Homeless to Heavyweight Champ - Teddy Atlas Tells Jack Dempsey Story
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- čas přidán 9. 10. 2019
- Teddy Atlas shares a little boxing history, telling the listeners the story of Jack Dempsey. Dempsey was once a hobo moving across the country hitching rides on trains. He'd later be heavyweight champion of the world from 1919 to 1926.
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Hey guys - Audio file for this episode had some issues - sorry the sound isn't the best.
THE FIGHT with Teddy Atlas , ok Teddy but don’t do it again 👊👊
No problem Teddy, the problem I really had was the fact that you forgot to mention that Dempsey on some occasions wouldn’t be able to eat for two days straight and probably would have to fight fasted in order to just eat. Now that shows what a human can do. Whenever I feel down I think of the old greats and what they had to do to make this world better and a more interesting place. Love your podcast brother keep making good vids 👍
The kids in USA need to know about people like Jack Johnson & Jack Dempsey etc it’s a important part of their nations heritage .
Our country wants to erase the word “man” and
Jack Dempsey was the man
Got to look back I inspired
Teddy bringing the history that the youngsters need to hear! Historical amnesia is s big problem in today’s society and boxing history is one of the most neglected fields! Great job Teddy!
17 years old youngster here!
I'm fan of Marciano,Dempsey,Baer,Tunney,Amstrong,Satterfield...
But I feel like a rare breed
@@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 my advice bro don't just study these guys as people study there techniques, Dempsey had the roll, Marciano had the parry and duck style, Johnny bratton was doing the pull counter in the 50s way before even Ali or Floyd
Good luck to you
@@fredwr thank you for advice.
@@antiteroristickejedinicepo4830 👍
Teddy, don't forget the story that went around Police Gazette magazine back in the early 70's, I believe, when then 74 year-old Dempsey knocked out two teenagers that attempted to mug him.
Jack Dempsey was aged 80+ when he was mugged by 2 youngsters...... he beat the shit out of them!! In his book,he said he felt sorry for them,and how boxing can save young men from crime. Harder than coffin nails.
Which book? Championship Fighting?
Yes pal that is true its in the book a flame of pure fire,
A flame of pure fire by roger kahn,probably the best book on him ul get. My great grandfather was mates with dempsey before he was world champ, he was traveling round on trains. I'm in my forties. Hope u like that book pal
From my hometown Manassa, CO....Jack Dempsey!
ive been thru there.... its still tough stark land. It made me think, the land partly shaped this guy.
Jack dempsey is my favorite...was fighting for his life literally...he then became a cultural icon in the roaring 20s. . .he was a great looking guy also..his haircut was the reason tyson kept the shaved sides and longer on type during his prime. dempsey was a rockstar
As a physical therapist, I would like to add my analysis to Jack Dempsey’s advantage.
Firstly, Jack increased his bone density in his hands, by working as a miner in Colorado. The constant pounding increased his weight of his knuckles, due to Wolfe’s Law, (use it or lose it), thereby adding to the hammer like blows from his fists.
Secondly, as this gentleman displayed the technique of “closed chain” contact, from floor to fist was essentially revolutionary for its time. I believe Bruce Lee recognized this whenever he studied other techniques, such as conventional boxing.
Also, as was mentioned, he had the motivation and drive to climb out of poverty.
The best part of it was that he was a wonderful human being.
Great knowledge, love hearing from Teddy Atlas, thank you.
Great encouraging Story.
I could listen to teddy atlas all day
John J Sullivan.... last bare knuckle champ + first gloved champion. Harder than coffin nails. Thanks Teddy 👍🏻
I hope they do a film on this great boxing legend dempsey also wanna see a movie on the life of Jack Johnson both would be epic 👌🎥
They did a movie on him its in color
@@williehudson4013they don’t like the be called that anymore
Great stuff
Props to Teddy man
Gonna start my own fight show focused on boxing soon. Hopefully people can support the podcast/show once I got it up in running! Gonna drop some money that I’ve saved up into it because I’m at that point where I save up from a job I’m not happy at or put my effort into something I love. Hope to find some support from fans!
Great show teddy and ken! Love you guys
- Corey from BC Canada
Teddy atlas inspires me such a passion for the sweet science.
Teddy always seems ready to square up. With anyone.
How Jack Dempsey managed not to break his hands when he was fighting in bare-knuckle boxing matches? I think those fighting in the BKFC could learn a lot from his fists conditioning.
@Stanley Viggo 02 You can't just ignore breaking your fists no matter how 'tough' you are. He was a tough fella who had a tough early life. Dempsey is an American legend.
@Stanley Viggo 02 I mean like obviously you can fight through it with there being tons of examples of fighters breaking their hands in boxing and still fighting but you can't literally ignore it. Itd be foolish for your career to flat out ignore it. You strike me as someone whos going to not use any facts to prove your point.
You have to remember though, the guys from those eras were trained and preceded by men who had over a century of bareknuckle experience passed to them from the last crop of old school pugilists. So their knowledge of how to protect their hands was better than we realize. That's why fighters in the early days of gloves like Jack Johnson look so awkward to modern boxing eyes, even their basic stance. It's because their stance and techniques were developed for bareknuckle fighting, while fighting with gloves was still relatively new. Unfortunately as a result, many of those techniques are long gone, and modern boxing in their eyes would likely be seen as overly dependent on the gloves for things like hand protection and defense. Ironically if they saw how modern boxers fight they'd probably be just as dumbfounded as some of us are watching film of them.
He actually describes how in his timeless book, Championship Fighting and Aggressive Defense written in 1950.
His punching technique would utilize the three knuckle landing, pinky, ring and middle finger, aiming for the ring knuckle. He would emphasize purity in punching, which meant that the knuckles were facing the same direction as his moving body weight.
Most modern fighters have their punching knuckles slanting away from the direction of their moving body weight. Especially when punching with the first two knuckles, this means breaks are more likely to occur as the forces are met in the hand with little stability behind them structurally.
With the 3 knuckle landing, the knuckles are pointing in the same direction as the arm bone and therefore the stability is secure and the punch is pure. Not only is the 3 knuckles lined up with the target, but the thumb is out of the way and the wrist is aligned so that thumb breaks and wrist twists are less likely.
@@jordanmartens5591 I was about to sah but you described it much better than me :) I've read that too
Thank you
I never knew he had that much of a hard life while fighting.
I recommend the Dempsey movie
That’s why alot of them become fighters in the first place
@@nawfsidereviews6029 which one? What's it called
This video popped up on my feed today, June 24th, Jack Dempsey’s birthday. Interesting story, Teddy.
Dempsey is my favourite fighter
BANG ! ....BANG!
besides being a tough sob in the ring and beating up guys bigger then him, jack had a hard life outside the ring being homeless this is quite sad.
why yall guys stop the podcast in Spotify
Are you guy's doing a video on the GGG fight that just passed? Thanks
Thomas S. Teddy and Ken are in the final week of camp before Gvozdyk v Beterbiev fight. We’ll do an episode on GGG fight and others following.
@@robmohr6312 Thanks Rob!
He rode the rails under the train car
Hey Teddy you deal with great stories but you gotta do something to fix the acoustics. The sound is rough on the ears. It's holding you back.
i related to him jack dempsey have all his memoralbelia, my grandfather supplied chicago during prohibition with booze
Forgot to switch the audio?
Great clip, wish he would’ve said how he rates Dempsey to todays fighters
Podcast brought to you from a tunnel.
Great story nonetheless!
Please adjust the mid range on your mic, and sound proof the walls.
I can't believe Ken is 60. He looks 42
Dempsey would tie his hands & legs off to the undercarriage of the trains 🚂 to travel from town to town for Fights! That's Hard! Hard as Rock 🪨
The co host looks like a young Jack Dempsey
Hello Teddy your microphone is not working buddy
The toughest guys never wore shoes
Proper fighter
Jack Dempsey is the woody Guthrie of boxing
well said... when bob dylan (whose biggest idol was woody), first signed his contract w/ columbia & moved to nyc. the first guy he requested to meet was jack dempsey. dylan is actually a big boxing fan. he of course knew about the hobo legends.
These men were the Pioneers of the Ring Sullivan, Johnson, Dempsey, Hard times breeds Hard men, Props to Fury, but wouldn't last one round with Dempsey in his Prime, Dempsey was an assailant in the ring in the days of " NO Neutral Corner " vicious, He Had to be ! Look at the Willard Dempsey fight, Brutality at its finest
Haha I think when they talk about riding the rails, they meant stowing away in boxcars....not hanging on the bottom of a train for dear life.
It’s hard for me to respect athletes who didn’t compete against all races. I especially feel this about all them old time so called golden age baseball players.
The guy sitting with Teddy looks like Jack Dempsey
More like Gene Tunney
And yet a Dempsey could never have existed if Teddy had his way of mandated MRI's and proving your worthy of fighting.... Think about it... Dempsey seldom had two nickels to rub together, and he'd of been decommissioned forever after losing to Fireman Jim Flynn because he could've never afforded the MRI... Irony of ironies because so many people, like Billy Conn who lost so many fights at the beginning of his career, would've been forced out of boxing if Teddy's total commission control and extreme consequences was made a reality.
Sadly a lot of fighters lived like this....Jack Johnson...etc
mike tyson's mentor
Was Dempsey the first real big time boxer?
Sound is terrible
LOL Ken went to the cheaters and Google. If Teddy says it, you simply nod your head.
Usyk thoughts?
I admire his victories over all the adversity he was confronted with... just don't like the dirty fighting tactics he took in the ring with him.
You idiots making comments about Jack never fighting black fighters, in his era there was only 1 Harry Wills, Looking at Harry's record i'm not sure he could of beaten Dempsey . Jack Johnson the Great fighter ruined it 4 black fighters of that era, not Dempseys fault
Damn Teddy is you gone talk about Derevyanchenko getting robbed?
First! BANG! 😂🙋
The glasses look good Ken. For real :)
Dempsey doc:
czcams.com/video/VT8XpX3UAVQ/video.html
I personally think Dempseys gloves where loaded big time vs Willard .nobody had come close to knocking Willard around like that not even Jack Johnson and Dempsey never had that kind of power again.The whole fight had a bad feel to it ,the referring was atrocious....someone had it out for Big Jess!Dempsey was good but to me that fight tarnishes anything he ever accomplished.
Dempsey didn't have power ? Your tripping
It was said that willard had the piece of metal that he believed was loaded into dempseys gloves. He kept it until the day he past... look it up
Potentially, I don’t believe it if I’m honest think that fight was legit.
@@MrLukedanger to be fair I'd like to think it was legit but Dempsey was known for being a dirty fighter. It wasn't unheard of back in those days.. Greb was the same
@@deanobrien2021 I said "that kind of power".
WTF is going on with this audio? He is a cm away from the mic and it sounds like absolutely shit. I already said it once FIRE your audio engineer
And afraid to fight black fighters should be in the title.
Yeah. Thats why mike tyson regards him as one of his boxing heroes.
Well, I believe the record shows he fought one black fighter... at least better than jack johnson who tried to avoid all black fighters.
You`re missing an "or"
Manager politics was,not him.
Bringing couler in to it again 🙄 Mike tyson learned of him 😎
Dempsey most overrated heavyweight champ ever, never fought any black fighters, actually refused to fight them, barely had any title defenses. Scam.
@Douche Monkey Give the Rock some credit, he did clean out his era, both black and white. He didn't leave one race of people hanging for a title shot like Dempsey did.
@Douche Monkey Patterson was not in the top ten when the Rock hang it up, he was still in the light heavyweight division, Not the Rock's fault that these "Oldies" were beating the young contenders like Nino Valdes.
@Douche Monkey The men today are BIGGER, hell the men today would make Ali's era outside of maybe George Forman look small in comparison. I think Ali himself would be small today. He would not be facing 1 Giant, but Giant after Giant in the ring. I cant rank em like that because well size does matter in the ring. Its best to rank em in Historic point of view than Head to Head. Marciano climb to the top, became Champ, beat every contender worth a dam, and retire. Louis ranks high because he climb to the top and rein for 12 years beaten every one of note. I don't think it should be a knock on em if they rule a era and say David Tua could beat em, they should lose there rank status.
@Douche Monkey Also Patterson was not fighting in the heavyweights at the time, he was not in the top ten. Cus saw knew Rocky retire and he made efforts to get Patterson in the top ten and the showdown with Moore in late 56, Had Rocky NOT retire, Patterson did comment that Cus would of keep Floyd away from that match until about a year until Cus felt he was ready for the bout.
@Douche Monkey Age will still play a factor here, while Abeabuchi would be prime for Lewis,(And Lewis is a underated great) I think by the time Wlad comes along, Ike would be past his prime. Wlad would be beating the older champion(In this suppose world) to win the title.