johnathan nelson unless you are born with a particular talent in it, hamon needs a lifetime of training to be used effectively like any martial art. Even if Zeppeli had correctly enabled speedwagon's hamon breath, it would have been too weak to be useful at all
"A Hamon-infused Steel Ball" was pretty much Joseph's Clackers from Part 2. But if it was infused with the Super Spin... I don't think it'd work TOO well on the Pillar Men, considering they're immortal anyway, unlike Valentine who aged rapidly. Joseph could defeat them if he had Super Spin-powered Tusk (or maybe even Hermit Purple, since it's a Stand), though.
@@narcisse2269 why not just use the wool for the string then, inlay the steel ball with wooden "veins" or have the balls be hollow and be filled with water? You can program the hamon to an absurd degree, so just have it that the energy stays in the chord until contacts with someone. Hell, let's go one step further, make one of theose tripping tools (3 balls attached to each other by string, affixed around a central axis) swap the chord for razor wire, fill the chord with the ripple, when you wind up the throw you give it spin.
Aidan Mason My take is that Johnny was right when he had the intuition that mastery over spin could give him back the use of his legs in spite of Gyro’s skepticism. After becoming arguably the strongest spin user, he was able to use the spin within his own body to circumvent whatever deficiency/damage that kept him paralyzed.
Actually, Gyro said that what they were both trying to achieve was the infinite spin. Ballbreaker just had parkinson's because the steel ball was damaged, so it never became infinite.
EL BATTARI Jamil the dimensional wall didn’t break it, but it got hit in the air and part of it chipped away, so when it collided with the dimensional wall, it broke it and actually made him older, but part of it was chipped away it wasn’t infinite spin
You forgot the most important uses; Hamon can fling oily spaghetti at other people and Spin lets you brush your teeth with your finger. Hamon seems to be able to manipulate living beings as demonstrated by Caesar using Hamon to control the woman and Joseph with the pigeon. I'd say that's a pretty useful and scary power to have that the spin can't. Possibly because the living beings are partially composed of water and Hamon works through a liquid medium.
The hamon they use on part 1 and 2 is healing hamon, I guess the hamon that ultimate Kars uses is the destructive kind that Will mentions when he's trying to destroy that steel door.
Probably just that most users didn't have much of a reason to make a damn hamon laser with it... probably because they didn't know what lasers were at the time
Pretty much. Although, strangely, the Pillar Men aren't actually undead; they're living beings naturally weak to sunlight (which is why they lived underground or whatever) who are just above the humans on the evolutionary food chain. And all the stone mask is meant to do is awaken one's latent powers in the brain - it probably gave the Pillar Men their Modes, but not much else. So why Hamon still works against them is anyone's guess.
+Naj Adamu because it replicates the sun, which is their weakness, so they were vulnerable without the masks, such as Santana who I don't think used a mask.
A person on The internet hamon is actually useful to the living sure not as useful as fighting vampires but still pretty useful remember when Joseph was able to launch a Coca-Cola bottle cap at the cops fingers and the one time when Joseph was also able to explode a cactus into a guy's face and I'm pretty sure that's actually the only time we've seen hamon against humans but those still show how effective hamon can be against humans
@@najadamu2724 (Late Comment) I also think the stone masks gave the pillar men the ability to absorb people. As evidence when in the flashback scene when we see the other pillar men. They use spears, which are largely used for hunting, and as well it's stated that Kars studied Acupuncture. Which became of the stone masks. It'd make sense how humans are now able to feed with their fingers now instead of exclusively their mouth when they become a vampire.
You forgot that Hamon allows you to see the future even without Hermit Purple; that old sage dude knew exactly when Will would die by looking into his future and Joseph actually did have minor precognition. That alone massively increases its usefulness.
Man imagine how strong Hermit Purple would have been if Joseph had kept up with hamon. I wish we had a ball breaker-like moment where we got to see HP at its full potential, since Joseph only used it like a rope/hacking tool
Did you mention how hamon users need to be more ripped to breath 10 times in 1 second, then a spin user would have to be? You see that moment when Jonthan was like "ah I'm super strong" and ripped that metal bar against tarkus was it. The knight loser. I say this because hamon is used to exceed human boundaries, as opposed to the spin which is to manipulate it with medical knowledge and things.
Spin is better because you can use it to make a Young Woman looks like my Grandma, and when you make her look young again, she will be more sexy than before for an entire week.
I feel as if hamon might be more useful in everyday life. due to things like being able to lift wet objects extremely easily while using hamon. walking on water, being able to block bullets (most likely other things) sort of water bending when it comes to shit like look at lisa Lisa's first appearance. can mind control/brain wash people kinda. And generally makes people stronger. I remember i made a reddit post with a ton more points but i cant remember them
All I could say is this, had any of the Jojstars and Friends learned either hamon, spin, or both, they would be more dangerous. People like Josuke and Giorno would benefit more from using hamon thanks to their abilities, while Kakyoin and Narancia would benefit from spin.
If Kakyoin learned hamon and figured out how to channel it through Hierophant he would have singlehandedly defeated Dio Brando with his fucking web. While we're talking about Narancia and by Extendion Aerosmith, I wish we got to see Risotto Nero use his "master of puppets" ability more than once ; the idea of Metallica being able to control other stands is so cool.
Well of course, Tusk act 4 with infinite spin can pierce space time, making it so you can never escape it unless Johnny creates another spin in the opposite direction to cancel it out. It's pretty much on par with other main jojo stands in terms of how ridiculously op it can get. I really wish if Araki does another part that he explores act stands for his next mc. It was so satisfying to see Johnny and his stand start off as this weak man in a dangerous world grow into a person capable of literally standing on his own two feet against all odds. That and how his stand started off kind of weak compared to many other stands, then gets more op over time until it pretty much breaks the universe over its knee.
Hung Tang Watch as JoJolion has an enemy spin user and Soft & Wet remove the friction from the Spin making it useless. Would not put it past Araki to do that.
Speak Evil Reminder that Soft and Wet is so much bullshit and it isn't even a requiem stand. Stealth? Remove sound from objects. Attack? Bubbles everywhere stuffed with nails. Defense? Steal the hardness of a wall and use that on yourself. Star platinum had the weakness of range and getting overwhelmed, Crazy Diamond can't heal it's own user or bring back the dead, Stone Free is still string, Tusk requires Johnny to grow and use his horse to work. Soft and Wet doesn't have any of these weaknesses, not even the weakness of belonging to a dumb user.
It never stole the hardness of a wall in the story, as far as I can remember. And Soft & Wet's weakness is that it seems to be a relatively short-range Stand, and it's got a power stat of C, meaning it'd probably get wrecked by Star Platinum, Crazy Diamond, Sticky Fingers, Stone Free, and Weather Report when it comes to physical strength alone. It was almost defeated by I Am a Rock's core-attraction ability.
Pretty damn sure the "JoJo started off as a parody" thing is just a stupid meme. Part 1 had nothing to do with FotNS at first until Araki (probably forced by Jump) started ripping it off.
I miss hamon, I wish it had been kept around as a secondary ability something people could use to compliment their stands instead of being a primary ability like it was in the beginning of the series.
I'm pretty sure I read that when Caesar was younger he would get into fights all the time and he would innately use the ripple which cause any one hit with it to fall into a temporary coma, so ripple could be useful against human opponents but in a nonlethal way.
I'm pretty sure the big ass wrench he loved to hit people with was all he needed to put them there... maybe the hamon kept people from dying from that like that should, as something he was doing subconsciously, since he's not a total dick
The Ripple has more uses. It can be used to expel poison from the bloodstream, heal wounds faster, modify the surface of liquids, walk on water or up a wet pillar, kill humans, etcetera. I'm surprised he didn't mention how the Spin creates ripples with the same pattern as The Ripple, as seen by Gyro when he had Jesus' eyeball inside him.
The spin has many uses too. It can be used to make the skin resist to bullets, contain or eliminate people at will, make your pain disappear, trasmit energy from an object to another, it can heal or leave your body dry, it can deflect phisical attacks, it can create mirages to destract your enemy, it can be used to stimulate muscles and manipulate water. There are many different styles, like Uekapipo's.
wait so is Golden Experienc a follow up to hamon in the sense it creates life? (well not actually because Hamon is the transfer of Life energy and Golden Experience just creates life forms somehow)
Its mainly their weakness to sunlight that ties the Pillar Man in the same boat as zombies and vampires as to why Hamon fucks them up so badly. But I also thought Johnny was able to achieve the Infinite Spin because he was also a better horse jockey than Gyro (as stated by Gyro) and thus was more capable of getting his horse to run at its "natural speed" or some romantic shit like that.
***** I didn't say anything about Gyro not achieving Super Spin, I specifically said *Infinite Spin*. And Johnny got that from simply because he was a better horse jockey than Gyro. Gyro even hinted it to him and Johnny picked up on that. Gyro only knew enough about horse racing in order to compete and win, but horse racing was Johnny's life up intl he was paralyze.
Never mind the last sentence. "Infinite Spin" is side effects of Tusk Act 4's special power with the energy taken from when Golden Rotation/Spin is combine with horse power. IN fact,, "Infinite Spin" is just a dubbed context to put in. My mistake. I just re-read chapters 77 to 87 of Steel Ball Run.
"we never got to see hamon pushed to the limit" we never see an 'infinite' hamon overdrive occur, but there's always that scene where kars punches the red stone of aja at the volcano.
Kind of. I wouldnt be surprised if GE having that was completely unrelated to Johnathan having Hamon but by technicality GE is the Tusk counterpart. Really wish there was a hamon user in Bruno's gang instead of Panacotta Fugo now.
Since it's related to this video (kinda), can Johnny bring out Act 4 without activating the super spin? I think I remember seeing him having it out when he's trying to get onto that boat with Gyro's coffin and all, but I'm not sure if that really counts. My current theory is that Act 4 can still be brought out and do punch-ghost things, but it can't use the super spin unless Johnny does the horse thing.
Time stop,time erasing,since johnny stand is based on gravity,it cant get affected by stands like that(also i think he can escape Made In Heaven,since gravity works normally on Made in Heaven)
What an excellent video. A fine, red-pilled gentleman of class explaining in detail the nature of the video topic over relevant footage with music from Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker over it all. *Chef's Kiss* Perfect video.
Loving this video. Also thinking about what would happen if Luffy from one piece combined 2nd gear with Hamon. Where is the music that you are using from this video come from?
I was surprised to hear Love Deterrence in this video. At first I thought CZcams glitched out (since I have it saved in a playlist) but then I paused and it stopped as well. Interesting choice of song
i always believe that Spin and Hamon were supplied by the same bases but branched off. with Spin focusing in Technic and Hamon focusing on Power. because of that one scene jonny fell in the water and causes the same ripple effect as Hamon. and how i understand it the Golden Ratio, is the perfect form. that you can put power in without going out of control. which translate in to you can put infinite power in to it.
I wouldn't call the spin convenient. I don't remember part 7 that well, so I could be forgetting something. But don't you need an actual object to use the spin on in order to make it work? I mean sure, I guess you could always take off your shoe and use that as a spin weapon. But I think that versus someone that just needs to breath ten times in one second (Is that right?) leaves you with a time gap.
You forgot that gyro's balls are not a perfect sphere so it failed, also you forgot to explain how it can be used as a sort of vibration radar or vibration vision seeing how he can use a steel ball to project the human anatomy on a tray of water or the image behind a rock with smoke created by the steel ball. Also i think your are right, against the pillar it would be useless because not only can they learn it right away, they can also reshape their body into the golden rectangle from every aspect and could possibly use infinite rotation with their masteries, Kar's bones, Wammu's wind, and ACDC's blood circulation. Your right, spin is probably more useful than hamon technical wise but hamon is more powerful and more power focused, I mean zepali commented that jonothan had an enormous potential for hamon based on how he made life blussom from his own untrained hamon after zepali jabbed him in the diaphragm. This suggest that hamon's power differs from person to person while spin is just about learning the technique. Also i should mention that Jotaro's mother know's hamon (theory but well backed) if you look at holly from the manga, anime, and ova, she is clearly young but it is well known that she is up there in age, and her stand was vine type like joseph and jonothan, but she's using the lowest level use of hamon.
kars can not survive the infinite spin. the infinite spin is a attack that more or less killed a character that would not have died in any other fashion (except gold experience requium). kars simply removing a piece of himself after he's been hit would in no way stop his cells from spinning out of existence.
Except all of the cells don't all start spinning at once, they start gradually. Kars thinks faster then anyone, he perceives time in a slow motion almost, he feels his body begin to spin, he removes a piece of it him and that is no longer effect and a new Kars grows from that cell.
Meti 'Not The Bad Guy' I suppose, but even then I'm not sure he has full body replication. because you see him cast off dozens of pieces himself and he never thought to do this when he was launched to space. and even then i am willing to bet that it still would work as it effected D4C which is essentially his soul.
D4C doomed Valetine because it was also infected with the Infinite Spin, Kars abilities aren't stand/soul based, he could make a million of himself if he choose too, he was drunk with power and never thought to use his powers correctly against Joseph and that cause Araki wrote himself into a corner.
Geordin Thomas idk bout Kars but I do think the spin could fuck up zombies at the very least, a headshot with a steel ball could most likely shred it's brain.
Great video, the only thing I think you forgot is when Joseph, as an untrained child, knocked a guy out by touching his head and putting hamon in him. Other than that, it was great.
Infinite rotation is the Super Spin done properly. Ballbreaker would have exactly the same effect as Tusk Act 4 if Gyro's steel ball hadn't scraped against Love Train and lost a chunk of itself which threw the spin off of the perfect rotation. This is explicitly stated in the manga itself by Valentine after being hit by it. Tusk does give Johnny some extra control with regard to spatial manipulation (and his nail bullet have a much smaller profile then gyro's steel balls), but the infinite spin is indeed just the super spin done correctly, Tusk just gives Johnny an easier time of landing it than Gyro does.
Valentine takes the first hit directly, when Ball Breaker is originally shown off it smashes Valentines head and rides up his arm. Aging him rapidly on one side. I'd believe you if not every time Johnny uses some form or next step version of the spin, is it a better version then what Gyro can hope to do. So when Gyro's final Super Spin ability is to hype accelerate energy then Tusk Act 4 is to take that and go one step beyond. The infinite spin is someone only Johnny can do.
except he explicitly points out the spin isn't perfect and why. Gyro's steel ball clipped the side of Love Train and it was thrown off balance so it wasn't a proper super spin.
I may be super late but straitz used hamon and he is a vampire which killed himself so i think vampires and pillarmen can train and use hamon but they wont cuz it would kill them.
Stands>spin>hamon spin is far versatile and deadlier than hamon the only thing that can beat a spin user is a stand user and vampires (which there are no alive ones)
gyro could beat some stand users with the spin, and gone through the love train barrier, making funny valentine older, so eh, i don't think hamon has that power
Hamon is superior to the Spin in every way. Period. As a martial artist, I can understand what Hamon is supposed to be. Hamon is the whole body generating power within a resonating chamber. The chamber is the center of the body, the dantian, or energy nexus. Chinese martial arts focus on this concept and developing whole body shock impacts. The anime/manga version is obviously ramped to an extreme and overdone level, but the idea is the same. The Spin is dependent on a motion that originates from a kind of "outward" expression, i.e. an easily disrupted motion. Hamon however originates from an internal process. Harder to disrupt. Further its pretty much shown to be capable of nearly anything. Heat? Check. Electric energy? Check. Hardening biological material? Check. Both are ultimately arcane, hard to learn techniques, but one is completely natural and inborn to humans. However...the Spin could ALSO annihilate the Pillar Men. By sniping them. Some spherical projectile launched at high enough speed and force would literally mist a Pillar Man's head. Then you could do the same to the rest of their body til they couldn't regenerate. It doesn't matter what it is, if it has a body that can be damaged and you do enough damage to it, it WILL die.
wait, what if someone could use both Hamon and the Spin, let me explain... so what if someone uses hamon on something like their Sweat or blood (or even the wine sawblades William used) and then used the Spin. would that result in something like pseudo black holes, enhanced strength, what?
hamon is stronger, and jonathan could beat johnnys ass in an instant, BUT spin can be distanced whereas hamon seems to be more usable up close (most of the time) also spin seems to use more technique than ripple
yea but listen; firstly, how's johnny gonna stomp jonathan, johnnys like a third his height and also paraplegic; secondly, johnathan is super swole, kicks johnny like a goddamn football
joshua and cheese but johnny only has 10 shots since he has to spend time regrowing his nails, whereas with Jonathan he could use the ripple like joseph did by infusing it with projectiles but those have to be specific too. both can be used at a distance but rotation has more possible options than the ripple.
joshua and cheese Are you a fucking idiot? Did you forget that Johnny can kill Jonathan from half a mile away? Tusk Act 4 would kill Jonathan in a blink of an eye. Jonathan loses to every protagonist from Part 3 and beyond, easily.
first off, listen, no need to get so rude. secondly, unless johnny knew he was gonna get in a confrontation beforehand, he's just likely gonna be like a stone's throw distance, and if i can remember correctly, johnny's nail bullets don't kill instantly, and johnathan seems to be able to really take hits, so unless johnathan has a "n-nani???" moment he could just charge him, they probably would both die or just johnathan while johnny gets critically injured
what if gold experience was used with hamon, since it gives life and hamon is life energy, would it be possible that gold experience could possibly super charge hamon?
The ripple vs the cripple
Andy Perez Don't put my boi Johnny Joestar into this.
I shouldn't be laughing this hard
Gotem'
The cripple wins
Omfg HAHAHAHAHA LMAO
2:26 "Every living thing- everything that is alive is able to use hamon"
Except Speedwagon.
Soarel the Hobbit then why didn't he use it
johnathan nelson his hamon was too powerful it wouldn't be interesting
I thought the implication was that Zeppeli fucked up on purpose when he offered to try to awaken Hamon in Speedwagon.
johnathan nelson unless you are born with a particular talent in it, hamon needs a lifetime of training to be used effectively like any martial art. Even if Zeppeli had correctly enabled speedwagon's hamon breath, it would have been too weak to be useful at all
Jordan Del Colle Speedwagon can the writers didn't let him
So if we get a hamon-infused steel ball and throw it with the Super Spin...
"A Hamon-infused Steel Ball" was pretty much Joseph's Clackers from Part 2.
But if it was infused with the Super Spin... I don't think it'd work TOO well on the Pillar Men, considering they're immortal anyway, unlike Valentine who aged rapidly. Joseph could defeat them if he had Super Spin-powered Tusk (or maybe even Hermit Purple, since it's a Stand), though.
Ball breaker requiem
It melts into a fidget spinner
Hamon dissipates on non living/organic things when it loses contact with the user. you should use a wood ball or a wood+Satiporoja beetle wool ball.
@@narcisse2269 why not just use the wool for the string then, inlay the steel ball with wooden "veins" or have the balls be hollow and be filled with water? You can program the hamon to an absurd degree, so just have it that the energy stays in the chord until contacts with someone.
Hell, let's go one step further, make one of theose tripping tools (3 balls attached to each other by string, affixed around a central axis) swap the chord for razor wire, fill the chord with the ripple, when you wind up the throw you give it spin.
How about Spin AND Hamon?
Use the Spin on a Hamon user, make them breathe 10 times better, then let them Overdrive. Jesus, that would be so powerful.
bait4sale9001 Like throw an air bubble to a hamon user?
"soft & wet"
bait4sale9001 Spin + Hamon + Ultimate [Character] + Jonathan = Unbeatable
Add Hokuto Shinken and you'll get Star Platinum
Fucкing James ATTATTATTATTATTATTATTA!
Spins Practicality:
Johnny was able to spin his fingernails to brush his teeth and once ate pasta with them
But my fingernails don't spin. :I
Don't forget shredding cheese
He used tusk to move around once and never again
@Aidan Mason Yo, why, though? I never understood that part, honestly.
Aidan Mason My take is that Johnny was right when he had the intuition that mastery over spin could give him back the use of his legs in spite of Gyro’s skepticism. After becoming arguably the strongest spin user, he was able to use the spin within his own body to circumvent whatever deficiency/damage that kept him paralyzed.
Ripple: life energy
Spin: araki writing stuff down
Ripple: Life energy
Spin: Natural Mathematical energy
@@mori7602 *Sacred geometry
Actually, Gyro said that what they were both trying to achieve was the infinite spin. Ballbreaker just had parkinson's because the steel ball was damaged, so it never became infinite.
Kara Kondžule Oooooooooooh well SHIT
It wasnt a sphere shaped ball but it still broke through a dimentional wall and made valentibe old
EL BATTARI Jamil the dimensional wall didn’t break it, but it got hit in the air and part of it chipped away, so when it collided with the dimensional wall, it broke it and actually made him older, but part of it was chipped away it wasn’t infinite spin
Lmao "ballbreaker had parkinsons" bruh
Exactly
Hamon Infused Super Spin when
『B E T I M』 ＰＡＲＴ ＮＩＮＥ ＰＬＥＡＳＥ
『B E T I M』 when part 5 will be realised
Yeah, and have Santana come back with a Stand, too . . . .
Brazilian fella detected
your god [HITLER] WHAT ABOUT NOW FUCK FACE
You forgot the most important uses; Hamon can fling oily spaghetti at other people and Spin lets you brush your teeth with your finger.
Hamon seems to be able to manipulate living beings as demonstrated by Caesar using Hamon to control the woman and Joseph with the pigeon. I'd say that's a pretty useful and scary power to have that the spin can't. Possibly because the living beings are partially composed of water and Hamon works through a liquid medium.
Leopoldshark Wekapipo was able to blind people with his spin. That shit was extremely scary as well.
Sanik Nyoom i can blind people by stabbing their eyes
is that spin
Ribe's Shtpost Nah, that isn't mystical bullshit
Joseph stunned a man by just putting his hands on him, and charging Hamon through him.
Ribe's Shtpost only if you spin while doing it
The hamon they use on part 1 and 2 is healing hamon, I guess the hamon that ultimate Kars uses is the destructive kind that Will mentions when he's trying to destroy that steel door.
Probably just that most users didn't have much of a reason to make a damn hamon laser with it... probably because they didn't know what lasers were at the time
How I see it is: Hamon is good against the undead and Spin is good against the living.
Pretty much. Although, strangely, the Pillar Men aren't actually undead; they're living beings naturally weak to sunlight (which is why they lived underground or whatever) who are just above the humans on the evolutionary food chain. And all the stone mask is meant to do is awaken one's latent powers in the brain - it probably gave the Pillar Men their Modes, but not much else. So why Hamon still works against them is anyone's guess.
+Naj Adamu because it replicates the sun, which is their weakness, so they were vulnerable without the masks, such as Santana who I don't think used a mask.
A person on The internet hamon is actually useful to the living sure not as useful as fighting vampires but still pretty useful remember when Joseph was able to launch a Coca-Cola bottle cap at the cops fingers and the one time when Joseph was also able to explode a cactus into a guy's face and I'm pretty sure that's actually the only time we've seen hamon against humans but those still show how effective hamon can be against humans
you do remember that Hamon can both knock out immediately a human and also mind control them, right?
@@najadamu2724 (Late Comment) I also think the stone masks gave the pillar men the ability to absorb people. As evidence when in the flashback scene when we see the other pillar men. They use spears, which are largely used for hunting, and as well it's stated that Kars studied Acupuncture. Which became of the stone masks. It'd make sense how humans are now able to feed with their fingers now instead of exclusively their mouth when they become a vampire.
5:07 that moment when two strong men gang up against a paraplejic...
you mean, school?
@@jt0n e...EXCUSE ME?
the quality of this channel has really gone down mentioning spin without speedwagons hat is a grave crime
Not really , I feel like it is something so obvious and fundamental that you don’t need to mention it as everyone knows it already.
Man who seems drunk talks about an anime electric energy and a spinny ball
Hamon makes legal loli possible.
I was confused for a second, but then realized that all the Touhou characters probably just know hamon
After all, we all know Remilia is this universe's version of DIO.
***** Really? I thought it is Sakura.
David Mora-san Dio=Sakura
Tippy Kaffu
Actually, Dio is Sakuya (it's SAKUYA) and Remilia combined. Remilia is Dio Brando the vampire, and Sakuya has DIO's powers.
You forgot that Hamon allows you to see the future even without Hermit Purple; that old sage dude knew exactly when Will would die by looking into his future and Joseph actually did have minor precognition. That alone massively increases its usefulness.
Man imagine how strong Hermit Purple would have been if Joseph had kept up with hamon. I wish we had a ball breaker-like moment where we got to see HP at its full potential, since Joseph only used it like a rope/hacking tool
Did you mention how hamon users need to be more ripped to breath 10 times in 1 second, then a spin user would have to be? You see that moment when Jonthan was like "ah I'm super strong" and ripped that metal bar against tarkus was it. The knight loser. I say this because hamon is used to exceed human boundaries, as opposed to the spin which is to manipulate it with medical knowledge and things.
You gotta get ripped to use the Ripple.
healer56heal You gotta get ripped to use a cripple, but marbles can be used by the cripple.
So one is used to exceed human boundaries and one is used for outdoing them.
Spin is better because you can use it to make a Young Woman looks like my Grandma, and when you make her look young again, she will be more sexy than before for an entire week.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN Sounds amazing. I feel like if the Spin was real, someone new form of pedophile would use it for their personal gain.
+ChauNyan if the spin was real, then I think almost everyone would try to learn it.
@@ChauNyan would that even be illegal that hurta my brain
@@ChauNyan turn your grandma to a loli
I feel as if hamon might be more useful in everyday life. due to things like being able to lift wet objects extremely easily while using hamon. walking on water, being able to block bullets (most likely other things) sort of water bending when it comes to shit like look at lisa Lisa's first appearance. can mind control/brain wash people kinda. And generally makes people stronger. I remember i made a reddit post with a ton more points but i cant remember them
also you could light a small candle by focusing hamon through a tiny object
Who are you and why is being bulletproof an essential in your day to day life
@@Extra_YTer they fear my power
@@Extra_YTer I mean really if you can do these things people might wanna shoot you for... reasons.
All I could say is this, had any of the Jojstars and Friends learned either hamon, spin, or both, they would be more dangerous. People like Josuke and Giorno would benefit more from using hamon thanks to their abilities, while Kakyoin and Narancia would benefit from spin.
If Kakyoin learned hamon and figured out how to channel it through Hierophant he would have singlehandedly defeated Dio Brando with his fucking web. While we're talking about Narancia and by Extendion Aerosmith, I wish we got to see Risotto Nero use his "master of puppets" ability more than once ; the idea of Metallica being able to control other stands is so cool.
How would the Spin help?
racersmod11 the spin when combined with the emerald splash or Aerosmith’s bullets would make the, even more deadly than they are
@@linusmota9712 , OK thanks
wouldn't spin be more effective for Mista than Narancia, since the his stand can go from just redirecting bullets to also amplifying their spin?
Jonathan: doesn't have a stand, but can stand
Johnny: has a stand...
And didn't Johnny survive?
@@joshuabennett8256 bruh
@@joshuabennett8256 yike
still think tusk act 4 is more deadly than hamon
Well of course, Tusk act 4 with infinite spin can pierce space time, making it so you can never escape it unless Johnny creates another spin in the opposite direction to cancel it out. It's pretty much on par with other main jojo stands in terms of how ridiculously op it can get.
I really wish if Araki does another part that he explores act stands for his next mc. It was so satisfying to see Johnny and his stand start off as this weak man in a dangerous world grow into a person capable of literally standing on his own two feet against all odds. That and how his stand started off kind of weak compared to many other stands, then gets more op over time until it pretty much breaks the universe over its knee.
Hung Tang ye i agree
Hung Tang Watch as JoJolion has an enemy spin user and Soft & Wet remove the friction from the Spin making it useless. Would not put it past Araki to do that.
Speak Evil
Reminder that Soft and Wet is so much bullshit and it isn't even a requiem stand. Stealth? Remove sound from objects. Attack? Bubbles everywhere stuffed with nails. Defense? Steal the hardness of a wall and use that on yourself.
Star platinum had the weakness of range and getting overwhelmed, Crazy Diamond can't heal it's own user or bring back the dead, Stone Free is still string, Tusk requires Johnny to grow and use his horse to work. Soft and Wet doesn't have any of these weaknesses, not even the weakness of belonging to a dumb user.
It never stole the hardness of a wall in the story, as far as I can remember. And Soft & Wet's weakness is that it seems to be a relatively short-range Stand, and it's got a power stat of C, meaning it'd probably get wrecked by Star Platinum, Crazy Diamond, Sticky Fingers, Stone Free, and Weather Report when it comes to physical strength alone. It was almost defeated by I Am a Rock's core-attraction ability.
HAMON RUINED FIST OF THE NORTH STA......................... waitaminute
And that's when you remember Jojo started off as a parody manga.
Hakka No Togame Parody? not Homage?
Pretty damn sure the "JoJo started off as a parody" thing is just a stupid meme. Part 1 had nothing to do with FotNS at first until Araki (probably forced by Jump) started ripping it off.
i only know about part 3's artstyle being a parody to FotNS
hamon into stands : giorno giovanna's gold experience
spin into stands: johnny's tusk
What about Hermit Purple?
@@starplatinum2548 it's more of like a mutation basing on how it suddenly grew when DIO came.
@@HullsColby dio has it because he has Jonathon's lower body and hermit purple takes place on the arm
@@Clackerus I know.
What if: Joseph Joestar learned the Spin on accident while fucking around with his Clacker thingies.
Bruh
I miss hamon, I wish it had been kept around as a secondary ability something people could use to compliment their stands instead of being a primary ability like it was in the beginning of the series.
Hopefully if & when we get a part 9, Araki bring it back
I'm pretty sure I read that when Caesar was younger he would get into fights all the time and he would innately use the ripple which cause any one hit with it to fall into a temporary coma, so ripple could be useful against human opponents but in a nonlethal way.
I'm pretty sure the big ass wrench he loved to hit people with was all he needed to put them there... maybe the hamon kept people from dying from that like that should, as something he was doing subconsciously, since he's not a total dick
When your last name is zeppeli and you meet a friendly joestar: part 1 of 3 accepting your death
SHHHHIIIIIIIIIIZZZZAAAAA
Part 2: Help joestar as much you can
Part 3 : your death has come
Would it be possible to spin a vampires brain back to normal?
Yup
The Ripple has more uses. It can be used to expel poison from the bloodstream, heal wounds faster, modify the surface of liquids, walk on water or up a wet pillar, kill humans, etcetera.
I'm surprised he didn't mention how the Spin creates ripples with the same pattern as The Ripple, as seen by Gyro when he had Jesus' eyeball inside him.
The spin has many uses too.
It can be used to make the skin resist to bullets, contain or eliminate people at will, make your pain disappear, trasmit energy from an object to another, it can heal or leave your body dry, it can deflect phisical attacks, it can create mirages to destract your enemy, it can be used to stimulate muscles and manipulate water.
There are many different styles, like Uekapipo's.
wait so is Golden Experienc a follow up to hamon in the sense it creates life?
(well not actually because Hamon is the transfer of Life energy and Golden Experience just creates life forms somehow)
Makes sense,since he is half jonathan half dio son(btw its more jonathan son than dio)
now..if someone had the mastery of the spin and hamon.
they would be op af
9:06 why yes I do remember the time Jonathan used sunlight yellow overdrive to kakyoin Johnny
please zeppeli-san, it's a clue to...... Valentine's stand
JOHHHHNNNNNYYYYYY
Its mainly their weakness to sunlight that ties the Pillar Man in the same boat as zombies and vampires as to why Hamon fucks them up so badly. But I also thought Johnny was able to achieve the Infinite Spin because he was also a better horse jockey than Gyro (as stated by Gyro) and thus was more capable of getting his horse to run at its "natural speed" or some romantic shit like that.
***** I didn't say anything about Gyro not achieving Super Spin, I specifically said *Infinite Spin*. And Johnny got that from simply because he was a better horse jockey than Gyro. Gyro even hinted it to him and Johnny picked up on that. Gyro only knew enough about horse racing in order to compete and win, but horse racing was Johnny's life up intl he was paralyze.
Never mind the last sentence. "Infinite Spin" is side effects of Tusk Act 4's special power with the energy taken from when Golden Rotation/Spin is combine with horse power. IN fact,, "Infinite Spin" is just a dubbed context to put in. My mistake. I just re-read chapters 77 to 87 of Steel Ball Run.
Johnny: “I’m a sick cripple, I don’t use the ripple!”
WHAT IF JOUSUKE 8 IS USING THE SPIN ?!?!
Mr. Frete he might be
The quadrouple ball breaker
Michael Carrion touché
He is. Soft and Wet's "bubbles" aren't actually bubbles at all. They're actually hemicircle-shaped threads spinning at incredible speed.
Damn,spin changes property,also in part 2 joseph gained hamon for being Jonathan grandson
Spin are for dinosaurs
ripple are for monsters and aztec gods
You forgot the hamon when amplified by the red stone heated the volcano so much it flung kars with enough power to reach escape velocity
I know this video is 3 years old but your explanation of the spin helped me write my book talk essay on part 7 so thank you
I'm so glad to know that you still produce good quality content. Keep it up! :D
"we never got to see hamon pushed to the limit"
we never see an 'infinite' hamon overdrive occur, but there's always that scene where kars punches the red stone of aja at the volcano.
We saw Kars use hamon
Wait if hamon is life energy does that mean gold experience is a hamon stand
Kind of. I wouldnt be surprised if GE having that was completely unrelated to Johnathan having Hamon but by technicality GE is the Tusk counterpart. Really wish there was a hamon user in Bruno's gang instead of Panacotta Fugo now.
Since it's related to this video (kinda), can Johnny bring out Act 4 without activating the super spin? I think I remember seeing him having it out when he's trying to get onto that boat with Gyro's coffin and all, but I'm not sure if that really counts. My current theory is that Act 4 can still be brought out and do punch-ghost things, but it can't use the super spin unless Johnny does the horse thing.
What's with the constant moe weaboo shit in my JOJO?
Joey Diamond cus JOJO is Moe Anime.
Joey Diamond
if you like jojo and you're not Japanese then you're no better than this "moe weeaboo shit"
Arai
JOJO is fabulously manly, Moe weaboo shit is not.
CHEW.
Joey Diamond
Oh but it is.
JoJo is the best thing ever, but Moe shit is not far behind
Arai No it's not. Just like Josuke has no dignity.
I prefer Spin but ripple is cool too
Who doesnt
Hamon is good against vampires
Spin is good against... Uhm, dimensional barriers?
Time stop,time erasing,since johnny stand is based on gravity,it cant get affected by stands like that(also i think he can escape Made In Heaven,since gravity works normally on Made in Heaven)
@@kanekinzinzin requiem can do same too
@@sn4ke16 not everyone is worthy of requiem. Giorno was the first one.
What an excellent video. A fine, red-pilled gentleman of class explaining in detail the nature of the video topic over relevant footage with music from Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker over it all.
*Chef's Kiss* Perfect video.
I love the MGS music in the bg. Nice collision of some of my favorite franchises.
Title??
Johnny: "I'm a cool cripple I don't use the ripple"
The "virgin" ripple vs the "chad" hamon
I just wanted to watch a discussion video about the Spin and Hamon and instead now I'm just crying about Mother Base. Thanks a lot, Meti.
Loving this video. Also thinking about what would happen if Luffy from one piece combined 2nd gear with Hamon. Where is the music that you are using from this video come from?
So... Craker Volley Hamon technique is cooler spin?
Try mixing Spin and Hamon together! I would love to see the possibilities!
Harmon filled with stell ball
Johnny proved that spin is more versatile when he grated cheese, ate spaghetti and brushed teeth with his rotating nails
I was surprised to hear Love Deterrence in this video. At first I thought CZcams glitched out (since I have it saved in a playlist) but then I paused and it stopped as well. Interesting choice of song
i always believe that Spin and Hamon were supplied by the same bases but branched off. with Spin focusing in Technic and Hamon focusing on Power.
because of that one scene jonny fell in the water and causes the same ripple effect as Hamon.
and how i understand it the Golden Ratio, is the perfect form. that you can put power in without going out of control. which translate in to you can put infinite power in to it.
6:05
*IS THAT “WHEN HEAVENS DIVIDE” IN THE BACKGROUND?!*
BRO WHAT WAS THAT SONG IN THE VIDEO DURING THE COVERAGE OF HAMON THAT SONG WAS SICK
They are both amazing but I never thought I would see you make a serious video
If Hamon lets you control the water in people's bodies couldn't you control their blood and give them a heart attack?
animalia555 probably you could even make someone’s head explode if you fires all their water to their head
A sheer one?
@@thefungus3632 *two pistols and a wink*
Wo
Eh ultimate kars isn't really a pillar man at that point. He's a weird mutant
So in general. Hamon is more powerful but The Spin is more versatile and deadly. Thanks I needed this for a project.
I was totally distracted from the explanation by this amazing mix of Love Deterrence
I wouldn't call the spin convenient. I don't remember part 7 that well, so I could be forgetting something. But don't you need an actual object to use the spin on in order to make it work? I mean sure, I guess you could always take off your shoe and use that as a spin weapon. But I think that versus someone that just needs to breath ten times in one second (Is that right?) leaves you with a time gap.
GokuPilgrim for the golden ratio yes, other than that no since wrecking ball did the opposite in which I was used to distort the golden ratio.
Why the "Love Detterence" in the background again fam?
Steven Armstrong Bomb ass song
i mean he also had heavens divide, maybe he just likes good music.
Damn bitch a traitor
Sweet, "Love Deterrence" with the explanation of Hamon and Spins is amazing
Scientists: Perpetual Motion is impossible
Gyro: hold my balls
How strong could Jonathan get if he survived at the end of part 1
You forgot that gyro's balls are not a perfect sphere so it failed, also you forgot to explain how it can be used as a sort of vibration radar or vibration vision seeing how he can use a steel ball to project the human anatomy on a tray of water or the image behind a rock with smoke created by the steel ball. Also i think your are right, against the pillar it would be useless because not only can they learn it right away, they can also reshape their body into the golden rectangle from every aspect and could possibly use infinite rotation with their masteries, Kar's bones, Wammu's wind, and ACDC's blood circulation. Your right, spin is probably more useful than hamon technical wise but hamon is more powerful and more power focused, I mean zepali commented that jonothan had an enormous potential for hamon based on how he made life blussom from his own untrained hamon after zepali jabbed him in the diaphragm. This suggest that hamon's power differs from person to person while spin is just about learning the technique. Also i should mention that Jotaro's mother know's hamon (theory but well backed) if you look at holly from the manga, anime, and ova, she is clearly young but it is well known that she is up there in age, and her stand was vine type like joseph and jonothan, but she's using the lowest level use of hamon.
Love Deterrence is such a good song, bless you
BEST OUTRO EVER
kars can not survive the infinite spin. the infinite spin is a attack that more or less killed a character that would not have died in any other fashion (except gold experience requium). kars simply removing a piece of himself after he's been hit would in no way stop his cells from spinning out of existence.
Except all of the cells don't all start spinning at once, they start gradually. Kars thinks faster then anyone, he perceives time in a slow motion almost, he feels his body begin to spin, he removes a piece of it him and that is no longer effect and a new Kars grows from that cell.
Meti 'Not The Bad Guy' I suppose, but even then I'm not sure he has full body replication. because you see him cast off dozens of pieces himself and he never thought to do this when he was launched to space. and even then i am willing to bet that it still would work as it effected D4C which is essentially his soul.
D4C doomed Valetine because it was also infected with the Infinite Spin, Kars abilities aren't stand/soul based, he could make a million of himself if he choose too, he was drunk with power and never thought to use his powers correctly against Joseph and that cause Araki wrote himself into a corner.
Meti 'Not The Bad Guy' i am willing to yield to that argument. i still willing to believe the infinite could kill kars
Geordin Thomas idk bout Kars but I do think the spin could fuck up zombies at the very least, a headshot with a steel ball could most likely shred it's brain.
0:45 - Paz?!?!
Great video, the only thing I think you forgot is when Joseph, as an untrained child, knocked a guy out by touching his head and putting hamon in him. Other than that, it was great.
I just realized you put the golden rectangle around kajo's chest, clever. very clever.
that mgs5 love deterrence.
nartimmt But LD was from Peace Walker.
Spin fucking awesome !!
Infinite rotation is the Super Spin done properly. Ballbreaker would have exactly the same effect as Tusk Act 4 if Gyro's steel ball hadn't scraped against Love Train and lost a chunk of itself which threw the spin off of the perfect rotation. This is explicitly stated in the manga itself by Valentine after being hit by it.
Tusk does give Johnny some extra control with regard to spatial manipulation (and his nail bullet have a much smaller profile then gyro's steel balls), but the infinite spin is indeed just the super spin done correctly, Tusk just gives Johnny an easier time of landing it than Gyro does.
Valentine takes the first hit directly, when Ball Breaker is originally shown off it smashes Valentines head and rides up his arm. Aging him rapidly on one side.
I'd believe you if not every time Johnny uses some form or next step version of the spin, is it a better version then what Gyro can hope to do. So when Gyro's final Super Spin ability is to hype accelerate energy then Tusk Act 4 is to take that and go one step beyond. The infinite spin is someone only Johnny can do.
except he explicitly points out the spin isn't perfect and why. Gyro's steel ball clipped the side of Love Train and it was thrown off balance so it wasn't a proper super spin.
What are the name of the songs you used throughout the video, they were...spot on👌👌👌
I may be super late but straitz used hamon and he is a vampire which killed himself so i think vampires and pillarmen can train and use hamon but they wont cuz it would kill them.
No, he stored it inside of his body
Spin > Hamon
xxxXdragonXxxx Stando>Vampire>Spin>Hamon
Quervik pillar men >>>>>Hamon > vampire > stand > spim
Stands>spin>hamon spin is far versatile and deadlier than hamon the only thing that can beat a spin user is a stand user and vampires (which there are no alive ones)
Hamon>Spin
gyro could beat some stand users with the spin, and gone through the love train barrier, making funny valentine older, so eh, i don't think hamon has that power
WHEN *HEAVENS* DIVIDE!
holy shit, nice part 6 reference
took me a second to remember where that song came from
I thought that the stand abilities were just an extension of Hamon.
So theoretically they should be able to hurt vampires and pillar men.
they're not
technically stands used to a form of hamon, stands were even refereed to as spirit hamon but akrai has sort of dropped the concept
MrJjking17 Stands have never been referred to as "spirit hamon".
the kanji for stand : スタンド (幽波紋)/ sutando (yūhamon)
has a literal meaning of " ghostly ripple"
MrJjking17 Its name? Is that your argument?
No character has ever commented on its connection to the ripple.
Gyro: breaks dimensions with spin
Ripple is stronger in which case?
True that now with Soft and Wet having some literal Cream erasure ability thanks to the Spin.. Hamon stands no chance
True
I could only think of paz yelling "time to wrap this up"
Not gonna lie, "Heavens Divide" took me off guard and demanded most of my attention from that point on.
Good vid dude
teach me how to meme kami
Hamon is superior to the Spin in every way.
Period.
As a martial artist, I can understand what Hamon is supposed to be. Hamon is the whole body generating power within a resonating chamber.
The chamber is the center of the body, the dantian, or energy nexus.
Chinese martial arts focus on this concept and developing whole body shock impacts. The anime/manga version is obviously ramped to an extreme and overdone level, but the idea is the same.
The Spin is dependent on a motion that originates from a kind of "outward" expression, i.e. an easily disrupted motion.
Hamon however originates from an internal process. Harder to disrupt. Further its pretty much shown to be capable of nearly anything.
Heat? Check.
Electric energy? Check.
Hardening biological material? Check.
Both are ultimately arcane, hard to learn techniques, but one is completely natural and inborn to humans.
However...the Spin could ALSO annihilate the Pillar Men.
By sniping them.
Some spherical projectile launched at high enough speed and force would literally mist a Pillar Man's head. Then you could do the same to the rest of their body til they couldn't regenerate. It doesn't matter what it is, if it has a body that can be damaged and you do enough damage to it, it WILL die.
Beta male
wait, what if someone could use both Hamon and the Spin, let me explain...
so what if someone uses hamon on something like their Sweat or blood (or even the wine sawblades William used) and then used the Spin. would that result in something like pseudo black holes, enhanced strength, what?
what anime are they using for the beer cracking part they seem to use that in a few videos
Spin is best cuz of fidget spinners
Yes
hamon is stronger, and jonathan could beat johnnys ass in an instant, BUT spin can be distanced whereas hamon seems to be more usable up close (most of the time) also spin seems to use more technique than ripple
yea but listen; firstly, how's johnny gonna stomp jonathan, johnnys like a third his height and also paraplegic; secondly, johnathan is super swole, kicks johnny like a goddamn football
joshua and cheese but johnny only has 10 shots since he has to spend time regrowing his nails, whereas with Jonathan he could use the ripple like joseph did by infusing it with projectiles but those have to be specific too. both can be used at a distance but rotation has more possible options than the ripple.
Johnny can walk
joshua and cheese Are you a fucking idiot? Did you forget that Johnny can kill Jonathan from half a mile away? Tusk Act 4 would kill Jonathan in a blink of an eye. Jonathan loses to every protagonist from Part 3 and beyond, easily.
first off, listen, no need to get so rude. secondly, unless johnny knew he was gonna get in a confrontation beforehand, he's just likely gonna be like a stone's throw distance, and if i can remember correctly, johnny's nail bullets don't kill instantly, and johnathan seems to be able to really take hits, so unless johnathan has a "n-nani???" moment he could just charge him, they probably would both die or just johnathan while johnny gets critically injured
What is the music you are using man its so good
What’s the anime you’re using in your videos? I must watch it
disliked for the random moe
sorry i had to
Well don't worry, your use of the word moe shows how little I value your opinion c:
Disliked for the random, unironic use of moe in comment.
sorry i had to
Meti 'Not The Bad Guy' needs more manly stuffs
All three of you used it in a sentence.
You know what I have to do.
Golden rotation ruined jojo bring stands back
I am utterly confused, what is the spin and how do you use it? Does it require concentration of a certain bodily function like hamon
what if gold experience was used with hamon, since it gives life and hamon is life energy, would it be possible that gold experience could possibly super charge hamon?