Should You Buy A Budget Hammock? - Backpacking
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- čas přidán 23. 07. 2024
- Buying your first backpacking hammock can be a daunting task. It is easy to be enticed by the low priced hammock options on the market. However, you will soon be disappointed by it's poor performance and the lack of sleep you will get! In this video, I will go over some basics on what to look for when buying your first hammock. I'll help you find the best backpacking hammock to get.
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A trick to help a cheap hammock lay better with you flat is I tie a ridge line between the two Carabiners. This lets the actual fabric of the hammock droop while the straps are at a proper 45degree angle. When you get in, you notice an immediate difference.
Try doing a ridge line between the clips
I disagree, I started out in a $20-30 Wal-Mart hammock with no under quilt, no bug net, and no tarp, and I love hammock camping now.
Well I did too... but I agree with the video. If I had started with a warbonnet or something I probably would have liked it more from the beginning and spent less money ultimately.
That's awesome you could start that light. But to disagree is only seeing your region and temperatures. Being in the PNW, I need under quilt even in summer. A rainfly is a must as well.
@@alpha6dog You have a good point. I'm just stating my point of view. Although, I also live in the PNW. I was born and raised here. My profile picture is actually from a backpacking trip in the Olympic rainforest with the hammock I mentioned.
@@ShinyNickelBlades yeah...I'm from mid East coast..lol...now around Mt Hood. I tried a night at elevation without an under-quilt..lol like sleeping on an AC vent.
@@alpha6dog Lol. Yeah, I moved to the southeast for a few years, and I completely understand how different it can feel to someone who is used to a different climate.
Don't all hammocks have banana lay if you don't lay at an angle? I bought a amazon hammock with straps and then bought a adjustable ridgeline off a cottage supplier. all of this for less than $30.00. And its very comfortable. If you were hiking the AT I would suggest a name brand quality hammock. For the casual to moderate hiker I would say most but not all amazon hammocks are fine. I would also recommend that if you are going to drop a good amount of money do it on your underquilt. Sleeping pads in a hammock are doable and certain people prefer that. Its ok because everyone has to find what works for them. If a $10 hammock works for you in the woods then enjoy it...if $100 hammock works for you then enjoy it. Now on the flip side if the $100 hammock wasn't for you then you are sol....some people find out hammock camping isn't for them. I would bet on the simple fact it comes down to them not having the knowledge of a underquilt or sleeping pad. And not setting up their hammock properly while laying in it at the proper angle.
I think part of it is that a lot of the parachute hammocks and budget hammocks out there are only 8-9.5 feet long (with some exceptions of course). A lot of people believe that to get a good diagonal, flat lay, you need a hammock that is 10-11 feet long, depending on your height. (my 10 foot hammock is barely enough for me, but the most comfortable hammock I ever slept in was 12 feet long.) He didnt explicitly say this is why, but personally I think hammock dimensions are a big part of why banana lay is so common in short, budget parachute hammocks. It's a big reason why I wouldn't dare buy ENO's new(ish) Sub6 oz "ultralight" hammock. It may weigh under 6 ounces, but it doesnt have the dimensions for me to lay properly.
That said, I agree that what forks for one person may not work for another. Im a big proponent of getting people outside no matter the cost. I started in an eno singlenest and slept in it for almost 4 years before I realized that there was a better option out there! And I still own that hammock to lend to friends on trips.
@@kayveroutdoors5411 well said....so many things to take into consideration. I found Shug on youtube many years ago and he really does I good job explaining everything about hammock camping. The most important part is getting out and enjoying hammock camping with what ever piece of gear you can afford. I mentioned Shug because he is very inspiring and is a good resource for hammockers.
@@kdph7848 Shug is awesome! He's the reason I decided to stop hating on winter. For the first time in my life Im sad to see it ending and I havent let the cold stop me from getting out there!
@@kayveroutdoors5411 just checked out your channel....I subscribed.👍look forward to seeing your hikes.
@@kayveroutdoors5411 lol...I need to give into that winter hiking myself. 40s and 30s but not the neg 0 stuff he has done. Might put that on my bucket list.
I'll have to say that if someone just wants to get into hammock camping without having to mess around with a bunch of stuff, it's best to go with a more expensive setup like the Blackbird. But, if budget is a major factor, it is entirely possible to be just as comfortable going the cheap route. If you make sure to get a hammock that's at least 11 feet long, an average height guy (6ft) shouldn't have a problem getting a flat, diagonal lay. Also, you can get enough Amsteel for $6 to make a set of whoopee slings for your suspension, and they are very simple to make. For that same $6, you can add an Amsteel structural ridgeline to your budget 11' Amazon hammock, just like the Warbonnet has. You can even make your own hammock! If you have a couple of hours, access to a sewing machine and basic sewing skills (or the desire to learn), or know someone who does, you can get a hammock kit with absolutely everything you need to make a hammock for less than $30.
Basically, it all depends on how important it is to save money & what you're willing to do to save it. Honestly, I think the skills learned in making or modifying your gear is good, because in the event that your gear fails on the trail, you'll already have the necessary skills to repair it.
That's my two cents.
Are Hennessys good
@@duncangavitt2187 Yes.
Budget hammock + good insulation has provided me great sleep on my backpacking trips.
Huh. Bought a 7 dollar hammock on sale. Same materials... lay at an angle and used a yoga mat with a light weight fleece blanket. Warm and hands down the most comfortable sleep I've ever had in the bush. Also, if you want the Ridgeline. Just add one...
Been to the Rockies about 15 times in my younger days and did a ton of car camping in the Minnesota and Wisconsin forests. Now I'm retired. After a long absence from camping I quickly realized that I now hated tents. Way too much crawling and laying on the ground. I especially hated bending all the way over while pounding in a dozen or so stakes and guy lines. Then huffing and puffing to fill up a mattress that wasn't all that comfortable.
Hammocks really changed that for me. The setup is rather easy with only four stakes needed for the tarp. The rest of the setup and takedown can be done standing up. I sleep great in a hammock which is the biggest reason to go the hammock route, regardless of age. Dan made a great point about underquilts, just get one. Preferably down if the temps are dipping down to freezing or below.
Lastly, hammocks are not for everybody. Some people will not like a hammock no matter what. Do make sure you have a decent outdoor outfitter or friends available that can demonstrate a properly setup hammock. Then make your decision.
The last time I went camping, my sister loaned me a tent that you just throw on the ground and it unfolds itself into a tent and sets itself up. It was really neat to see. Still needed an air mattress and stakes, so your points are very valid, but it's neat to see that they're working to eliminate some of the pains of tent camping.
Thank you for convincing me to do more research before hitting the 'order' button on an Amazon hammock that I wasn't too sure about! I have one on the way now I feel fairly confident with.
Thank you for showing me that option! I think ill love this Campingtechnique!
I'm a tent guy but this is an informative video for anyone looking to break into hammocks.
that is why you lay at an angle, or put a pillow or your extra clothes under your legs! I have over ten hammocks, some are top end and some are $20 dollar ones as well. Even with the cheap ones if you have the right technique it can still be very comfortable!
Well said. The cheap ones are fine as long as they're long enough. 10 ft minimum I think is the way to go. But basically you're just using the modular approach, which I prefer anyway. Dutchware has great gear to accommodate the modular approach
The hammock I use all the time was $25 including straps from Sam's club. I added a static ridge line with $1 worth of cord at a local outdoor store. I gave my straps to my kids and I mad my own straps out of a pair of rachet straps. I made my first under quilt with $30 of materials but recently upgraded to a $60 one from Amazon because it was a gift. All of it is super cheap and it's the most comfortable way I've ever slept.
I have a wise owl hammock definitely check them out!
I started with the ENO from Wal-Mart. Too short. I bought a One Wind setup with ridge line and bug net. Straps included. Big difference.
I've been in a Onewind for 3 years... Awesome quality at an affordable price...I'm on the trail most every weekend...Will never go to anything else...
Sleeping in a hammock is by far the best way to sleep in the woods. The problem is getting a set up that works for you and investing time and money into getting it right. As hammock camping gets more popular videos like yours will help the newbies out. You got a good channel, keep up the good work.
Being mindful this is an old video, I'm curious of your opinion of "cheap" hammocks for basic camping? I have two recently purchased specifically for day hikes and single night camping in state parks - the kind of situation where if something went awry we could bail and switch to car camping. My end goal is to work up to through hikes, but this seemed at the time like workable equipment to get my feet wet.
Great videos!
I have pretty much binged your entire collection over the last few days.
That being said, I kinda disagree with you about the inexpensive hammock thing.
My first hammock was a Grand Trunk single; cost me about $50. It's about 10.5ft long, and I had no problems getting a decent diagonal lay...not perfect, but still better than sleeping on the ground. I used a 20 year old Thermarest Explorer self-inflating pad. Again, not perfect, but it worked.
As I progressed in my hammocking, I bought an 11ft Nylon D from Dutch...cost about $35-40 shipped. I made my own Fronkey-style bugnet for around $20, and built my own cinch-buckle suspension for about another $12-15.
So, for around $75 total, I have a hammock system that has worked extremely well for me for the last 3-4 years.
I did drop the Thermarest a couple of years ago and bought a gently used KAQ UQ off of Hammock Forums. That was really the game-changer!!
My point is: you don't have to go all-out at first and spend $200+ to get a decent nights sleep.
Will I eventually "upgrade" to a Chameleon/Warbonnet/Darien? Yeah, probably, just because I love buying gear 😉😉😉, but I think the big $$ should initially be spent on insulation. That, (for me anyway), is the real key to a good nights sleep.
My 2 cents.
Thanks again for the great content!
What?? You’re not allowed to disagree with me! I’m always right! 😂😂😂
That is awesome how you were able to come up with such a great hammock solution for such little money! If only all new backpackers were able to do that. Grand Trunk does make some decent hammocks I hear. I’m just trying to think of the simplest solution to help new backpackers out. Unfortunately most of them are not DIY capable! Sounds like you’ve got a lot of experience making your own stuff! I wish I had that ability! Oh, and thank you so much for watching my videos :-) I just started putting them up a few weeks ago and was wondering if anybody was ever going to watch even one! LOL!
Dan Becker
No previous DIY skills here, ha ha! Strictly learn as I go...luckily I have a wife who supports my little flights of fancy, (sometimes😄😄), and bought me my first sewing machine a couple of years ago.
We’re on a pretty tight budget so it forces me to be a little more crafty than I might naturally be inclined to be. Making my own gear tends to be a bit cheaper than purchasing it.
Most of my early projects are pretty rough looking, but get the job done.
Happy Fun Time Reviews she sounds like my wife! 😂
I'm with you. I went on a back country elk hunt with a Wally hammock. Watched a lot of vids but without practice, a really crappy time out. Cacooned,landed on my ass. Just rough. Did the same with dutchware, diy from joyful rambler top quilt Costco,doubled up I was down to 27°. Little more than yours but loving it
It’s funny how you kept buying more hammocks. The point was getting it almost right the first time. In any case, thanks for your input. I really appreciate the honest testimony
I use a well used an stretched out paracord hammock..
For an under quilt I use a cheap 2m x 1m tarp and tie it on hanging loose enough to trap a layer of air and made a small condensation drainage hole centre bottom.
The undrquilt can be stuffed with any insulating material in winter.
I use 2 side by side ridge lines separated by wood braces with notched grooves and a 3rd ridge line above to create a traditional loft/attic space.
The braces and ridgelines can all be used to hang useful items I keep to hand and once I fit my tarp I can use the tension between the tarp and ridge lines at the sides to slide items such as tobacco, lighter and other lightweight stuff.
I hang damp socks to dry from ridge lines etc.
Kit bag either stowed in ceiling space supported by the roof braces or emptied of valuables and hung from hammock (climbing) karabiner at head or foot end.
Small kit bags and keys/knives/torches etc all hung from s hooks/karibiners on braces or ridge lines.. (even a whole big full kit bag can fit along top of strong wooden braces if needs be.)
I hang thin wool blankets from the side ridge lines for extra breathable insulation and to create privacy and insect protection
I also hang water bottles by their top lip just by wedging it up in the outside of hammock strings near top on the outside.
It is a v homely setup! I prefer it to my king-size bed (much to my neighbours bafflement and my wife's pleasure!)
I enjoy this as my year round man cave in the back garden with a sleeping bag to lie on or in and dont feel the knots or cold without need for anything else to lie on. (Additional wool blankets on top if sub zero)
Cushion/pillows hold themselves in place by poking corners through string hammock holes. I use a thin travel pillow for lower back, a cushion under knees, a few travel pillows under/around head.
Bliss!
Best review ever. Straight to the point, no nonsense review. I appreciate that
This was a good video. Im not sure you touched on why the difference between the cheap and good hammock. Is it the cut and assembly of the hammock itself that doesn't let you lay flat?
I also subscribed because of his disposition. Anticipating a lot of great videos !!!
Great info, straight to the point. Subscribed...
Wow, great stuff!
We agree on a lot Dan, but we differ on this subject. I have 30-35 nights in a standard hammock, that you are referring to as a budget hammock, and I crave that sleep often. I guess it just depends on what you get accustom to.
Im going to call foul on this one! I watch alot of your videos and find them very informative. My main concentration is being part of a FD Search and Rescue team in north Georgia and responsible for a good portion of the Appalachian trail. As you can imagine we get any number of calls for service from injured day hikers to lost hikers and being having no business in the woods!! As such I have to be prepared for a short day hike to a sprained ankle to a potential multi night stay for a lost person or worse a recovery. I noticed when you got into the Yukon hammock, you just stayed in the Banana position and did not even try to assume the angle allowing you to spread out! It seems like you were just trying to make a point and did not really even attempt to show if the hammock worked or not. Unfortunately I dont have the means to spend several hundred dollars one a single piece of equipment and sometimes have to make due with what I have as the dept. does not equip individuals. I may be wrong but your presentation certainly looked skewed if you compare your review of the Yukon Vs the War Bonnet!!!
Absolutely spot on with the angle. It was the first thing I spotted as well. Cheap hammocks can be every bit as comfortable as more expensive ones when used correctly. And definitely needs an underquilt or mat for insulation if not built in to it.
Dream Hammock Freebird. Budget netless hammock goodness.
Thanks for a great video. Just bought my first hammok, Norwegian Amok Drmur 5. Its a lie-flat (diagonal) hammok that converts to chair-mode. And im totally blown away. I just bought 3 more hammoks one to whifey and one each to my two kis. Have you heard of Amok or maby tried one? If so, what is your take on the Amokequipment hammoks?
So I saw in a recent video that you also have a Warbonnet Ridgerunner. Before I saw that i was going to buy the Blackbird XLC. Which do you like better and why? Pros and cons to each? And Tarps! We want to hear your thoughts on quality tarps too. I bought a no-name tarp off of Amazon and this past weekend went backpacking with my son on the AT in NC. We got rained on a lot and I guess I didn't set it up well. When the rain started the tarp absorbed water. The water was actually beading up on the inside of the tarp! As the tarp got heavier it touched the hammock soaking everything. Not comfortable after that. How do we prevent this from ever happening again?
Great review! I've practically lived in my warbonnet Blackbird xlc for a year I highly recommend.
I always use a 2 person hammock so i can lay at an angle, but the best thing i've discovered is a sleeping bag with a built in memory foam mattress, and it opens down the center,making it much easier to get in.
anyone know where i can find a video on camp setup for multiple hammocks? my boys are wanting to backpack with me now that they are old enough. setting up a successful camp with 3 hammocks has been a bit of a challenge. I know how to set up a decent single person camp, so I've just been doing that in a triangle but I'm not sure that's the most efficient use of space and then there is dodging lines and straps.... anyone got advice?
Is one wind a good hammock? I want to do something different than tent camping and saw some great reviews but I'm not familiar with anything hammock related yet.
Hey Dan have you tried Kammok Mantis hammock, if so what do you think about it
Your height will also make a difference. I'm 6'4" and I don't fit comfortably in a Warbonnet. I also purchased a Hennessy Ultralight Explorer Zip XL (3 pounds w/tarp) rated to 7' and it's snug. I had to upgrade to the Hennessy Safari Deluxe Zip XXL (5 pounds w/tarp) and it's very comfortable and pretty heavy. I've slept in a $23.99 Amazon hammock. It came with everything including tarp and straps. All I had to do is add a ridgeline. It wasn't comfortable for me, but it got me in the woods. I've tried many hammocks with different results. Length and width plays a factor when I buy a hammock now. I'm currently trying the Dutchware Chameleon Wide
I generally steer newbies towards a Hennessy Hammock. Basically a cottage guy (makes them in the US and Canada) who was one of the originals. I like that he has a fairly complete setup and a decent price. Not super cheap, but not warbonnet expensive either. Get a double layer or the supershelter add in and you have a very good complete system. I prefer the old school bottom opening myself, but they make side zips as well. They also have a good range including some relatively light ones. Often have sales and thrown in snake skins and extra long straps...
Kind of surprised you never mentioned Hennessey as he was really the guy who popularized hammock camping. I know he sells out of REI and Mec in Canada and gets some crap from you tubers for not being cottage enough, but that is just BS... he was successful. I have still gotten personal service from him when I enquired about an ultralight backpacker tor just over the weight limit. He whipped me up one with the 250lb ropes for an extra oz...
Oh and they often have a sale at Christmas... get a hammock and they give you a free scout hammock for the kids... got my kids into hammocks!
In any case, while some are out innovating him these days his hammocks are a good deal for a newbie looking for the entire system.
Not a lot of cottage companies ship to Canada. I find Hennessy to be one of very few viable options here. I'm in the market for a hammock, I've been looking for something specific. Hennessey is just about the only company that offers what I'm looking for.
Amen to that speech
Many years ago, our family rented a cabin from one of the men in the Hennessey family (the hammock inventor's brother). We had a wonderful week on Lake Bonaparte, NY, in the Hennessey family's rustic childhood cabin. There was a hammock in it & I wish we had set it up to try. I think I will finally buy one lol.
What do you think about the Ridge outdoors Pinnacle 360? Have you checked that one out yet
What I appreciate about this video is the fact that even though lot of people know about hammocks...there are a lot of new comers out there just learning and this video is perfect for them. I watch all sorts of channels about camping and the like,. People trash these videos because they have knowledge, but there are a hole lot of people just learning the basics. So with that said. .thankyou my friend
I started with banana lay hammocks and they suit the purpose for lounging in the backyard or at the beach,,,, but for backpack camping my Warbonnet Blackbird XLC is the Hilton in the woods for comfort in all 4 seasons. The great thing with Warbonnet products is you can buy the hammock, tarp and underquilt in one-stop shop. Customer service from this made in USA company is outstanding. 4 years later and I cherish my sleep in the Blackbird.... I actually sleep longer in the hammock than I do in my own bed at home.
I just bought my first hammock, (prior to watching this) the sea to summit UL single. Any advice for a new hammock camper?
Great choice for a first hammock! A bit small for me, so I just picked up the Sea To Summit UL XL. Advice: 1- LAY DIAGONAL! You'll lay more flat and your back will thank you in the morning. 2- Use a bugnet in the apropriate season. You can pick up bug nets that go around the hammock for cheap and light, theres a $13 one on amazon thats pretty light (look for lolo bug net and youll find it but there are other similar options). 3- Set up a tarp rain fly above you if you expect rain, pull it in tighter to you for blocking wind. 4-As he mentions early in the video, use some kind of under insulation. Toss a sleeping pad in the hammock and climb on in, set up an underquilt under you or use something like a Hyke and Byke "Hammock Compatable" sleeping bags. Once youve got your underside covered, grab your favorite quilt or sleeping bag and enjoy a good night's sleep. Hope this advice helps!
Great video!
I went all out when I picked up a hammock and ended up with a 4 season Hennessy and have no regrets! Spendy yes, but all I need is the hammock and my sleeping bag and I’m good to go. I have yet to get cold or wet in it and have endured some pretty nasty storms. As nice as it is though it’s hard to beat the space a tent provides and find myself tent camping much more often.
If you could only order one hammock from one vender, who would it be?dream hammock,dutch,or simply light design?
For an excellent hammock look up DD Hammocks in the UK they do a hammock called a Frontline XL which costs £75 sorry don't know what that is in dollars it's excellent quality I'm 6.1 and 18 stones best nights sleep ever and it didn't break the bank great video keep um coming
I will say about your note on underquilts. I totally also thought that they were crazy expensive. I could've sworn I checked years ago and I couldn't find one under $250. Something must've happened though because there are TONS on amazon for the same price as a nice sleeping pad. I just got the "ayamaya 15 degree underquilt" for $50 on amazon and last night I was comfortably sleeping through a snow storm in my hammock in 24 degree weather using that underquilt, my down bag, and a bivi!
Someone once told me that a banana type hammock was good because the feet and legs are raised after a long day of hiking. Can anyone confirm this or is the flat style the way to go? Sorry, but I've always used a tent but getting a hammock this fall....
ENO Junglenest hammock is a good, simple, relatively inexpensive option with an integrated bugnet.
Great video, I kept wondering throughout the video if your son was actually filming you until the end of the video when you mentioned it lol, people spend lots of money buying straps and using heavy carabiners or even those dutch buckles (or whatever they're called), you can just get a few straps (usually about 10 bucks) from your local hardware store, ditch all the metal parts (because is too heavy) and use a Sheet Knot to attach your hammock, you can find videos here on how to make a sheet knot, I bought mine in home depot and they have a loop on one end witch is the end I use to attach the strap to the tree, if your straps don't have a loop on one end you can just make a Bowline knot, my 10 feet long straps weight 6 oz where some of the hammock straps with carabiners can weight upwards of one pound, I'm just putting my two cents if you want to save money and weight
I would personally love to have the Warbonnet, but when I priced it out, it was close to $500, including the tarp.
Compared to some I have seen with hammock, bug screen and straps for $80-100.
Budget hammock with a cheap sleeping pad in it is a good move. I’ve learn to put my lad into my sleeping bag so it can’t move around at all
Ive been using a walmart one for a couple years...no probs..actually pretty decent...not super great but has brought much joy...for 29$ with a bugnet...i like iy
Been using cheap hammock big wool kilt blanket wrap it under the hammock and the leftover fold it and stuff it into the hammock boom under quilt sleep pad and blanket for sleep you can also wear the kilt as a coat
I got a ESOW Camping Hammock with Mosquito Net and use a cot underneath it. Anyone doing that?
I LOVE the plug for your son's channel
Hi Dan! Great video! I have designed and produced a hammock myself, having all the pros of the expensive one you're talking about, but for a fraction of the price and without sacrificing materials or quality. Would you be interested to see and test it? Cheers!
Cardboard makes great insulation. I sleep in a hammock every night. The most comfortable is with a thermarest, big blanket, and a decent sleeping bag and pillow. My dog, who sleeps in it with me every night, and I can get really comfortable. Currently trying to upgrade my sleep system. Lawson has a decent hammock that you can also use as a one man tent.
Dan Becker is giving you some good information. I have been hammock camping for most of my life. I have enough hammocks to supple a scout troop , well at lease 9 Scouts. If you are camping in Mosquito territory please get one with a double bottom and preferably in the 70D material. My personal choice is the Warbonnet Blackbird with the double bottom. The material and double bottom has keep me from becoming a mosquitoes buffet. The integrated bug net over the top protects me from above. Recently a few other manufactures are making mosquito proof hammocks. ( Hennessy Hammocks and Clark Hammocks)
Hammocks are like anything else , you get what you pay for.
My preferred insulation is a mummy style self inflating mattress , full length and 1/2 to 3/4 inflated so it conforms to my body and the hammock.
Can you spray bug spray on the underside of a hammock?
My first and only so far hammock was like $30aus on wish.com. Have slept in it twice now. Pretty comfy. Mosquito net, double ridge line, came with ropes. Will take it out on the trail sometime
The number one tip I have for beginner hammock campers is to make sure your feet are elevated higher than your torso. It naturally gives you a flatter (feeling) lay in whatever hammock you use. I've owned two hammocks, one cheap one for about ten years, and my new (five month old) Warbonnet Eldorado which is the same main body as the Blackbird XLC that Dan shows in this video. I've camped hundreds of nights in my hammocks, close to forty in my Eldorado already. The only few times I've ever been uncomfortable is when my feet are not high enough and my body tends to slide down to the low spot near the middle of the hammock. With higher feet my body and head stay where I want and don't creep down and make me feel cramped. I'm sure it's possible to have your feet too high, but I've never accidentally done that. It's easy to have your feet too low, and it's usually not something you notice until about 4am.
Another bit of advice: My cheap hammock worked best when I hung it very tight. I slept like a mummy, but I found that to be comfortable for me. It only bothered me when I wanted to play with my phone and my elbows had nowhere to go. So try hanging tighter than the recommended 30° strap angle if you have a cheap hammock.
Chilling in my Eldorado hammock with my phone hanging on my ridgeline while watching Dan Becker's CZcams videos is like having a king-size bed and a giant flat screen TV! It is a nice hammock. And it's cheaper than the Blackbird, but without a couple cool features. My Eldorado can be upgraded to be identical to a Blackbird XLC though, and I haven't felt a need for the other features yet. I might get a Blackbird Winter Top-cover at some point.
The big problem with a "too tight" hang is concentration of weight. Shug has a video on it where he is demonstrating hang angle, and his hammock snaps. If you sleep diagonally, you'll actually be flatter at a 30degree than you would be with a "too tight" hang. However, with a structural ridge-line, you can get by with a lot of different hang angles.
Not going to lie I started with eno changed up the suspension system amd other than my wife getting me a couple of other hammocks like a warbonnet I was pleased with that budget option and still use it up to this day. Great video keep it going.
That’s awesome! You must be meant for hammock camping! ENO is one of the few hammocks in the ‘budget’ range that many people seem to love. Thanks for watching!!!!
Love my Eno.
Any thoughts on the haven XL
I bought a cheap 11' Amazon hammock. It's amazing. Added a ridgeline & snakeskin. It's awesome.
Which one did you choose?
I know this sold but I got a budget hammock and used for almost 8 years in PWN winters and it's the best sleep I have ever had backpacking. I avoid tent sleeping if I can.
8:31... Bro there ain't nothing "flat" about you laying in any hammock, let alone that one.
I've got the onewind 12 ft double wide hammock. I've never slept so good in my life
I have back problems and the hammock is comfortable to me! It depends on each person
I sleep every night in a cheap hammock and it is much more comfortable than a nice mattress. And I'm also a side sleeper. You don't want to sleep on the mid-line of any hammock, so I would worry more about warmth over that. Otherwise, good info, thank you for sharing!
You didn’t lay at an angle with the cheap hammock. You changed factors and variables to fit a narrative. Not sure if you got paid to but I think a budget hammock works just fine with proper research and preparation. Also, if you throw a sleeping bag in your hammock you will be fine. And lay at an angle of course.
Sad, because this is a person that we use to help us.
An update would do his viewers a service.
Comparing anything from 3 years ago makes a world of difference imho.
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I’m actually looking at a hammock for 2019 i’m 6’4’’ so i was looking a Hennessy Jungle Explorer Zip double bottom. What is your thoughts on that?
I owned a Hennessy for a while. It’s a great hammock! My main issue with them is the weight. They can be heavy. Of course they are built like tanks so you know your getting quality. If you’re thinking car camping or shorter hiking then it’s gonna do the job. But if you’re looking for something for backpacking, you might want to consider a lighter hammock. Dream Hammock can make you a super customized hammock to any specs you want for a very reasonable price. And I’ve heard they are fantastic. My Warbonnet Blackbird XLC fits me perfectly and I’m 6’ 2” 210 pounds. The single layer XLC is also half the weight of the Hennessy you’re looking at. Of course by the time you add a tarp it will possibly be another $100 for you. Hope that helps! Just my two cents!!!
Dream hammock or Dutchware
Great options!
YMMV, but I actually love the budget hammock I got for $5 on a special. Now, keep in mind, I'm 5'1" tall woman, so yeah, there is that. I did buy a higher-end hammock that doesn't perform any better.
The BEST thing someone who is considering hammock camping can do is to ask around and see if anyone in their area has hammocks so they can compare.
is a hammock a good idea for people with back problems? I'm a belly/side sleeper ontop of having a bad back due to nerve damage. Yeah I know, it's a viscous cycle. I do roll a lot and find Im usually most comfortable in that side sprawl. I am rarely able to fall asleep on my back unless I've had a few bourbons before bed. I worry that a hammock will put stress on my lower back and neck. Or should I just bring more bourbon on the trail? 😁
try it out! maybe not on trail for the first time ;)
start off with a cheap hammock from amazon f.e. and maybe search for one which is about 11 feet long or close to this.
watch shugemery's channel here on youtube to get an idea how to setup and pitch a hammock properly, then try laying in it comfortably.
it will take some time to get comfy but you'll know if its yours or not ;)
Same here. Make sure you have a hammock that is over 10 feet (some brands like Grand Truck say they are over 10 feet, but they are measuring from carabiner to carabiner. You wan't 10 feet of actual hammock). Look up and familiarize yourself with a structural ridge-line and diagonal lay, and you're good to go, even with back problems.
Nice video but I have to disagree on some things like cheap hammock = bad sleep. Not sure if that was how you ment for it to come across but thats how i perceived it. anyway ive been camping plenty of times and slept in some pretty cheap hammocks (one trip i forgot to pack mine and bought a lounge hammock from the gift shop at the state park i was in and while yes the more you spend the better the quality usually but as far as the comfortability and warmth there are many many ways to get around those issues. when i go anywhere in the wilderness i always have that cheap hammockand my poncho / woobie (poncho liner) from the military at minimum just incase i had to stay over night somewhere and ive done it. comfortabilty and warmth kind of go hand in hand. when i know i will be staying over night for sure, i always make sure to pack the 3 things i already listed and a sleeping bag (for when its a little chilly) and a nice thick wool blanket to lay underneath me and wrap up with if i really need to. hanging the hammock sometimes is difficult depending on the terrain around you but 9 times out of 10 if you have the knowledge youll be fine
You are so right!! My intent was to get the NEW hammocker to buy a good hammock the first time so they experience the best and most comfortable night sleep possible. Most people give up on hammocking the first night and it’s typically because they have no experience and bought an uncomfortable hammock . That being said.. I was TERRIBLE at explaining that in the video! (Was one of my first ones and I’m super new at it)... I love that you are able to get a great sleep in your setup! What a great idea for the wool layer!! I hope others will read your comment and learn so they don’t have to spend a ton of money. Thank you for contributing and commenting!
@@DanBecker Hands down my army wool blanket has been the best insulation for a hammock i have ever had you can buy them at surplus stores for about 20 bucks or less. i would recommend getting something to have between you and the wool cause it is kind of itchy lol
Problem with a pad and or inflatable mattress is that they shift. Also there is a possible problem with condensation. While I do not have this problem, my wife always woke up soaked so we switched to Under Quilts. A double layer hammock allows you to place the pad or air mattress in between the layers and reduces the amount of shifting. Warbonnet Black Bird Hammocks has been making hammock for a long time and the owner ( Brandon ) uses his own products. My wife and I own and use about 10 Warbonnet Hammocks. The difference between the single layer (SL) and the double layer (DL) is that the SL has more stretch and the DL offers more support. Also a DL hammock keeps skeeters from being able to bite thru the fabric.
Depends what you consider cheap. DD do a full setup including tarp, underquilt, bug net and straps for about £200. Individual pieces are 50-70.
I have a hand-made for me Tier Gear Goshawk made in Tasmania. Over $200 and a superb unit. I use a $50 Subito underquilt and a $70 Snugpak Jungle Blanket. My daughter just bought a $50 ZE double hammock off Amazon; really nice bit of kit. It has the daisy chain straps which I rather like (I have straps/carabiners and whoopie slings). I think you can get a decent,low cost hammock and underquilt but otherwise I totally agree with your main points. I do agree the air mattress option sucks for the reasons you listed.
Thank you. Sometimes you think a hammock for camping is not a big deal, its just a matter of taking one at Walmart snd go on. Its not, I staryed with a $30 hammock, then I realized I need a tarp, then I realized I had cold butt, so I am trying now an air mattress I already had, then I realized I need a bug net,... And thats just products, I also realized I needed to learn some knots and tightening tips to get it working properly..... Ive spent nore money than expected and time understanding how I could optimize and get a cossy sleep on hammock. Please take your time snd plan your budget
In regards to an under quilt take a square sleeping bag with zippers at both ends. Then unzip the bottom one enough to slide it over the hammock.
A simple $5 woobie sling ridgeline would fix all your problems. I demonstrated it in my bug out bag challenge video.
my hammock cost me 10 euros in Decthlon many years ago, I have used it many times; like more than one month in total and still use it to this day. it is true that I had to buy the straps too
I hammock camped with a cheap decathlon for many seasons with great success.
DD Frontline or Frontline Ultralight ...... Second to none ! been using them for years , I encourage you to check them out ......
+1 from me. Love my DD Frontline. Yes it's heavier, but you get a bug net with zippers on either side and a double layer bottom for better insulation or a sleeping bad between layers.
Ridge outdoors pinnacle 180 or 360 from Amazon.
Pretty good entry level hammock.
40 to 60 bucks.
Just starting out, I definitely wouldn't recommend buying the cheapest, OR a 200 dollar plus item...be it hammocks or anything else.
Middle of the road is usually fine. You can always upgrade it...which might turn it out to be better than the expensive item anyway. And it's fun!
I bought my first hammock off of Amazon for $30 and got the same daisy chain straps you showed. I thought that since it came with a zipped in bug net it was a good deal. The cheap sleeping pad had a mind of it's own, but once I tamed it, I had some of the best sleep in my life. Back then I was facing being homeless for 2 years and hammock camping did help make the whole experience a little easier and even fun at times. I don't miss being homeless, but I do miss hammock camping. This time I want a nicer hammock. I'm still in Florida so a bug net is a must have item so is a tarp up at all times as I got caught being lazy with a passing rain storm once. I really like the dual layered hammocks to tame the sleeping pad into playing nice all the time.
love my hammocks ! i encourage anyone to get any hammock they can afford. however, hammocks are not all created equal. you really get what you pay for here. try and test out the kind you like before purchase if possible. if you have the money spend it. if not don't worry, one of my cheapest hammocks is my best sleeper. but that's an exception. Dan's wrong about the double layer though. the pad does still move around. not as much though. problem there is, you actually have to get up and out to adjust a pad in double layer. but the GREAT thing about them is. in the summer if not using an under quilt or pad. skeeters still cant bite through both layers. lots of people have a bug net on top, only to be eaten alive through their hammock. i'm the opposite, no bug net (for a reason)but good on the hammock side. in the cold an under quilt is the most comfortable by a long shot. although personally, i find a pad keeps me warmer. probably just my equipment though ?
You're supposed to lie diagonally on a hammock for a flatter lay, and also to hang the hammock with its line about 30° to the pole/tree. That being said I like the banana lay after a hike because it props my exhausted feet up and it just feels amazing. However I also like tents better for the privacy. So I carry both when I can.
I have been wanting to do more hammock camping-I fell into the cheaper woot hammock as well. I have done research and your hammock seems to be the way to go. Can you tell me exactly what strap options you use? The website seems to have about 5 or 6 options, unsure what to pick.
Great question! If you’re looking for the easiest and simplest set up, I would just go with the polyester webbing with buckles. That’s what I use. It’s definitely lightweight and extremely easy to use. It’s also the cheapest option. The other options are good as well but they definitely take a bit of a learning curve.
Dan Becker thank you. A lot to learn here
Anytime!
I paid $25 for my first hammock. It came with a bug net and straps. I've been sleeping in it every night for the last two years on my indoor hammock stand, plus many many camping trips and it's the best sleep I've ever had. My only complaint is that when I wake up, I'm so cozy it takes a massive effort of will to not just stay in it for the rest of the morning.
I've been perfectly comfortable in it down to freezing temps with just an inexpensive sleeping bag and a blanket.
Great videographer the young man has potential, presentation OK. Only kidding great video and information Dan.
I put off getting into hammocking for a whole year after my buddies. Afterwards, I thought “Why did I wait so long...?” Since then, I’ve researched at length. My next and most likely final hammock will be a Ninox. It is a true Flat Lay Hammock. You have to check it out.
Awesome! I’ll check it out thanks!!
What about the Haven Tent-Hammock?
Updated - I recently purchased the Eldorado, which is the budget version of the XLC, and I do enjoy it. That said, my budget hammock from River Country that I bought for $25 is still going strong, and I get some of the best rest ever. I have purchased other hammocks, but always come back to River Country.
With the most basic sewing skills (and a sewing machine), you can make your own on the cheap using a kit or buying materials from one of the several good vendors online selling ripstop fabrics. WAY cheaper, lighter, and larger (more comfortable). For straps, get some Amsteel or mule tape. Learn to tie a munter-mule for your strap.
I believe I picked up those same straps from Menards for less than $5.
Blackbird XL hell yeah
Osage river hammock is what I use and it's great. $24
My first ever campaign experiences were on a 16€ décathlon hammock and I slept like a baby.
I wish I would have found this video $500 ago...smh
You did a great job touching on MANY key points about hammocks for us newbies
I've been learning the hard way so far. fun journey though :)
Ever try the Amok Draumr UL hammock? I'd love to try a hammock setup out, but have been deterred by how many people have given up on the idea after considering the weight and the limiting factor of not being able to sleep on your side very well (I'm mostly a side-sleeper). The Haven hammock offers a flatter sleeping experience, but at the cost of extremely high weight. This Amok UL version seems like a sweet-spot with some unique features. It's quite pricey if you go all-in with their tarp and sleeping pad, but at 2lbs (3lbs with the tarp) it's quite light for a hammock and has some intriguing features. Would love to see a video from you one this one someday:).
What do you mean the weight ??
@@brandonwilliams2431 Just the actual weight of the hammock setup. I ended up getting that Amok Draumr UL XL. On the slightly heavier side for a hammock setup, but still light enough that it's totally worth the weight for the features you get. The hammock and tarp together weighs just 3lbs 5oz, so it's in line with a lot of lower weight tents out there. The UL sleeping pad made for it weighs 1lb 14oz, which is pretty in line with many of the sleeping pads I already own. It's a pricey setup, but comfortable and impressively lightweight.
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Great video ! What are your thoughts on Hennessy Hammocks ?
I actually owned a Hennessy for quite a while. The are great hammocks. Well built and comfortable. They are just a bit heavy for what you get. So if you don’t care about weight then it’s a great hammock. My recommendation however would be to check out Warbonnet, Dutchware, or Dream Hammock. They are great hammocks and also much lighter weight for about the same price.
Dan Becker ok will do! Thank you for your advice!
Anytime, Eric!
I bought a Tentsile Flite+. It was $280 and weighs about 8.5 lbs. But I'm also on a bicycle. That's how I roll.
You will lay "like a banana" in any hammock, other than the Haven if you don't lay at an angle. I've had my Sunyear from Amazon for years. It was 70 bucks. I also have a Starlite for winter which was 3 times expensive, both work.
I bought a super cheap hammock from amazon for my deployment and it was the best five bucks I ever spent, had it for about two years now
What was it called?
@@jeddy_bravo noza tec super off brand but I love it
@@natedog45678 It doesn't show up on Amazon anymore.