The Mavs Have Given Up Too Much To Still Be This MID
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2024
- The Dallas Mavericks looked like one of the NBA's most improved teams after the trade deadline, but that improved play was hiding the ugly truth - Doncic's Mavs have given up way too much over the years to still be this mediocre.
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If you watch the games, its apparent that there is a clear lack of gameplan. They barely run any plays that isnt a Luka pick and roll. The defence has been bad with the lack of effort and the scheme that had them helping off one pass away. As much as the trades that the Mavricks have done are an issue, at this stage it feels like at least a coaching issue and potetnially a top down organisational one.
Exactly
The problem starts with a letter J and ends with an ason Kidd
Dude it's all on coaching trades are perfect
I think it has more to do with the facts that they’ve always been Luka dependent since now drafting him and now that they don’t need to anymore, they dunno how to change their style. Even if Kidd wants to, Luka has to agree to fall back and I’m not sure he wants to bc he benefits from this with all the triple doubles/MVP candidacy
I agree that the Mavs front office has botched some moves like letting Brunson go for nothing. But the problem with building with Luka is that he was too good too quickly. So they didn’t get a chance to bottom out multiple years like OKC did with Shai and get all those top 10 picks. Also, the KP trade was justifiable and would have worked if KP didn’t keep getting hurt and he himself said that he was immature and didn’t want to play his role or give it 100% effort. With Brunson, they should get credit for at least drafting the guy. But yes, some of the margin moves have been outright terrible. And I get the play-in team last two years, but they did go to a WCF and beat a 64 win Suns team. And this year’s team wouldn’t be an 8th seed if they weren’t hit with so many injuries.
true
I think you spoke it all, Brunson wasn’t a sure thing till he was and I think was here when Luka was drafted and y’all were booing it
Spurs brass been watching the Luka Mavs and the LeBron Cavs in his 1st stint's development closely. Victor, if he doesn't get injured, is a surefire candidate for the too good too quick problem and I truly hope they don't make the same mistake there as Luka Mavs and LeBron Cavs.
Also Luka to the Spurs 2026, Wemby + Luka = rings for years to come.
@@TheRealBruceLouis The thing with Spurs is that they have a lot of picks already. They need to hit on a couple or they can just trade them. It's not like the Mavs where they only have their own frp
@@TheRealBruceLouisluka still has yet to have top 10 defense and top 5 shooting team during the first stint lebron
J kidd as a player is an absolute stud
J kidd as a coach is never going to win a championship
Theres no excuse for their defensive shortcomings
Cuban allowing nico to make as many moves possible rn because ownership picture might be a lot different in 2-3 yrs.
Alot of player movement for mavs last few years… just a thought but maybe its the coaching personnel that needs a change ..
Rick carlisle won a championship and decided to leave the mavericks and coach the lottery pacers because luka was uncoachable
The main problem was that Luka was too good so soon. You couldn’t tank and get another top 5 pick because they won too many games. They never got a chance to get multiple lottery picks
Denver is great yet they have one top four pick, Gordon, who they got by trading players they didn’t draft in the top 4. Denver never had a top 5 pick. Dallas ownership, front office and coaches are not good, that’s why Dallas sucks.
We already have kyrie which is alr better on what we can get on a lottery pick. We just need defense and plays outside of luka/kyrie
@@Kingfisher1215 Yet Dallas as an organization literally has more wins than Denver lol.
@crixfal4282 they've stepped their defense up a lot since this video honestly and the offense is starting to finally mesh together really well, I'm excited for the playoffs I think we could make a run
Tbh a lot of their issues around defense would've been solved with one of 2 way defenders like Siakam and OG. A year or two of tanking wouldn't have hurt either.
Even the Brunson situation does not make any sense because if the contract asked was really that low, Dallas could've given him that contract and then flipped him for assets. I personally think it had to do with more with Brunson's agent, Sam Rose of CAA, being the son of Leon Rose, Knick's president and also former power agent of CAA than what was published.
To everyone saying Dallas is planning for next year, I think whole league will know how to beat em by then- let Luka score 70 but don't let anyone else have a point.
As odd as this sounds Mavs need to learn to win without Luka.
They Can, they have done it many of times. There is more ball movement when Luka is not playing therefore more players are able to get their rhythm.
@@SoloLLC That's good to hear soo maybe having Luka take less of a load say cap his minutes to 25 a game.
@@mohamedabdourahman9845 That sounds good until he learns how to play team ball. When Luka plays team ball they also win, he is not consistent which is a BIG issue. Allow Kai to run the PG. Kai gets more Production from the other players because he trust them and know he going to need them the entire game. Kai understands it takes more than him and Luka to win. We need to get Luka on the same page 📃
When Luka can be a net positive on the floor without taking touches from the other 4 then they be great
@@SoloLLC They can, but the stats says they literally lost more games without him, specially crucial games where it comes to being down by 2 to 3 points. Since no one is as clutch as him and can run plays at the most important moments. Sooo.
Also, more ball movement doesn't always equals to win. Lol.
The Mavs players don’t know what to do when Luka sits 😂
The Mavs have Kyrie Irving. A proven star and big game performer. They need a 3rd option that can demand touches because their Luka-centric playstyle is not conducive for anyone else's development. Maybe Josh Green and Derrick Lively will have to be sacrificed
If you think Lively is getting traded you haven't kept up with the Mavericks. He's already one of the best short-roll passers in the league, which is invaluable in a center that plays with Luka. That's without mentioning his wild defensive upside and ability to stretch the floor in high school. If they trade Lively for existing talent, the trade will be in a video like this 3 years later.
@@thekaying I never said I think Derrick Lively is getting traded
@@karimw.9954 Well if you think they're getting a third center to start over DLive that might be worse... what else did you mean with the final sentence?
@@thekaying what I mean is, if the Mavs have a poor showing in the playoffs then they will be desperate to make more additions to their team. And asides from packaging draft picks with THJ, I don't know what assets of value will get them something a substantial...other than Lively and Green. Not to say they will trade those two.
@@karimw.9954 then you kindof did say Lively could be traded... at least the way I meant it. Either way I don't think there's gonna be a better center fit for Luka on the market, especially if Lively keeps advancing his game and filling out his frame.
The Mavs still have Hardy, who's unfortunately gonna be worth more in the vicinity of a Tre Mann than what he would have been this deadline, OMax (a late 2023 first rounder), 2 firsts, a swap, 4 seconds, an expiring THJ, and depending on the needs of the team also Gafford, Green and Exum. All of those go before Lively.
Hope that 2030 unprotected pick swap they gave the Spurs to take Reggie Bullock to facilitate the trade for Grant Williams pays off for the Spurs.
Face it, Cuban treats the fans great, the players great but doesn’t run a great organization. The front office is mediocre. The coaches are mediocre. The decision to not resign Brunson was a mega fail. Houston and Portland have great young players plus ammo to get better. OKC is light years in front of Dallas. Denver developed their team with zero picks in top 4. At least Golden State has a worse future outlook. And the Suns have a two year window before they collapse. Memphis has a better core an a top lottery pick coming this year. The play in is Dallas future for the foreseeable future.
Dallas has a solid squad. The coaching and scheme is terrible.
Also Luka bad movement of the ball 🏀 and not allowing others to get their rhythm
@@SoloLLC thats honestly on the botton of their totem pole of their worries in my opinion. Luka has played euroleague ball since he was 16. The reason he plays this way is because theres only one other real playmaker on the team. Fuck you gonna do let tim run PG?😂
@@11lilreg11 Are you Fucking Kidding Me???? This MF is truly messing up Dallas Team - I don’t give a fuck how many triples etc he gets if we keep getting L(s) - as a Fan if you can’t see this shit I feel sorry for YOU - the Media and game announcer or stating Dallas team plays better when the BALL is MOVING!! Kai can run the point….hell Kai gets more Production from the players than Luka because he Trust them. Nobody is talking THJ being no PG give me a damn break. Luka better wake up because Kai will be leaving next. Kai is too damn good to sitting somewhere waiting on Luka to pass him the ball 🏀
@@11lilreg11 Yeah Everyone but YOU know that Luka is Gaming the NBA System at the Expense of his Teammates. This is why he doesn’t get MVP Votes 🗳️- His Teammates are tired of his BS…Media and Announcers are even saying it in a nice way. Stop 🛑 Looking 👀 at STATS and Look at how the game is played. If Kai or any other Player was doing this same Shit YOU would Lose YOUR DAMN MIND.
True Luka thinks only about himself,stat padder and ball hog.
the 2 players that hold the ball the most play defense the least... they hold the ball so much the confidence other players need by having the ball more (many nba players do play better with more touches the same way they play better with more minutes) to be confident enough to play as efficient as they can falls off. So you get 2 big times confident players and than 10 that could be more efficient. Not saying they won't get better after playing together longer but....
No, this is not it. Except for Exum and Kyrie, the team can't create without Luka. Without Luka, in the last 7 games, the team has like -20 in offensive rating when comparing. All year, it is -10. It is absolutely not for nothing.
When those guys play with Kyrie, he forces them to shoot so they can help him down the stretch…Kai gets more production from these guys because he believes in them and they work hard as hell on defense when they are able to shoot, run and cut….none of this with Luka period. Remember they started the 7 game winning streak w/o Luka. Luka is good he just needs to be true PG….PG(s) don’t take the 1st damn 5 shots of the game.
we're about to see how quickly this video will age.. in about 3 weeks..
Dallas need PERIMETER DEFENDER like Dorian Finney-Smith
The main problem is the outside shooter even it was too open.
Luka-kyrie is good
Less time of Luka handling the ball and more ball movement!!!
agree, but that needs to come with a new coach. Luka's ISO is currently the most statistically efficient play for the Mavs, so with a bad coach, he's actually doing the best he can. I'm more worried if Luka accepts a coach that forces him to move the ball
Maybe they’ll win a ring right before Doncic retires, like in Nowitzki’s case.
Luka holds on to the ball too long
Time and again, the Mavericks have shown no asset discipline. Instead of paying off existing trades and heading into an offseason with a full range of options, they continue to compound on previous moves and thus stall out. Other attempts at trading draft capital to expedite the process around a young player at least waited until their rookie season had been completed before getting aggressive even if they ultimately failed.
Instead of spending Luka's rookie deal accumulating assets, movable contracts, and picks, they've been throwing half-baked attempts out there and it hasn't worked.
I will argue that PHX wasn't stupid, but gunshy in picking Ayton over Luka. Go look at their previous 2 drafts, Josh Jackson, Marquis Chriss, and Dragan Bender. Yikes.
At least the Hawks walked out with Trae Young and a 10th overall, but you can absolutely clown Sacramento for not at least being the team to trade down with Dallas. Even if Bagley still ends up with the Kings, the rookie deal for a fifth overall pick is smaller and the Kings would have added extra draft capital around Fox.
We might think Luka has a long future ahead but the clock is ticking faster than we realize. His championship window won't last forever
Lebron won his first chip at 27 and MJ won his first chip at 27. I’m sure Luka will be fine
@@GoldgotgameBoth of those guys were ELITE defenders at the time and were also the best offensive players in the league. Luka isn’t winning anything in Dallas anytime soon.
@@cybertutorials5609 But Luka is also a better offensive machine than them (even though it is close). They also had better help than he has.
@@toshirohitsugaya857Nah Hell, neither of them ever have taken as many shots as Luka do a game. They also made sacrifices for their team because they wanted a W and Luka really don’t damn care because as long as fans only looks at his #s you forget the L(s) he’s causing with getting his STATS.
😂 you read minds. 😆 @@SoloLLC
This video aged like milk
People that Dallas needs to get rid off.
Their GM
Jkidd
THJ
Powell
you forgot one more thing, stupid casual fans.
The second best player is the rookie . I like pj Washington too.
TODAY IS MAY27, 2024
Mavs in WCF with the Wolves playing for Game 3.
Are they still MEDIOCRE? 😅😅😅
Luka has enough to win, he just has to figure it out. They've got a great second star in Kyrie and a bunch of quality role players. It's up to him as the leader of the team to figure out how to get it done. He sadly doesn't have the coach capable of helping him in that regard.
We good bruh!
Luka the next James Harden
I think Kidd is the problem
Hi theScore.. how are we doing now? Lol
The problem is the coach.
luka takes too many shots. other teammates cant get a consistent rhythm
3 weeks later and this is a horrible take
Tbh i think that luka is the problem. Not because hes bad but because his play style is hard to build a team around
Yeah, notice how much better both Brunson and Porzingis look once they got away from that heliocentric offensive system in Dallas. Luka is a great player, but his playstyle is too similar to Houston Harden. Can’t let the assist numbers fool you into thinking he actually moves the ball enough.
That is so true, that’s all people look 👀 at are the numbers and not how it is affecting the team as a whole. Those players are tired of his shit I can tell you that. This is why the defense is bad, it can be 3 guys open and he will force up a shot. They were lucky to have won last night.
Its not hard to build around a guy like that:
1-get a big who can gets you rebounds and if lucky can protect the glass (Lively/ Gafford)
2-get a 2nd playmaker who is more focused on passing and defence (????)
3-shooters and defenders (Washington, THJ,Kyrie etc)
That’s the 2020 Lakers.
The problem is that teams tend to not care about bigs and would rather get a second scorer than a second passer.
I feel like dejounte murray is perfect for them. Luka can play the 2 and dejounte could be their primary playmaker. Its a better fit than him in Atlanta
@@Jamellii No Kai can play PG, unlike Luka, Kai does distribute the ball 🏀 when running the PG - he even gives up some of his shots trying to get the guys involved. If we could get Luka to be consistent with Distribution- Dallas will be hell on wheels.
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The Mavs suck period. It’s just a Luka show, if you want to watch Luka play that’s it other than that this team is not winning or going anywhere
They need an Elite big man plus better shooters
If ever he gets healthy, the Mavs should trade for Lonzo Ball. Luka plays like Harden and Harden never made a conference finals as the guy before Houston traded for Chris Paul.
Actually harden did make to conference finals once at 2015 with dwight as his co star
Luka "needs to be in a bigger market"...hahahahaha That's what the media always says when they like a player and don't want to dog him out like they do the players they don't like. How about "he needs more help". Or "he has been surrounded by bums". Which one works here??
They would eat Luka Alive in a Bigger Market period. Dallas is the only team that will allow him to ignore his teammates and shoot all the damn time w/o a touch by his teammates….this is why Rick resigned. Rick wasn’t having that shit at all.
Luka to Spurs.. let's start the dynasty
Kyrie
This is a pretty bad video overall... some fair points interspersed with quite a few dumb ones
For one, as is mentioned, most of the FO moves made sense and turned out unlucky. You can't predict Grant picking fights or Porzingis catching the injury bug for the exact seasons he's with you (that also tanked his on-court performance, as he said on Redick's pod).
Secondly, the roster is objectively really well set-up given all the bad luck involved and, with a move for a PoA-defending 3 (Expiring Hardaway, 2 firsts, 4 srps, Green, a swap etc.) and a new coach in the offseason, the Mavs are likely going to have a 3-year or so contending window ahead, which is most of what you can hope for after the Porzingis fiasco. PJ and Gafford have been playing like top-5 players on the team so far, which is worth a first and a swap getting back two 2nd round picks, while _shedding a contract you were given a late first to take on (this is way under appreciated)._ Lively's been electric on the court and might be all-rookie if he wasn't picking up freak injuries - getting punched on the nose, kicked in the knee, literally tackled in Portland... the team health luck has also been atrocious this season.
Thirdly, the small off-season acquisitions have been amazing - from Exum fitting perfectly as the third ball handler and the 3rd best player at times for 2 years, 6 million, DJJ being a legitimate starter for long stretches on a minimum as well as the awesome maneuver on draft night to get an archetypical fit in OMax to develop almost for free.
All-in-all I think the criticism of our FO is pretty unwarranted... all of the moves Nico's made have made sense and either paid off or got objectively unlucky. The only thing I would say is Hardy or THJ should've beed shed at the deadline for assets, but we don't know what was available and what will be there for an expiring 6th man in THJ in the offseason. Their biggest mistake has been and continues to be sticking with mr. wifebeater JKidd.
Say whatever you want, if this team switches coaches, I'm pretty confident you'll be the one eating your words in a couple years.
lol that's what you do if you get a star. You would be making videos saying Mavs haven't gone all in if they hadn't gone all in. The truth is 29 teams lose every season. Live with it.
J Kidd should go
Everybody's blaming kidd's coaching but forgetting Rick carlisle ( a championship coach) was the previous head coach of the luka mavs, and he decided to leave and coach a rebuilding pacers because luka is uncoachable
They will be much better next year. After this team has done thru this year and everyone knows there placements they will be top 4 team in the nba next year.
Yeah and the year tho, and still no championship, Luka leave😂
What you fail to realize is you can’t build a team around Luka period. Luka is in it for himself - Dallas doesn’t have to worry about Luka going nowhere because no one else will tolerate him playing Luka Ball. No one wants to come to Dallas and spend their career in a corner or on the bench. You all are just looking 👀 at his scoring etc not seeing how his scoring is effecting the team as a whole. It’s takes Team Ball 🏀 to win. What PG takes the 1st 5 shots to start a game???? He will never win MVP because the other Candidates can WIN, Play Team Ball and can score just as much without icing out their team. Dallas has a good Team, but those guys are not going to keep running up and down the court and rarely touch the ball 🏀 they are not faucets, they need their rhythm just like Luka needs his…I don’t understand why he hasn’t learned that by now.
The announcers and Barkley on TNT were talking about him not moving the ball and majority of the time there is only one person touching the ball 🏀 and he needs to score less and allow others to help - if Luka don’t have trust in his teammates then WTF is he doing in the NBA - you can’t beat any team by yourself period
Some your take are right and wrong. Just look wtf THJ doing. You think you can trust player right him??
Didn't once mention bad coaching, the biggest reason for the Mavs' lack of success. Atrocious defence is up there too.
this has become a common theme to critique the Mavs for their moves and the exhaustion of draft resources while doing so. But I don't see anyone saying things in the same regard about the Suns or Clippers
Plenty of ppl talk about how the Suns and Clippers have exhausted their resources, but those teams each have three legitimate stars to show for it. Dallas has done all this to end up with either Gafford, Washington, or a rookie being their third-best player
@@JoeCash89 Bradley "always hurt" Beal is a legitimate star? For the Clippers, they have three stars..let's see if they can do more in the playoffs than the Mavs
Luka is a selfish player that's the problem
casual
Selfish as Hell. They were very Lucky to win against Miami, all those bad azzz shots he was taking and not passing the ball to open players…it’s just sickening
A team has never won the title with one man dominating the ball, putting up big stats while teammates stand and wait for the ball. we've seen it plenty of times. Young allen iverson, Westbrook with the thunder, Harden with the rockets. you could say kobe in the mid 2000's before he had some help
@@JJ_5289 Kobe has never dominated the ball
@@makhabzaranamane6869 Around 2005-2007 that was the constant media take around Kobe. That he was a ballhog and didnt consider teammates enough. He did have very mediocre teammates at the time, but that was the constant story.
I feel very sorry for Luka, it’s like the Lebron situation in his first years
yeah but lebron didn't have bruson, kyrie and KP
Luka had porzongis and brunson. Bro never gonna win a chip 😢
It’s Luka not allowing others to Shine with him. He doesn’t know how to share the Spotlight. If Kai wasn’t already established OMG - I swear Luka be keeping up with his and Kai’s scoring #’s
Luka and Brunson were rookies when KP come to Dallas. Infortunately Luka was the best Mavs player, not KP(all star player that time), then it was an ego players issue...Along KP injuries...Brunson was not so good in his first 3 years...
@@arjunadan3812 STOP 🛑 Capping - this is why Luka does what he do period.
All it is, Jason Kidd sucks as a coach #FIREKIDD
This team is built for next year. Integrating PJ and Gaff, knowing their heirarchy from 3 on, giving OMax and Hardy the roles of Timmy and Kleber and having 2 1st rounders to trade to. This will be a way better team next year
Mavs fans say this every year man lmao. Last season when they missed the play-in tournament and tanked, the consensus was that THIS year would be their year since they drafted a lottery pick and had a solid offseason. Now we have to wait ANOTHER year to actually take this team seriously lmao. The 2026 offseason when Luka becomes a free agent will be very interesting…
How do you have Doncic and Kyrie and not be winning 70% of your games ?
powell landed on irving and he missed a month. their defense before the trade was abominable.
Damn funny how the narrative's changed since the Kyrie trade. Saw people call Harrison an idiot for that
Doncic plays ZERO DEFENSE. I despise when people pretend that he isn't super overrated.
You should probably stop watching basketball
You should probably stop watching basketball
Calling Luka overrated is the most idiotic thing I’ve ever seen anyone post
damn bro stick with playing NBA 2k
Luka is so overrated. Never has a player been an 8 seed and gotten mvp talks. Hes played with 3 all stars and has never been successful
Kidd's gotta go.