Save The Manuals! BMW M3 vs Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing

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  • čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
  • “Where did all the manuals go?” asks Jethro Bovingdon as he drags his poor, withered left leg behind him. Because the rise of the EV and the proliferation of the auto has seen manuals all but disappear from UK shores. America, on the other hand, is positively rolling in them. Weird.
    So we grabbed two of the most-exciting manuals on sale in the US that we don’t get back in Blighty, and set about proving once and for all that manual beats auto. To do this we required several things: Jack in a competitive car with an auto-box (OK, we might have fiddled this bit), an empty race track, and some skids. Lots of skids.
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    01:24 Manual vs Auto
    02:29 Drag Race
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  • @hieuluu2
    @hieuluu2 Před 5 měsíci +86

    In our Multiverse, a Cadillac is offered with a manual and a Corvette only available with an automatic.

  • @post-leftluddite
    @post-leftluddite Před 5 měsíci +74

    If I won the lottery the CT5-V Blackwing would be my daily

    • @BMR_WRLD
      @BMR_WRLD Před 5 měsíci +6

      Get your money up and buy it out right. Or better yet go back to playing Forza and dreaming about it

    • @313soldier313
      @313soldier313 Před 5 měsíci +33

      F this guy above me. Keep dreaming buddy. I have one and it all began as a dream. Keep working hard and make it come true.

    • @EliteOnTheBeat
      @EliteOnTheBeat Před 5 měsíci +9

      @@313soldier313 THATS right homie! The youtube community needs more positive users like YOU!! 👏🔥👏🔥Instead of trolls with broke mindsets and probably broke bank accounts like the guy above you. 🤣
      BTW i see soldier in you're name, If you served our country, Thank you for you're service sir. 🙏

    • @313soldier313
      @313soldier313 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@EliteOnTheBeat 🤝 absolutely man. I’m constantly approached by the younger generation who just want a glimpse at their dream cars. If I had someone treat me bad as a kid I would’ve never developed the passion for cars that I have now. It’s all love. Thank you!

    • @Yosh1az
      @Yosh1az Před 20 dny +1

      ​@@313soldier313 yeah, its free to dream and everything starts on dreams

  • @jasong3283
    @jasong3283 Před 5 měsíci +339

    ct4v blackwing woulda been a more fair comparison

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 5 měsíci +15

      They just needed a m3 competition honestly. The new gen BMWs are insane just watch Sam Carlegion m3 vs ct4 blackwing. Ct5 blackwing runs a 11.7 quarter mile which is terrible. Bmw m3 xdrive runs a 11.0 quarter mile and 2.8 sec 0-60 (via Sam Car Legion video camaro zl1 vs m3 vs alfa rameo) That was on a non drag strip aswell. End of the day this base model m3 lost by .50th of a second obv the m3 comp would win on the track and a straight. Caddy sounds great though fun car forsure!

    • @post-leftluddite
      @post-leftluddite Před 5 měsíci +115

      @@user-my4xu4gf1z Hagerty did a video on the CT5-V Blackwing and raced it against the M5 CS, and the Blackwing BEAT IT around the track....so don't even try

    • @fikes73
      @fikes73 Před 5 měsíci +2

      I prefer that car over both of these

    • @philipparana9225
      @philipparana9225 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Ct4v B can be had mid 60s
      Off the lot. Ct5v B is nice just not in anywat worth double.

    • @kirkrobinson4893
      @kirkrobinson4893 Před 5 měsíci +7

      Ct4-V still spank it

  • @TheMichaelBeck
    @TheMichaelBeck Před 5 měsíci +38

    Best anti-theft device, a manual transmission. Cheers from America!

  • @patrickdgarez86
    @patrickdgarez86 Před 5 měsíci +56

    As a yank, it has become a true pleasure to finally enjoy British and Euro videos featuring our cars as genuine competitors. Gone are the days of "yes but it will cry when it sees a corner" jokes. Our roads require extra "plushness", so the extra weight is understandable. Our fuel, thank f### is so much cheaper than what is paid across the pond, so a fat, heavier and lazier, V8 is possible. Never in a million years did I think I would see the day when American sports sedans would have more manual options than found in Europe. Very much enjoying your shenanigans on this side of the divide. Hats off.

    • @corystansbury
      @corystansbury Před 5 měsíci +5

      Based on other BMW engine weights I've seen...I wouldn't be shocked if the B58 and LT4 are pretty close in weight, especially if the whole intake, cooling, and exhaust systems were laid out. The BMW 6s are sizable, especially the newer valvetronic engines. Only B58 weight I can find appears to be some incomplete definition (short or long block) with no details.

    • @fasteddie2gogg
      @fasteddie2gogg Před 5 měsíci +1

      So true

    • @melondoc
      @melondoc Před 5 měsíci +3

      I found the fact that it got soundly "beaten" by a base M3 in this review pretty savage considering the 5BW's advantages in power and braking, MRC/PTM and the fact it was built and benchmarked to compete with M5 CS. The impression I took away is that it drives a bit like a European would expect an American car to drive on track - think Hellcat or a Challenger - i.e. boaty, difficult to control, bad handling. I can only assume Jethro was having an off day, doesn't much care for the blackwing, or most of the other reviews I've seen/read about it are wrong.

    • @BrHH772
      @BrHH772 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Did you see LS/LT based family irl? They're tiny, like literally tiny. Especially compared to giant wall of a straight six in BMW, with 1/3 of the car length.
      And check the weight as well. You'd surprised.
      No need to comment on lazier, you clearly have no idea how lazy turbo crap feels on the track compared to n/a V8.

    • @BrHH772
      @BrHH772 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@melondoc it's the only review with such a weird result, and they made it clear that no proper track test methodologies were used.
      5BW will destroy any bmw in existense on a racetrack (kinda obvious), short of m4 csl.

  • @CACressida
    @CACressida Před 4 měsíci +22

    As a GM hater, I'll gladly take that caddy. Gorgeous car.

    • @ShariaLawAllDay
      @ShariaLawAllDay Před 3 měsíci

      You must be a Fix Or Repair Daily lover. Damn that garbage. GM takes a big dump on the Blue Oval.

    • @CACressida
      @CACressida Před 3 měsíci +1

      @@ShariaLawAllDay considering my TOYOTA FJ is in my profile pic, NO I don't own Ford products.

    • @ShariaLawAllDay
      @ShariaLawAllDay Před 3 měsíci

      @@CACressida Oh crap my bad. Should have seen it. And should have paid attention you're a Cressida fan. That's the best sedan ever made by Toyota I gotta admit.

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 Před měsícem

      @@ShariaLawAllDay .....how about a heavily turbo'd 1JZ in a SC300??? yeah.

  • @simonmorty8344
    @simonmorty8344 Před 5 měsíci +24

    Great to have Jethro on TG! Great summary at the end and it takes a real driver to be able to drift well in a manual car. Just need to get Harris on board, as i really think Jethro, Harris and Jack would work great together and bring a much needed revamp to TG that has been missijg for a long time!

  • @wilmara24
    @wilmara24 Před 5 měsíci +22

    I find it hilarious that they mention price differences when it not in favor of euro. They always compare a 50k American sports car to a 150k euro car and act surprised that the interior isn’t as nice or it doesn’t have whatever new gadgets.

    • @hertzwave8001
      @hertzwave8001 Před 5 měsíci +4

      trying to import said american car bumps up the price to something like 120k, still not really a fair comparison whenever it happens though yes

    • @ChadGyabin
      @ChadGyabin Před 5 měsíci +3

      M3 not 150K

    • @hassyg4083
      @hassyg4083 Před 5 měsíci +1

      German brands make good interior but rest of the car falls apart certainly aint no Toyota for quality

    • @derbigpr500
      @derbigpr500 Před 5 měsíci

      They cost about the same. A Cadillac in Europe would be more expensive.

    • @derbigpr500
      @derbigpr500 Před 5 měsíci

      @@hassyg4083 Really? Which part of a German car falls apart? It's hilarious how your opinion is the exact opposite of the facts. Germans make by far the most durable car that take abuse others can't .Track them and you'll see why. Toyots? They are the ones that fall apart and can't handle any abuse.

  • @malcolmar
    @malcolmar Před 5 měsíci +24

    Well done and well said! BTW Jethro, that was some mighty fine driving. The Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing is someting special. It will be missed when it is gone :(

  • @antonakis79ohyes
    @antonakis79ohyes Před 5 měsíci +46

    Jethro is my favourite presenter, by far. Thanks, TG!

  • @yatishsharma8632
    @yatishsharma8632 Před 5 měsíci +33

    Why no Chris Harris for this long..☹️

    • @Odinthegiantdog
      @Odinthegiantdog Před 5 měsíci +7

      Without him this is dead so boring

    • @lukepodolski8818
      @lukepodolski8818 Před 5 měsíci

      Big boss is enjoying his holiday time off..lol😂

    • @minibus1351
      @minibus1351 Před 5 měsíci +6

      He quit, btw. He announced it I believe.

    • @kylepasta
      @kylepasta Před 5 měsíci

      Because the world doesn't revolve around him

  • @rafaminus5366
    @rafaminus5366 Před 5 měsíci +14

    I love Bmw but that Cady is impressive 🎉🎉🎉

  • @gettcouped
    @gettcouped Před 5 měsíci +14

    It really is amazing that the best super sedan of all time is a Caddy. 😮

  • @vision2002
    @vision2002 Před 5 měsíci +28

    Obviously the CT4 is the competition for the M3....

    • @Kamran1025
      @Kamran1025 Před 5 měsíci +8

      In which the M3 would crush it in anything

    • @castroalves8843
      @castroalves8843 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@Kamran1025 preconceptions...

    • @post-leftluddite
      @post-leftluddite Před 5 měsíci +14

      The CT4-V Blackwing is $16,000 cheaper than an M3, so would it really be the competition? Price is what determines what two items compete...oh, and Hagerty did a video on the CT5-V Blackwing and put it up against the M5 CS and the blackwing beat it around the track, so just to stop this little "argument" now

    • @MrSuperflydude
      @MrSuperflydude Před 5 měsíci

      The ct4 is almost 20k less expensive than an m3...

    • @BrHH772
      @BrHH772 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@Kamran1025 1 sec on a 3 minute race course is not exactly "crushing" considering huge power difference in favor of M3 (real power difference, m3 is hugely underestimated).
      On the straight line yes, bmw is the king. Eurocars are consistently faster in a straight lines and slower in the corners for the past 10+ years.

  • @marcasswellbmd6922
    @marcasswellbmd6922 Před 2 měsíci +1

    Weight is everything.. My buddy has a Beautiful older FoxBody LX 5.0 and it weigh's like 2750 LB's and probably makes 275 to the wheel's. My 17 S550 GT weigh's 3750lb's makes a solid 400 to the street and he is just about as fast as me in first second and 3rd he's right there with me.. It's not till I get to 5000 RPM in 3rd that I start to drag him.. But I am always blown away at the way he has that older car moving and but moreover how Great his 1990 LX 5.0 handles out on the street.. He has a ton of aftermarket parts in her and I swear it feels like it can handle just like the new cars do without all the sensors and ECU Tech.. He even took out the back drum brakes for the rotor conversion kit..

  • @Turbo329
    @Turbo329 Před 5 měsíci +11

    CT5V is faster around the track but the M3 is the better track car. :D haha ok. Got it!

    • @kylelee8685
      @kylelee8685 Před měsícem

      Yep bunch of bias euro f##

    • @bionicanimatronicfox5959
      @bionicanimatronicfox5959 Před měsícem +2

      It’s quite remarkable that the CT5-V Blackwing outperforms the M5 CS on the track. This really highlights the disparity in Top Gear’s reviews of American cars, often labeling them as ‘heavy’ and favoring the M3 as a superior track car - a view not commonly shared by other automotive channels. Moreover, it’s surprising that they overlook the exceptional transmission and chassis tuning of the Blackwing, which usually receives high praise elsewhere

  • @ALMX5DP
    @ALMX5DP Před 5 měsíci +4

    Gotta say, Maverick cornered pretty flat around there. That Tremor model looks like a pretty cool choice for a track safety truck. :P

  • @gettcouped
    @gettcouped Před 5 měsíci +10

    I love how you showed the failed attempts. Really shows how difficult sliding is! Fun Fun time

    • @ssnerd583
      @ssnerd583 Před měsícem

      'drifting' is a joke on everybody but the tire manufacturers.....a BAD joke

  • @RichardJones-kx6mb
    @RichardJones-kx6mb Před 5 měsíci +21

    Thanks for remembering why we like cars. It’s not all about speed. For miles per smiles, nothing beats a manual. Most of us aren’t going to track our cars. We are going to get those bits of road where we can run through a few gears and take a long while for our smiles to fade.

    • @LawnMower-jv8hg
      @LawnMower-jv8hg Před 5 měsíci +5

      Well said. Unfortunately, less and less people are becoming interested in automotive culture. People praise electric vehicles just for the pure torque and speed it offers, but that's all it has. You step on the pedal and go. No sound, no manual, no fun.

    • @hassyg4083
      @hassyg4083 Před 5 měsíci +4

      in reality people have to drive through traffic where the manual sucks

    • @jijokoshyksjijo3989
      @jijokoshyksjijo3989 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@hassyg4083 Those people can have EVs😊

    • @hassyg4083
      @hassyg4083 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@jijokoshyksjijo3989 everyone will have EV soon

    • @jijokoshyksjijo3989
      @jijokoshyksjijo3989 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@hassyg4083 no thanks. ❤️

  • @mumbachabwe8881
    @mumbachabwe8881 Před 5 měsíci +51

    Indeed, we need to save the manual, it's by far the best transmission system ever!!!!

    • @VinceCannavaII
      @VinceCannavaII Před 5 měsíci +16

      As humanity struggles to use the blinker reliably, and would rather be surfing their phones while driving instead of driving, I'm concerned that in the name of "safety" humans won't be allowed to drive within a generation, let alone experience the joy of a manual transmission on the road...

    • @lucwijngaard8413
      @lucwijngaard8413 Před 5 měsíci +6

      ​@@VinceCannavaIIgood point, I think a manual forces you to adopt a more active driving style. So maybe people will pay more attention to the road and less to their phones when driving a manual!

    • @unowen-nh9ov
      @unowen-nh9ov Před 5 měsíci +1

      Not according to F1, Ferrari or BMW.

    • @hassyg4083
      @hassyg4083 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Tesla is the future

    • @waterbnb7204
      @waterbnb7204 Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@hassyg4083future of driving attitude failure

  • @wesleywalls7582
    @wesleywalls7582 Před 5 měsíci

    I haven’t yet watched this and I’m super pumped.

  • @michaelallen2501
    @michaelallen2501 Před 5 měsíci +5

    Dual clutch is great for setting fast and consistent lap times. I don't do that. I drive to work and around some back roads for fun. And in those 2 environments, the manual is king. I dont need a coffee cup light on the dash and cameras watching my eyes to keep me engaged to the car and the traffic around me. I have a job to do. And on the back roads I get a real connection to the car. An analog and symbiotic relationship. Like a fine watch with a soul inside, running the show.

  • @philippebeinaerts
    @philippebeinaerts Před 5 měsíci

    Brilliant work!

  • @stimproid
    @stimproid Před 5 měsíci +9

    You get the manual back when you can say "H" properly.

  • @thomasjrinnus9935
    @thomasjrinnus9935 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Fun fact: the Maverick Tremor shares the awd system with the Focus RS. So a bit of software tweaking.....

  • @orbeengaapine2740
    @orbeengaapine2740 Před měsícem

    This is a holy grail among manual transmission sedans especially at a crucial time like this when the glory days of the car industry are slipping behind us...and to this think this gem would come out from America. Thankful.

  • @smohan123
    @smohan123 Před 5 měsíci +9

    He almost stalled the caddy off the line in the drag race loooooooool

  • @1stGenStunter
    @1stGenStunter Před 5 měsíci +10

    The pain was obvious when you had to praise the Cadillac. It felt sooo heavy through the corners and underpowered on the straight but it lapped faster. Then you couldn't even control the non-comp M3 but the BIG 'OL Cadi had you grinning like a Ches cat during the drifts

    • @fzr1000981
      @fzr1000981 Před 3 měsíci

      Underpowered? 570 vs 505 rwhp on a dyno (actually 505 is the comp)

  • @MrPetertad
    @MrPetertad Před 4 měsíci +2

    Manual gear box is the best!

  • @billshoe22191
    @billshoe22191 Před 5 měsíci +1

    This was hilarious fun. Loved it!

  • @robl2547
    @robl2547 Před 2 měsíci

    Great Video... to bad you did not have a CT4V Blackwing to add to the mix... very curious to see how the the CT4-BW would have made out. Can you do that again?

  • @the_track_enthusiast
    @the_track_enthusiast Před 5 měsíci +5

    Why would you not use the CT4V? This is like comparing an M5 to an M4

  • @hoonaticbloggs5402
    @hoonaticbloggs5402 Před 5 měsíci +5

    That third pedal is essential.

  • @mobinmobaseri
    @mobinmobaseri Před měsícem

    I love that Cady. It is a satisfying sensation that you cannot replicate with anything else. God bless American muscle cars!

  • @dieseldan420ca
    @dieseldan420ca Před 3 měsíci

    5:40 You can option the M Carbon Bucket Seats and M Carbon Ceramic Brakes on the base non-competition package model with the manual.🎓

  • @lovelehstuff
    @lovelehstuff Před 5 měsíci +6

    Jethro on top gear, i can rest now 😭

  • @MichaelNiteRealEstate
    @MichaelNiteRealEstate Před 5 měsíci

    What track is this?! Looks like they are still constructing the garage pits

  • @moretapster
    @moretapster Před 5 měsíci

    That intro? Brave 🤣🤣🤣

  • @DanielS2376
    @DanielS2376 Před 3 měsíci

    What year is the blackwing?

  • @1SaG
    @1SaG Před 5 měsíci +3

    There are certain types of cars where an auto-box is preferable - an M3 is not that type of car.
    As good as modern double-clutch affairs have become, and as nice as an auto is in city-driving or stop-and-go traffic, they'll never let you feel as involved with the driving as a manual. And that's a general problem with cars, these days, IMO: They've all become way more detached from the sensation of driving. The rise of the modern automatics is one factor here, the switch to electric power-steering is another. Just like with the autos, it doesn't matter how good electric power-steering has become, it'll never let you feel the car like a hydraulic system. The best option in this regard would be a car with *no* assisted steering and a properly sorted steering/front axle - like a Lotus Elise/Exige. The difference in feel between unaided and electric is about a large as the difference between sex with or without a condom.

  • @MrLense
    @MrLense Před 5 měsíci +3

    Yeah this is weird, the Americans also get a Manual Golf R Mk8 and we don't in the UK. I hope anyone buying the new M2's please get a manual box so us car guys can afford one in a few years.

    • @joetz1
      @joetz1 Před 5 měsíci +1

      It’s all based on supply and demand. The manuals are available in the US because the customers demand it

  • @leukybear
    @leukybear Před 5 měsíci +5

    M3 swinging above and still able to hang above its weightclass

  • @marcasswellbmd6922
    @marcasswellbmd6922 Před 2 měsíci

    The gearing is so much more important than most people realize.. Most PPL are always looking at HP and 0-60 number's.. Granted that's all important But the transmissions have become more important and expensive than some motor's these days. PPL today have no idea just how good they have it when it comes to performance.. Not to sound old but it's true.. In the 70's, 80's, and the 90's even We had to go with manuals to get the power down..

  • @brandodurham
    @brandodurham Před 5 měsíci +17

    The G80 is an absolute drift machine. It’s like a racing quad in terms of ease and predictability while sliding about at any speed

  • @brianrainey2739
    @brianrainey2739 Před 5 měsíci

    Jethro, was this taped before or after your lessons from Travis?

  • @sixmillbaby
    @sixmillbaby Před 5 měsíci +6

    Cute video but shoulda ditched the truck and compared manual M3 and CT4 vs. auto M3 Comp and Auto CT5

    • @justinpino8115
      @justinpino8115 Před 5 měsíci

      Shoulda

    • @EliteOnTheBeat
      @EliteOnTheBeat Před 5 měsíci

      I use to GAP m3's in my bone stock Cadillac ATS 2.0T .... The ATS-V its bigger brother will GAP a M4. Schmitty has done tunes on ATS-V with no mods and turned the car into a 10 second car....There not ONE bmw thats bone stock with only a tune running 10 seconds in the 1/4 so just stop it. And the blackwing....thats a whole another animal.
      But first you need to realize that GM doesn't show the actual power numbers of the V's so they decrease the V's numbers so they can continue to maximize corvette sales. After all who would want to buy a 2 door car when a 4 door car can do the same thing performance wise?!?!
      The blackwing is not only QUICKER but also FASTER than the M5 CS. The M5 CS does 0-60 in 3.3 seconds....
      The blackwing does 0-60 in 3 seconds.... The top speed of the M5 Cs is 190...The top speed of the Blackwing is 200+!! Additionally the BMW ONLY has 627 HP with a TINY 553 LBs of torque. The blackwing however has 668HP and 659 LB of torque. THATS over 100+ more torque BONE STOCK than the M5 CS! LOL. Finally the M5 CS is $60K more.....So just IMAGINE someone dumping 60K in mods into a blackwing thats already QUICKER/FASTER than a BMW M5 CS to begin with. Finally... the Blackwing has a magnetic suspension 4.0 which again is superior to the adaptive m suspension.

    • @sixmillbaby
      @sixmillbaby Před 5 měsíci

      @@EliteOnTheBeat I had a 2015 ATS 2.0 and I’m sorry, the only M3 you’re “ gapping” is an e30, maybe e36 stock. Not only have I owned the caddy, I’ve also owned an e46 m3, F80 M3 and currently a G80 so I’ve got enough M experience and ownership call BS on this claim. Also your comment about the CS is a pretty bold take as well but I won’t go there... Either way, my comment wasn’t intended to criticize the amazing CT5 Blackwing (I’d love one); I was just saying a base manual m3 and manual CT4-V Blackwing vs. their auto big brothers would have made a more interesting auto vs. manual comparison.

  • @esrakavetu2286
    @esrakavetu2286 Před 5 měsíci +1

    In Africa, most cars were manuals, Stick shift but now automatics are taking over, especially with higher-end vehicles.

  • @jamiegoddard1899
    @jamiegoddard1899 Před 5 měsíci +6

    Surely the CT4 Blackwing is a more natural competitor for the M3?

    • @post-leftluddite
      @post-leftluddite Před 5 měsíci +5

      Are you suggesting the M5 would beat the CT5-V Blackwing? Because Hagerty did a video comparing it to the M5 CS and the blackwing won

    • @jamiegoddard1899
      @jamiegoddard1899 Před 5 měsíci +7

      @@post-leftluddite no, I am saying the M5 sized CT5 is a massive over match for the CT4 sized M3. Yes I made the reply complicated on purpose😜

    • @aaronvector4750
      @aaronvector4750 Před 5 měsíci

      Yes, it is, and it would probably be quicker than the CT5 V BW in this 1 lap no warmup battle.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 5 měsíci +1

      Chinese Chezang Circuit is the only real track that these cars have raced and the m3/m4 beat it. The m4 GTS and m4 CSL also where ahead. That small little Hagery 1 minute track proves nothing. I wish Cadillac had the balls to post a nurumbring lap time. They would've by now if it performed better then it direct competitor BMW M cars. Ur the 2nd comment ive seen saying it beat the m5cs u are aware the new gen bmw m3 and m4 are faster and more nimble around the track? The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race.
      CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile
      Bmw m3 xdrive-11.3
      Bmw m3 Cs 11.0
      Bmw m4 xdrive 11.3
      This base model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

    • @derbigpr500
      @derbigpr500 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@post-leftluddite The M5 is a better car. Cadillacs need significant extra power to be as quick. Lap times don't matter in this case, especially the Hagerty one, which is a stupid track with a configuration that proves nothing, and favors power and straight line speed, the M3 is a better drivers car and a better car full stop.

  • @trell1011
    @trell1011 Před 5 měsíci +10

    Why not the CT4 V Blackwing?

    • @post-leftluddite
      @post-leftluddite Před 5 měsíci +6

      Well, here's a surprise, a BMW fan taking it personally....well, just to let you know, Hagerty did a video on the CT5-V Blackwing and raced it against the M5 CS and the blackwing won, so don't even try

    • @Yukon6255
      @Yukon6255 Před 5 měsíci +2

      As someone who's owned an Camaro SS, ATS-V, and CT4-V BW, and now driving a G80 M3, the BMW is by far the better overall package and faster on the track. Not sure what video you were watching but the M3 competing with a car above its class in power and price, this was an absolute win for M3. Maybe stop obsessing about BMW fanboys and just ask one out for dinner you tool.... BTW I love how the driver of the 5BW says he nailed the drift, which was impressive but you drove up on the dirt and and sand blasted that beautiful blue paint, hopefully it's PPF'd...

    • @aaronvector4750
      @aaronvector4750 Před 5 měsíci +3

      @@Yukon6255 no, don't get it wrong, the BMW is easier to drive fast, and hence would be quicker in the hands of an amateur, but the Caddilacs have higher limits. The times were only close because it was a 1 lap no warmup session. If they had a warmup lap then 2 hotlaps, Jethrow would've gotten accustomed to the caddy and it would be seconds ahead of the BMW. The camaro SS 1LE is the fastest car in that segment and often chews on corvettes and even supercars.

    • @gmain1977
      @gmain1977 Před 5 měsíci +1

      ​@@Yukon6255BMWs are boring

    • @trell1011
      @trell1011 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@Yukon6255 BMW had to come out with the competition package because the ATS V was a superior car to the M3 AND M4 of the same year.

  • @melondoc
    @melondoc Před 5 měsíci +4

    Hm... Hagerty had the CT5 Blackwing lap faster than an M5 ... CS ... not saying Jethro's sandbagging but I was quite surprised how close it was to the base M3.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 5 měsíci +3

      Ur the 2nd comment ive seen saying it beat the m5cs u are aware the new gen bmw m3 and m4 are faster and more nimble around the track? The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race.
      CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile 4
      Bmw m3 xdrive-11.0 , 0-60 2.8sec
      Bmw m3 Cs 10.8
      Bmw m4 xdrive 11.0
      This BASE model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

    • @thedumbconspirator4956
      @thedumbconspirator4956 Před 5 měsíci +4

      ​@@user-my4xu4gf1z Hagerty did race the M5 CS, CT5V BW, and the Model S plaid around a "real track" the track is called Willow springs Raceway. It's a shorter track, but it still has its fair share of hard corners and apexes, and straights so as far as I'm concerned it's a "real track" on which the ct5 blackwing fairly beat the M5 CS and lost to the Model S. All three were driven on the same day (same conditions) by the same racing driver, Randy Pobst. So this is as fair of a showdown as it gets.
      As for the "Chezang" circuit, I looked that up and got no results at all. So I'm not sure if you misspelled that for Zhejiang Circuit, but I can't find that track.

    • @thedumbconspirator4956
      @thedumbconspirator4956 Před 5 měsíci

      @@user-my4xu4gf1z The caddy isn't about tenths of a second on track or quarter mile times, it's about fun and driver engagement. If you watch the Hagerty vid to completion that's what they mention about the Blackwing. It's a 668 hp RWD car and on an unprepped track it will suffer.
      If you care about all out performance in a four door package, I'd go for the Model S plaid over any BMW. That was another car that Hagerty reviewed, put 6 bus lengths between it and the BMW M5 CS completing the quarter mile in 9.3 seconds. Even on the Nurburgring it holds the record for the fastest production 4 door vehicle to lap the Nurburgring beating out all of BMW, Mercedes, and Porsches 4 door offerings including M5 CS, GT63, Panamera, taycan, M3, M3 Comp etc.
      My point is electrics like the Tesla plaid win in performance. The caddy is all about manual supercharged RWD V8 fun that BMW or no other European make offers. The turbo 3L 6 and the biturbo V8s maybe fast, but it's characterless and boring...especially compared to the glorious RWD supercharged V8s that power the CT5V Blackwing. Blackwing also looks much better and meaner than the overstyled garbage that BMW seems content with.

    • @thedumbconspirator4956
      @thedumbconspirator4956 Před 5 měsíci +1

      @@user-my4xu4gf1z BMW CSL and CS cars are about as far from comfort at you can get. They're specially designed for track use and their suspensions stiff and their ride is harsh and their seats are far too uncomfortable and grippy. CT5V is a street car that rides a lot comfier and it's suspension is also set up that way and is much smoother and comfortable compared to the CS/CSL stuff.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 5 měsíci

      ​@@thedumbconspirator4956 no one would see a ct5 blackwing and think it looks meaner the a m4 CSL. Type in ritta rides m4 CSL review. 😂 If u add an adro grille,Vorstiener, or CSL grille to the new bmw m3 or m4 it looks aggresive af. Look up adro g82 blue m4 competition. I agree the OG grille makes it ugly but u just gotta add a new grille and its fire. I personally like the adro grille. The caddy looks like a luxury sedan from the front and side. Unless ur behind it u would have no idea its fast. Nothing looks mean about it. It looks like a Cadillac the BMW headlights alone make it look more aggresive then a single light going down the side of the car. Caddy looks like it's crying lol.
      This guy said get a TESLA. LMFAO. I thought we were talking about cars. Nothing about being inside a tesla feels special. U don't get bucket seats,carbon fiber,ventilated seats,HUD,360 cam,sport steering wheel that feels like good quality,etc.. it doesn't feel like a luxury sports car or a luxury car. It's just blah. Real luxury sports cars are an experience to just cruise around in. I'd get the blackwing anyday over that. Nothing about a tesla is headturning. Even the exterior is just as dull and boring. Them shits look like basic traffic.

  • @AntonioCarlos-ii6yw
    @AntonioCarlos-ii6yw Před 5 měsíci +1

    Qual é o nome da cor do BMW?
    Que cor linda!
    What is the name of the BMW color?
    What a beautiful color!

  • @DonLee1980
    @DonLee1980 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Manual gearboxes are probably better for NA and supercharged engines. The act of completely going off-throttle to change gear makes a turbo car lose a lot of steam between shifts, having to lose boost and taking time to get it back up. If both cars were auto, I think the M3 might have set the faster time.

  • @Mgarcia472
    @Mgarcia472 Před 2 měsíci +1

    The problem isn’t the car … it’s definitely the driver

  • @pr33tu_
    @pr33tu_ Před 5 měsíci +1

    I'll steer clear of the Hertz rental thanks

  • @JDSFLA
    @JDSFLA Před 5 měsíci +1

    Such a short track does not provide the room for the Caddy to reach its stride. Try again at Road America, Road Atlanta or Corkscrew heaven at Laguna Seca etc.

  • @DeeperImageAutomotive
    @DeeperImageAutomotive Před 5 měsíci +6

    The CT4-V BW is the competitor to the M4/3. The CT5-V is for the M5. Kind of an unfair comparison to a more nimble and lighter M3 on a really short track. Rigged as always to show the Euro cars not getting whipped.

    • @post-leftluddite
      @post-leftluddite Před 5 měsíci +8

      Ahh, a BMW fanboy taking it personally, how cute....well, then watch Hagerty's video on the CT5-V Blackwing, they put it up against the M5 CS and it BEATS the M5 CS around the track when driven by the SAME professional driver

    • @vladislavdimitrov4646
      @vladislavdimitrov4646 Před 5 měsíci +4

      ​@@post-leftludditeMaybe you take this quite personally by replying the same thing under every comment.

    • @aaronvector4750
      @aaronvector4750 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@post-leftluddite The dude you're replying to is obviously an American car fan. You should try reading the comments before picking unnecessary battles.

    • @user-my4xu4gf1z
      @user-my4xu4gf1z Před 5 měsíci +2

      That Hagerty one min lap means nothing the m5cs lost by milliseconds and smoked it in the dragrace. U realize the m3 and m4 competitions are faster and more nimble around a track then the m5cs... I wish Cadillac had the balls to post a nurumbring lap time. They would've by now if it performed better then it direct competitor BMW M cars. The m5cs is old news the new gen m5 comes out early next year. Keep in mind even the m5cs beat the ct5 black wing by a bus length in the Hargerty Drag race.
      CT5 blackwing- 11.7 quarter mile
      Bmw m3Cxdrive-11.0
      Bmw m3 Cs 10.8
      Bmw m4C xdrive 11.0
      This BASE model m3 lost by half a second and the dude even said the m3 felt better around the track 8:42 I have neither but the BMW is the better car.

    • @Lozie26
      @Lozie26 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@user-my4xu4gf1zwhat does quarter mile time have to do with any of this exactly? 3 Awd cars have a faster 1/4 than a Rwd car!!!?? Water is wet. The viper acr also does an 11.7 1/4 and it would destroy all of them on any track.

  • @stuntdrvr
    @stuntdrvr Před 5 měsíci

    what track is this???

  • @dr_0232
    @dr_0232 Před 5 měsíci

    I love watching jersey plates in all this cars 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥jersey gang

  • @mcmobius1
    @mcmobius1 Před 5 měsíci

    Why the Maverick? Why not a Durango Trackhawk or a Camaro/Mustang with a 10 speed. But these days a manual option is only available for the high end performance trim versions.

  • @Shep-dq6fw
    @Shep-dq6fw Před 3 měsíci

    It would be a better compsitation test with CTS4-V Blackwing because it's a twin-turbo V6 with the same weight.

  • @yiannishayabusaofficial
    @yiannishayabusaofficial Před 5 měsíci

    WOW AWESOME VIDEO SUPERB ! ! ! !

  • @scratchymaster
    @scratchymaster Před 5 měsíci

    Where is this track?

  • @Dennis-du4jh
    @Dennis-du4jh Před 3 měsíci

    Adding similar tires to the Maverick wouldve been a more fair comparison, imo

  • @mentox6592
    @mentox6592 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Reupload?

  • @VinceCannavaII
    @VinceCannavaII Před 5 měsíci

    Interesting to see the Corolla, Jeep & other cars in the background.. did anyone have unscripted fun i wonder?

  • @Rider-hh9it
    @Rider-hh9it Před 25 dny

    That BMW would be great to own until the electronics, sensors, connectors and plastics start to fail, not to mention the inadequate A/C output for those 100F days.

  • @noahgreenberg3054
    @noahgreenberg3054 Před 4 měsíci

    This is cool but my dad tried to buy a new M3 manual and it took a year and half for the dealership to say ehhh ur not gonna get it actually. Wish I could get my hands on one

  • @ELXABER
    @ELXABER Před 5 měsíci +2

    The automotive industry needs to stop taking the driving out of cars.

  • @_que
    @_que Před 5 měsíci

    Have a all manual comparison pls available today

  • @jamesw6899
    @jamesw6899 Před 26 dny

    CT4-V Blackwing? Kind of a no-brainer for this comparison

  • @nomsi4263
    @nomsi4263 Před 5 měsíci +2

    I want that CT5 Black wing so bad. Why can't we have it in tje UK 😢

    • @hoonaticbloggs5402
      @hoonaticbloggs5402 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Import one

    • @nomsi4263
      @nomsi4263 Před 5 měsíci

      @@hoonaticbloggs5402 not that simple. I wouldn't even know where to start. Also, I am not that used to left hand drive.

    • @hoonaticbloggs5402
      @hoonaticbloggs5402 Před 5 měsíci

      @@nomsi4263
      1. Buy one from a dealer in us.
      2. Arrange shipping
      3. Pay import taxes.
      4. Arrange IVA test (if necessary)
      5. Register vehicle.
      People import vehicles from other markets all the time. In fact there are companies that will do it for you if you got the money.
      It’s a nice car for sure but I can’t afford one.

  • @TurboBMRProjectLove
    @TurboBMRProjectLove Před 29 dny

    i'm doing my part - i have a 2020 Subaru STi and a 2024 Mustang GT which both are manuals

  • @amospizzey1
    @amospizzey1 Před 5 měsíci

    What a driver ⚡️⭐️⚡️⭐️⭐️

  • @hamidataei9541
    @hamidataei9541 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Tomorrow in a random indian car channel: Jethro Bovingdon reprisent tata nano vs cycle rickshaw
    Also next day in a random Chinese chanel: Jethro Presents wheelbarrow vs carriage vs Drashke track day group test. 😂

  • @nunoferreira1453
    @nunoferreira1453 Před 4 měsíci

    Only UK doesn’t have manual, I’m from Portugal and we have manual m3.

  • @godfreyngozo2181
    @godfreyngozo2181 Před 5 měsíci

    When is Cadillac setting up shop down in South Africa 😢

  • @kirkrobinson4893
    @kirkrobinson4893 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Ole Tiff Needle would have nailed 1st go 😂

  • @jasonmcelroy1938
    @jasonmcelroy1938 Před 5 měsíci

    Why rerelease this video?

  • @kellybanks3717
    @kellybanks3717 Před 5 měsíci +6

    This illustrates perfectly why manuals are better and it's because they require more of you as a driver. Hitting that 2-3 upshift is easy with knowledge and practice. This also highlights that power sliding is one component of drifting.

  • @raymonds7492
    @raymonds7492 Před 5 měsíci

    Why is every black wing press car neon blue?

  • @royward4495
    @royward4495 Před 3 měsíci

    Nice attempt at spin but an M3 and CT5 are not in same vehicle segment, thus a Whack comparo. Put it up against an M5 Competition or AMG E63s and the outcome will look quite different.
    If I were to win a CT5-V BW, I'd take the financial hit and immediatly sell it. Then I'd purchase a very low mileage 3rd-gen CTS-V.

  • @urim225
    @urim225 Před 4 měsíci

    I would absolutely buy a car with manual everytime IF it wasnt for the traffic jam. That makes you exchange your car right away right there. Just for pure driving i would prefer manual and be slower but with a smile on my face than quicker and with less emotions but just to brag about how fast you were. My dream car is a 911 GT3 Manual.

  • @GODISTHEGREATEST4EVA
    @GODISTHEGREATEST4EVA Před 5 měsíci +17

    With everything going electric yes please save the manual 😢😢

  • @aryaahmadi4029
    @aryaahmadi4029 Před 5 měsíci

    AMEN.

  • @williama-d6
    @williama-d6 Před 5 měsíci

    nice video

  • @United_Wings
    @United_Wings Před 5 měsíci +1

    Wow 😳

  • @user-rv3fb9zt6w
    @user-rv3fb9zt6w Před 3 měsíci

    "I love the no lift shift" proceeds to lift

  • @patrickgranfors3273
    @patrickgranfors3273 Před 5 měsíci

    Two cars I’m very interested in, still couldn’t manage to finish the episode. TG gone wayyyy down

  • @DJT-2024
    @DJT-2024 Před 5 měsíci

    I miss the Stig!

  • @fikes73
    @fikes73 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I rather have the ct4v blackwing with the manual. Titanium connecting rods for crying out loud

  • @ridingdriving
    @ridingdriving Před 5 měsíci

    why is top gear dead when it can make content like this??? wake up, get these characters into the main series

  • @John_Hoover
    @John_Hoover Před 5 měsíci

    Wasting time with the Maverick in a manual transmission sport sedan comparison video…

  • @marcusoctober4856
    @marcusoctober4856 Před 5 měsíci

    Forget manuals, save Top Gear!

    • @aaronvector4750
      @aaronvector4750 Před 5 měsíci

      "Forget the manuals" suddenly everything you say is not credible anymore.

  • @Nicksory
    @Nicksory Před 5 měsíci

    HUH? why not bring an auto version of the 2 main cars? ....

  • @user-ex4rw1uv8b
    @user-ex4rw1uv8b Před 5 měsíci

    内燃机的魅力是电动车永远给不了的❤

  • @hamidataei9541
    @hamidataei9541 Před 5 měsíci +1

    The number of channels that Jethro Bovingdon is in there is just ridiculous....

  • @badouradavids5105
    @badouradavids5105 Před 5 měsíci +1

    well i suppose if u never had toys for boys here in CAPE TOWN WE USED TO DRIVE OUR BMW 535i 530i 528i and now just love our X3 M competition AND X3 M40i and our 2 g80 m3's Xdrives that is how we roll ,from ACHMED EDWARDS

  • @LeeShev
    @LeeShev Před 5 měsíci

    Does this count? I'm disabled. Uk based. My Mercedes AMG line, automatic, is being traded in for a manual new car?? Can't bring myself to say what though 😢

  • @P51
    @P51 Před 5 měsíci

    wasn't Jethro on Top Gear America? surprised he was repurposed

  • @fizzle7
    @fizzle7 Před 5 měsíci

    MAN LIKE JETHRO