Use V-LOG or HLG for Panasonic GH5 - Which Is Better?
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2021
- Should you shoot in HLG or V-Log in your Panasonic GH5, or any other Panasonic?? In this short video I do a quick comparison of the two
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Very good explanation and comparison.
I liked the HLG outside - VLOG inside of your sample footage. I'm lucky, I didn't put the word Camera in my channel title and after 210 videos published I've only had one criticism of my video or audio quality --- they said the background music was too loud. I do enjoy watching the techy video sites, one should always be trying to move their skills up a notch. Good Show!
Thanks, J.R. I agree with you. I liked V-Log indoors and HLG outside. I also have zero complaints about your quality!! Haha.
V-LOG is so much sharper in the outdoor shot. Maybe from the f-stop changes though.
Edit (after watching full video): Definitely feel like the V-LOG is sharper overall, which is something I prefer personally. Much rather soften images in post or with filters than try to sharpen. Also love the content, happy you popped up in my recommendations! I'm here for all the GH5 content I can get ;)
Yeah - the V-Log is my preferred profile. It’s easier to grade too!!
Also, watched some of your shorts - awesome stuff!! Can’t wait to see more featuring the GH5 😎😎
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis many thanks!!! Got a big one we’re shooting this summer.
So I prefer the HLG over all. And side note, my daughter loves the music on your videos. She hasn’t stopped dancing.
If I can entertain the children then I’ve truly done worthwhile work. She likes Old School Funk - smart kid!! 🧠
I’m gonna have to try a few HLG only videos and see how I like it. Gerald Undone prefers it and he’s usually right about everything.
I’ve also noticed that HLG provides image without noise comparing to other profiles in GH5. In this case I don’t need V-log. I guess V-log would be better for those who really play with creative colour corrections. If you looking for better natural image without any playing than HLG works perfectly.
Yes - HLG will give you almost the same dynamic range as v-log and some other benefits. With 01-bit HLG you can color grade pretty aggressively as well. HLG and V-Log have differences, but it’s about the way you shoot and personal workflow. I use it too at times.
MARK, what mounts did you get to hold up those backdrops in the background? 👀
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Imo hlg skin tone is more purple indoor but its difficult to compare considering the leeming lut isnt helpful when comparing color accuracy and such
The HLG does lean a little purple - I find the V-Log looks more like the real colours of the room
Thanks for the comparison, well, as many said before me - it seems that v-log does have better highlights, and hlg has better shadows. so first is for the itself bright image, and second - for low light situations...
I preffer Cine-D GhAlex conversion to V-Log :) it is good for all situations. I just wish focus peaking would be the same as hlg in other picture profiles. hlg focus peaking somehow is a lot better.
I have the GHAlex LUT and will be doing a video or two on it coming up!! Mind-reader
hi cheer from france thank for those kind of vid it help us xD
You’re welcome!! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
I recently bought the S5 so this is super useful! I find vlog to be waaay better for me in post because i do a lot of heavy grading for music video etc and it just FEELS better if you know what I mean? I also found hlg footage clips hightlights pretty quick but that might just be me! Might try hlg for workflow benefits on youtube vids though, we'll see 😂
S5 is awesome. Full frame with all those video features - plus 5.9k externally - fantastic. I agree, V-Log just feels right when you grade it - everything goes where it should
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yeah man, absolutely! I've paired mine with a bunch of nice vintage lenses, bc the L mount lineup is so expensive, and the footage coming out of it is insane! Feels like a diluted a7siii 😂
@@NathanJEllerton it has a lot of features the A7S3 doesn’t have. It’s missing that great autofocus, and maybe a little dynamic range - but other than that - it has more video useful video features.
Uups - surprizes me. I have the S1H and detected HLG only recently after shooting most of the time on V-Log.
I am blown away by HLG, because it does NOT clip that fast in the highlights as does V-Log. Anyway, you need to avoid going beyond the max sensor IRE (look it up in the camera specs).
Use a proper CST from HLG to Arri Log-C3 and grade in this color space, and you will get best colors even with heavy grading! At the end, transfer to Rec709 (mostly with another CST).
I adpted my V-Log grading tree to HLG, and it waorks so well, regardless of camera (HLG Rec2100 or BT2020) is a standard across cameras), even with footage from my iPhone.
And, it renders 2-3 times faster with my heavy grading tree - don't know exactly why, but who cares.
Update 7 month later: I had my S1H incidentally set to V-Log instead of Rec2100 and took some long shots in bright sunlight, taking care to expose the highlights to just touch 90%.
When colour grading for HDR output, I recognised my mistake and switched the input color space on the Clips to V-Log - with surprisingly more pleasing colours than I was used to from Rec2100 footage over the past month.
Not sure what the exact math deep in my camera is making this visible difference, but I will continue with V-Log for the next time.
BTW, for rendering out to HDR 1000 nits, V-log is as great as Rec2100.
Have you tried different conversion LUTs for vlog? The Leeming lut needs so much light, it's bizarre
I have tried others, but none are as accurate as The Leeming LUT. The reason it needs more light is to maximize the dynamic range of V-Log without getting noise in the shadows (hence the exposing to the right). Most v-log conversion LUTS leave you with undesirable noise and artifacts in the shadows.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Ah, I see. That actually makes sense. I guess I should have read more about how it works!
I can see this being helpful outdoors especially to minimize the amount of ND but for shooting indoors it can be problematic to add that much light (fan noise being an issue for instance). Aside from color accuracy, do you see a big difference in noise?
@@PhillipRPeck I use a UL150 (no fan noise) because I hate fan noise from lights!! Yes - I see a big difference in noise if I don't expose to the right in V-Log. If you underexpose in HLG or V-Log you will get a ton of noise. And just exposing like a standard profile will still give you noise. So, if you expose to the right in both, you get the best useable dynamic rage. The Leeming Lut lets me ETTR and then in one click, convert the footage to pretty much perfect. Then I can add a heavy grade after and know I have a huge amount of data to work with
I thought the V-log looked better outdoors and not much difference indoors. Both look good generally. I use V-log (on my G9).
Noted!! Thanks
Skip the lut Vlog looks better to me but once you apply the lut hlg is a bit better only because vlog gets crushed as far as exposer goes.
Hi, very nice video, thanks to share it.
I make documentaries about traditions of native peoples.
I would like to know your thoughts on Pocket 3 and HLG vs V-LOG. If you have used them extensively, which one do you prefer?
When to use HLG or V-LOG?
Is the dynamic range of HLG much higher than the NORMAL profile or just slightly better in video editing?
Thanks to share for your thoughts
Hello, when I can buy or get hlg profile for gh5?
HLG is standard on the GH5 - you don't need to purchase it 👍
I would enjoy your videos more without the music in the background, or mix the music down a bit.
Thanks for the feedback - I did put the music at a higher level in this video than any other video. Normally is lower or not there at all. I’ll go back to the old ways!!
Throughout the intro I kept watching the highlights on your hands as you speak and I can't help but feel they're clipped...
Yeah - the intro was filmed with a slightly different setup where the light was too low. So my hands were closer to the light and were clipping. I let it go because prefect is the enemy of good!! The actual tests though were done with measured and correct exposure.
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Thanks for your reply!
por qué haría un grade de HLG si fue creado por BBC para transmisiones HDR en vivo?
Just because it was intended originally for HDR doesn't mean you shouldn't use it for standard rec.709. It gives far more dynamic range and more colors to work with than standard profiles and it won't fall apart in 8-bit like log profiles when color grading. HLG is becoming commonplace for editors who convert to rec.709.
HLG makes the shadows roll smoother. Better for your face.
I didn't even know GH5 had HLG because I always have it set to 8 bit, 4k60 - HLG is completely hidden until you change it to 10 bit 30 fps haha
VLOG has more contrast - less flat.
For sure - I think the HLG flat makes some people think it handles highlights better, but to me it just looks flat like you said. So then I have to add contrast back in - which makes it look more like V-Log. Ha!!
There's a new Mark video!
HLG seems to be better to my eye, seems to me that you're forcing bigger shadows with the VLOG indoors. Your point to using one for indoors and one for outdoors is exactly what I was going to suggest... and then you said it yourself :P
Damn mind reader over here... clairvoyant if you will.
It helps when you have conversations with yourself!!🤪
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Who are you talking to man? Oh, yourself? *Slowly backs away* 🤣
I don’t know why everyone hates V-Log L so hard.
HLG has a moore cleaner color. HLG is mutch better outdoors in hard light. The postwork I dont know anything about. Once I went with HLG on a drone... It didn't went any good and since then I has been afraid to use it. But with your test I will try it again on booth GH5 and S5. In your case .... with that look .... I dont know what will helpes you 😂 continue with the jokes without any excuses. You are good enaugh.🤗 and turn down the bakground music. Its not needed.
Thanks - give the HLG another shot!! Music will be turned down or off from now on. I agree - when I uploaded it I found it way to loud. Oh well, perfect is the enemy of good!! 😀
it looks like you're underexposed in the indoor shot? maybe it's just my eyes
It’s probably the fact that the background is dark on the indoor shots. The exposure on the face is the same the shots, but with the sunshine - the whole background is bright. I actually just bought a new light for the background because I would prefer it to be brighter!!
Can you replicate this using a Ninja v
If you mean can you do the same thing using a Ninja V - the answer is yes. The footage is identical. But if you are asking to see the process through the a ninja V - then it’s basically the same as this video I recently posted: czcams.com/video/1L5tsRPqSCA/video.html
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis yes indeed
@@datamedicpr but remember to turn the “legalize” button to ON when using V-Log.
VLOG for me
Thanks for the input, Chris. V-Log is my weapon of choice too 😎
V-log l is more Cinematic whereas HLG is more errrr Videomatic!
Haha. Videomatic!!
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Y’see what I did there?
Also I have C3-3 set to record in Natural Profile specifically for Low Light situations whereas I use V-Log l on all the other settings
@@colinthecameraguy Smart. I generally don’t have shoot in low light, but I should have it ready in case I get into that situation. You prefer Natural over the Cine-D for that I guess??
@@MarkBennettCameraCrisis Cinelike D would be better than Log in low light but, among the Cognoscenti/Geeks, Natural is considered to be best in really low light 🤷
@@colinthecameraguy sounds like the topic for another video - thanks!!