BMW N47 & BMW N57 Engine Parts That Fail After 100,000 Miles
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- These are the engine parts that are guarenteed to fail on the BMW N47 and BMW N57 engine after they have covered 100,000 miles.
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Thanks lad. Time for me to pop the bonnet and get paranoid. 😂
:)))))
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You are a legend man, I just bought 2011 F11 525d with 117000 miles. Will be checking all those parts soon. Thanks and keep it up
Thank you George for such interesting blogs. My car is a 2012 F20 120d with the N47. I recently followed your blog on removal of the inlet manifold to replace the coolant inlet flange. I have done just on 350 000 kilometres and to my surprise the manifold did not require cleaning. Most of my driving is long distance trips between Johannesburg and my farm in the Free State, a distance of 350 km, which I do more or less once in two weeks. I am rather alarmed about your comment on the timing chain. I service my car myself at 15 000km intervals using only 5w40 pure synthetic oil. I have never had any mechanical failure. I have driven other BM's and Alfas. This is the best car I have had. Sadly, I am about to replace it.
You and the bmw doctor really know your stuff, great content mate thank you for all the videos you do
Cheers Sean, appreciate it mate
Mine never failed and I changed my oil every 19k miles on my E60 520d. At 220k miles I decided to change the chain for peace of mind. Now I am on 250k miles and only the turbo was serviced and the water pump and some front suspension parts changed. Going like a clock and still reaching 140mph without any problem. But now in its old age (59 plate), I give it tlc and change the 5w30 oil every 10k. I have now decided to change the auto transmission oil and filter plate before Christmas. ☘️☘️
Brought a N47 3 series at 90K miles. Changes pretty much every single part already between 100-120k. Car runs with out any faults at this moment.
Really great video; I'm just planning on buying and F11 535d or 530d. I've always enjoyed working on my Beemers and taking the engine out doesn't phase me.. this video is really helpful thanks a lot for posting mate :-)
Very informative video! Thanks!
I'm driving one of these, specifically the F10 535d. What I'd like to say if you keep the service intervals at 15k miles, neglect the time needed for the engine oil to warm up and use bad quality oil then don't be surprised when everything will start to fail.
My interval is 1year / 6-10k miles. I always let the oil to warm up mid-range of the gauge before I start fooling around. I've never, ever used launch control and I'm using high quality LL04 oil and high quality diesel. Don't make the mistake of using LL01 / cheap diesel or your DPF will die quickly. Especially if you don't do much of a highway daily.
Happily hitting 100k miles now with no problems whatsoever.
The funny thing is that I have a 2010 320d which I bought 5 years ago with 136 000 km and now has 345 000 km . All of those parts that the guy listed already failed .
George you have wright with all the parts you have metion, my engine is an n57 with 120000miles and I have replace them all and all have just a little bit of life left in them...Thanks for advice and this grate info. Keep it going!!!!!
George, just got my first bmw 328d with 129k miles, the second week it threw codes P2004 (intake manifold runner stuck open) and P2453 and P2454 ( diesel particulate filter differential pressure sensor ciurcut low. There is also a recall on the car for EGR cooler. What should I do? Do I need to clean intake manifold or replace it?
Great video. After watching noticed my crankshaft breather hose was leaking on to the EGR valve. Funnily enough had an egr valve fault!!
Great video like always. Quick question, if I want to keep my EGR, how often do you think I should open it up/Inspect/clean? every 20k miles?
I would say that is sufficient yes
Fantastic George, very informative as usual.
Cheers Graham!
Nice video! I have a question, I have a 11/2016 F31 LCI 330d and when I look up the intake manifold on realoem I dont see the rod part like I see with older versions of the engine/car. Am I to assume that its a different manifold and should not worry about this issue? Thanks in advance!
Great job George, feel quite lucky to own the almost same model E60 as yours:) Thanks a lot for making these videos! Currently get more times to do some mods to my car by rewatching your videos.
Good stuff man, glad I can be of some help👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters have 300k with my first chain without sounds, should a replace that?
Much appreciated I've got a 1 series with 147k. Just sorted the abs rings, now got a egr / dpf issues causing intermittent limp mode. So the egr is going, hopefully a dpf clean then that's sorted. Now I know things I should replace as soon as I can thanks. After I look in the service history, with any luck some or this has been done 😂 but I don't think so
Good job ,George ,thanks for your advice.
Great video, thanks. I just used it to replace my Tensioner/pully/belt set on my E90 N47 with 170k Miles on it. I too replace oil and filter every 5k.
Thanks for the video. I wish i had watched the video before purchasing the X1 at 156K kms. it seems i have lot of work on my hand. i do like to work on my cars so i will do most myself. i will watch your videos as i carry out servicing. i do have a question about the intake manifold. there is lot of soot deposit around intake manifold area. it seems it must be leaking out from intake manifold. should i just replace the intake manifold? or try to clean it and see if the rod is ok?
Great video mate 👍
Hi George
I bought a BMW 640d xDrive and its a dream. But i've noticed that when launching it (with launch control) or going at high speeds, it burns oil. There's no smoke, no oil spilling when stand still, nothing.
Do you have any piece of advice into what can this be? It's worht mentioning that it's programmed for oil change tomorrow (Just bought it and it's due to changing). Can that be a potential factor as well?
Thank you!
Hi mate, great video!
Are you also familiar with the next versions of these engines like the B47 and B57?
Are the common failure parts the same for those aswell or do you think BMW has changed any of them?
Hi mate. Many parts are very similar but some are designed much better on the new B series engines.
George, do you recommend replacing the water pump and thermostat while you're already there doing the crank pulley/harmonic balancer, drive belt, and belt tensioner? It would seem a natural time to get this done, but perhaps the cooling system is not very stressed being a diesel and the pump bearing lasts 200K miles rather than 100K. Would you choose to do it at say 120K if the pump was not weeping?
Hi mate I have a 2014 218d with 50k miles on it n47n engine
Love all your video
What is the best oil to use in the engine
Many thanks Anthony
Thank you man ..keep going 👍
I have the N47 engine from 2012 in my car, working perfectly well at 228000 miles, thank you for your video
Glad to hear!
bmw enginer?or salesman?
Who?
@@GeorgeAusters ,David Viner
It would have been easier to place them in the front, but it´s not really a fault is just a different design,... the chain can be replaced from underneath the car, no need to take out the engine; that is what BMW service do, they don´t take out the engines.
I'm going to look at an e91 320D ED this afternoon, its got 105k miles. Looks very well looked after and FSH. Should I be worried about timing chain?
hi george ,please answer would fuel line coming damage an injector causing knocking noise underaccelration . n47 diesel ? iv had timing chains done
Hi George, I have a 530d from august 2010. I am not sure about swirl flaps failure/issues. Do you know if this is a problem on this engine? I am not sure if it is a N57 og N57B.
How much did you spend on parts? Curiosity as I may go through some of your changes
Is there any way to check if timing chain has been changed before ?? I purchased the car at 196 000 km ,it’s a e60 520d 2008
Hi mate just quick question I have a fault code saying glow plug control unit missing on two glow plugs would that be the unit or I put faulty glow plugs in
Hi, could you please tell me what is the difference between a bmw 318d and 320d. I have a bmw 318d n47 2013 and what to convert it to a 320d. People say it is just the tune that is different but when you remap a 318d it goes from 143bhp to 184bhp where a 320d is 184hp standard and goes to 230bhp. Nice videos
I have a 2009 E91 318D with the N47. It has now done 105000miles and the chain sound is there. The engine has performed flawless up until now. (with regular oil changes)
I'm educating myself to do the chain job myself. So I must thank you for making these informative videos on this engine.
It's like you say, spite it's trouble it is a great engine that really performs and still keeps fuel consummation really low.
To bad that in my country(Norway) it's illegal to remove the EGR system, so I'm stuck with it.
Check that its not a recalled item, there was a fault with the timing chains in these that caused failure (chain rubbed)... it was on watchdog in the UK: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/23p5j5wzPtYflS7kFvmKVZf/bmw-deny-engine-failures-are-due-to-manufacturing-fault#:~:text=The%20Team-,BMW%20deny%20engine%20failures%20are%20due%20to%20manufacturing%20fault,built%20between%202007%20and%202009.&text=But%20if%20the%20timing%20chain,that%20can%20happen%20without%20warning.
You may at least be able to get some money towards it being changed.
@@dodge2451
It was a so called goodwill from BMWs part, but my car is to old and milige to high.
I want to buy an x1 with 2 liter diesel engine, 143 hp. Is it true that newer models after 2012 has the timing chain in front of the engine to easy acces? Or all N47 engines has the chain in the back? Thank you.
Thanks a million my bro.
My N47 cars over the years.....
- BMW 118d/58 mileage = 250,000 miles (regular 8,000/10,000 miles) oil changes
- BMW 318d 2012/12 = 140,000 miles (regular 8,000/10,000 miles)
- BMW MINI 2009/59 1.4 PSA (another issue with long intervals on their chains) mileage = 150,000 miles (regular 8,000/10,000 miles).
See the running theme here, oil service intervals are the secret to long life, not even expensive oil, just the cheapest correct spec I can find. Also, this will help your turbo's on the cars also, that can leave a £1k fix if these get neglected, again linked to long oil intervals.
I reckon my camshaft sensor needs replacing. Is there just one of these on the N47 engine? And where is this?
George,what about removing the EGR valve but DPF is still active? That will works ?
Hi do you put premium diesel or just regular in them?
Hi I have 2008 bmw 320d e90.... where can I purchase a crankcase breather hose from? Kind regards
Have you ever heard of dropped cylinder liners/sleeves on N47? My coolant hoses are pretty pressurize/hard and my expansion tank has a small microscopic hole thru which is leaking coolant/steaming.
Nice video mate, just a couple of points. Title is a bit OTT, these are common points of failure but by no means guaranteed to fail after 100k. I recently sold my 2012 e90 N47 with 199k and none of those things had failed. Just regular maintainence. The other thing is I wouldn't publicly recommend removing the EGR. BMW put it there to channel your sooty emissions back into the engine to be burnt off to comply with emissions regulations. By removing it your sooty emissions aren't recirculating into the engine but going straight out the exhaust into the air everyone breathes, so whilst it may be better for your car it's not for the environment, so yeah, that's illegal.
Were are the links to the parts mentioned on the above viedo, Nice information thanks
Bro, what’s called the left big tube where air go’s to the radiator next your oil filter? Thanks!
Great video having these problem one by one !
Timing chain on my f10 N57 broke at about 100k miles. I'd bought the car at about 80k miles and after the warranty finished I took out private warrant.. as expected the timing chain was NOT covered and cost me the best part of 2k to fix!
My previous M57 was absolutely bullet proof. All I ever done was a swirl flap delete and changed the oil breather spongy thing to a vortex type. It lasted me 250k miles. Was still going strong when I sold it.
This n57 has given me no end of problems and it's only just reached 120k miles.
You need to replace the timing chain before it fails 👍🏻
@@GeorgeAusters I learnt the hard way..... very hard!
Love your thorough and balanced approach you’ve tacitly convinced me to buy a 17-18 x5m, and for that, I thank you.
You’re welcome! With which engine?
@@GeorgeAusters n57
USA
"That's just down to their neglect" I agree totally. at 70k or 80k and then especially over 100K you have to expect that even long life parts will be getting tired. Whether you get another 50K or 5K is pot luck that no-one can calculate as too many variables.
Either buy a new car, or one with 100K+ and expect to maintain it, or pay someone else to do it for you.
Great video, gonna break out the tools and start doing some of these bits for cheap. Just wish I didn't have to take all the damn covers off every time
Could removal of the egr compromise your insurance?
Looking at buying a 120d, this video is going to come in handy massively!! Thanks mate
Same :D
Any video on the rocker cover gasket? Thanks
Good info mate. Really informative
Cheers
George, very interesting video, what about the newer (2013 184 HP) engines, same problems or have some been solved?
Pretty much the exact same issues
I have owned a lot of bmw ,s ,starting with the 1800 ,through to the present X3 ,with the n47 engine .I would recommend anyone with a BMW to listen to George and change the oil every 5000 MILES regardless.don,t do it and you will have a lot of problems apart from the timing chain,the biggest is the camshaft,rockers,valve seals ect .
Cheers Barry
thx a lot man!
my F10 N57 has 100k miles, so changing this next week, just to be sure!
BTW, when fault on glow plugs, DPF WON'T REGENERATE!
No prob!
Hi have a n47 2010 316d had the chain replaced for peace of mine already (88,000m) and I'm under the impression the 316d engine doesn't have swirl flaps? Also I dont suppose you know the cause of a zero quantity adaptation injector 2 means? Fantastic video btw
Hi George, what do you think about engine /gearbox mounts? I have 163k miles now and the only things i haven't changed are the engine/gearbox mounts and pulley belt kit
If they need replacing then replace them. Or replace them whilst the engine is out if they have play👍🏻
My breather hose was completely snapped off for unknow ammount of time could something be damaged as the result? the hose showed at 3:00
hello George, what you think what is the main problem leaking oil on N57 on valve cover, I'm on 68.000 km F16
Great information. Thank you.
Cheers!
Hello, I just bought a 320D but had not heard of the engine problems before, I read that a lot of the issues arrived on engines of 2009 and earlier and that some improvements were incorporated in 2011, the N47 engines were replaced in 2014, mine is december 2013, might that suggest my risk of these problems is less. Looking at some videos I saw that there was a change of timing belt tensioner, I wonder what other differences there might have been.
Hello matey I have 320d 2011 can the egr just be deleted of the map or does it have to be blank of
My brother’s 318D just got its timing chain ripped. RIP 🪦
However my 118D has done 270000 km. So far only EGR has failed(Its been deactivated) I changed the suspension and brakepads around 200000 and its been going since then. Regular service interval with good quality oil in between. Its now time to give it some love. Brake discs and belt change. Also got a whining noise. Could be alternator bearing. Best car i ever owned although it’s getting old and beat up.
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... video, thanks.
Great video’s from your channel. Really appreciate the time and effort you put in to produce them. My F10 has CBS and after a service reset starts at 17k miles and works down from there, but I ignore this and service it between every 8k to 10k miles. I try to stay on top of all it’s servicing needs, and in 8 years of ownership and 155k miles it’s never broken down on me once, not a single time! (need to possibly do the chain though)??? Possibly chop it in before that though!
F10 is a b57 it it not
@@paulnolan6866 my F10 is a N47N but post-2013 F11’s or F10’s maybe B’s.
@@TheGreatestBeyonder mine is 2012 and it is N47
Interesting you didn't mention the Turbo or the actuator. Mine went at 94,000. Cost
me £950 to have
sorted
Hello, do you have a garage?, I got a BMW X5 E70 LCI 40d N57D30 engine, perfectly fine but worth checking all pints that you mentioned, thanks for this video and the other videos, valuable information.😉
Got a leaky valve cover gasket. Should I replace both the valve cover and the gasket, while I’ve got the thing off, or is it fine to reuse? If I’m not mistaken, it’s plastic, so it wouldn’t surprise me if it warped from repeated heat cycles and led to the cover leak to begin with. Got 108,000 miles.
Nice one . He defo covered everything correctly.
Wish id found channel a few weeks ago 😅 E82 / N47 with 156k miles. Just had the EGR replaced as well as the manifold aa due to a cardon build up, it had focused the heat and eventually burned a hole in the casing!
Should have deleted 🤦♂️ lol
2015 328d with n47 keeps throwing "injector Learning Max" Code. Car runs fine and everything seems normal. But cel stays on. I typically run a bottle of diesel kleen through it and it goes away, but this could be leading up to injector failure would you agree, or with the diesel kleen clearing the issue over and over, would you lean more towards the injectors being dirty?
Re adaption on injectors prob sort that on ista d
Hi George, quick question, I got a F11 with N47 (520d 2014), is the timing chain issue also a threat on that model? I've heard it was up to 2011, when BMW changed the design or material ???
Yes it’s on all N47/N57 models, less common on later models but the main cause is lack of oil changes
Hi george great content quick question my car is 06 e60 520d with the M47 engine so does this engine have similar or the same issues ? Swirl flaps is one im mindful of thanks
Completely different engine mate so has its own problems👍🏻
And crank case breather hose if this is the same principle with my car as there is an oily mess just under engine cover !! This week i intend getting some of these jobs tended too any advice apreciated
Hello. I am new in your chanel and new in N47d20 engine from 5. 2011. In Bmw f10. I have allso Bmw e39 with 3.0d from 2001 with 550.000km. I use mobil 1 3000 full sintetic 5w40 longlife04 and i am more than satisfide. Can u tell me your opinion about using the same oil in N47. Thanks
Thank you
Bro, what’s called the left tube where air go’s to the radiator?
Thanks for the imformative video, I think I'm lucky to have one with 110k miles that's got no problems. Connsidering its had a questionable past as the previous owner put runflats on the front and normal tires on the back🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️ I hope it'll stay strong for about a year, then i might get a 130i or z3 3.0
Regarding the swirl flaps & rod. Can you replace them or do you need to replace the manifold altogether ?
Can you keep the EGR all in place BUT just block off the manifold hole and not get any codes?
This video really gave me hope on my recent purchase, 520d with 240.000km. I wasn’t aware of any issue at the time that I bought the car. Then I saw so many people complaining and saying to run away from that engine. I was really sad about that. However the car sounds and fells just great. Now I know what I have to look after. Many thanks for your video.
How has it been treating?
@@motheongoepe56 I haven’t drive it, because I’m working out. But I changed the timing kit. But I no longer think too much about the issues. People stress a lot (too much).
Still going strong?
Yes, everything seems ok until now. But I did just 5.000km since I bought it. I’m planing on getting it remapped within a couple months, and possibly remove the PAF.
@Nice, i just bought a 520D last week it broke down on the highway on my way home from the dealership, towed it back there and they are currently fixing it
Mate I hit smoke coming from rear drivers side
Like a oily burning smell
Any ideas
Hi I got 320D N47 E90 is not starting when is hot but when is cold starting perfect and driving nice
I think it may be problem with ignition coils
I just bought an 330d xd n57 engine. Every problem you mentioned i will do thx man. But if you watch my short video you will hear missfire what do you think it is. Also it has a chip remapping so i have around 300pk and 186.000km on the engine. And the 300 need to go up 😎
N47 has these problems. I have a B47, are all these issues present or some corrected by bmw?
Hiya m8 loving you’re CZcams channel you are on you’re game lol I am hoping you can help ? I have error code on dash of Bmw 123d 047 & 048 pop up today & then go bk off ?? Very strange
Dit is een zeer leerzame video ik had veel in mijn gedachte dat hier te zien is!!i
Ik ben blij dat het je heeft geholpen. Bedankt voor het kijken!
Ik heb een meetstift als controle voor de rek van de distrebutieketting !!
Kan dat electronis???
I have never heard that the harmonic balancer failing. M57 for sure. But not on n57. Anyways I'm at 110k miles. Injectors are all solid the seals. Glow plugs never had issues either. But good Informative info.
Yes they fail around 150K miles
My car rattles on start up n47 engine car has been serviced every 7-10k on 100k now so I'm assuming it's chain soon to be replaced
*Really* good video George, thank you for sharing. Personally I highly recommend switching the breather hose for an oil catch can. It is a fiddle to install, but so worth it. I now have the carbon build up that you talk about in another video under the injectors - looking for the video where you replace the injectors / strip the engine down, can't seem to see it (have found your excellent video on re-seating them)
Where did you get your catch can from?
The video where I remove the injectors etc is here: czcams.com/video/YE1M5uUl71s/video.html
@@GeorgeAusters Thanks for the really quick reply! I got it as a kit from eBay - it's a Mann Provent 200. The only place I could get it as a kit was Australia! Cost was £200+import fees. If I did it again I would buy the bits separately. Have done a video on it last week - the mounting plate was a pain to make up, but now that it's installed = massive peace of mind. Will edit up and share next week :-)
@@FixItWithJon Just saw your vid mate
@@GeorgeAusters Yep - I'm going to supersede that - I installed it the wrong way round! And now have a proper mounting plate - the first install bounced around on the bonnet and made a racket.
thanks doing good vedio
Is egr valve effects MOT??
Hi George I'm a new subscriber and I'm loving ur videos, seen ur video about blanking the egr system on n47 engine could u tell me at what rpm the egr valve is open/ closed?
EGR generally opens from 1000-2000rpm
@@GeorgeAusters thanks for the quick reply, so am I right in thinking if I'm doing 70 on the motorway with rpm at around 2100-2200 the valve should be closed and saving my engine from all that nasty exhaust gases🤣
@@dazza3496 At 2100-2000rpm you should be good yes!
@@GeorgeAusters thanks, my car has just had a new egr cooler thanks to bmw recall and I had the valve replaced a few months back because the circuit board on it had burn out 🤬 so il try keep it in good nick because 90 percent of my driving is motorway, thanks for the advice 👍🏼
Hi I’m a new subscriber love your channel. Just want to ask if blanking the egr will void the warranty as this considered as mods unless you will declare it?
I wouldn’t recommend removing the EGR or any mods if your car is still within the warranty period
@@GeorgeAusters Do you have a garage? I would happily bring my BMW N57 engine for some of these "mods"
@@avt3401 I can do EGR delete, intake manifold cleaning etc.
@@GeorgeAusters Thanks for getting back to me, where are you located?
Does EGR removal potentially cause problems with MOT? They usually check that nothing was modified from factory right? Could we not clean it or exchange it for a new one if in bad condition?
Maybe the injector cleaning and the copper seals and checking for black death? I would like a general inspection too, to see if there is anything else worth changing!
Another very helpful vid - thanks for that! :-)
By the way: It took me some time to realize that the crankcase breather became leaky. Rheingold / error register displayed "3FF0 Airflow meter plausibility error" or "Ladedruck", so i changed the Airflow meter without any effect for 140€. In the end, replacing the crankcase breather solved the problem.
N47 actually at 100.000 Miles. No probs with timing chain (built 12/2010, E91 LCI).
Thanks man👍🏻
Are the newer N47 (2014 onwards) still prone to the same problems or lesser now, heard the timing chain is made better
Still prone to failure, but lack of oil changes and start / stop is a big factor
While EGR delete sounds good keep in mind the whole purpose of it is to lower the temperature inside the combustion chamber, and this makes the Zeldovich mechanism not to trigger as much (where nitrogen from air at high temp makes it degrade and react with oxygen and makes NOx pollutants). While at MOT on diesel afaik is only measured the opacity (and here EGR delete is actually beneficial), the NOx will be way higher!
Pollutuion aside, without EGR the mean temperature inside the chamber will be a fair bit higher. This will make the engine slightly overheated.
Keep a watch on coolant temperature. (wait... E60 does not have a proper coolant temp gauge. but you can activate the digital gauge from the menu before each start)
EGR delete actually means lower coolant temps. Mine stays around 87-90 celcius
@@GeorgeAusters
Here there are two modifications at once, since collant does not get heated by EGR gases anymore, but in theory and practice there is more heat generated in combustion chamber and this may result in lower temp overall. Could be.
On my other car with renault F9Q engine after egr block the thermostat position at same temperature was higher than before egr removal. So this means the temp overall is not rising (the thermostat is taking care of that) but the heat produced is higher. (the Renault F9Q does not have egr cooler)
I recently got an E61 520D with quite some milage (270000km) in pretty good shape, everything working, no errors on ISTA-D, full service history with regular maintenance done only in dealership up to 250000km at a very good price.
I plan to replace the timing chain as you did in your video but would rather leave the engine in place and remove the gearbox. (i have a garage with car lift so no trouble going underneath) This way i don't mess with the wire loom on the engine. Also i have a gear puller to remove the pinion on the high pressure diesel pump so will not touch (hopefully) the mounting of the pump.
I am an automotive phd engineer and teach about diesel injection principles at university. My experience wrenching is low since i don't do this every day but i've rebuilt engines and gearboxes before and will tackle the repairs myself.
If you remove the EGR system physically, do you need to do software as well? and does this affect DPF regens? Keep getting conflicting answers. I know you could delete the DPF also but don't really want to do that. Of course in either of these scenarios the car would not be on the road...;)
Send a donation to support the channel and I’d be happy to help you out bro
Crankshaft pulley went at 135 k. Old rubber Centre just destroyed itself so worth changing for sure though not the cheapest part. Belt changed of course. Just seen this vid so will look at your other recommendations. Many thanks.
Cheers Ian!