I Won a Tournament with Paleozoic

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Komentáře • 216

  • @Lich_V.
    @Lich_V. Před měsícem +621

    Alternative Title: World Champion bullies casual players

    • @Bleshch1
      @Bleshch1 Před měsícem +37

      Everyone starts somewhere and imagine if one of those locals beat him, would be a huge confidence boost and lead to a new world champ

    • @tumage8592
      @tumage8592 Před měsícem +7

      He corrects paleos tiered status

    • @geiseric222
      @geiseric222 Před měsícem +23

      I don’t know he introduced that lightsworn player to the new cards so that guy got a lot out of it

    • @play.through
      @play.through Před měsícem +11

      Getting bodied by Josh would be a wonderful learning experience

    • @PyckledNyk
      @PyckledNyk Před měsícem +4

      This is how I feel when I go to locals with Snake Eye lol I’m definitely not a world champion, but a lot of decks are just pet decks

  • @k-dawgHI
    @k-dawgHI Před měsícem +131

    Not even 2 mins in and it’s so wholesome to hear Josh talk about locals and how the Lightsworn player seemed to have had a good time!

    • @geiseric222
      @geiseric222 Před měsícem +24

      Josh literally changed that man’s life, now he can combo with his pet deck to his hearts content

  • @spotsquadgaming2928
    @spotsquadgaming2928 Před měsícem +260

    Hello, here is the Lab Player, was a really nice and intense Game! Nice to see your insight into that Deck. Paleo will be Tier 1 one day

    • @Destrudo5359
      @Destrudo5359 Před měsícem +2

      no it won't it's a troll deck...

    • @gothicfemboy428
      @gothicfemboy428 Před měsícem +20

      ​@@Destrudo5359Paleo frog was rouge at one point

    • @geiseric222
      @geiseric222 Před měsícem +40

      @@gothicfemboy428it won a YCS, by this guy

    • @Virulence-xb2rv
      @Virulence-xb2rv Před měsícem +18

      Paleos can contend with a lot of meta decks and can counter tenpai with a single card

    • @spotsquadgaming2928
      @spotsquadgaming2928 Před měsícem +2

      @@Virulence-xb2rv Its really hard to play but yes you can beat meta decks with it, but there are match ups which are really hard and time is a big issue

  • @GodzillaFreak
    @GodzillaFreak Před měsícem +54

    With the dragon engine we have entered the Mesozoic

  • @juliovalente9434
    @juliovalente9434 Před měsícem +53

    For anyone that doesn’t get the “everyone get in here”, It’s basically a quote of a card called grim patron in hearthstone (world of war craft card game) that multiples itself until your opponent would die or give up lol

    • @jkid1134
      @jkid1134 Před měsícem

      Oh man. It was a 3/3 that summoned another grim patron whenever it survived damage, and warrior had all these cheap cards that hurt your guys and did something aggressive, and a few cheap guys that were balanced around getting triggered like twice in the early game and getting run over that were going off over and over, so all of a sudden there was this cheap aggro deck that killed you if it stuck a guy into the midgame and had a combo of some kind ready if it didn't (a combo that involved listening to the Grim Patron say "Everyone, get IN here!" a half dozen times as you flood your board)...

    • @ShinerCCC
      @ShinerCCC Před měsícem

      I've seen Grim Patron with Corpse Explosion to make a giant Necrotic Explosion in 2024...

  • @koito3929
    @koito3929 Před měsícem +140

    ༼ ºل͜º ༽ºل͜º ༽ºل͜º ༽ EVERYONE,GET IN HERE ༼ ºل͜º༼ ºل͜º༼ ºل͜º ༽

  • @YukiHeroYGO
    @YukiHeroYGO Před měsícem +17

    Shoutout to that LIghtsworn player! So wholesome, I wish everyone could a be a little more like them (enjoying game and have fun with their favorites)

  • @user-nz6ls2zc8x
    @user-nz6ls2zc8x Před měsícem +18

    I wanna see a duel where Joshua uses this Paleozoic deck vs Jesse Kotton uses his Crystal beast deck. That would be a dream to see.

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 Před měsícem +2

      Pet Deck tournament when

    • @BlackShiraya
      @BlackShiraya Před měsícem +6

      @@ashikjaman1940 Pet Deck Invitational - 7 Rounds of Robin (Best of 3s)
      1) Josh - Paleo
      2) Jesse - Crystal Beast
      3) MBT - Heros
      4) Farfa - BA
      5) Dzeef - Altergeist
      6) Distant Coder - Unchained
      7) TSX - Dino
      8) Lithium - Monarchs

  • @versutus2699
    @versutus2699 Před měsícem +19

    I'm honestly more amazed that chat offers useful suggestions. good job chat

  • @danlay638
    @danlay638 Před měsícem +4

    As someone who recently netdecked your paleo list from back in the day for some time wizard, seeing this made me happy for you

  • @Eiji475
    @Eiji475 Před měsícem +6

    This is so cool and what I really love about yugioh. Finding those weird funny old cards to work in new decks. Obviously sometimes it becomes a little too good like with Vanity's or Appointer but most of the time its just cool tech options.

    • @Petsinwinter2
      @Petsinwinter2 Před měsícem +3

      In this case, it's all old cards with the exception of Transaction Rollback. Rollback really broke this deck wide open.

  • @MRunavaible
    @MRunavaible Před měsícem +10

    ur locals sound dope haha :) the under a rock duelists are amazing :P

  • @superskrub4209
    @superskrub4209 Před měsícem +13

    For anyone that wants to experiment with some suggestions from this vid's chat
    the black goat laughs
    magical hats
    barricadeborg blocker
    red lotus king, flame crime
    non-aggression area
    earthbound release
    xyz revive splash & xyz armor engine

    • @Petsinwinter2
      @Petsinwinter2 Před měsícem +6

      Surprised I haven't heard anyone suggesting Spiritual Water Art Aoi

    • @xCorvus7x
      @xCorvus7x Před měsícem +1

      @@Petsinwinter2 I guess it might just not do enough compared to other cards that either do more or let you setup/extend.

  • @serena9165
    @serena9165 Před měsícem +50

    The next evolution is when runick paleo the ultimate evolution

    • @tumage8592
      @tumage8592 Před měsícem +10

      Sadly they really dont walk together. Mill yourself and banish your opponents stuff as well as one beeing only focused around traps while the other is focused on quick-plays

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 Před měsícem +5

      We just need a Runick trap that can be treated as a quick play spell

    • @DecadeMinato
      @DecadeMinato Před měsícem

      @@tumage8592 mill yourself and runick go hand in hand like peanut butter a jelly sandwich. Ishizu Runick was the strongest and most viable deck to deck out your opomenent while always having gas.

    • @tumage8592
      @tumage8592 Před měsícem

      @@DecadeMinato 1 extra Deck space is already tight. Since almost all pieces are Paleo Synergy, or boardwipes, neither which runick Providers, what do you put out for hugin? Or do you cut her out? With the shown deck-profile you could squeze one in for S:P, although you would put another Zeus or Anolmacris there.

    • @tumage8592
      @tumage8592 Před měsícem

      @@DecadeMinato you need your battlephase for Zeus, which is one of the most importand cards to easily boardwipe. Also every time you draw a single runick spell your pretty out of luck, because going for hugin into fountain just lets you go -2 and a singular disruption you cant reuse with rollback or otherwise synergyses with the Deck is really Bad, you only take Icedragons in some matchups and its a 2 for 1. If you dont have fountain every milled runick is a Miss, and the core deck already has a bit of a problem with missing Mills. Also even if you mill runick spells but cant trigger your fountain even having it doesnt Work that well. It basically needs setup you dont buy. Its morganite with extra steps but less Payoff. Morganite gives you two draws every turn but you have to go -1 turn one. Runick might give you +2 but you have to work with mostly runick, your paleos will not really do much in that setup and basically half your deck is next to useless.

  • @AlexanderMadolche
    @AlexanderMadolche Před měsícem

    Congratulations on the continuing fun with this deck, i love watching this saga and i hope you can surprise us with a big top or win with it

  • @MarioLopez-xs3vc
    @MarioLopez-xs3vc Před měsícem +6

    Thank you, Paleos strongest

  • @coldweaver7413
    @coldweaver7413 Před měsícem +8

    Progression series: Paleo edition

    • @ashikjaman1940
      @ashikjaman1940 Před měsícem

      Josh should start a Prog series but he just plays Paleos or Runick the entire time while everyone else plays normally

  • @mariorovira3639
    @mariorovira3639 Před měsícem +5

    What I love about yugioh is that you can use a super old card like elemental burst in modern decks 😂

    • @Petsinwinter2
      @Petsinwinter2 Před měsícem +5

      Not to mention, it's the first time Burst has ever seen real play

  • @rgjs4537
    @rgjs4537 Před měsícem

    Awesome strategy man.. top notch content as always Josh.

  • @Starwars9696
    @Starwars9696 Před měsícem +23

    Joshua Schmidt can you please break the kozmo archtype for this format

    • @Dr.Moogle
      @Dr.Moogle Před měsícem +7

      They need support. The kind of support TCG exclusives get in Japan. They need a Link and at least two or three custom cards to really push them forward.

    • @Thee9thAaroniero
      @Thee9thAaroniero Před měsícem +5

      Ya a link one for the psychic would be amazing.

  • @undertaker8187
    @undertaker8187 Před měsícem +4

    one little sidenote on fiend comidian.
    the card sound good but got huge flaw. it can be ashed. not even that the ash stopps it it aswell blocks paleospawns with a ash. happen to me in MD 5x after each other so i kicked it out

  • @ianwentz6617
    @ianwentz6617 Před měsícem +1

    I am enamored with how much innovation has been going on with this deck over the last few weeks. This stuff is what peak Yugioh is.

  • @random_bit
    @random_bit Před měsícem +6

    The background music threw me off cause i always have melee running in the back

  • @shterkz777
    @shterkz777 Před měsícem +3

    I REALLY CANT WAIT TO USE THIS DECK OUTTA NOWHERE LMAO

  • @PibsterPewPew
    @PibsterPewPew Před měsícem +1

    ive been playing simul archfeinds and its basically extra copys of d barrier but is great vs tenpai because it locks them out of doing the link combo they do if they cant syncro, and also has good aplication vs snake eye branded and other decks that generally only use 1 type of extra deck summoning

  • @superskrub4209
    @superskrub4209 Před měsícem +8

    Man, losing to Eradicator round 2 after winning going second against Lab is so lame

  • @YuiraKun
    @YuiraKun Před měsícem +1

    I'm just happy that laundry dmaid is getting love

  • @yorda728
    @yorda728 Před měsícem +1

    Thank you for the amazing deck, if possible can you include MD's version at the end? :)

  • @SteelShad0w_
    @SteelShad0w_ Před měsícem +2

    Peak content

  • @MonosEx
    @MonosEx Před měsícem +1

    I tried this deck at nationals yesterdya (kudos to my friend for lending me his rollbacks) and it's pretty fun to play, only issue was going into time each round and ending on a draw when siding out rollbacks, do you think apart from scattershots you could suggest more time specific cards?
    I went win, win, draw, draw, loss (lol munin heal), draw

  • @MorningstarVODS
    @MorningstarVODS Před měsícem

    Balance of Judgement is a good IRL alternative to using the Slifer Trap Package which is a lot easier to combo with in MD

  • @deadlineuniverse3189
    @deadlineuniverse3189 Před měsícem +3

    Soldier dragon is just fun to sit on

  • @NxKiRua
    @NxKiRua Před měsícem

    So great seeing this deck getting better, followed here on youtube, i think i'll build it some time around ! Wouldn't Arias be a great card in this deck ?

  • @ThePheonixOfThe6
    @ThePheonixOfThe6 Před měsícem

    @JoshuaShmidtYGO what do you think of adding 3x arias going second? Combined with something like trap trick, karma cannon or even fiend comedian, it has potential for faster game play

  • @charlesr951
    @charlesr951 Před měsícem

    Back jack, Roll back is basically just DDT 2024

  • @Puffzilla777
    @Puffzilla777 Před měsícem +1

    Fiend Comedian is one of my favorite cards 😍

  • @ruaras6198
    @ruaras6198 Před měsícem +5

    Need to get you into the paleo server lol

  • @yserareborn
    @yserareborn Před měsícem

    This deck looks like hell to fight against as Tenpai.

  • @melleen629
    @melleen629 Před měsícem +1

    have you considered golden upstart ninja into Tsukiyomi haha

  • @sandythamtono2081
    @sandythamtono2081 Před měsícem

    Bruh. The lightsworn dude get mentioned so many times we gotta see this character fight josh recorded in its traditional most powerfull form. 😂😂

  • @LazyLee
    @LazyLee Před měsícem +3

    for a second i thought i left dolphin open

  • @twixtwix2915
    @twixtwix2915 Před měsícem

    I love seeing blaze accel and scatter shot 🥹

  • @kamildanna5253
    @kamildanna5253 Před měsícem

    Play slash draw in side for going Second. You can mill a lot and put resources back in the deck

  • @nshimada1425
    @nshimada1425 Před měsícem +1

    melee music 😩

  • @cankurt1696
    @cankurt1696 Před měsícem +2

    Next Video: Today i Learned About Paleo Runick.

  • @uzmakikunai1
    @uzmakikunai1 Před měsícem +1

    Please take this to Euros lmao

  • @johannesdaun
    @johannesdaun Před měsícem

    What sleeves is Josh using for his Main Deck?

  • @zaleww5824
    @zaleww5824 Před měsícem

    josh can you try to break eldlich as well? I feel like it will get support soon since they getting something like structure deck but without new cards in it. so konami will most likely make support or something that will work well with it to sell the product better

  • @Ragnarok540
    @Ragnarok540 Před měsícem

    Next step on the evolution of this deck maybe is the Tear mermaids, the mill effects are nice, and since this deck doesn't use a field spell they are searchable.

  • @rioleepin1
    @rioleepin1 Před měsícem +1

    Next video title: Today I learnt about Runick Paleozoic

  • @ShinerCCC
    @ShinerCCC Před měsícem

    You could build a version of this for MD's Limit1 fest

  • @poeskey
    @poeskey Před měsícem

    I still think running at least one copy of merli is worth it to summon it off gigantic and it being able to mill 3 to the grave. Not the most insane card but could be nice.

  • @14h3ndo
    @14h3ndo Před měsícem

    Would you run spright sprind to resolve scattershot?

  • @panda_expewess8714
    @panda_expewess8714 Před měsícem

    How does side decking even look for this deck? I would really love to see remote duels with you playing paleo 😊

  • @jakehxllxws259
    @jakehxllxws259 Před měsícem +1

    Oh yeah, froggy time.

  • @henriquebecker4453
    @henriquebecker4453 Před měsícem

    This deck is very intresting, but it have the same problem as Sky Striker that it doesn't have any protection against background wiping like Lightning Storm, Harpie's Feather Duster and Evenly Match, while Labrynth circunvents that by eather wiping the opponent's hand before they can play or just wait for the opponent to stablish a board so they can't use some of those cards, while Paleo's set 5 and pass strategy just beg to be wiped by those tech cards.

    • @tmaz9474
      @tmaz9474 Před měsícem

      1. Coming back from big card disadvantages is what cards like Balance Of Judgement/Hope For Escape are for.
      2. A lot of trap cards are chainable which reduces the effectiveness of mass backrow removal (although getting HFD'ed/Lightning Storm'ed still hurts).
      3. Rollback is a VERY effective way for trap decks to play around mass backrow removal.
      4. Back Jack, see point number 3.
      The comparison to Sky Striker is extremely flawed because for one those are spells, but also they set mainly reactive cards while Paleozoic plays a fair bit of proactive ones. And yes, Labrynth is a bit better against mass backrow removal, but it also heavily relies on monster cards, which is a problem in the current meta.

  • @Nazzyyyy
    @Nazzyyyy Před měsícem +1

    21:03 boom

  • @AkaRyuusei97
    @AkaRyuusei97 Před měsícem

    Have you considered trying out the "Terrors of the [x]root" cards in this deck?

  • @kotado6414
    @kotado6414 Před měsícem +1

    Had a buddy playing your list lol 🔥💀

  • @victorbrule7712
    @victorbrule7712 Před měsícem

    Top tier deck 🗿

  • @STH-hm8iv
    @STH-hm8iv Před měsícem

    Hesr me out, could we use the dragon solider tech in any form of runick? Create lvl 2 bodies and mill so we could get a draw 3 from fountain? But would it be like palieozoic runick?

  • @tumage8592
    @tumage8592 Před měsícem

    Ja man Junge lets Gooo we did it fellas

  • @melantakwarrior8423
    @melantakwarrior8423 Před měsícem

    I think we could also add arias right? I'm running TrapTear in MD and a lot of times arias start my plays going 1st or 2nd or even turn 0. Needlebug,marella, dinomischus on turn 0 has help my deck to reach diamond. Yeah I'm only at diamond but I'm not grinding hard in MD. I just log in to do daily missions and win a couple of duel then I'm done for the day. 😊

  • @ch4parr025
    @ch4parr025 Před měsícem +2

    Paleo forever

  • @Atestinal
    @Atestinal Před měsícem

    Man, this deck is so cool. I'm only basing this on the stream matches, but I wasn't really feeling the draw spells surprisingly, but I did like the draw traps, especially because of rollback. Traptantalizing seemed alright because its effects give it a lot of utility, but it also seemed like it could get stuck in hand in later turns when your hand disappears. I do feel like I prefer Morganite over it because of that, but I'm really just going off the cuff. I suppose one of the counter arguments is that after activating one Morganite, the other two become dead draws. But in general, I just liked the draw traps more, even Accumulated Fortune.
    EDIT: Oh yeah, I guess also Morganite can't be Ashed, unlike Traptantalizing.

    • @napoiskafarming669
      @napoiskafarming669 Před měsícem +1

      I'm still playing around with the ratios and yeah it's tough balancing the cards
      I'm down to one traptantalizing so it doesn't brick as often

    • @Atestinal
      @Atestinal Před měsícem

      @@napoiskafarming669 How has the card been performing so far?

  • @Amazonessamy
    @Amazonessamy Před měsícem

    How did you win against Zombieworld? Like usually that deck runs feather duster and 3 twin twister + 2 superpoly.

  • @jonashammerschick8590
    @jonashammerschick8590 Před měsícem

    You gotta love the variety in languages in your cards.
    Dumb question.. can you play anything but english cards in formats over regional? I mean you can tell your opponent what it does.. cause before you showed everyone what soldier dragon does? Nobody knew the card existed. Now pretty much everybody knows I guess but playing 3 copies of "Drachensoldaten" has to throw off your Italian opponent at least a little lol

  • @julianchalo
    @julianchalo Před měsícem +1

    How about a little vlog next locals? :)

  • @BM-kw2tu
    @BM-kw2tu Před měsícem

    I’m surprised it wasn’t a runick variation 😂

  • @charlesr951
    @charlesr951 Před měsícem

    I've seen this on master duel a couple times already. It's actually pretty annoying to play against. It was diamond and I was on Chimera, the first one lasted forever and I ran out of gas.

  • @karambensoussia825
    @karambensoussia825 Před měsícem

    Waiting for the palezoic runick deck.

  • @soulstarved4116
    @soulstarved4116 Před měsícem

    For GY based trap deck, what are your thoughts on Fiend Comedian as like a side deck. Flip a coin either banish your opponent's GY or mill cards equal to the opponent's GY. I feel like both scenarios are good enough to possibly replace needle bug nest, but not sure.

    • @undertaker8187
      @undertaker8187 Před měsícem

      both can be ashed but a needbugnest dont draw out ur opponents ash. needlebug is for first few turns good, fiend only for after opponent setup grave and hes more likely to protect it w a ash then ashing u mill 5

    • @delta3244
      @delta3244 Před měsícem

      It's less consistant, and even once your opponent gets to the point where it's good, there's often one result that helps and one which is mediocre at best. That's not to say it's a bad card, Josh has considered it and iirc played it at least once (I believe that's how he came to the conclusion that there are a fair amount of times where the coin flip matters significantly), but it doesn't work as nicely as it might seem it should. It is a powerful card in exchange for that, hence worth considering, but it isn't an auto-include.

    • @alphashina
      @alphashina Před měsícem

      Sometimes bunish your opponent's GY makes no sense.

  • @alkaiba86
    @alkaiba86 Před měsícem

    From the ways things are looking, why do i have a feeling josh is gonna take Paleozoic to a YCS...

  • @allmightjunior6917
    @allmightjunior6917 Před měsícem +3

    This is not palaeozoic, this is transaction rolleback the deck

    • @bluedemontr-whisperofwind-2296
      @bluedemontr-whisperofwind-2296 Před měsícem

      I mean yeah without rollback this deck is infinitely slower to the point of not being playable, but alongside rollback the paleos really pull their weight

    • @napoiskafarming669
      @napoiskafarming669 Před měsícem

      Girl please

    • @Arcae95
      @Arcae95 Před měsícem

      Palaeozoic has always been a support archetype, hasn’t it?

  • @torakandwolf6786
    @torakandwolf6786 Před měsícem

    2018 zombie combos losing to a YCS champion? Wowwwwww I didn’t see that one coming…😂

  • @xer314
    @xer314 Před měsícem

    youre gonna have ppl at locals side decking 3 royal decrees lol

  • @giuseppepepe4404
    @giuseppepepe4404 Před měsícem

    I dunno,playing this sounds really fun

  • @xkxk7539
    @xkxk7539 Před měsícem

    never understood why rollback doesnt need cost when it clearly states "this effect"

  • @gungnir382
    @gungnir382 Před měsícem +2

    Orcust best Deck :D

  • @Starwars9696
    @Starwars9696 Před měsícem +1

    Joshua Schmidt i have a challenge for you try to get dinomorpia Paleozoic to work

  • @detective_0267
    @detective_0267 Před měsícem

    Omg I love.......Paleozoic ?? O,o

  • @semicedevine6918
    @semicedevine6918 Před měsícem

    Paleozoic vs Lab is very thematic ah yes trap vs trap deck

  • @FrugalFrugalFrugal
    @FrugalFrugalFrugal Před měsícem

    🎉

  • @peppo_TCG
    @peppo_TCG Před měsícem

    Rollback copy any virus card, it's not good? For example, use Deck Devastation Vírus against Snake-Eye decks to Destroy all Hand traps and LV 1 Monsters.

  • @giabaongohoang6573
    @giabaongohoang6573 Před měsícem

    57 cards feel so weird

  • @kuma9239
    @kuma9239 Před měsícem

    This deck is so funny, man. Konami, please give paleos some support 🙏

  • @d.ego95
    @d.ego95 Před měsícem

    Why don’t you try frozen soul?

  • @TheRiddle11
    @TheRiddle11 Před měsícem

    Why Elemental Burst instead of "witch's sricke?" They are the same eff or what? Why u put in deck the brick instead of witch stricke? Im not understandig this rule

  • @trocksock
    @trocksock Před měsícem

    Hey josh, are you interest to play this deck in remote?

  • @victorbrule7712
    @victorbrule7712 Před měsícem

    Also rollback shouldn’t have such a high price, it’s not good in many and only is in a few, on top of that Labrynth is not being played that much

  • @neoangelov7674
    @neoangelov7674 Před měsícem

    is this a 57 main deck paleo deck?

  • @dhanendrra
    @dhanendrra Před měsícem

    have you tried hallowed life barrier instead of threatening roar?

  • @kamenlobster
    @kamenlobster Před měsícem

    Ain't no way brother 💀

  • @ehschargers6510
    @ehschargers6510 Před měsícem

    Ojama paleo next?

  • @Dmtjxa
    @Dmtjxa Před měsícem

    Name of the tournament please

  • @SamiTheCannibal
    @SamiTheCannibal Před měsícem

    Need deck guide pls

  • @jennaeasley2277
    @jennaeasley2277 Před měsícem

    Is it a 57 card deck or am i miscounting something

  • @andrewmuir2648
    @andrewmuir2648 Před měsícem

    Paleozoic best deck!

  • @tobiasrobinson7454
    @tobiasrobinson7454 Před měsícem

    Hand destruction over trap trix? Drop 2 draw 2 not cost

  • @salbaca1104
    @salbaca1104 Před měsícem +4

    Thank you for this video I am a budget player due to being on disability checks but play at a local full of what I call mercenary players or players who are on teams with some who have unlimited budgets at their disposal and honestly I am getting frustrated with these guys playing max rarity snake eye or max rarity tempai and I think snake eye to me is like watching paint dry with other random decks I am on shaddoll invoked not because I want to but because my options are limited I play what I have and use reprints to get more expensive cards for example thrust when I get lucky

    • @zelandmusic
      @zelandmusic Před měsícem

      It can be rough being a rogue player even when it's just because of budget. Realistically at a disadvantage but if there is a way I believe you can find it. I dont mind the deck building challenge, but just taking consistent Ls isnt fun so just test a lot