Primitive Technology: Volute Shaped Blower
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About This Video:
I made a volute shaped blower where the housing for the fan is volute shaped, that is to say a widening spiral to test the effectiveness of a one way spinning impeller. The previous blower design is tear drop shaped so that the direction that the fan spins is un important. Also with the previous design the impeller spins one way and then the other as it is powered by a simple string mechanism.
In the new design, a weight was employed in the form of a heavy log attached to the rotor. The top of the rotor is held and the weight spun to create rotation. This method produces less rpm than the original but allows the fan to be spun continuously in one direction only. To compensate for the lower rpm, the fan was doubled in size (from 25 cm to 50 cm) to increase blade tip speed and so air speed.
Now with a fan that spins in one direction only, a housing could be used to take advantage of this fact. A volute is an expanding spiral and housing for fans that are volute shaped help guide the air from the center to the outlet more efficiently than a tear drop shaped one. This was made using mud on the ground as opposed to a clay portable one as it was starting to get too big to transport.
The fan was tested in an iron smelt. Disappointingly, it only produced a bit of iron in the form of much smaller prills than usual due to the low rpm and hence air pressure than the original blower. After some rough calculations from research, this design might become competitive with the original blower if the fan diameter was scaled up to 1m diameter from the original 25 cm diameter fan.
The advantage of this design is that it is simpler and has fewer components than the original as there is no string that needs replacing. The dis advantage is that for it to produce good pressure it's diameter needs to be scaled up to the point where it is no longer compact and portable.
About Primitive Technology:
Primitive technology is a hobby where you build things in the wild completely from scratch using no modern tools or materials. These are the strict rules: If you want a fire, use a fire stick - An axe, pick up a stone and shape it - A hut, build one from trees, mud, rocks etc. The challenge is seeing how far you can go without utilizing modern technology. I do not live in the wild, but enjoy building shelter, tools, and more, only utilizing natural materials. To find specific videos, visit my playlist tab for building videos focused on pyrotechnology, shelter, weapons, food & agriculture, tools & machines, and weaving & fiber.
#PrimitiveTechnology #volute #fireblower - Věda a technologie
I tested the idea that some viewers suggested to make the blower hand cranked so that it spun in one direction only and to shape the housing to take advantage of this. It was suggested that even with the hand crank ratio of 1:1, the advantage would be apparent over the original intermittent high rpm blower powered with a string. This blower prototype produced a high volume but low pressure air flow due to the sacrifice of rpm due to the 1:1 ratio. I did some rough calculations after making it and think that if the fan were scaled up to 1m as opposed to the 50 cm fan in the video, it might start to compete with the original blower design for the current rpm. I made a 1 m diameter fan but was unwieldy though it might have worked with more testing, time constraints prevented using it in this project. For now I'll stick to the previous blower design till I can increase the continuous rotation rpm with a durable mechanism. Or test positive displacement bellows and natural draft modes of air supply in up coming projects.
Might not have been a success, but it still blew my mind.
I'm particularly excited to see if a draft furnace design is able to achieve the air flow you need
Perhaps if you could power it with wind or water, it might be a viable design, but as long as it’s muscle-powered the old version seems to be significantly more efficient, not to mention less tiring.
@@GuitarGrooveSessions It may still work if scaled up as a greater fan diameter for the same rpm gives twice the pressure I think. Thanks.
can i ask iff u live in there
Just passing on the message that he has closed captions that explain each step in detail. A true craftsman to the core
Thanks man, this was super helpful. I flipped it on as soon as I read your comment and it was nice to see each step and such.
🙏
Thank you so much!!!
Oh thanks for this. Turned it on the moment I read this
Maybe now I'll actually understand the video earlier instead of right at the end 😅
일단 여러가지 조건이 좋은 환경이다..덥지도 않고 습하지도 않고 비도 많이 오지 않고 벌래도 적고 마른땅이고 조용하고 나무가지도 많아 불피우기 좋고, 이런 조건이라면 서바이벌이나 원시기술 하기 좋은 조건이다..그렇지 않으면 당신은 일주일도 못버틴다..식량은 재배안하기로 한걸보니 서바이벌은 아닌듯하다. 식량구하기가 제일 어려운 과제이다. 그는 오로지 원시기술로 만드는것만 한다. 벌써 5년동안.
While most people struggle making fire in the wild, John goes ahead and makes a supercharged furnace. Bravo.
Fake Video
@@jackyo3214 Why? Are you Chinese?
@@jackyo3214 Get out of here, Chinese
@@jackyo3214 Don't get us dirty
@@__03492 lmao care to elaborate?
Using that split segment attached to the shaft as an eccentric weight is *really* clever. You’re achieving relatively high rpm’s with very little effort and the construction and operation are extremely simple. Excellent.
Simple tools yield complex results. My guy gets it
Simplicity is sign of a genious brain
🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓
Bro, this isnt even primitive anymore. This is modern but using primitive material. But nevertheless, I like it even more
@@xalovaid3693 it shows what would be possible with our current knowledge in a scenario in which we need to get around with what nature provides us
My jaw dropped when you first demonstrated that off-center slung counterweight for spinning in one direction. So simple, but effective
I can't imagine it was easier for him to sustain its motion compared to the string-powered version. The added weight, using one arm vs two, and which muscles each motion uses probably added up to the overall less effective result. That said, I'm only speculating.
I think technically it's a flywheel, not a counterweight 🤔
@@Aaron-ne4krHe can just switch arms when he gets tired
I was thinking if he increased that weight a little bit and moved it closer to the stick he could actually speed up how quickly it spins. Just like our closer planets spin around the sun faster than the outer planets. or when An ice skater pulls in their arms
Would you say that... it blew your mind?
This is absolutely brilliant. Using an acorn as a socket is really ingenious.
I'm sad that it turned out less efficient than the original blower.
probably cause the original was made off screen with more modern tools lol
@@mrbushi1062 czcams.com/video/fR9u2oLHFN8/video.html
This Man shows literally every single thing he makes on camera and how he does it.
@mrbushi1062 : "MuH hE pRoBaBlY uSeD a MoDeRn tOol"
grow up man.
@@mrbushi1062 He made it in a previous video... PT doesn't fake his videos like almost all of the others that followed him.
@@mrbushi1062 are you dense?
I love this sort of "applying modern knowledge to older technology" stuff, it's so cool.
And to think, some people probably figured out some of this stuff without knowing how or why it works!
Absolutely incredible use of physics. The fact that we know enough about the laws of the universe that we can translate a simple wobble of the hand into such a forceful release of energy is incredible.
What I realise from watching all your videos is this
1. You have way more energy than I do lol
2. It really does take a village.
The amount of labour required for 'simple' tasks is such that you need the wood cutter and clay digger, the dozen other occupations to make it sustainable. Either that or just one guy with unlimited energy and patience
It takes a bit to get up and running like making a stone chisel / axe and cords from grass blades. Once u get the technique for fire making w sticks things get easier as u keep doing it. He's finding shortcuts to preserve his energy and get better results. Some work some don't it's trial and error we learn from his actions.
Every time I see his videos I think of those reality shows where they have to survive in the wild like "survivor" etc and think these tricks would make u top dog in the group if u learn them. All the chicks would want to be in ur team 🤣🔥
Looking at our modern diets. I often ponder having to grow, and harvest and grind all the grain by hand. Imagine how much work it would take to make a bowl of cornflakes lol. It's really no wonder modern humans have modern problems like insulin resistance.. We're very clever monkeys, but I don't know if we're winning the game with our fancy machines sometimes.
@@M3rVsT4H insulin resistance is a small price to pay for guaranteed food security imo though
@@M3rVsT4HI remember reading an article where they asked a hunter gatherer if he would move to a farm life he said no he works for 2 hours a day to get enough food then does what ever he wants.
no
@@andrewlalis
No one is saying how this man is essentially making a turbocharger out of sticks and mud lol this is brilliant! Love your stuff man!
I thoght the same thing, but he's not using the exhaust of the fire to feed into the blower. I wondered if there's a way to use the exhaust and some bernouli effect to pull fresh air into the cycle. Then it'd really be a turbo.
+5 hp to flintstones car
@@Joe-nb3fs Would that smother the flames with all the CO2 from the fire exhaust?
@@Joe-nb3fs yeah he did that already, its named down draft kiln.
@@sithlordzach8418 What I was suggesting did have the problem that it was cycling some gas. The bernoulli effect to pull new air in would still mix in some exhaust, so that's not ideal. With a true turbocharger, the exhaust is routed through a turbine, which compresses fresh air intake and pumps the fresh air into the engine. The exhaust is only used for its kinetic energy to drive the turbine. In a simple application, he could route all of the exhaust past a fan (a simple turbine) that drives a secondary intake blower.
Watching these get more and more sophisticated over the years has been so fascinating. I fully expect to see "Primitive Thermonuclear Ballistic Missile" uploaded within the next 20 years.
Its cool that you're at such an stable and built-up point now that you're able to use your resources to freely and dynamicly explore experimental designs such as this. I hope you've learned a lot and will continue to experiment and pioneer your technique!
The legend returns to satisfy his audience once more
He's been back a while
For sure. And whenever there is an easy-going brick-making episode or blower episode, you know that soon he is about to jump into the Iron Age.
Hi i'm HoloAdvent's little fan who often ask comparison and/or timeline about Nerissa Ravencroft and/or sometimes Shiori Novella.
I believe if you make that fire pit tube taller, you can get a hotter temperature. It Hass to do with the air pressure inside of a taller to being forced out unless you don’t necessarily want the temperature to be hotter than what it is already. I haven’t read what your goals were for this one.
This guy always pulls an audience.
this guy alone has almost built an entire stone age village, this is just amazing!
He’s nearly in the Iron Age
And now he’s well into the Iron Age… The man, the shorts, the legend.
He's going to reach for the stars sooner or later
I've seen some Vietnamese guy basically do that. I forgot what his channel was but seemed like an actually legit one.
@@JigglesMcRibsFake news
Watching you slowly perfect your skills and improve techniques over time is such a satisfying journey. I'm so glad you're taking us with you on it.
Make sure the step down pipe in your blower has a smooth gradual step down. During the inside view, it looked like it was filled in flat, then the hole in the middle. Those flat surfaces will decrease efficiency by causing the air to turn 90 degrees.
@@normanberg6502 Huh?
@@selensewar sorry, CZcams added my comment to the video as a reply to your comment
@@normanberg6502 ah :D A happy accident! That happens.
I plan to stay subscribed forever even if you stop making videos. To me, you're one of the greatest contributors of internet content. One just can't put a price on the videos you've created.
Thank you for showing failures and not just scrapping ideas that didn't work out. To quote one of the masters: "Failure is ALWAYS an option."
The only important part of a failure is what you do after, learning from them and trying again is critical. Good ideas don't always pan out and just because something doesn't work doesn't mean it was a bad idea. We should always keep trying new things and learning all we can along the way, be it a failure or a resounding success. Showing projects like these that didn't work out like you hoped is one of the things that makes this channel so great. So, again, thank you.
“I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.” - Thomas Edison
Even failures can teach you a lot...and sometimes failures can not be failures at all, just different ways to achieve different goals
@@W4iteFlame A failure is just a learning experience. If you don't learn from it though then you're actually failing.
It's kind of like ignorance. There's nothing wrong with not knowing something, but once you know that you don't know something then it's time to learn. I try to never think of anybody as dumb, especially for just not knowing something. But when they have the opportunity to learn and they don't take it that's when I think they're actually dumb.
Everybody gets a pass, once.
@@TiborRoussou To be fair, he probably stole that quote.
maybe so, but I'm sure the light bulb wasn't created on the first try!@@Aedalas
Watch Europa the Last Battle!
Really 8 years? And it doesn't look like he's aged a day.
@@wawatchdog89 he even wrote a book about all this!
@@wawatchdog89 that's the secret of the man, man. He had spent millions of years gathering knowledge from broken civilizations, and the fact that his short CZcams existence showing him literally staying the same said a lot of things about this immortal man known to us as John Plant :>
@@awli8861and i have it 😁
few more years and hes splitting the atom and landing on moon
I look forward to your videos dropping and it's always a great day when there's a new one. Thank you for sharing!
Thanks for the support and I'll keep them coming. Much appreciated.
7:50, invert flow of input, add more water along Creek and there's a ball valve gen, once the materials withstand each
i love that you post your successes and failures both. it really helps get across that real life experimentation isn't just moving from great idea to great idea, you have to sift through the bad ones to get to the best ones.
Watching you work and hearing how long it took, you have some amazing patience. Even if this didn't work out, your pyrotechnology videos are something I never miss. Thanks for what you create!
Thanks, I'll keep more projects coming with your support, stay tunned and much appreciated.
You should make it powered by the creek could be a stepping stone from primitive to mid evil technology as you already have valuables and tools like iron
will you go buy some wood and stones from home depot?@@primitivetechnology9550
What I love so much from your channel is the usage of modern knowledge applied to primitive tooling. This may not be a success, but a great learning experience nonetheless!
I could listen to that fire roaring for ages.
That sound is embedded in our DNA
I think the next thing to look into, as long as you're using centrifugal blowers, is the feasibility of some sort of belt and pulley system to generate a mechanical advantage. RPMs are critical to performance on this type of blower, so anything you can do to increase that will give you the biggest boost in performance.
I immediately thought about how a creek/river could be used similar to his water hammer video from a while ago to generate constant, high RPMs and zero fatigue
Careful, or it won't be long before he creates a primative motor and finds himself back in the industrial revolution.
@@unibrowsheepZ With his current charcoal consumption, it would be a "green" transition 😁
I feel like I'm listening to a stone age computer nerd. In a good way!
I was thinking he could make a really long rope with loops for the gear teeth, then you connect the ends into a circle and endlessly pull to power the drive.
Incredible video, so much work put into this, I'm in awe. Your entire channel should be a curriculum in schools.
If this stuff were taught in school, I’d look forward to every lesson
same@@silentcartoonist
Much appreciated, I'll keep them coming,
Under what subject study? Teaching kids growing up in a city how people can make small amounts of metal alone in the forest to appreciate the history of our species?
Applied engineering, chemistry, and physics. @@gastonmarian7261
Your content is outstanding! Gives me an idea of empowerment and the background sound is calming. I started to appreciate things like mud, charcoal and ash and understand more of the stone age- fantastique! Thanks for that!
Much appreciated! Thanks for the feedback too.
That is actually very smart, using an unbalanced weight to use as momentum is great, the fan now provides a consistent supply of air instead of in intervals
This guy is the reason I started doing bushcrafting and I love it
Bushcrafting is a dying art, and it's very unfortunate.
@@iamvee87 it is especially with my generation I started doing it when I was 18 years old my family had a plot of land in the the wilderness about 25 km from where I live in the short time I've managed to build a a cab in there a sauna hot bathtub I also managed to build in hot water a stove and other things I'm currently 25 years old i love it
@@iamvee87 it's amazing for the mind and the soul to just disconnect from everyone and just enjoy the peace and quiet
@@iamvee87 To be fair.. owning the land to do it on is also more and more rare, which probably plays a role.
I would love to try my hand at things shown in these videos, but I own a grand total of 60 feet by 60 feet of "land" and struggle to afford even that :P
I do bushcraft every night. My girl loves it.
The fact he does the Stone Age thing so well is impressive all on its own. The work ethic required for it is off the charts insane.
Iron age in this case.
@@Gribbo9999more like the Renaissance! Turbo pumps weren’t a thing until the end of the 14th century and even then this would qualify as an advanced design not seen until the 15th or 16th century.
They did have quasi mechanic blower that weren’t vacuum blowers(Bellow), but they didn’t work this way, they were just a system of tubs you blew into that would amplify the pressure and keep it from coming back up!
Primitive heavy industry
Have you noticed he uploads to youtube in Full HD? THAT'S some impressive stone age wizardry 😂
Would be interested in seeing what sort of footprint he is made on his patch of jungle
Ive been watcing these videos since i was seven years old. Im 15 now and im so happy to see youre still making great videos.
This has to be one of the most therapeutic hobbies imaginable. You're living the dream out there my guy and gods bless you for it
Honestly so real for saying "yeah I got tired after a while", like that's the thing that sets these so far above other similar videos - it's clearly trial and error and John is super transparent about it
I also REALLY like how he showed ALL steps...even the 'simple ones'; like splitting the short poles. Wow!
This is why I’ve stayed subbed, as your videos are always something to indulge with. Very intruiging and insightful, w/ or w/o captions we can grasp a basic understanding of what it is you’re doing. Plus the descriptions and your tagged comments help 😅. Hope you always find happiness. ❤❤❤
Legendary pillar of the Internet. Created a whole genre.
I am a new subscriber after watching many of the fake channels of people, apparently building these amazing huts with swimming pools attached. It's an absolute breath of fresh air to watch a genuine guy make these awesome videos. You deserve all the success you have achieved, and I intend to binge watch your videos. Much respect, and please keep making this amazing content.
He is the true genuine primitive technology one...
In an AMA they asked him if his videos were fake or not
His response? Try what i do for yourself, if you get the same or better results, then you have your answer
All he learned, he learned by primitive technology books and many trial and errors
@lordfriedrick7911 yeah even in all the call out videos on fake primitive building channels this one is always cited as the genuine article.
He is the og.
He's the OG of primitive technology, most of the other channels have tens of people working in their projects, their more like "reality" shows
In sense, he's the reason those fake channels exists in the first place, but they never understand what they're trying to fake,
Im remembering back to the primitive lathe the Townsdends channel made not to long ago, and I wonder if it'd be possible to set up a fan with the same mechanism, using a foot peddle and a live branch as a spring. If so, it'd be much less tiring to operate I'd imagine
I had the same thought its so weird to see a comment with the same thought process
@@TheSethhunt he definitely needs to incorporate leg power. Im more than positive his shoulders and arms are aching to painfull levels and this is hindering his iron smelting attempts. Man did not master the iron age without significant mechanical help as well as that from others. like someone operating bellows while another fed the furnace with charges of charcoal/coal and ore.
Yes! A spring-pole lathe. Treadle would probably be ideal, but this can be made easier without metal parts.
"Townsdends" or Townsend? 🤔
I've been wanting him to make a primitive lathe for some time. It would be a good use for the metal blade he made. It won't work as a good knife but would work as a cutting tool on a lathe.
thanks for searching old technique ❤
The man that started a whole new trend of videos on YT and ... years later, still nobody quite doing the same quality - passion.
I think you should preheat the air that goes into the kiln.
E.g. make a ceramic heat cross flow exchanger by layering straws with clay at 90deg and making a cube.
One direction = exhaust of fire 1. The 90deg direction - input of the fire 2.
That way you can shift your starting point up and essentially recreate a marten's furnace.
Thanks I'll research it. A preheat was important in the industrial revolution for reducing fuel and increasing yield of smelters. Much appreciated.
Its a nice approach, but hot air carries less oxygen, that’s why the incoming air isn’t used even to refrigerate the ovens’ carcasses. What is pre heated in marten’s oven is the gaseous fuel, no the air.
@@MarceloRodrigues-ff6vc i'm quite certain it is air preheated in marten's furnaces cause there's about 15 times more of it required than fuel. and it is going to less dense when heated but amount of oxygen stays the same 20%
A Recuperator should be Way simpler than an Exchanger.
Industrial Iron Smelting uses three Stacks that get switched around, but two could be good enough.
Ceramic Tiles as the thermal Mass and two Valves to change them between the Intake after the Blower and the Exhaust in Front of the Chimney.
Otherwise a big Stack of Tiles that are being fired anyway might work too.
If the Chamber for the Firing of the Pottery comes after a Blower and ends in a Chimney you could fill the Chimney with the smelting Mix after the Ceramic is done. (I don’t know how problematic it is to cool it quickly, but simple Balls of low Quality Clay could yield Grog for other Products at least.)
Blower -> Burn Chamber -> Pottery Chamber -> Chimney
Connect the Blower after the Pottery is done with natural Draft or stock the Burn Chamber trough the Blower.
Throw the Charcoal and Iron Oxide in the Chimney.
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Mixing the "Ore" Powder with Charcoal Dust for the initial roasting shouldn’t hurt afterwards.
@@primitivetechnology9550
Absolutely love the content --- the time and effort 🥇
I was thinking instead of building a skyscraper for the fire kilns always, the tediousness of getting clay and casting thick deep moulds for kilns,
Why not build a groundscraper, build it upside-down. I mean if it's possible to dig an equivalent hole, maybe 50/60cm deep × 20/30cm wide and spare just little effort to add thin lining of clay to it and create 2 side holes, 1 for air intake from the tuyere blower, and the other for exhaust gas.
You could mould a lid to yet retain more heat.
I believe this system would greatly increase thermal efficiency and heat up better and hotter, as the ground acts as a good insulator to retain heat.
Using centrifugal force with just a heavier stick to get steady fan rotation is both at once so simple and brilliant at the same time! It looks like less work to get more air flow?
I wonder if this is leading to video's for making higher quality steel, this is the kind of thing that really hits the spot for me with this channel.
Read his pinned comment. The volume of air increases abut the pressure is lower due to lower rpm, canceling the positive effect out on this practical size.
You should Watch his videos with subtitles on, he explain that It took double the work to melt the same Amount of iron, It was lower quality and he stopped early because It was unconfortable to use
Not really, it shows the result somewhat underwhelming, perhaps making it foot pedal like pottery wheel or spindle would help steady and efficient power input
Every aspect of this is incredible.
Lovely to see you work, naturally calm in nature, love it!
What comes to mind is a rocket stove. Not sure if you have heard of them but they are super efficient, maybe something to incorporate in.
Awesome work there. 👍
I saw an interesting design for double action bellows from a vid about Indonesian blacksmithing, it consisted of two vertical wooden tubes (bamboo I think) with basically a large feather duster in each one. The bunches of feathers acted like a valve, allowing air to pass as they were lifted and forcing it ahead of them as they were pushed down. With two in operation, being worked alternately, the smith managed to get a pretty steady stream of air .
I also seen a double action bellows design from historical African smelting that worked well, which was two pillows that were kneaded like dough with each hand alternating. Ultimately we know bellows were a winning technology, the catch is bellows would kinda need some sort of animal hide to be practical at this stage right? I'm not sure John could easily introduce those materials to the channel in the same way he has been with other materials.
@@Fe7Ace that’s why I thought the ‘feather duster’ design might work here, you could probably get a similar effect with leaves or plant fibres, well within the scope of his available materials.
@@Oldtanktapper Oh you mean the air chamber was JUST the wood? Yes that is interesting. I would have thought it would leak like a sieve.
Doubt he would ever involve animal or introduce external element, you know hoe stingy youtube enforcing their rule when it comes to animal treatment (sometimes)
@@Fe7AceIt was in a Clay housing, wooden piston and feathers to prevent leaking on the piston side
I have been so obsessed with this channel since the first video and ive learnt so much. I live in nz and i am surrounded by dense forests and bush, so whenever i watch these i always try to do it myself. Im currently progressing through the stone age. Just finished my first hut and ive been looking for clay for ages lol now im back home chillin after all day in the bush lol, love u primitive technology
you can find clay by digging the soil deep enough. river erode soil so the clay be expose too
@@mandalamarcho7997yeah research where riverbeds were in the past
Can't be in the Manawatu, 30cm under the soil is solid clay where ever I go.
Ah man that’s the dream
that log counterweight is such a good idea!
advanced simplicity
Interesting idea on improving your blower. Have you considered making a box bellows? Maybe the case could be made with clay, and use bark for the piston and the flaps for each intake. Your videos are really enjoyable, and educational.
Yes, it's on my list. I made a prototype bellows from clay and the valves do work. But the piston broke after some use. However, some design changes should fix this. I'll attempt another and if it's successful I'll post the video. Much appreciated.
@@primitivetechnology9550 Bellows are usually made of animal skins.
Why don’t you use animal materials in your videos?
@@user-th8jw8wf4y Shockingly I think there's merit to approaching this from a non-violent perspective. This is just a hobby thing, and taking the lives of animals purely for sport isn't really the goal of the channel.
@@primitivetechnology9550 I don't know if this would be moving too far outside your normal wheelhouse, but aside from not showing primitive hunting (for CZcams reasons) could you showing something like the tanning/leathering process as a step towards a better bellows material? Obviously a big ask as far as research, labor, and time, but it was the first thing that came to mind when @trailerparkpimp mentioned the box bellows
@@rafferdx Tanning used to be done using urine and feces/dung, more modern solutions mostly use toxic substances. Also I and apparently a lot of others judging by actualyhyenas comments, would not like to see violent content or a piece of bloody fur. This content is almost meditative to me and hunting doesn't really fit.
I think this is the best episode of Primitive Technology yet. I love the science in that mechanical fan, the foresight of making it collapsible, and to top it off the episode has clay, woodcraft, and fire!
I like the fact it was so much labour for essentially a failed experiment. Just the perfect balance of ingenuity, experimentation, labour and honesty that makes this channel so great.
He’s the best
Primitive technology was my first and longest fascination. People think we are advanced, but none of us can make the simplest things from scratch without using things that are already made by our modern industry.
You can't make a metal container from material from the wilderness, much less a car or airplane.
But you believe you are so advanced.
I've lived off grid with just basic hand tools and no man made material.
It's a whole other world completely.
But I have never done it completely from scratch like this guy.
This is one of the most incredible things I've ever seen anyone do, and I have more respect for this guy than all of the intellectual, social, and technological heroes that I have ever known about.
He is truly a great man who is doing an amazing thing.
This is truly a unique undertaking.
I know he doesn't live like this all of the time, but what an interesting thing to actually get up and go out and do.
I wish it was me.
When I lived off the land, and provided my own food, shelter, and fuel from only what the land provides, it was like being born as a new creature into a new world. Deeply satisfying and fulfilling.
No electric and no technology, just me and the seasons and every moment feeling life and the natural world flowing through me.
Your whole mind is transformed into something that you could never imagine unless you lived it.
It's amazing how strange you see other people after that.
Everything is given to you, and you are helpless as a baby and completely dependent on being absorbed into this world that becomes like the blood in your body. You are unable to separate yourself from all of the framework around you, but at the same time you are nothing without it.
But the world that exists in this video is truly like nothing you can ever imagine.
It's a real trip if you ever get a chance to experience the difference.
Watching it on the Internet is just entertainment.
But the person who actually goes out and does it will find that it's a very special experience.
I have the utmost respect for this creator.
stop typing like that i cant read
@@christianvillarreal4389 for short. He live in off grid. And he have respect for john cause he live in wildernes
These are definitely my favorite types of videos you make- where you make and test new equipment or machines
What you do is awesome, keep improving the smelting technique, I want to see what you can do with decent metal tools!
Will do, am looking at making tools with the iron I've made already. Much appreciated.
@@primitivetechnology9550 You skip the Bronze Age?
@@bigsiege7684 well for bronze age you need copper and tin. And while copper can be reasonably found it is a lot harder to get tin. that fact was also one of mainreasons of bronze age collapse
Definitely not what I was expecting for the log use that acted as a counter weight, funnily enough I saw something a little similar in my mechanics class recently
18:42 are we literally entering a new-age of technology?!
Your videos keeps me from the year 2016, nothing is changed I love it
Another great video John. I hope people appreciate how quickly you can make fire from a drill stick, you get fire quicker than most people could with matches. For the people that don’t know John has a book out of which I have owned a copy for sometime now, it is a fantastic read and I highly recommend it to all viewers of this channel. Keep up the great work John and look forward to whatever you tackle next.
Please name the book! Amazon?
Yeah! It was mega impressive.
Even though a lot of his videos now are similar, I still cannot get enough of them.
Wait until he hits the Bronze age!
I think he's testing out with melting and burning. So he's doing a lot of experimenting and research before coming up with metal.
@@cartoonhead9222 He won't copper is hard to get "in the wild" and tin is practically impossible
He literaly use only mud, sticks and stones. No wonder it seems similar, but honestly, his craftmanship is admirable.
People underestimate the difficulty that comes with smelting metal. It really goes to show how far we have come in terms technology advancement.
I love how you just threw off the mud top to the charcoal mound like it took no work at all. Great job! I love seeing you implement your ideas into survival!
Well. It's not every day that you find your new favorite channel.
Outstanding.
I expected it to be more tiring, but I still think it's worth it, both as a learning experience and as a step towards something like a treadle-powered blower.
Jup, using the muscles in one arm or two makes a big difference.
Okay but, how would one do it, if they are using primitive tech? You need sturdier materials, and these things while good would break down more constantly. Even if all you're using is wood (Basically like a spinning wheel construction) you need metal tools I think to make the needed shapes. You need a way to transfer that treadle energy out.
I suppose he’s onto something regarding the offset log as a flywheel. A flywheel and a string winder that doesnt switch directions, giving you stable speed at low effort imput.
Hardware for a few key components in a treadle-powered blower would be a worthy use of any metal produced thus-far.
@@mariawhite7337 You can use the springyness of an overhead branch to power a basic treadle. A "spinning wheel" can just be a cord wrapped round another branch.
I think there's major room for improvement in the leaf impeller material. Not only was it flimsy to begin with, but it will crease and weaken further. If supported with a vine frame, maybe it will be the most lightweight sturdy impeller. I still favor thin wood though, as it will definitely last the longest and can match the concavity of the blower. Awesome video
Peeled bark maybe? If it's spinning one way a slight curve would only help
I think the primary drawback for this impeller and why leaves are required is the rotation with a counterweight will be unstable. The blade will be making contact with the top and bottom, so a blade material as you describe wont work.
It also means the wear on the impeller is much higher then his previous design. So either way he'll need new blades frequently. Easy enough to add new leaves, but still less durable then his last design.
Maybe he could even shape the wood pannels on the impeller like a centrifugal fan
Maybe some kind of porous clay slats? Lightweight and sturdy
I think wooden blades are only practical on a continuous rotation fan like this one; for the oscillating version having very little mass is more important than perfect aerodynamics.
I just love it when this guy's content plays with fire
Wow! Amazing! So well thought out, and executed! Allowing for a constant flow of air, seems to have trumped earlier versions! Surely wish to see some iron smelting going on now, as that's a prime interest of mine. Peace!
I was so happy to see the new design. This could have been such a nice progression arc with it beeing easier to produce the iron. Sad to see that it's not only worse to operate, takes more time and even has lower output. Glad you still showed it to us. You cannot win every time. Keep on!
"Hey, John, why is your right arm so much more muscular than the left one?"
"I made a contraption where I have to spin a log for hours on end"
"... sure"
Hey… is this a dick joke?
Este sim o verdadeiro canal de tecnologia primitiva, parabens ganhou mais um inscrito.
I can't wait for the day he builds a car & drives off into the sunset.
I was thinking about how you would need a single direction or rotation for this design, and I had not thought of using momentum from an offset counterweight to keep up rotational momentum. Kudos!
Those last two lines broke my heart. There were so many ingenious pieces that came together so beautifully that I'm saddened it's not as efficient as the previous blower and furnace.
Great video! Thanks for producing!
I was supposed to be asleep already, but couldn't stop watching. Very clever. Thank you.
it might help to more closely match the inner diameter the the width of the fan arms the less space between the blades and the wall the more efficient the blower becomes. Also if possible a funnel shape around the air intake would help create a venturi effect and force more air in but it might be kinda hard to get a smooth funnel shape that is durable out of clay without it weighing a ton and making it harder to get the spindle into the housing
None of that really matter if your shoulder turns to jello after a couple of hours though. The original design looks MUCH more physically sustainable than this one.
I was thinking if he had a rock or clay bowl it would be more comfortable to spin the crank since the shaft wouldn't be against his skin, but I agree, I feel like the rapid rocking is gonna be hell in his arm.
@@ammonke6324 true, but this one seems more fun
I would also add, put a rock at the bottom of the fan, to not dig into the ground and add more gears to change the motion from spinning to moving front and back (like rowing) to use your bicep too so that it's easier on the shoulder (maybe?). What a fun project, great job! :)
@@CommunalToast That's what the nut shell @2:36 is for.
Heya, I noticed in your design you're using leaves to act as fan blades. However you use only a single stick with the leaves stuck between them. Now when you reach a high enough RPM, wouldn't this result in the leaves eventually bending over the singular stick during use which would result in less surface area picking up wind and thus less airflow?
I was thinking of a double fan with two sticks holding the leaves at the top and bottom of each leaf/fan, which would reduce the problem
i was thinking of something like that. the fan blades need to be beefed up a bit
unlike the previous blower, since it only moves in one direction, the leaves also don't get reset the rotation in opposite direction
Also instead or leaves, u could use tree buck?
He can avoid that added complexity altogether by either using stronger leaves or limiting the rotational velocity of the fan.
Or use a small twig placed vertically on the end of each arm where the leaf is to brace the leaf when under acceleration
Best blower design yet! Only change i would make is move the removable part in the top somewhere else so it isn't over the exit tunnel
O primeiro e inigualável primitivo do CZcams! Foi muito bom ver você voltando a gravar, seus vídeos são os melhores da categoria.
With so many documented experimental recreations of primitive smelting methods and the depth of immersion. it seems like John is a leading expert in them!
Who else would watch a 10 hour cut of each of these episodes?
omg I would totally.
Ye
Same tbh
I've got a playlist made of this channel plus Torbjörn Åhman's that I watch to help me sleep. It's very relaxing :)
Yeah, he should go the route of other creators and have some "raw" material on like a second channel or something
I'm glad you keep uploading videos
The first and original Primitive like channel!
As soon as you started spinning it, I thought about how this design would be more work to use in the long run. I'm surprised by how much less efficient it is, but the other design also seems much more comfortable to use, especially for the long time it takes to smelt
While a continous stream of air is surely beneficial, isn't it harder in terms of coordination and stamina to run the new fan for a prolonged time? or does the improved efficiancy mean that you also cut down on the time needed to finish and therefore lower the requirement in terms of stamina/coordination again?
edit: nvm the points were adressed at the very end^^ I wrote my comment in the middle of the vid
Our man and legend is one smart cookie so I never click "reply" until I've watched everything and read all the captions, for precisely the reason you just discovered :P
Well made editing, simple yet insightful.
I think something quite important in the efficiency of designs like this is the fan blade tip clearance from the housing, which I know with your setup is not easy to control too precisely, but may be worth looking into if you revisit the idea
This is probably my favourite of your videos, showing the absolute laborious dedication to this craft, in that you spent all this time on a *hypothesis* that didn't even pan out.
Many of your videos in sequence give an ever-improving sense of progression, always getting a little bit better as you become more familiar with the methods, and perhaps even research new ones to refine the process, etc., so it's nice to see the other side of the coin where things aren't necessarily an improvement, but still got the full effort.
Yeah, I agree! Human tenacity is just amazing. Watching Jon's videos you really get a sense of how every development in our history has been making processes easier more efficient. You can just imagine our ancestors thinking "Bloody hell this is tiring work, there must be an easier way to do this." I guess while doing laborious repetitive tasks you have a lot time to think 🤣
@@dankings5326 This video very much had the "Dr. Stone" kind of gag where develop new production method, then the characters are like "oh no, this is going to take a lot of repetitive labor to use and produce the next thing, is it...."
I had an unbelievably shit day today and sitting down to see you'd uploaded lifted my spirits, I love watchign your processes and how you build things it's fascinating
i think my favorite part is that u can hear the flame roaring when the blasted air hits it. U usually associate stuff like that to big ass fancy structures, but hearing it hear is pretty damn awesome
I kinda wish I had a forest to do this kinda stuff in. I've always wanted to do the hand drill to start fire however, I've never been able to get the right wood and I know I could do it with the right kind! Anyways love the videos. Your channel is a rare one where you've done the same thing for the past 10 years and haven't had to change to keep your success and viewers interested.
Hey. Thanks for the new upload! Are there any plans in the future for more water powered tech? I loved the "Water Powered Hammer (monjolo)" video. It's like primitive robotics!
With a round shaped inner bottom edge you ll avoid turbulences hence a faster blow. adding a weight at the end of "flywheel"will allow you to use a kind of thin board for the impeller. And as always, Thank You!
When I watch his videos, I realize how much I love these four concrete walls of my house.
This is the first video Iv seen since a few years and damn I can’t believe he’s made it to the Iron Age. Well done.
Glad to see you still out here with us. I know these projects are not easy, and you always had the copycats frustrations, but verry happy with all these. Thank you.
Please post a full-length video of one of these smelts so we can fully understand how many hours it takes to do one. I don't think folks realize how much long-term mind-numbing effort you put into these videos. :) Thank you!
The time it takes would be nice to know, for each longer process, but there is no need for a long video.
He can easily write it.
@@zugihe actually did write it in the comments of one of his previous videos. It's many hours
Top notch fire making skills. Love seeing the stuff you do.
Yes! The curve! I appreciate the unspoken maths and physics in these videos!
Always amazing to watch you work these things out. I think twin leather or other animal tissue (like bladder) bellows, each with a simple one-way flap valve, joined at a Y to create a single output flow is probably where the simplest of forges historically all end up going.
Yes - to push air 1-way through the furnace.
The hell with that, use a human bladder! As long as we don't give a shit about killing, let's go nuts with it. @@lazygardens
With the previous design you were able to use both legs and both arms to continually stoke the fire. I wonder if there's a way to convert this method to use larger muscle groups. This would prevent the fatigue from setting in so quickly. Don't give up on this design, I can see it out performing the previous design! Great video as always!
gear ratios =P
@@ThulgoreYeah, I was also thinking about gears. I dont know if he's already that far in the tech tree though 😊
@@SolarWebsite, clay and fiber gears? It's hard to make it precisely though.
The most efficient high endurance muscles on the body (besides the heart and diaphragm) are the leg muscles. So you really have look at a bicycle, leg press, or rowing type system. Which would generally necessitate more precision drive mechanisms or counterweights. The hard part is can you design such a system without violating the primitive spirit everything. Sectioning large wooden rounds for drive systems are much too modern for such 5000-3000 BC technology.
@@SolarWebsite you can absolutely make a gear out of lashed sticks. Just don't expect it to be able to handle anything stronger than a person turning it by hand for a while.
its crazy how simple the new fan is yet so effective
This man made a god damn turbo charger out of mud, sticks and leaves.
Seeing this video just puts so many ideas into my own head. I could easily see you hooking something like this up to a water wheel and adding gear ratios. Can't wait to see you pull yourself out of the stone age!