Panasonic GH5, Why I Don’t Shoot V-Log Anymore
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I have an S5. I particularly have issues with interior footage. I think I'm going to focus more on utilizing CineD. Can you give some helpful tips on exposing CineD. Thanks....I just subscribed👍
Thanks for the help for the gh5 newbies, will see how your luts are and try some cined shooting 👍
Ryan, I agree with you 100%!! I came to this conclusion recently and it’s nice to hear you confirm the feelings I was having about post processing. In fact, I even started shooting using the ‘natural’ profile and really like the results.
Awesome! And do you grade your clips much or keep em natural?
@@ryanjharris I do a few simple primary corrections and then apply a LUT.
I use "natural" profile too on the GH5s. No more noise in low light ! With the Film convert nitrate plugin and sometimes a LUT, it's so simple and and the result is very organic.
@@chrisfarrell8399 thanks for the info. I’m about to try this in fcpx. Do you have any lut recommendations? Cheers from Sydney
I like to shoot in Cin D and add Rec 709 Lut. works really well and then after, all i need to do is adjust shadows and highlits a touch. makes the workflow soo much easier.
In Da Vinci you can set the v-log curve as default on all clips. Zero hassle and if you want to change exposure in post, you can select the conversion from v-log to be added after your effects. Only downside is if you nest timelines, it will do double grading. I don't really consider it grading, more auto-convert back to standard colors but with more options for exposure correction, take back highlights etc.
I am an old film and paper photographer who has just bought a Lumix g9 to explore the capabilities of the digital medium, both motion and stills. I have a lot to catch up on but I am getting there. But from my limited experience I was already thinking along the lines of what you said in your video. It sure seems to me that Cine D gets one almost all the way there and only a few tweaks should be necessary to bring it all the way home. There are a lot of channels on youtube that seem determined to make things far more complicated than is necessary, so it was nice to see you bring some clarity to the subject. In the old days I remember lots of photographers were wasting a lot of time and money playing around with film and tweaking the chemicals and exposures. Rarely, did these photographers go out and get really good work done because their energy was already spent before they took any real pictures. I still think that it's good to be interested in the process, but there are limits.
Love the honesty! Thanks a lot mate, you’ve confirmed exactly what I suspected ever since I bought my first GH4, and now that I’ve had three more GH5 bodies with still no VLOG, you’ve genuinely just nailed my long-held suspicion. That said, I’ve never tried using Cine D in low light, so I really appreciate that tip, I’ll be trying that one out this weekend 👍🏻😁
CINED Sharpness -5 give it a go! I love the look. Enjoy!
I shoot mainly in V-log with my gh5s for three reasons :
- dynamic range is way higher
-I like to color al my clips ( but that’s a personal preference )
- And last but not least it can give me the cleanest image in low light ( if exposed well ) cause its dual native iso is the highest among all profiles.
Thanks for sharing your opinion Ryan, I love your channel🤙🏾🔥
Totally fair, respect ✊
Would love to see some of your favourite work!
Agree, I use it to get the extra dynamic range and if exposed perfectly with correct stops you get super clean blacks in low light. Also a GH5S shooter and C500mk ii shooter :)
@@ryanjharris I’m actually working on a couple of personal projects and a reel of my previous works✌🏾 would be amazing to receive your feedback when they are out
@@ryanjharris 1:43 you mentioned sharing a link to your settings in the description for cinelink d but I cant seem to see it in the description ? what other settings do you use besides putting sharpness to -5 ? Cheers
I don't understand. How can it be both noisy in low light and clean in low light? One of you is lying.
I'm not a GH5 or Lumix uses, but I experience the same thing with my Fujifilm X-T3. Shooting F-log gave me the same or even worse looking footage then shooting in a tweaked Eterna picture profile. I would say though, since I got the X-H2S with the new F-log2 LUT, shooting in LOG starts to actually give benefits, since it gives so much more dynamic range than normal F-log or tweaked Eterna.
I've been using cine for years... It's all I use since I switched from canon to Panasonic. You are 100% spot on about the detail in the shadows. V log is too far from the finish line and is two much hassle.
You are so right Ryan, I'm a filmmaker, but its takes so long to colour grade each clip, I use V-Log, Natural profile. I will take a look at Cine-D for low light, thanks for that tip!
Agreed also I love ur CINED recommended settings they look great
Beauty!
Exactly! I'm with you. While I have used V-Log and it has helped me to understand color grading a bit more in depth, the payoff seems minimal. I'll be PURCHASING your 100 Lut Pack today to give Cine-V a whirl. Blessings!
Agree, have the VLOG upgrade, but have still preferred Natural for most work unless very contrasty sunny day. Will have a look at the CineD profile.
Natural and cine d profiles are excellent. These samples of footage are beautiful.
Bro this is crazy, I was literally in the shower 20 minutes ago thinking to my myself, "V-Log is a bit overrated". I hop on google to see if there's any comments about it and I found your video ... wild! I've been following since I got my GH5 in 2019!
Hahaha, that is such weird timing... Glad to hear it worked out. Cheers!
For freelance event and corporate work definitely CineD is perfect. For larger shoots such as shorts, commercial films and music videos VLog L i feel is best.
Not gonna lie, I switched to a Natural picture profile recently, and it's pretty awesome.
I use V-Log for more corporate work where color is paramount and I get to light up everything properly. But for literally everything else?
Natural all day. The grading process is soooooooo much easier
you ever used portrait mode? that one is my favorite for skin tones
@@wcsdiaries I have not, but I plan on doing so in the very near future!
I used to swear by V-Log HEAVY. Shot with it almost exclusively, even in low light settings. I appreciate the grading practice, but I need a break LOLZ
@@AfoteyAnnum How do you expose V-Log on low light to get least amount of noise? I have GH5 and so far been using natural profile 10 bit with tweaks in profile settings. I'm starting a project, where I could spend more time on grading and want to shoot it in V-Log. I'm just afraid my shadows will be full of uckly noise. There is going to be a lot of dark scenes and available light...
I fully agree: If shooting in 10 bit V-Log is the choice. Yes, you need to work yourself once through how it works (exposure, color space transform in DR, grading, ..).
It took me more than a year to learn how to best expose and grade it - now I have a few standard node trees that I just saved as power grades in DR and can quickly throw one on my clips, do a few adjustments, and bang - done.
This video would never worked in any other profile than V-Log: czcams.com/video/C5UPTZDCBZ0/video.html
And here a Low Light example (no NR applied!): czcams.com/video/IIr8E5C4gyA/video.html
At least you know you’re stuff. V-log has a purpose and true, it’s not meant for everyone. I shot my first film with a GH5 and BMPCC4K called “JULIE’S CONFESSION” it’s free on TUBI TV. The introduction and outro was shot entirely on the GH5 with V-log to give me the look I was going for. There’s a reason why there are different color profiles and each one has an end. It’s all about knowing beforehand which one to use. Good video.
ok my main realization is that I think vlog is for a full spectrum of dynamic range, where similar to Cine D vs Cine V, one profile is denser in the middle where the real colors are, and for this reason I’m thinking HLG may be the way to go, if not Cine V since yea, you just get way more colors that actually matter
Same! I’ve had these same issues but persisted with v-log because everyone says you should. I’ll be ditching it for low light events from now on.
Same ideas for my current workflow, I ditched shooting log because it's not worth all those hassle, as long as the exposure was set properly, the rest will be fine.
Ryan... Random AF but, I saw this video 2years ago, and from that moment I saw it....I neverrrrrrr went back to V-log lol. Former GH4 - GH5 - GH6 user and owner, current Panasonic S5ii owner, and I have not put it into V-Log once ! It's funny, I even had a client project where I had to unfortunately use Cine-D on the S5ii and S-LOG on the FX3 and the FX3 owner was like "man...how is y our footage already dialed in ?!" lol.. Man, that Cine-D is it !!! It's so IT, I could send the raw footage to client right now and they would roll with it. It's already ready out the camera. Thanks again man, glad you made ur video, I woulda NEVER shot Cine-D lol.
I agree with you, you can create more new videos with the time that you spend color grading. Cheers!
I was about to buy that vlog for my gh5, thanks man you saved my £70. Your opinion is really worthy for me
vlog actually does capture best in low light. A lot of people are afraid of log footage for that reason they just dont want to deal with learning how to do so . and when you dont really know how you cant see a huge difference. shooting on the s5
I film in cineV. When it comes to concert footage in not going to color grade with all the changing lights and colors. I enjoy how the shadows contrast with the stage lights.
So funny this video showed up at the PERFECT TIME! I was thinking about this since I bought a new SD CARD literally 2 days ago to fully test V LOG. I realized that I was shooting 10 bit long gop and not the recommended ALL-I for blog and I have been doing this for client work for almost a year. And the results were satisfactory but then when I tried the full capability of v log, it just meant bigger files, more colour grading and honestly…didn’t look as nice as my original ciné d videos I took. Ryan you got me into film and videography and into GH5 and it was because of your work, results and settings🤷🏽♂️
Time to go back, THANK YOU FOR THIS, keep going and inspiring us!
Also Ryan, any recommended luts and edit around ciné d? And even wave form settings to get the best results?
@@KomodoKreate I use my LUTs ryanjharris.ca/luts usually "Moody" LUT or "Brighten Summer" are my go to's lately. Sometimes "Panorama" also!
I have tutorials for free on my channel on how I grade also: czcams.com/video/r0TW8emQ5I8/video.html
And a tutorial on waveforms/exposure: czcams.com/video/weVgYbaFu3s/video.html
Enjoy!
@@ryanjharris just purchased! Now, to binge 🤙🏽
v-log is very nice in 10bit, but on the gh5 you only get 10bit with 24p in 24p. If you use 60fps to 24fps you only get 8bit and the colors will break up, even with a regular rec709 conversion lut. Weird banding and other shenanigans. Cine-D is my go to because I use 60 to 24 A LOT
yeah agree, i would never use Vlog in 8 Bit. Even with Cin D 8 bit is pushing it a bit.
My problem with V Log is it lifts shadows and crushes the midtones making it easy to get noise in those areas. it might be OK in 14-bit like pro film cameras but not in 10-bit. I really like to work around the light and I find on my GH5M2 it's relatively easy to get Kodak Portra, Ektar or Fuiji Super 400 looks when they are printed on paper.
Thanks for your thoughts:)
V-Log is fun to play with. But there is no need for it for CZcams or Vimeo or any other video site.
thanks, i was thinking the same, now i know to not be mad
Here's the problem I have. I shot a clear sky on a sunny day. I filmed in a vlog, at the minimum ISO (125), set the exposure correction to +2, which equaled +2-3 stops in the light areas according to the luminance spot meter tool. I shot in the best quality, All Intra, 4:2:2, bitrate 400 Mb/sec. But when I started doing color correction, I saw that the sky was all filled with compression artifacts, such shapeless circles. I have banding in the sky. What I did wrong? Maybe I shouldn’t have shot at ISO 125, but shot at ISO 250.
thank you ! short and straight to the point
Ever used portrait mode? I love cine d except for what it does to skin tones, and I learned from wolfcrow that portrait mode has beautiful skin tones. Been using that ever since
nice idea, I experiment a lot with the photo styles on my g100, cine d has been easier to work with imo but I think I will always experiment with the settings of each photo style.
8BIT 420 is not good for LOG file
How about comparing Cine-D with HLG?
Whoo hoo🥳 I got a G9...now i don't have to buy the V-Log upgrade
Agree with your assessment.
What I found is that when you shoot v-log with any ISO setting above native 400 ISO, the footage becomes noisy. Don't get me wrong, some of my best shots that I've taken was with v-log, but the conditions really has to be perfect.
So I agree. 10-bit Cine-D all the way!
I'd agree with that, as I shoot in V-Log or Natural profile. Thanks for posting this.
Hi Ryan,
You are a very underappreciated CZcamsR. I have a question, for CZcams, I get the shooting in CineD, but if you are shooting like a Documentary for home play or to sell for non distribution, what do you suggest?
You seem very legit. I like your videos dude!
my v-log looks like crap. It seems like a big hassle. anyway. I'm going to subscribe to your channel.
Fantastic points, thank you!
I couldn't find the link to your CineD profile video.
Hi Ryan, I agree with you, but still depending on the budget and project. I am now working on some surf staff, in some rainy and moody day trying to have that correct look is more complicated with V-Log for sure. By the way, I am also looking for a SeaFrog fo my GH5s. any suggestion ?
Where are the settings?
Wow, just saved me £700. I was considering the X2 for low light, but now knowing it has poor low light is a deal breaker for me.
Thanks for keeping it real.
Thank you
Interesting. Also there is new possibilities if using Ninja V..
Absolutely agree...
Hi, I have GH5 ii and I have two option for CINE D:
- CNED2
- CNEV2
Which one do you use?
Do you think CineD is better than Natural? I agree with you, V-Log seems like more work than I want to do or have the time..
depends on what youre shooting and the conditions. if you need more dynamic rnage , id most certainly suggest using CineD
I tried Vlog on the S5 and compared it to CineD and the difference was night and day. So much more dynamic range and better colour science, never wanna shoot in anything else haha
You’re saying you like CineD more, right?
@@Svoboda1234 No not at all. V-log is much better
Oh man. I wish there was some quick, standard method for converting v log to a normal looking video, all these different luts and types of luts have me feeling like it’s too involved to get in to.
@@Svoboda1234 There is, if you are davinci user... watch one of the last videos from Casey Ferris - colourgrade in 2022 or sth like that... it goes through "camera space transform node" - it turns the image right back... and you can set the node as a "group post", so it grades all of your footage at once... Than you can apply your adjustment within the each footage. It´s great...
But I was also think about using Natural profile instead of V-log... gonna try it next time...
Totally agree with you
Thanks for watching
What about HLG? It seems it's the best profile in GH5.
@Ryan Harris 1:43 you mentioned sharing a link to your settings in the description for cinelink d but I cant seem to see it in the description ? what other settings do you use besides putting sharpness to -5 ? Cheers
When you say low light, how low do you mean?
It’s true, what you say 👍
What about HLG?
Hi Ryan, for Panasonic S5 what settings do you recommend? Thanks!
I shoot pretty much similar to my GH5 settings. I will make an S5 tutorial soon!
@@ryanjharris I was curious, now you have made me impatient! :) I'm waiting for your tutorial. Thanks!
Sounds good to me. I've never used vlog. I just tweak what I get out of camera.
HLG is best in terms of dynamic range and noise. Period.
Thanks for the insight bozo! Being on the road, time is limited.
Haha :)
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HLG!
yeaaaah but nooooo