling you lock is being tampered with to alert your phone sounds great. When small gps devices get more accurate, that will help a lot I’d think.
that feature might be better if the alarm portion was locked to the frame separately so that they'd have to listen to it even after they took the bike. Although people in most cities are so used to people setting off alarms by accident that nobody pays attention to it anymore. in fact it's so common that birds mimic the car alarms... kind of sad really
I would never use a single key system, or even the same brand of lock, especially when using both locks to secure my bike. Having to defeat two different systems makes life much harder for bike thieves, particularly if they try to pick the locks.
The clip of Toff setting the alarm off proves that these types of alarms are useless, 3 people in the back group and no a single one turns to look, as they don’t give a fuck about some one else’s property.. plenty of videos of bike thieves using angle grinders while people walk past without blinking an eye..
I noticed that no body looked around when it went off no doubt due to the high number of car alarms that go off daily for seemingly no reason however if it makes the thief doubt he’s going to be successful it’s done it’s job and they still have to get the thing off
Battery saw would work, right? The lock would barely move. I’d have to see a demonstration
When they gave cars immobilisers all that happened is they switched to car jacking/lifting the keys. If you lock up your 7k bike with an unbreakable lock expect to be mugged the moment you unlock the bike, you being far more squishy than the lock..
IMO the best bike lock for an emtb has yet to be made. It needs to follow the mobile phone bricking method rendering it worthless to thieves, it worked for car radio's/GPS/mobiles. Clearly anything that's valuable/electric and mobile need such a thing and it's negligent of the manufacturers not to consider it.
How about a segment on bike theft, I heard in France its now compulsory to register ownership of a bike in a central data base. What about what happened in Richmond park (my local park) with the scooter gangs robbing cyclists with machetes?
@@RealMTBAddict So the shoot u first in the back then take ur keys at leisure...and steal ur gun too!
You think its common for a theif to wait around for someone to steal their bike?
@@OptimusSatanas There's the rumor (haven't see a source) that people have been followed home from trail centres (bikes on show), then robbed.
Bikes are expensive, easy to steal, hard to trace, easy to part and in the UK the police don't investigate bike theft.
Will a cordless angle grinder set off the alarm?
cool loved the vid
I am looking for a frame lock with wire for my MTB
The lady in the background didn't even look. 🤣
LPL and Bosnian Bill would laugh at the sight of any of these.
What scares me about smart locks is to be hacked by something like a Flipper Zero device. Anyone knows if that would be a possible thing?
Secondly, most disk brake locks are 110 to 120 db. I admit I didn't hear any in person but 100 db doesn't seem that big of a deal to me.
Lmao "less stealable"
You don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun your friend 🙂
Foldable locks are easily taken apart. czcams.com/video/Zs8uyPsDaw0/video.html Imagine using an electric tool to drive this.
Not one person in the background even turned and looked around when the alarm went off outside.
Always great videos and information, but please get rid of that aggravating background music.
So Toff was walking to nick Richards bike all a long
The alarm feature is v good idea I think, especially for cafe/lunch stops etc....but so so poorly executed...u literally have to bash the shiv out of it to trigger!!🙄 AND £100 extra! Wow 😬. Thats outrageous...
A bolt cutter side-on to a rivet wouldn't even trigger the warning beep.
Got me thinking, If you could put a farb spray thing init, An make it target the face lol, Or in the app put a camera on it so you could spray it yourself lol, I proper hate bike thieves, I bought an ongaurd D lock gold rated, Plus a disc lock with 113 decibles alarm on it, 2nd movement an alarms belting, I even bought leo-moto brake lock aswell, Still all 3 locks together is mad weight, Worth the weight in gold when your E-bike conversion is the only way of commuting, Lot of time an money aswell, Yeah the disc locks with alarms on are good, Put 2 on it aswell if you wanted twice as loud or would it be lol, One thing that is hard to find is a tracker that can be inserted in the frame, Not many available for resonable prices, If anyone knows what tracker i can find that sits inside the bike frame please let me know...
I actually rang my local MP's office askng if anything can be done to set up bike garage type lock up outside superstores with somebody and savailance, An just charge a pound for locking your bike up, After so long it will pay for its self like car parks do in hosptitals but they still charge you crazy prices, lol....
But yeah every shop should have some sort of bike lock up thats a lot safer than a metal pole on the street corner, More people would actually use their expensive E-bikes to go shopping with, You be suprised how much shopping goes in paneir bags an a ruck sack, But yeah i can see families doing bike rides to the shops if a safe garage type lock up for bikes was there, In summer time kids would wanna go shopping if it means a bike ride, Think about it, Political people said its down to the shops they have no say on that sort of thing, Shops being private or summit, Either way it dont help, A lot of people even with a bunch of locks still wont use there expensive bikes to go shopping with, Those treck E-bikes not cheap, Im amazed they still that expensive, Quality or not, Way i see it, Sell it less an you will sell more, There for selling more, Reason i converted my own E-bike coz its only way i could afford to even get an E-bike, Great fun doing the build tho, Felt proud of my work, An it works great aswell, But yeah it be nice to see superstores setting up garage style lock ups for bikes, Self Storage style an garantee people will use their bikes to go shopping, Exercise an get shopping done at same time happy days......
Doddy check out the lock picking lawyer channel he shows all the weaknesses of locks including bike locks
czcams.com/video/Zhz9g6A_fuI/video.html
Just a little question for you can people stay at your mountain bikes with a tenner gas and Armagh because I've been told but it's not reliable information I thought I'd ask seems you seems to be the expert
i5 from Chester 🇬🇧👍......
Because if that is the case it's not against the law to carry a tin of gas and a hammer really because you can say you've just bought it from a shops to GMBN Tech
I use a chain 🔒 and a I have a high-end cable 🔒
Is there any security for the Bluetooth because you're well aware Bluetooth can be asked what am I missing the bigger picture..
Dont use anything below purple belt locks
What happens if your phone is stolen? Walk home I guess?
So the alarm only works if you hit it with a hammer🤣
so i see a lot of bashing on this in the comments but no sensible alternative comments? Does anyone want to put up some alternative options?
I would rather the lock notify me on my phone in order that I can confront the thief. People are so used to alarms they pay them no attention.
Nice paid advertisement… if you really want an angle grinder proof lock, choose a LITELOK x1 or x3.
Bennett’s Motorcycle insurance say it’s the toughest lock they have ever tried to break!
No pedestrian would turn its head nowadays when an alarm goes off, I’m afraid. Why the Smartlock wouldn’t trigger instead an alarm in(!) your smartphone if the lock is touched? At least you would know that you have 2-3 minutes to reach your bike and kick the thief’s ass… THAT would be effective!
If a thief takes a grinder with him to steal your bike and the lock stops him, I’d be surprised if your bike frame hasn’t been cut out of malice before he leaves. Gold locks are great, I have them but it’s all about deterrent so a £50 lock is as good as a £250 lock in that respect because your bike will be totalled if the thief is unable to steal it, just make it enough a deterrent so he looks for another bike that’s not yours! The money you save on the £250 locks, pay insurance as that’ll replace the bike with new should the worse happen and it is stolen.
Answer: NO all they do is tell you your bike has just been stolen.
In-built GPS trackers, secure bike parking & frame stamped/registered ID numbers r better
And no one in the back ground turned around ...... hmmm most use a battery operated angle grinder ....
Non stop commercial for one brand....
people didnt even care lol. if u have expensive bike go with ilockit it has sim card and gps with alarm so if someone touch ur bike alarm will work and also send u an sms and notification to the app. and cost less.
Those ziplock style ones are useless they don't count as a lock for me. Replace thrm with a folding one
Typically alarm no one batted an eyelid. Make it a baby crying then ppl would notice
Ive got an alarm/light under my saddle...You should see peoples faces when i walk away and Arm it....Ha ..Just another deterent
I'm gonna say 'Nope'
Electro shocks only
Nobody is reacting to the alarm 😅
Damn the youtube dislike button is gone. Really sad but this video gets a like
I did notice, that during the live test in town, when the alarm went off, no one IN SHOT, turned to look! This is society!
takes too long for alarm to come on mate
Seemed rather too insensitive to me.. Plus at that price... No..
The cheaper model with an additional lock and independent movement alarm sensor would be best.. Not to get the public to notice but do you can react..
Bottom line is no decent bike can be made secure in any city... Lock the bike yes but don't let it out of your site..
At home bring it inside the home..
No one even looked when the alarm went off
What future?
No way. Just another thing that can go wrong and the thieves don't care.
The only bike I leave locked in public is my 90's beater single speed.. 30 years old and looks like rubbish.
Is anyone really gonna carry something that heavy on a mtb session? Looks great for commuting bikes etc but we need someone to come up with a much lighter device for mtb .
If your on your mountin bike actually mountin biking in the mountains , why would you even need to lock your bike? Just curious
finn yeah fair point.i do alot of riding alone in england(Surrey hills),and stop for coffee/toilet breaks which is when for a few minutes I leave the bike unattended because I cant be arsed to carry a lock with me for 4/5 hours.
@@andysmith-bq4os makes sense ,I carry a cheap cable lock in my saddle bag but hardly ever use it, as I don't really let my bike out of sight , it wouldn't offer much protection to basic tools but it enough to stop any opertuenist thief and that's enough out in the sticks I think , take care and don't leave your bike unattended
I agrre
a car scissor jack smashes a u lock
Holy crap! As soon as this vid was uploaded I did refer to LPL what caused GMBN Tech to DELETE MY COMMENT!
But you can´t delete all the other comments too, GMBN. Didn´t work as expected, huh!?
SHAME ON YOU!