I was curious as to the folded dimensions of the Birdy. I agree the new monocoque frame does look like it is more compact than the old/new classic frame but according to Pacific Website the folded dimensions are actually larger. Old style frame - 62 x 33 x 72 cm /New Style frame 60 x 39 x 72 (R20 model)
I had a Birdy for 5 years and I always avoided folding because folding as well as unfolding is a pain in the a..., not only physically uncomfortable and mechanically difficult and anti-intuitive with no snaps, but also dirty fingers are guaranteed as you have to fully grab the fork by hand, always with brake dust on it. Furthermore, even though the folding size of a Birdy compared to a Brompton is not so much bigger than other "folding bikes", it is still some 30 % more in length and depth which is enough to make it impossible being carried into a bus, and even very crowded metros/trains become problematic. There's a reason why Brompton is so successful compared to Birdy even with a decades lasting lack of innovation in weight, gears and tires.
Luckily I am not an old fart needing an e-bike to get up to speed. So I am quite happy with my Birdy and would never go for a Brompton with its outdated and unreliable tech. Just thinking about breaking this monstrosity down a steep hill with rim brakes made for childrens's bikes gives me the creeps.
Wait... Did you know that Birdy is coming out with a new ebike, the MOOVE, with a mid-drive BOSCH Performance Line SX motor, with 600 watts and 55 Nm of torque? Together, the battery and motor will weigh slightly under 9 pounds. Just imagine if the MOOVE had a Rohloff hub also. I know that Birdy has a Rohloff version so may they can couple the BOSCH motor and Rohloff hub together. This could be the future. Imagine a titanium version too.
Why are you comparing expensive toy with bicycle, which is unfair. The expiration of the patent is the best news Because you can buy one made in China for less than a third of the price.anyway its performance is shit You're just folding for convenience, right ?
I never thought I would want an ebike but you're giving me second thoughts. A 50 mph Brompton ebike with Rohloff hub! Crazy!
It only weighs 60lbs.
The Brompton's suspension consists of an exceptional ability to make tight turns around objects in front of you.
I was curious as to the folded dimensions of the Birdy. I agree the new monocoque frame does look like it is more compact than the old/new classic frame but according to Pacific Website the folded dimensions are actually larger. Old style frame - 62 x 33 x 72 cm /New Style frame 60 x 39 x 72 (R20 model)
The new frame is smaller but thicker. The difference is minimal.
@@SmallWheelWonder Thank you
Excellent balanced view of the two brands
I'm trying to imagine hitting any kind of road irregularity, much less a pothole, at 30mph in a Brompton. ** shutters **
Now also looking forward to reading the book.
Thank you! That was educational and awesome.
I had a Birdy for 5 years and I always avoided folding because folding as well as unfolding is a pain in the a..., not only physically uncomfortable and mechanically difficult and anti-intuitive with no snaps, but also dirty fingers are guaranteed as you have to fully grab the fork by hand, always with brake dust on it. Furthermore, even though the folding size of a Birdy compared to a Brompton is not so much bigger than other "folding bikes", it is still some 30 % more in length and depth which is enough to make it impossible being carried into a bus, and even very crowded metros/trains become problematic. There's a reason why Brompton is so successful compared to Birdy even with a decades lasting lack of innovation in weight, gears and tires.
The Birdy is a great bike, but it emphasizes performance over foldability.
Hi there! Do you have any plans on reviewing the new-ish Btwin 1 sec? The one that allegedly folds/unfolds in a literal second
I have never seen it.
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How does the brompton Block hold up with all the weicht of the battery resting on it?
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Luckily I am not an old fart needing an e-bike to get up to speed. So I am quite happy with my Birdy and would never go for a Brompton with its outdated and unreliable tech. Just thinking about breaking this monstrosity down a steep hill with rim brakes made for childrens's bikes gives me the creeps.
It looks like Birdy owners can be just as defensive as those of the Brompton.
@@SmallWheelWonder possibly, but he's not wrong, factually speaking. Brompton ain't a lot of bike for the money...
@@kennethg9277 Yes, I did overspend to get a certain effect.
Wait... Did you know that Birdy is coming out with a new ebike, the MOOVE, with a mid-drive BOSCH Performance Line SX motor, with 600 watts and 55 Nm of torque? Together, the battery and motor will weigh slightly under 9 pounds. Just imagine if the MOOVE had a Rohloff hub also. I know that Birdy has a Rohloff version so may they can couple the BOSCH motor and Rohloff hub together. This could be the future. Imagine a titanium version too.
That's a Pacific creation, not a genuine RM.
@@SmallWheelWonder Yes, it's confusing. Pacific Cycles vs. Riese & Müeller, both making Birdys. Is there a difference?
The Moove is not a Birdy bike. It is Pacific's own label.
Why are you comparing expensive toy with bicycle, which is unfair. The expiration of the patent is the best news
Because you can buy one made in China for less than a third of the price.anyway its performance is shit
You're just folding for convenience, right ?
You have not watched my other videos on this frame.