The last stadium design on the waterfront was revolutionary and fresh- the Danish architecture firm hired offered a visionary proposition. It'll be interesting to see if they'll be brought back for the Vegas site.
It was part the A's fault for a bad business move so the Giants were not entirely to blame. A's mistake was not retaining the San Jose rights in the late 80s when the Giants were considering moving. When they didn't the A's should have demanded that area back as part of their territory. You also have to look at the other 28 teams that voted no for any relation. They didn't want their territory approached on either. You think the Mets and Yankees want another team moving into NY? So it was not entirely the Giants fault. MLB could have compensated the Giants for the loss of San Jose but no one could figure out a pice tag. In fact BAL and MLB are still arguing about moving into DC. So its more complicated then just being the Giants fault.
I also believe that the Giants didn't want another repeat when they lost their AAA team in Phoenix when the MLB created the Diamondbacks since the Giants have a A team in San Jose.
I’m a huge A’s fan and of course followed the stadium saga for years. A slight correction, while the did discuss a stadium north of the coliseum, I don’t recall a quality rendering. The one you showed with the pyramid bleachers was the first Fremont design. The came up with a subsequent rendering when they struck a deal with Cisco for naming rights. The third stadium rendering with the mini suites in the outfield was their proposed stadium in downtown San Jose, south of the shark tank arena.
Nope he was right. The Pyramid stadium was the Coliseum North design. They then modified it for the Fremont stadium render for Cisco Field. Fremont was “Cisco Field” from the outset.
@@MultiBaseball1010 I believe "Cisco Field" was originally the design for San Jose. When that was blocked they just used the same design for Fremont. When that didn't work the turned to Howard Terminal.
If the move to Vegas really come to fruition, it will be a sad day in Oakland. Still holding out hope. I don’t understand why Vegas would want to hand over 400 mill to this organization that has showed time after time there aren’t willing to do what is necessary to win. Personally I would think they would be better holding off for an expansion team.
@@bullwinkle2380 The court upheld MLB territorial control. It was actually not entirely the Giants that blocked them. MLB went to court and wanted to be sure they could control club movement. Giants had a weak claim but the court upheld MLB argument that they should be able to control were a team moves into what market. It was not specifically the Giants.
@@scotttild The supreme court made no ruling one way or the other. They refused to take up the case without comment. It was the 9th district court which upheld MLB territorial control and since the Court did not hear the case that ruling stands.
I actually liked the original renderings. Not the new ones. But neither of them will work in Las Vegas. It’s going to have to look similar to globe life or chase field but smaller. I REALLY hope whatever they choose, it’s grass.
I like these ballpark designs because baseball should be played outdoors. Shame it didn’t work out in Oakland. Now that the team is moving to Las Vegas they will get a bland indoor stadium with a roof.
All of the Howard Terminal stadiums look great, that last one not exactly my favorite but I'd still go for it. If I'm MLB, make the A's and Oakland go back to the table one last time and see if somewhere in Oakland can suffice.
@Angel when the team president comes out and says it's official, it's official. They wouldn't make a binding agreement to purchase the land if it wasn't happening, regardless of the vote. Even if Vegas votes against the money, it's still happening because the agreement is binding. As in, the A's have to legally buy the land. That's why the city of Oakland has ceased all negotiations with the A's
@@herotomillions4095 “Binding” means nothing it the context of John Fisher and the A’s. They had a binding agreement for a different Vegas site just last week. They had a binding agreement in SJ before the Giants situation.
😢Oakland should gave the Raiders the Coliseum and half the Coliseum property and Oakland should have helped public fund the A's A's ballpark on the Coliseum property
@@86byrdmanthe mayor at the time Jerry Brown vetoed it in favor for housing. It is basically projects now in downtown. They could have revitalized the downtown area like San Diego did.
@@Captain_Solo Oh ok, I see. Thank you for the info. Dang, so Jerry Brown kind of messed up the A's stadium situation in Oakland, kind of like how Gavin Newsom messed up the Niners stadium situation here in SF. Levi's is alright, but the Niners new stadium should've been at Candlestick Point as was originally voted on and agreed to. Yeah, downtown Oakland is scarce nowadays. Parts of it look unsafe. That new A's stadium (the 2002 rendering?) definitely could've revitalized downtown Oakland, or give that part of Oakland more of a presence not only in Oakland, but possibly in the Bay.
FYI, for the Tropicana site the A’s are not looking at buying the 9 acres of land. They are looking at renting it for $10.4 MM annually. IMO just a sign that as GAP stock plunged, Fisher does not have the cash flow he had.
Yeah fisher is looking for a big government handout and then is going to try to sell as soon as it’s done and pocket the difference. Dude is a slime ball and I hope Vegas can see him for what he is like Oakland finally did.
Yeah, he missed that one. I think that was before Howard Terminal, somewhere around 2014, 2015. I think they wanted to build a new Coliseum, one stadium for the A's and another for the Raiders on the Coliseum site?
The A’s should have kept the design more functional - more like Busch Stadium, Citizens Bank Park, or Great American Park. Instead, they larded it up with “pyramid bleachers”, faux warehouses, lawn grass on the outfield roof, etc, which undoubtedly added to cost and decreased seating capacity. Add to all that the exorbitant cost of land in urban California, and there you go.
It was part the A's fault for a bad business move so the Giants were not entirely to blame. A's mistake was not retaining the San Jose rights in the late 80s when the Giants were considering moving. When they didn't the A's should have demanded that area back as part of their territory. You also have to look at the other 28 teams that voted no for any relocation. They didn't want their territory approached on either. You think the Mets and Yankees want another team moving into NY? So it was not entirely the Giants fault. MLB could have compensated the Giants for the loss of San Jose but no one could figure out a pice tag. In fact BAL and MLB are still arguing about moving into DC. So its more complicated then just being the Giants fault.
The stadium may be ugly. However, the reason for terrible attendance is not the low aesthetic quality of Oakland Alameda Coliseum. It is rather the poor aesthetic quality of the Athletics play. The wisdom of moving to Las Vegas, a much smaller market which means much less broadcast revenue and even less sponsorship revenue is nonexistent. John Fisher needs to buy land in the Bay area and build a new stadium with his own money. The idea of publically funded sports venues for professional sports, which are private businesses, is an exercise of stupidity by a local or state government.
LOL. Pretty much, yes. It was basically the A's version of AT&T/Oracle Park.... It was the best design for Howard Terminal though. None of that Gondola nonsense. LOL
@@86byrdman Hi Otis, it’s a shame that the A’s are leaving Oakland. They’ve got loyal, lifelong fans who stuck with the team through thick and thin. Between bad ownership and City of Oakland politics, they’ve crapped on the fans. Just sad to see.
@@OldRustySteele Hey Rusty!.... Even though I'm a Giants fan, I agree. Yeah, the A's leaving the Bay could benefit the Giants, but at the same time, if/when the A's do leave for Vegas, I'll miss the spirited Battle of the Bay rivalries between these two teams. Yeah, even though the A's fanbase is smaller these days, they do have a loyal fanbase. It is crazy how the city of Oakland has dropped the ball on the Raiders, and now the A's. The real fans don't deserve this.
I wouldn't call it so much as a move to Las Vegas. Seems more like an escape from a concrete jungle. Who knew that a MLB team would want to leave a crime ridden sewer.
The last stadium design on the waterfront was revolutionary and fresh- the Danish architecture firm hired offered a visionary proposition. It'll be interesting to see if they'll be brought back for the Vegas site.
I was watching their game a couple hours ago, and I couldn't help but notice some really good seats unoccupied.
Lol... I noticed that too. Scalpers paradise.
Homeless meth addicts don't go to games.
It never ends with A's drama
The second Cisco Field was the San Jose design. And the wall was all the way above the mini suites in right field.
can we get a video on your thoughts on the best broadcast backdrops behind home plate? like what different stadiums behind home plates look the best?
I want to nominate the worst. Comerica. Theres that dead zone and the door frame. So ugly .
No. We need more Upper Deck talk.
That 2005 rendering was so sick. Could you imagine!
Honestly I love the green spaces on the most recent set of renderings.
I will never forgive the Giants for blocking the A’s move to SJ
It was part the A's fault for a bad business move so the Giants were not entirely to blame. A's mistake was not retaining the San Jose rights in the late 80s when the Giants were considering moving. When they didn't the A's should have demanded that area back as part of their territory. You also have to look at the other 28 teams that voted no for any relation. They didn't want their territory approached on either. You think the Mets and Yankees want another team moving into NY? So it was not entirely the Giants fault. MLB could have compensated the Giants for the loss of San Jose but no one could figure out a pice tag. In fact BAL and MLB are still arguing about moving into DC. So its more complicated then just being the Giants fault.
Being from Monterey this made me mad too, and I'm not even an A's fan. "competitive territory infringement" was detrimental to the game in this case.
Then I will still be a a,s fan because it will be close by
I also believe that the Giants didn't want another repeat when they lost their AAA team in Phoenix when the MLB created the Diamondbacks since the Giants have a A team in San Jose.
I would move to San Jose and say Fuck the giants
I’m a huge A’s fan and of course followed the stadium saga for years. A slight correction, while the did discuss a stadium north of the coliseum, I don’t recall a quality rendering. The one you showed with the pyramid bleachers was the first Fremont design. The came up with a subsequent rendering when they struck a deal with Cisco for naming rights. The third stadium rendering with the mini suites in the outfield was their proposed stadium in downtown San Jose, south of the shark tank arena.
I sure hope the A's will stay in Oakland, CA!
To Vegas we go!!
Nope he was right. The Pyramid stadium was the Coliseum North design. They then modified it for the Fremont stadium render for Cisco Field. Fremont was “Cisco Field” from the outset.
@@MultiBaseball1010 I believe "Cisco Field" was originally the design for San Jose. When that was blocked they just used the same design for Fremont. When that didn't work the turned to Howard Terminal.
@@scotttild Hasa diga eebowai.
If the move to Vegas really come to fruition, it will be a sad day in Oakland. Still holding out hope. I don’t understand why Vegas would want to hand over 400 mill to this organization that has showed time after time there aren’t willing to do what is necessary to win. Personally I would think they would be better holding off for an expansion team.
You forgot the part where they tried to move to San Jose but got legally blocked by the Giants
Didn't San Jose take its case to the US Supreme Court and they told the South Bay to get lost???
@@bullwinkle2380 The court upheld MLB territorial control. It was actually not entirely the Giants that blocked them. MLB went to court and wanted to be sure they could control club movement. Giants had a weak claim but the court upheld MLB argument that they should be able to control were a team moves into what market. It was not specifically the Giants.
@@scotttild The supreme court made no ruling one way or the other. They refused to take up the case without comment.
It was the 9th district court which upheld MLB territorial control and since the Court did not hear the case that ruling stands.
I actually liked the original renderings. Not the new ones. But neither of them will work in Las Vegas. It’s going to have to look similar to globe life or chase field but smaller. I REALLY hope whatever they choose, it’s grass.
The CF walls with the seating being a home run would’ve been an interesting setup
I like these ballpark designs because baseball should be played outdoors. Shame it didn’t work out in Oakland. Now that the team is moving to Las Vegas they will get a bland indoor stadium with a roof.
All of the Howard Terminal stadiums look great, that last one not exactly my favorite but I'd still go for it. If I'm MLB, make the A's and Oakland go back to the table one last time and see if somewhere in Oakland can suffice.
The A’s are officially moving to Las Vegas after making an agreement to build at the Tropicana location on the strip
Vegas still has to vote if they will provide the $395M in public funding my guy. (For me, its never official until there's shovels in the ground)
@Angel when the team president comes out and says it's official, it's official. They wouldn't make a binding agreement to purchase the land if it wasn't happening, regardless of the vote. Even if Vegas votes against the money, it's still happening because the agreement is binding. As in, the A's have to legally buy the land. That's why the city of Oakland has ceased all negotiations with the A's
@@herotomillions4095 “Binding” means nothing it the context of John Fisher and the A’s. They had a binding agreement for a different Vegas site just last week. They had a binding agreement in SJ before the Giants situation.
@@angel_51o ok. If you say so. But either way the city of Oakland has ceased negotiating with the A's so they're not playing there
What about the proposal years ago to move to Dublin CA?
That first Howard terminal rendering was made by fan in 2013-2014
😢Oakland should gave the Raiders the Coliseum and half the Coliseum property and Oakland should have helped public fund the A's A's ballpark on the Coliseum property
7:28 was the San Jose concept. Mayor Chuck Reed tried to go to court to get MLB on board. No joy.
The stadium between San Pablo and Broadway was in the heart of Downtown Oakland.
Yeah, kind of surprised the A's just didn't go with that. Most pro sports teams nowadays play downtown in their city
@@86byrdmanthe mayor at the time Jerry Brown vetoed it in favor for housing. It is basically projects now in downtown. They could have revitalized the downtown area like San Diego did.
@@Captain_Solo Oh ok, I see. Thank you for the info. Dang, so Jerry Brown kind of messed up the A's stadium situation in Oakland, kind of like how Gavin Newsom messed up the Niners stadium situation here in SF. Levi's is alright, but the Niners new stadium should've been at Candlestick Point as was originally voted on and agreed to.
Yeah, downtown Oakland is scarce nowadays. Parts of it look unsafe. That new A's stadium (the 2002 rendering?) definitely could've revitalized downtown Oakland, or give that part of Oakland more of a presence not only in Oakland, but possibly in the Bay.
Most of those are really nice. The last 2 are hideous though.
It would be cool to have a hotel with balconies you step out onto and watch the game.
the 2005 stadium would probably be the coolest in mlb
FYI, for the Tropicana site the A’s are not looking at buying the 9 acres of land. They are looking at renting it for $10.4 MM annually. IMO just a sign that as GAP stock plunged, Fisher does not have the cash flow he had.
Yeah fisher is looking for a big government handout and then is going to try to sell as soon as it’s done and pocket the difference. Dude is a slime ball and I hope Vegas can see him for what he is like Oakland finally did.
If they get rid of the upper section of seating but keep the luxury boxes, it would be a half decent looking stadium.
The A's have a fan base a lot in Nor Cal
Whatever happened to Victory Court??? There was talk of a ballpark at Victory Court!!!
Yeah, he missed that one. I think that was before Howard Terminal, somewhere around 2014, 2015. I think they wanted to build a new Coliseum, one stadium for the A's and another for the Raiders on the Coliseum site?
@@86byrdman Coliseum City with one Coliseum for the A's and another Coliseum for the Raiders or something along that Coliseum City line!!!
Las Vegas A's: Brother can you spare $395 mil??? Maybe a little bit more???
I like the '05 design the best.
There are rich teams, and there are poor teams. Then there's 50 feet of crap. Then there's the Oakland Athletics.
7:54 those things looks like a driving range
Cisco reminds me of camden yards .
The pyramid seating looked cool. Oakland's loss.
It’s versus not verse 5:58
who else high af rn
Cisco Field would be a better name for where the Giants play
The A’s should have kept the design more functional - more like Busch Stadium, Citizens Bank Park, or Great American Park. Instead, they larded it up with “pyramid bleachers”, faux warehouses, lawn grass on the outfield roof, etc, which undoubtedly added to cost and decreased seating capacity.
Add to all that the exorbitant cost of land in urban California, and there you go.
Agreed. The A's should've been more realistic with their new stadium. They were trying to have a SoFi Stadium type stadium at Howard Terminal. LOL
It was part the A's fault for a bad business move so the Giants were not entirely to blame. A's mistake was not retaining the San Jose rights in the late 80s when the Giants were considering moving. When they didn't the A's should have demanded that area back as part of their territory. You also have to look at the other 28 teams that voted no for any relocation. They didn't want their territory approached on either. You think the Mets and Yankees want another team moving into NY? So it was not entirely the Giants fault. MLB could have compensated the Giants for the loss of San Jose but no one could figure out a pice tag. In fact BAL and MLB are still arguing about moving into DC. So its more complicated then just being the Giants fault.
3:20 would have been nice
HASA DIGA EEBOWAI!
Cisco was nice
Hey did you know it’s pronounced “vey-gis” not “vag-gas”
The stadium may be ugly. However, the reason for terrible attendance is not the low aesthetic quality of Oakland Alameda Coliseum. It is rather the poor aesthetic quality of the Athletics play. The wisdom of moving to Las Vegas, a much smaller market which means much less broadcast revenue and even less sponsorship revenue is nonexistent. John Fisher needs to buy land in the Bay area and build a new stadium with his own money. The idea of publically funded sports venues for professional sports, which are private businesses, is an exercise of stupidity by a local or state government.
True... but if you want your sports team then you either build it or they're leaving
I agree with you but corporations get hand outs all the time.
The first Howard Terminal rendering looks like an AT&T rip-off
LOL. Pretty much, yes. It was basically the A's version of AT&T/Oracle Park.... It was the best design for Howard Terminal though. None of that Gondola nonsense. LOL
@@86byrdman Hi Otis, it’s a shame that the A’s are leaving Oakland. They’ve got loyal, lifelong fans who stuck with the team through thick and thin. Between bad ownership and City of Oakland politics, they’ve crapped on the fans. Just sad to see.
@@OldRustySteele Hey Rusty!.... Even though I'm a Giants fan, I agree. Yeah, the A's leaving the Bay could benefit the Giants, but at the same time, if/when the A's do leave for Vegas, I'll miss the spirited Battle of the Bay rivalries between these two teams.
Yeah, even though the A's fanbase is smaller these days, they do have a loyal fanbase. It is crazy how the city of Oakland has dropped the ball on the Raiders, and now the A's. The real fans don't deserve this.
You know what, the A's really tried to get a new stadium. Oakland let their citizens down.
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I wouldn't call it so much as a move to Las Vegas. Seems more like an escape from a concrete jungle. Who knew that a MLB team would want to leave a crime ridden sewer.