Understanding Deckbuilding Rules and when to Break them
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0:00 When you don't like a Format
5:14 Rogue Decks are underexplored
8:06 A good Mindset to have
11:21 How to get good at Deckbuilding - Hry
ohh my god thank you
Bro edged so hard to this video he had to type out the finish line 💀
Don’t use gods name in vain Joseph Rothschild!!!!!
@@j2c695 if ur serious, piss off, if not, piss off
This is a necessary discussion, there are so many hidden types of tech and card that we’ve not explored because we’re so locked in to what we already are used to
like lullaby. I played it in my goldpride punk deck in my locals to call fenrir if I know they play one or ash if they don't. they are playing ash and level 3 tuner and lowering their chance to ash me if game goes to grind plus my deck needs level 3 was good. anyways people later realised it's busted in mirrors and card went from 15 cents to 7 dollars in a night lol. pretty sure there is more teh cards liek these people don't realise cuz they play same techs over and over and over
@@zaleww5824I used to play 2 unicorn 1 birth + 3 Fenrirs in GPP to make more consistently baronne and having an extra body for SP, many found it strange and told me to just keep Fenrir in and now look at what many players are doing with many decks, unicorn + birth + Fenrir sometimes
The more important thing is that tech cards change a fair bit from format to format and that “techs” only really come out from people one tricking decks. Like I’m a pretty big fan of VS and my VS deck is a pretty minimal VS package with a million different ways to get into Raizen, including Parallel Exceed to convert immediately into Dempsey and the standard Small World stuff. I’ve also thrown in the Diabelstar package to fetch either another Wanted to have a free body and maintain a dark count, or convert into Jet Synchron to make Savage or Scarlight. But more importantly, a level 1 tuner makes it really easy to make Shenshen either with a Valius that I can just grab back or a couple 4s. Shenshen dumpsters SE and is quite consistent to make, but it’s a format specific thing. You don’t get enough people religiously playing one deck and you won’t see these sorts of developments
Consistent pursuit of greatness no matter the amount of success just shows why this is the only guy you really need to be listening to. Study the best to be the best. Joshua always is as transparent as possible just trying to help the community while remaining humble and grinding when we all know we wouldn’t judge him for taking a break. One of YuGiOh’s greatest players to watch & learn from of all time
Going off of the whole “making a deck your thing”
I’ve been playing Sky Striker pretty much for 4 years straight. I tried to branch out recently into decks like Yubel, Vanquish Soul, and Horus, but I always keep coming back into Sky Striker. So now I’m committing to being THE Sky Striker player in my area (since everyone pretty much recognizes me as that already). I’m now (instead of buying new cards and meta decks) buying the Sky Striker Ultimate Rares and I couldn’t be happier. Love your content Josh keep it up! Watching your videos inspires me to get better with the deck I love and be the best I can be with it. Looking forward to the day you try out Pure Sky Striker!
Huge respect. Same for me, but with Traptrix. Going strong since Sera 🔥
That's like my brother with his Marincess deck. Despite trying out other decks from time to time, that particular deck is his baby, and even has had some really good success with that deck. Or myself with decks like Branded, Dinomorphia, Swordsoul, Cyber Dragons, etc... Yeah I'll try out other decks when I'm bored and wanna try something new, but sometimes I just wanna play something I'm more familiar with. In the end, it really does come down to the pilot of the deck.
I’m a huge graveyard guy in every TCG I play and Unchained and Thunder Dragons was my decks for a long time. Recycling my tools is great because I can get rid of them myself or not lose out too much when my opponent removes things. The only thing I try and avoid is doing degenerate things like locking out my opponent or not letting them play.
and that's how yugioh should be done. make that Deck and take it to the extreme like what i did with Lunalight and stardust dragon
Sky striker sweep
A lot of what Josh was saying here about deckbuilding is stuff that I’ve thought was true, but wasn’t sure if it was correct since I didn’t see many people in my local community following those ideas. It feels nice to know I’m not alone in those sentiments
Me thinking bout 3 salamangreat circles and 1/2 salamangreat meer for in spright as a free summon
Especially when it comes to deciding on 2-ofs of cards. It's easy to say why you're playing 1 or 3-ofs, but 2-ofs require a hyper-specific reason for justification that is still important to know, because it just might be a better option to play a 2-of.
Typical deckbuilding principals would just tell you to play either 1 or 3 and play 2 because it's either semi's or "it's standard"
@@solobugg5087and it's even more complicated when it's above 40 cards.
@@solobugg5087oo
In depth discussion right when i didn’t know what ti watch, you gotta love it
Today i learned about Runick deck building
I feel like another issue with innovating rogue decks is that the staples are simply too much of a barrier. In particular, Nibiru and Droll, things like D.Barrier or anti-spell could prevent the deck from expressing itself, either by stopping it dead in its tracks(when they're played against said deck), or by doing all the heavy lifting instead of the main engine. And that's an issue I have with the game in general: non-engine's just too crazy strong.
Totally agree, that's also the reason why 18 handtraps are popular now
Get good skill issue play cross out
@@j2c695 you're a clown if think that every deck can play tons of handtraps + 3 crossout
Maybe you just don't know how to play very well
@@user-if4rj3hr1j What does that have to do with what he said regarding non-engine being too strong? Even the "good" players agree on this.
Mate, the deck like Snake-eyes in itself are not the problem, rather, that you play P. U. N. K, Snake-eyes, Dangers, AND EVERY OTHER DECK, just to spam special summons in order to land on Barone, Apollousa, IP:M, Borrelload, etc. Basically, we just use a new engine to get the same staples, and the staples are too easy to summon. Lock the extra deck staples to a archtype, and watch the game bloom.
Dude... I'm just watching your comment and turns out Baronne and Savage got chopped... Like there you go hahaha
This is an important video for everyone!
Thank you so much for the video. You’re honestly very inspiring. These days I only play Master Duel, but I’ve been able to be quite successful on the ladder/Duelist Cup because of something you’d said in the past: “You’re going to do better with a deck you’re comfortable with, rather than an objectively powerful deck.” Or something along those lines. So I’ve modernized my favorite deck (Mekk-knights) and it’s been pretty awesome so far. The fun, to me, comes from self expression with different decks and play styles. And going back to old decks to renew their power level has been a breath of fresh air.
This is why my favorite part of MD are the monthly events, more often than not those are a great opportunity to build decks under a different banlist, specially when Maxx "C" is banned for the event, that way there's more space for techs that wouldn't be played otherwise. I have a playset of Ultimate Slayer, for some reason, and it feels nice to have a staple that doesn't get negated every time.
Maxx C Should get limited to 1, this card is hell in Master Duel
@@flamehaze59just ban it, if it gets limited you see it less often but is even more frustrating when it appears.
@flamehaze59 let's be honest - ash, ghost, droll, nib and imperm should all go to 1 or get banned. Effect Veiler should probably go to 1 or 2 as well.
Every deck is playing some or even all of these cards at 3. It's insanely cringe. Handtraps can't be this strong and this generic at the same time.
I did the Duel cup or whatever and that was fun seeing different decks and then I went into climbing rank and it was Snake-Eyes or Labyrinth doing degenerate shit.
@@Variethan I understand droll being a problem, but the rest of these are completely fair, going second in this game is really hard and those make it possible. Plus you don't want people to FTK you, right?
This is great it would be nice to hear more insight’s on deck building and just getting better at the fundamentals of the game I appreciate this thank you!
This might be the single best piece of Yu-Gi-Oh content in the last couple years. So many people need to hear things like this, and understanding how, when. and what ways to deviate from established norms is such a good topic of discussion.
tbh, the reason why i'm not playing that much yugioh right now is because I'm pissed at my local community XD
What happend ?
@@ljaren8515 ah, some drama and the attitude of some players.
@@zariygohonestly dealing with the same issue at mine. I love competitive players but god are Yugioh players some of the most butt hurt salty losers in the entire world. They can win for weeks against you and then lose one game and be immediately pissed.
@@zariygo and I here I thought DB was the way it was cause it was an online sim. Smh
@@juksleo6257 well one of the reason is that they spent too much time on db and mistakes sharking with being strict to the rules
Was on Volcanic Ashened for the last few weeks. They have some neat interactions that go beyond both of them being Pyro. Like Volcanic Emission can do max burn damage off targeting of Veidos on the opponent's side, Ashened have a combo line to Infernal Flame Banshee to bridge the gap. Volcanic Blaze Accelerator can remove Veidos when Ashened Hero isn't present.
You got a list for that?
@@anonmurdoc4606 yeah, this is the rough core of what you'll want for them
For the Ashened half:
x3 Awakening of Veidos
x2-3 Veidos
x2 Ashened for Eternity
x3 Priestess of Ashened
x2-3 Ashened City
x2 Hero of Ashened
x1 King of Ashened
For the Volcanic half:
x2 Volcanic Emperor
x1-2 Volcanic Emission
x1 Volcanic Inferno
x3 Volcanic Trooper
x3 Volcanic Rimfire
x0-3 Volcanic Shell
x2-3 Volcanic Blaze Accelerator
x1 Blaze Accelerator
Extra deck:
x1-2 Infernal Flame Banshee
x1 Hiita the Fire Charmer (link 2)
x1 Dharc the Dark Charmer (link 2)
x1 the rank 8 Fire King Garunix
x1 Knightmare Phoenix
x1 Knightmare Unicorn
x2 Salamangreat Sunlight Wolf
I fill out the rest of my list with Kaijus and don't use hand traps. The whole goal is to break the opponent's board repeatedly with your stuff and Kaijus take care of indestructible cards.
@@anonmurdoc4606 another thing to note: I don't have Bonfires, but they're obviously really good in this. Promethium Princess is another good option for the deck, but I don't have her.
A neat little combo line to bridge Ashened into Volcanics. Ashened City with Priestess, search King. While the opponent has either Veidos or some other big monster, use King to summon another Priestess from deck. From here you can overlay into Infernal Flame Banshee and use her detach effect to search or pitch a pyro (usually pitch Rimfire or Emperor).
I run two Ashened for Eternity due to being searchable and a reliable option to steal Veidos or Kaijus to have a big beat stick.
Conceptually, I like the idea of running Volcanic Doomfire as stealing back Veidos with Ashened for Eternity and summoning Doomfire with Volcanic Emission in the battle phase is hilarious, but I find it typically better to summon the second Emperor to punish the opponent for special summoning or to replace the first Emperor.
With how much I'm already running in the deck I cut, Volcanics Shell, Scattershot, Rocket, and BA Reload as Shell doesn't do as much, Scattershot isn't a level 1, Rocket generally eats a Normal summon, and Reload doesn't see as many targets.
please like my comment, gonna nick your list later, just gonna put my sandal here to sandalmark this comment
I think Tear is a good example of this. When that deck got hit, people just innovated more on their lists instead of abandoning it.
that was a really good video, went over a lot of interesting things and made a lot of points you don't hear often, i'm glad i got this vid recommended.
There is an important difference in how odds work in 40 cards vs 60 cards, though it is slight.
Let's say you play the same ratio of engine to non-engine in each. 24 engine/16 nonengine in 40, 36 engine/24 nonengine in 60.
The odds are the same for the first card, 60% for engine and 40% for non-engine.
If you draw engine, the chances for the second card to also be engine are 23/39 (58.9%) and 35/59 (59.3%)
So you can see that drawing one piece of engine doesn't reduce the chance of opening a second piece of engine by as much in a 60 card deck. As a result, 60 card decks are slightly more prone to having hands with 5 engine or 5 nonengine. You're more likely to open a good mix in 40.
yep definitely agree tho my counter point is just have more starters :) so you can have a higher percent so UK more consistency
60 card decks mean you always open two outs and three engine.
@@perilousloki4712 not only 3 engines but they are all one of s like branded always draw fusion or grass it's just more consistent
I always run 50 which plays fine for me
I recently made a video that covered a decent amount of what Josh said in terms of the deckbuilding things with playing 40 cards and consistency vs stuff like hand traps. Good to see more videos talking about this, because even on my video there were many comments where people just flat out rejected the idea even with the evidence I used, so hopefully with someone like Josh talking about how you should be more open with deckbuilding rules this idea becomes more of a common thing in a community that the supposed deck building rules are very often not correct.
I went to my first regional during snake eye format and had 1 goal, beat a snake eye deck. It was 280-300 person event, 9 rounds of Swiss, I was playing an upgraded red dragon archfiend budget deck and* managed to go 4-4-1
Round 1-4? All snake eyes, I got PLOWED, Then I made a massive come back, and round 9, was snake eyes again, and i WON.
I've never felt more proud of myself. I wanted to go and grind through it with my favorite deck, and I did it, and I had an absolutely great time. Going to a regional was a dream of mine since I was super young.
That is super hype, congrats
@bippzy7283 thank you sm! I'm going to my next in June or July, I've been investing a bit more into a more consistent deck in the form of branded despia, so hopefully I can get even better!
Wow, amazing video! I learned a lot today
In Master Duel anyways, i hopped on snake eyes right away. I wasn't very inspired to learn too many combos. It worked, I did okay, but I wasn't very passionate about the deck. I switched to Red Dragon Archfiend with Resonators and I've been having more fun with that. There have been a handful of games where I spanked Snake Eyes too. It's not always about using the best deck. Sometimes piloting a deck that you know well and have passion and interest to play will get you farther than just using the best deck.
I completely understand I tried labyrinth and felt bored, after 2 weeks I built drytrons ( they are expensive) not only I had fun playing the deck but I also won more games simply for the fact I know every little detail of my deck becoming a master of it while other meta followers only play the deck because its top tier and leave it after ban lists .
Tearlament format made me a much better duelist. Just about every duel presented a learning opportunity, and the skill expression was beyond anything I’ve been able to do since. Hate it if you want, but that format was like hitting drifts the entire time!
I'm running spright purrely because they are two of my favorite archetypes and their synergy works most of the time. I know it's not the best, but it's fun!
Plus an unexpected iblee could bring W's
Ive tried to use this format to find better cards for matchups, experiment on deck size past 40 cards, change handtraps, and have spicy techs. Since you love runick so much I would love to see what your opinion would be on a 60 card fiendsmith magical musketeer runick variant that I've been cooking up. All you need is 2 monsters and you got full combo. The musk trap alone is a perfect counter for snake eyes and other graveyard reliant decks this format. Then it has potential with drawing 5 with runick and musk cards as well as easily getting an unnegatable +4 spell/traps from the link 1 with link into the vrains which also has a recovery it your link is destroyed. Ive had grindy games where you just can't be stopped and high caesar alone is basically a death sentence as well as the lv 9 mid to late game.
23:19 thats my thing - I run so many two offs - if I dont think the card is so core so key that it warrants the chance of opening two (with one then being useless)
happy to hear Josh has let the two offs into his heart ^^ right next to SS Ray ;)
In master duel when swordsoul was at his peak I was playing a 40 card build and was bricking as hell with two off of desires and vessel. So I took one desires and one vessel to put 2 circles but I was not drawing enough non engine so I just put 2 random ht. This made my deck a complete monster, almost always having a playable hand without duplicates
That sounds like confirmation bias. Tenyi Swordsoul was a consistent deck.
Tear all the way - every day - theory crafting how to build tear in the future - testing tear - hugging tear - thinking of kit
Saaame.
How would your Decklist of Tear be, without horus?
@@stonehitter Horus tear is a lot of fun and pretty good (prob best version atm) but for the fun of it I am right now playing with a Mannadium/Visas Tear build - not the best surely but a different style. (LinkingxYugioh)
@@Linkingx2yea nice .
I Just try the pure build and iam Not Sure If i should Play King of the swamp and fenrir or Not.
@@stonehitter id say yes - play both.
But, BEASTking of the swamp for lvl 4 - making Lulu is just good, and it even makes Kalaido easier; I settled with 1 Fenrir and 1 Wraitsoth - they dont fk up your mills too much, nor do they annoy your hands - even tho they are fine there; they are 2 more copies of your "extender" Tear Kash - or it does help with going second at times - terraforming gets better etc. I would not over act and go with 3 fenrir for reasons mentioned + it not being 100% amazing vs Snake Eye...
I wonder what you are playing - Pure meaning horus tear? cause pure pure tear is not making it to 40 cards :(
@@Linkingx2 i play pure tear With the dangers, destiny hero package, shaddol beast and some boardbreaker (superpoly, droplet and Talents). No Horus now because it is Too expensive for me now. But maybe i ' ll cut the boardbreaker for some Other cards like beast King + maybe bystials or just for the copium Chaos hunter.
Never realized how badly I needed to hear this discussion
ive been playing fire king flame swordsman for 2 weeks now and I am having SO much fun. I have my teir 0 meta snake eyes deck on the back burner and can use it. But i am having more fun trying to make the fire king flame swordsman deck work. Each night going to locals and tweaking the deck here and there
I'm trying runik voiceless . I already have branded despia , so I didn't want another branded build . It's been fun. I just got to learn how to play it more
My fav tech atm is siding Youre Finished and Ice Dragon Prison in my VS Deck ... espacially youre finished adds so much pressure and people rarely know the card
I'll be honest this is kind of the reason i love building modern competitive character decks.
It really helps build your skill level. 1 you have a resistant on how you can built the deck. 2 you sometimes need to work with alternative styles. 3. Makes you realize how many flex spots you have for non-engine or if you can put in a supporting engine. 4. It makes you understand timing and how or what is the choke point even if you never seen the deck before. There is 2 parts of the game was working on that it doesn't help with. Which is side deck ratio, like dzeeff video of 5-7 side in really helps. The second which i am still trying to improve this skill, is signs we don't bluff super much in yugioh anymore. But if you notice an awkward search or play it can reavel your opponent hand. Like here a master duel example. If you notice the opponent had the chance to respond to maxx, but didn't means they have ash so you understand not to make an ash negate your combo choke point.
Now an example of how character decks improve deck building. I was working on my Kite deck, so normal galaxy issue not enough starters. What I did i found a support engine with was mythical beast pendulum 3 king, 2 jackal, and 2 Garuda. Which create 3 searcher that is board breaker lv 8 for xyz and give s/t removal. Now a spot where this carry over. I was playing gishki/sinful in master duel. I notice i had a flex spot. So i could of added a second ritual instead of just playing 2 of the new one, but i realize could get more utility out of eldlich. Why beceause i have lots of s/t which creates removal, plus otk with adding 3500 more atk also the rank 10 to 11 line.
If I don't like the way the "best" decks are being run, I'll focus on builds that beat them in ways I'd rather play. Though I do make a point to try to learn how EVERY deck works to have the highest odds against them no matter what I'm trying to do.
"Best" as a deck descriptor is just an opinion based on the few quantifiable qualities in the game(most popular, highest topping rate, most event wins within the current banlist).
One stat a lot of people don't even look at heavily is the win rate coming out of Swiss(before the variance caused by single eliminations begins), that's the point in an event where you're facing not only the largest variety of decks to get a better matchup spread, but the closer to undefeated you are approaching the end of the Pools, the higher likelihood you have of facing the most difficult opponents, testing players and decks alike to the fullest. There's minor exceptions to this like when the Swiss pools have a lower "Best of X" count than the Elimination rounds/Finals, but it still mostly applies.
Very good discussion actually
I've been playing the same deck ever since I got back into Yu-Gi-Oh in 2023
Red Dragon Archfiend resonators.
I go against the meta decks Everytime I go to locals. I may have never gotten first place yet but I still have far more match wins than losses. It's a really fun deck that I feel gets brushed off too much.
It's because resonators have been custom card levels of support due to its popularity.
For me, it's a rough time to experiment because the decks I want to play are still hindered by the ban list unnecessarily.
Pendulums (Kirin and Electrumite)
Dinosaurs (Misc and Diagram)
I'd love to start experimenting with deckbuilding again, but there are just SO MANY cards on the list that shouldnt be there and it makes me not want to experiment.
About a third of the cards banned and limited would not affect the meta if they came off, and the inconsistency of the TCG list release is so frustrating.
I dont mind a Tier 0, as long as I have more options, even if those options are bad.
Since you like pendulum you should consider Endymion, the mythical beast variants are still extremely strong, but you need to learn the lines that don't require electrumite and build it accordingly. For me the main obstacle for Endymion in tcg is that you really need to practice and be fast or you can lose games that are perfectly within your reach because of the current, imho despicable, time rules.
Thank you Josh
joshua, try paleo with diabell trap engine. it helps with consistency & power. also sphere mode for board breaking & EEV for lab matchup
I like that there is a probability calculator for deck building free online, it allows you to see what ratios give you the best chance at seeing the ideal hands at x amount of cards in your deck. Found out that my deck at 41 cards with 15 starters is actually more consistent than 14 starters on 40 cards 🤷♂️
It takes genuinely skill and intelligence to make an rogue deck viable. Especially without the use of staples everyone else uses.
I'm running a simorgh deck and the only cards that can be considered staples in it are raigeki(1), dark hole (1), monster reborn(1), feather duster(1), feather storm (3), anti spell fragrance (1), and swords of revealing light.
Been thinking about adding called by because no skill players like to use ash on everything i do and most of the time use it to early or too late
MD draw is unique tho where its not really random and more or less dependkng on ur matchup and their algorithm fixes the odds at times. Like for 5 games ive played against random decks then the few times against labyrnth gives me red reboot but no monsters. Definitely feel like it curates the hands so each side can be a little fairer. Certain deck combinations but for whatever reason im drawing my only 2 extenders vs the 6 handtraps in like 3 out of 5 games better than when i had 3 of them extenders.
That explanation in the first few minutes is how I’ve always enjoyed the game. I’ve never been able to play the best deck, even going waaaaay back to GOAT. Just played what I could and found stuff that was fun. Here I am still playing 20 odd years later.
Deck building and knowing the format and what to change in and out so that your deck is still consistent and can handle most of what's in the format is key knowledge and the difference between winning and losing and being a great Duelist. I really wanna know how decks in general would be different if say, ash blossom went to 1 instead of it being at 3 in every deck.
I don't know where to ask else. It is a little bit off topic, but what do you think are the most viable Spright versions right now in master duel?
The point about going over 40 when a deck has engine requirements is something I struggle to put into words.
It's what I did for my 50 card cyber dragon spright list that bubbled YCS Sydney last month. I took the standard 40 card melffy spright core and added a small cyber dragon engine that consists of 8 cards total, 7 that are starters/extenders/follow up and 1 card that is an engine requirement, then added 2 mourner to bring the non-engine back up to that 70/30 split and made the deck an even 50.
I didn't explain it well in my deck profile, only basically mentioning that it played like it was a flat 40 card deck despite being 50 cards, but that was the reason why.
I was seeing the spright engine requirements much less often (double cross, smashers, gamma burst, the melffy cards) despite running all of them and was not seeing the cyber dragon engine requirement (revsystem) either, since it is a 1/50 in my list, but I had more than enough starters, extenders and hand traps that the deck felt as though it was still opening the same mix of gas + hand traps as when I was playing the 40 card deck, despite the much higher card count.
The upside for the higher card count was:
- the deck had more follow up options (thanks to cyber dragon cores GY effect).
- significantly better board breaking potential (especially against the main "un-outable" threat people were using, avramax made with IP, thanks to chimeratech megafleet in the extra deck).
- additional 1 card lines that go full combo on their own (allowing cards like starter/beaver to actually be extenders rather than being relied on to get the combo going).
- the "engine requirement" of angler actually became a potential extender when you opened it (since I had in engine ways to discard it from my hand to trigger its effect).
- additional ways to put damage on board/close out games that doesn't rely on getting to gamma burst.
- the benefit of being an "unknown" variant of a deck (so many people that were surprised by the cyber dragon plays/synergy with spright and especially megafleet, that card puts a lot of pressure on opponents since the EMZ is never safe so just by existing it forces so many awkward lines to try and play around it).
The deck performed well, not losing a single match against snake eyes (and a similar list that I played last year where I also bubbled that YCS only dropped 1 match against full power ishizu tear). It's definitely a contender, but since it has "Cyber Dragon" cards in it, most just write it off as some anime/jank/fun deck.
A fellow man of culture I see. I haven’t played since Kash format, but I have a Cyber Dragon Spright list as basically my only legal deck rn. It’s at 40 but has seen many iterations; arguably was at its best as a 43-card Cyber Dragon Bystial Spright combo deck during Tear 0. Runick Cydra was a build I enjoyed a lot as well. Much respect
@@timothyvenske6519 yeah, it was insane during tear 0 format (I miss that version). My list was 45 for that ycs (I added 2 ash because I was expecting a lot of floo and there was a lot so glad I did).
The end boards were so good. Infinity, toad, elf and double cross (and potentially sprind) backed up by a couple of hand traps/bystials and even tear couldn't play through that.
One of my favorite decks was a Dogmaticka/Shaddoll/Albaz deck. It was a lot of fun to play. I hate trying to compete with the meta and I need to go back to just doing my thing which is having fun.
Hey man, do u have a List ? :)
I fell in love with rescue ace since its release in MD .. Now I'm playing snake eyes rescue ace because of the cinergy
I’m someone who stays open to trying different mechanics/strategies. Not just to adapt to the meta, but also to grow as a player.
i've been playing a 54 card crystal beast deck lately and i might cut a few cards, but overall, it's been the most consistent deck i've ever played, since it's the one card combo springans engine version that dreadguy has been cooking. been experimenting also with having only 2 copies of certain non-engine cards
Genuinely enjoy snake-eyes. Loved the deck before PHNI and love it post PHNI :D
I remember during the first year of master duel I played a 44 card Numeron Gren Maju deck. I took a hypogeometric calculator and made sure I had the ratios to see 3 board breakers and 2 starters around 80% of the time. I ended up having an 84% win rate whenever I switched off of it.
Something I’m noticing about running a deck over 40 is that you keep an extra slot open because of the side deck restriction where you specifically need to switch out the equal amount of cards. Also if you have cards that you would consider situational or dead against certain match up than they could be sided out with ease.
I’ve picked up Yubel and goblin bikers early and just biding my time. Both get some support itf and weren’t over priced. Top my locals with both.
Ive changed how i play my decks, with earth machine, ive gone up to 50 cards and sometimes I do draw the out and sometimes i dont. I stopped playing ash blossom in main but instead play ghost belle
I don’t have the possibility to purchase snake eye cards, so I play tested branded chimera to its absolute maximum potential I believe.
Came up with a board breaker list and yesterday managed to get 12th in a 160 people regional, I only lost to a snake eye cuz of my miss play and a dragon link that sent me straight to the moon in 10 minutes. Other than that deck felt very good, even tho I won’t bring it to other big tournaments because I think it can’t sustain 12/13 turns without collapsing at some point
My only complain is that a number of yugioh players, not everybody, are constantly nagging and protesting how they don’t enjoy the format and the game and here we are year after year again. I think its the best game and I’ve tried almost everything also the company always takes correcting moves either with banlists or erratas or master rules to bring more people in.
The fact that we have so many different decks competing is a stand-alone success and that we don’t run a two-year card restriction on the competitive scene is the main reason I play. There are many great values to this game at least 5, yet I only hear about the 5 problems constantly when I should be hearing both
like as for me i am after playing this game for 20+ years i have ebbs and flows where i am really on it and sometimes not so much for example to take the nekroz format many years ago an old friend of mine was retiring from the game during ruler and spellbook format i was gifted an evilswarm core as they wanted me to have a fighting chance and not live on the luck of my gadget otk decks of that era anyways i opted to cause some chaos after german nats of that format that played both lockdown and mistake as perma lock with key beetle also fun fact i played it again during floo's first rise and also prank kids as i had many techs in it to crush the meta fast forward to now for this format and while due to health apps. and the like of being busy i am not as connected as i would like to be to living on disability checks i do the best i can with what i have and right now i am on invoked dogmatika shaddoll and does it work heck no i wish it did but when your locals are full of teams and guys with basically unlimited budgets as let's be honest the age of teams or as i call them mercs have killed this game as konami caters more to them as a whole than to make a balanced game like just my thoughts i think Maxx c would make the game balanced on some level as it would check the sometimes 15-20 min turns some decks have it's like watching paint dry and that's not cool i don't know I'm just an old timer that wants to at least have a fighting chance and while my deck is really nice looking and i enjoy the help of my friends it just sucks that this old timer cant turn them into wins anymore and if i am honest i cant have fun as when i try to do so the fun police is always there to take my fun away
I am currently building a fun Ghosttrick deck And I had quite the fun.
I didn't want to get AA Zeus... tho. It is such a cheap way to just make you deck a bit better. But I wanted to do and try something diffrent. I will see if it is playable or not, when I got all cards together.
This video reminded me I need to cook an anti snakes pendulum deck with Materialization and vaylantz field spells
Also for arguments for 40+ cards (non-grass), if a deck has inherent (semi-)garnets (e.g. in branded fallen of albaz): so increasing number of cards increase variance but by adding extra starter cards such as extra copies of branded in high spirits it would mean decrease probability of drawing garnets and increase probability of drawing extra starters. (and with hyper-consistent decks; you can trade off consistency for extra boardbreaking/interruptions)
(I just watched the video further and see that this is what Josh said later on as well, I thought he was done talking about this subject too early; oops)
"Yugioh players can't read" is evolving!
"Yugioh players can't read" has evolved into "Yugioh players can't listen"!
@@lurrielee2755 Good attempt at a joke, keep practising, maybe some day a joke may land. ;)
@@lmr4403 I summon Ratio the Forbidden One in attack position
Running Traptrix❤because its one of my fav
Exosisters. And I got this lightforce sword labrynth deck lol. ✌🏼
Can I get josh Schmidts take on counter fairy 2024 maybe a runick variant or etc. Just want the kings thoughts
I have been playing Edison for the last year and it was a great descicion
I have a personal rule where I run 2 of for most non engine depending on format with a 2:1 handtrap to breaker ratio. Ex I play ash, imperm, I will play talents as the next non engine for utility. Not for everyone, but I enjoy it.
I've been so criticized for playing 2 of the same handtrap instead of 3! And the reason is exactly what Josh said! I don't want an ash rotting in my hand after using one, I want it to be a an imperm that I can still use
Sometimes when I side I go a little over 40 because as you said, sometimes it's just hard to determine what you can cut when you only have a couple of minutes
06:30 Volcanic Ashened , ashened wipes the board and make them special summons twice as many times couse hero can pop most of the snake eyes monsters as well , they will burn the down by summoning that was one idea I had couse Ashened don't need the normal summon , trooper can be normal summon , volcanic monsters u play 2 rim , 3 trooper and 2 emperor only
personally the main thing that keeps me from playing yugioh is if a archetype or style of deck i want to play can't really be played at the moment just due to banlist reasons or because it's currently countered by certain cards that are commonly played. I actually cooked really hard and actually found a way to keep playing link libromancer without mathmechs, but because the cyberse stuff i had to replace the mathmech engine with is really vulnerable to certain non-engine, (namely cyberse extenders without the main deck xenolocks that prevent you from ritual summoning doombroker later in the turn, like Formud Skipper, are really vulnerable to non-engine, like called by stops formud skipper getting you to Exceed, or Droll just stops your searching which is a death sentence against any deck that needs to ritual summon.) It just sort of gets demoralizing after a while if rogue/budget stuff just feels so crept compared to the super expensive stuff.
Part of this is why i've been playing Digimon more and more because Digimon has great deck diversity and it's on the whole a lot more affordable than Yugioh, where even the best decks are fairly affordable, and you don't neccecarily need to play tier 1s like Numemon or Leviamon to feel like you belong, where in Yugioh right now it feels like unless you have a snake-eye core you shouldn't even show up to locals.
DDD is constantly slept on.. I’d like to see what pak and Joshua and Jesse kotton would come up with other than the go to builds we’re all playing rn with a few personal techs
Gilgamesh is too much of a choke point for the deck to ever be competitive. But Link Vrains and SS Eagle Booster is some good copium
Gilgamesh gets Negated. What's your end board?
@@FortuneKOF you make you xyz on top of it, do you not know DDD’s? Also you just don’t go the Gilgamesh route you don’t have to lock yourself into DDD’s people forget they deck was good before that card came out. There are a ton of links that have never been tested such as Mukcracker etc and the new fiend field spell searches your Kepler so mark my words you boys will be seeing them around again as a decent rouge strat.
I been building a synchro DDD with new support that is to come at the end of the month. With some free play so far- it’s looking to be very good.
@@nickmccauley8009 Ouu the spice I’m intrigued! What comes out at the end of the month?
Nice video
I've played lightsworns of many variations for years with okay success, then I've been on subterrors foe more years trying to get over the edge. I've never gotten a top yet, bubbled a couple events but haven't made the cut. I don't like to play max tier meta because of how easy it gets wrecked by a ban list. Looks like i need to find something new
X3:
Starters
Ash, Nibiru, Imperm, Veiler if you can fit in 3 of each
Super Poly, Pot of Prosperity if they're good in your deck
x2
Called By
Thrust, Lightning Storm going second
Starters reliant on other cards in hand
Droll, DShifter, Pot of Desires, Pot of Extravagance if they don't hose your own deck
the 3x handtraps if you can't fit in 3 of each
x1
Garnets
Searchable tech cards
Talent, or 2x instead w/o Thrust if you can make room
Crossout if you are an assertive deck
Reborn, Foolish if they're good in your deck
HFD, Raigeki going second
I think you can do everything in your deckbuilding as long as you know what your reasoning is. Like it doens't matter if the reasoning turned out to be a good or a bad idea, in the end, you should know why you played the cards in your deck
Right now im playing icejade, but i really suck and im trying to try to make it work as best as possible, at the moment it's pure. but I think I have to hybridize it with something
I'd love to see you build and pilot a cyber dragon deck. Would that be possible?
I play only Madolche's and I have realized you have to play Over 40 due to the engine requirements. 2 messengelato, Puddingcess, and 4 search targets for messengelato. At 40 cards you're almost guaranteed to open 1 of those, so I go minimum 45 now.
This is true. The only real rule to deck building is that there are no rules. Rules are there for structure and guidance, but since they are a static construct in a game that is always changing, they will inevitably meet a situation where the rules just dont make sense. The best thing I can say for short is that there are hidden variables to consider in every card choice when building. Just maxing out on starters might seem good, until you realize that 6 of them are normal summon. And now you have a problem, where you increase consistency at the cost of tempo. A cards role changes depending on the situation, and this is true in regards to building decks as well. How many copies of something you use can change depending on several different things. High level players also consider their matchups as well.” I want to run three of this starter card, but it dies to impermanence, which everyone is running. If you choose to run something else in place if the third starter, you can potentially weaken your opponent’s hand before even getting into a duel. They have impermanence and none of your starting plays are hindered by it. 40 card rule can change depending on what you are using. If you are using a deck like agents, that has to run at least 3 bricks, its usually better to run more cards, as long as you dont dilute the decks focus and consistency too much. Running 60 cards allowed me to play my engine, with a greatly reduced risk of drawing bricks; however, if there are non searchable cards that you need to make sure you get as consistently as possible, it’s usually better to go for 40, or less if possible (upstart). There is so much to this topic, but the “rules “ change depending on the situation.
That 25 min video felt line a 10 min video, very interessting!
9:09 FEWER (Stannis' voice)
12:14 since I play virtual world (basically a death sentence in master duel or any format with maxx c, yeah I know) and I need lots of resources in the deck I don't play it and I just fit in more engine (unfortunately virtual world has from 6 to 9 spots of non engine and that's what's keeping the deck from being considered very good right now I think)
Daaaaaamn just by title of the video im super hyped. Deck building is a great topic!
I love playing snake eyes on masterduel but unfortunately can’t afford to play it at full power in paper format so I’ve been playing a weird runick stun brew that cost me less than 50 bucks total
I am on the cover! 24:45 good vid :)
7 minutes in is the story of my life, I remember a few events like 2017 nats or 2019 ghent where i've had solid answers to the format but i'm also a sample size of 1 and misplay a lot so was the theory right? No way of knowing
Original concept Paleozoics+ ojamas, Paleojamas. Weakness is their strength, traps are too slow, ojamas don't do anything... Normal summon Ojama Pink ~ Almiraj (ash/droll bait, hand knowledge{discard}). Arias ~ Trap trick~ Marrella~ Rollback~ Marrella/trap trick ~ Rise to full height/PK Vambrace ~Opabina ~ Leanchoilia~ Cambroraster ~ Marrella ~ Ojama Duo ~ Spright Gigantic ~ (blue-jet- double cross {number 29}) and/or Wannabee if maxx c'd(both are lv 2 insects). Holeutea+ Paleozoic+ any lv 2(ojamas/sprights) turn one opabina. Holeutea+ any normal trap(ojama duo {followup}) +any lv 4 ~ Bagooska/Time Thief/Exciton Knight~ Zeus. Ojama Blue ~ Ojamassimilation/Ojama Pajama ~ ABC. Just a few line examples
Ich schreibe es wieder auf Österreichisch sorry im vorraus . Aber würde sagen das so was ähnliches wie bei Duell links auf handtrap bezogen wo du wenn die Karte auf 2 ist du nur 2 von der Kategorie nehmen kannst aber halt bisschen mehr überdacht so dass wir einfach eine Obergrenze haben und ich würde sagen das wir bei Game 2-3 Karten nicht nutzen dürfen bzw Runde eins . Zbsp wenn Mann sein Board gebaut hat Mann nicht noch ein flatgate spielen darf das der was danach spielt keine Möglichkeit zum spielen hat . Habe das jetzt schnell beim spazieren gehen mit meinem Hund überlegt bevor ich das Video geschaut habe . Also kann sein das diese Idee schon genannt wurde bzw es mehr überdacht gehört . So zu sagen ein Gedanken Ansatz .
Danke Joshua für deine Videos haben mich mein letztes lokal gewinnen lassen und bin der Meinung dass ich mir sehr viel von deinem mindgame angeschaut habe . Danke danke nochmal
I’m only playing with a custom deck that I built from scratch. And I kick ass with it.
The only decks that I struggle against is Snake Eyes, Labyrinth, and Albaz…
Especially if my opponent gets a strong hand which they often do 😤
I like the MD Maxx C thing. My deck there really doesn't care if I am first and have a Maxx C in hand. Or, he breaks my board through and I drop Maxx C. My only concern for this card is to stop it eccencialy. Needed 1 spot and I removed 1 copy, the deck didn't felt any different, the card I added greatly helped going second. Overall, baby steps.
I agree with Ash blossom though and of course Impermanence 😊
I play 2 ash 2 veiler and 2 maxx c in my rescue ace with 1 nib 1 crossout 2 called by and 1 impermanence. Would run 2 but dont have the UR dust. Also thought about running the belle card similar the ash blossom.
Running a ridiculous 46 card crystal beast deck with zero hand traps and only a lone copy of pankratops and talents for board breakers. Hyper offensive, but can pivot to heavy defense very quickly.
My thing used to be Dark Paladin OTK, now days it’s Buster Blader. That’s the extent of my evolution… ok I evolved from branded to branded and bystials 😂😂😂. Still just fusion turbo. I’m a man of simple tastes and watching almost any deck bending the knee to The Swordsman when they are locked down is just funny.
I really want Yubel support in MD.
I'm currently trying out Yubel Chimera. Is it the strongest version of Chimera? No. Is it more interesting? Yes
This format has increased my deck building abilities by leagues XD last format I was just playing other people’s lists and never experimenting with my decks
I just can’t believe how quick your attitude changed in like a month and a half. Went from “I’m so excited for this format” to “I’m bored”.
that’s mainly because of how Snake Eyes decks turned out, I think their disruptions and grindy nature looked promising but the “throwing handtraps at each other” part of the format just isn’t it for me. I quite enjoyed the boardbreaker version I brought to Regionals, but sadly that isn’t optimal
@@JoshuaSchmidtYGOyeah I get what you're saying. Especially grating is the lack of experimentation. There are so many decks that you use SE cards or Sinful Spoils engines in that would be very fun and still powerful enough to compete, but most people playing these cards are just copying what the top players have been doing. Nothing against them doing that, but it is boring.
I'm enjoying his format. Now that I've finally realized just how unnecessary handtraps are in my decks and how easily they can just gas through everything the opponent throws at them, I'm consistently shredding locals.
3 shifter. 3 dimensional Fissure , 3 macro cosmos. 3 Ash. That's what I have y my suship deck. Allows me to use them and keep playing 😅
Another reason why Master Duel has become such a tiresome format for me is that Maxx C being so powerful makes me feel like running any deck over 40, thus lowering my chance to see it in the opening 5, just always feels suboptimal.
And even if you're not playing it, going over 40 lowers your chance to open a counter so its doubly awful
@@ttvCarnit depends. usually if youre running a 60 card deck, you will usually be playing 2 gamma, 3 ash, 3 maxx c, 2 called by, 1 crossout (8/60 cards in your deck counter it)
but it sucks how maxx c is needed to play against a deck that puts out 4x apollousa, baronne, and savage with a counter trap and 2 other backrow while having 5 more cards in their hand for an otk. maxx c shouldnt be an excuse to "keep the combo decks in check" if they are just gonna msxx c you on your turn with a full board
@@Virulence-xb2rvmaxx c is bricky that is naegated 90% od the time it sucjs that i ahve to pkay ash and whatnot to country it(don't play it myself)
@@SupaSneech I wouldn't think this was a joke if the grammar wasn't terrible
I don't think Maxx C is the problem my friend