MINELAB X-TERRA ELITE VS NOKTA TRIPLE SCORE UNMASKING TEST
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- čas přidán 30. 06. 2024
- A look at the unmasking capability of the Triple Score and ML Elite.
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I can see the XP engineers drinking heavily right now. Rivalry between Nokta and Minelab is creating some great machines at very reasonable prices. Without Nokta putting pressure on you probably wouldn't be seeing these changes so fast. Great test!
XP was too worried about a wireless coil and their master kit to realize ML and Nokta were killing it with the multi id software.
Welcome Steve. Agree on the pressure from Nokta.
I agree too
Iffy any news when xp may bring out the HF coils
Which are for the ds2
Incredible how technology has been involved! Especially on that price scale! Well done to Nokta and Minelab! Thank you for a great video Iffy. Kind Regards from Maputo Mozambique Africa.
Thanks Nicky!
Thank you sir for the new challenges you're making for the machines . The comptition is good for us
Welcome!
Thanks Mike. I am surprised to see them out perform the Xp!!!!
Welcome Bill 👍
in what way by calling everything a pull-tab lol
I’ve been swinging my Minelab Xterra Elite (Expedition Pack) for a little more than a week and it has blown me away with the capability it has for the price paid. Has everything I need and performs above par, and then some...
Agree 👍
Что же там удивительного, урезанный Эквинокс.
@@user-ny2qj6mu2r Which Equinox are you referring to, becuse there is a difference among them now. Otherwise, you’re wrong. Insiders have said the Elite has the Manticore processor and chipset, which seems to be the case just from the time from power up to search ready compared to the Nox600 I used side-by-side with it. It would also mean it would allow the software to process the signals faster, and that would have a bearing on key software features/settings.
For me, I really appreciate and enjoy the nice fluty tones of Minelab detectors because I find it far less jarring and stressful sounding than the other two detectors.
Definitely nice tones.
Super test, Mike. Thanks for sharing. I'm looking forward to a test garden shootout with these 2 machines.
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the comparison, Mike. These new machines are looking great!❤
Welcome Cynthia!!
Heck yeah Mikey 💯💯 awesome test my brother 🤟💯
Thanks Juice! Happy 4th
Wow . Awesome non bias test video between detectors.
Thank you!
Really great video and some incredible results! Thanks for sharing Mike! Great info!
Thanks Chris. Happy 4th!
@@IffySignalshappy 4th to you also!
Great test Mike, thank you! This is why I swing a different machine every time I go out. As much as I love my D2, I never considered it the be all, end all ............. I can see an Elite in my future to add into the mix. Thanks again Bud!
Welcome Jay! Happy 4th!
You won’t be disappointed! I went with the Xterra Elte Expedition Pack that includes both the V12X and V8X coils and ML85 wireless headphones. I purchased an extra lower shaft to mount the V8X on for quick coil swaps when needed. I plan on bringing it out to the woods soon, so I installed a new proper screen protector and bought a case coverfor the control head to keep it protected. It’s my go to detector right now!
Thank you for showing us the two machines
Welcome.
The Triple Score and the X-Terra Elite look equal with unmasking, I will decide after the go head to head in the depth test. I don’t need all the refinements the Legend or Equinox have, I want simplicity.
Great video
Thanks Chuck
Both machines "Killing It" ! Nice test Thanks !!!
Welcome
A great comparison and video. That XTP Elite and Score3 are really really close. Thanks for this video.
Thanks Mike 👍
Exciting times in the detecting world at the moment, plus noktas deal on the triple score with two coils is gonna be hard to beat!. It would be an interesting test to see how the manticore fairs against the two new kids on the block!. Another well presented video iffy!
Thanks Pete!
An excellent lesson presentation.
Thank you.
Great vid Enjoyed watching
Thanks Tom
Great job as usual iffy.
Thank you.
Nice work Iffy. Sure makes it hard to decide. The small icons on the noktas and the fact they wont make a 6" coil has me staying with minelab.
Thanks!
Хорошая работа,спасибо👍
Welcome!
I really dig these test you do.. Awesome .. Happy Hunting. Peace
Thanks bud. Happy 4th!
@@IffySignals Happy 4th My friend...
I like see the vortex in your test garden 😊
Me too!
I have a Deus 11 and just received the X-Terra Elite and will check it out tomorrow on parks/tot lots. I bought it for a backup for my Deus 11. After watching your video, I may have it all wrong. The Deus 11 may be the backup. LOL
Good luck with your Elite 👍
Awesome test thanks. Both Great Machines 👍👍💯💯💯
Welcome Dan
If only square nails were hot glue to wood 😅 awesome test both are great machines, Thank you Iffy for informing . Keep Swinging 😊
😆 thank you.
Great video iffy
Thanks you Martin.
I like them machines'thank you for them with us.
Welcome Jimmy
Ευχαριστώ πολύ!
Welcome
Both great machines - more menu options with the Score 3 and non-proprietary bluetooth headphones makes the difference for me.
Good points Toby 👍
Great test Mike, what a job Nokta and Minelab did on these budget machines. I don't believe you could get the Xp to come close to hitting those targets that these machines did at a 1/3 of the cost for the Xp😂😂😂
Thanks Mike!
That was fast I was expecting a week before this video came.
Could not keep you waiting Mr. Reaper.
Thank you for your test!! You’re one of the 3 people I trust with testing. I Do have a couple of questions. I noticed in a past video you showed the D2 improvement going from v71 to 1.0. What’s changed since then? The test? Also how does the manticore do in this test? Thanks😃
Hi Paul, yes the tests are getting more difficult. 1.0 was an improvement. 1.0 filters were causing allot of frustration for people so the next update reverted it back in most programs. Now the other companies are improving further.
Thanks, you just made any future purchasing decisions even tougher, LOL. Great video and test though, Gotta Love It!
Sorry about that 😆
I actually think he made it easier for many. I’m loving my Xterra Elite Expedition Pack...
@@Stack_Silver Nice! I'm a 600 swinger, so may need one of those expedition packs for the wifey!
Blimy mate , xp need to get in gear , especially with it supposedly being “best unmasker” , brutal performance from minelab and nokta, along with the price , great for us detectorists
Lets hope they do. I have two full D2 setups!
Incredible , This is a good look at someone that knows how to use the machine can do. It’s funny because I see a lot buy them and go out one or two times and just put it in the closet .
Thanks lucky 👍
Thanks
Welcome
Best Hobby in the 🌎
Definitely 👍
I have 9 detectors and considering one more just to make it 10...XTerra and Triple score look about even on these tests..Price is better on the Score but i like the Minelabs audio better..
Definitely need 10. Keep with even numbers haha.
This is to show what a newer processor will do.....the processor in the Xterra elite is the same as the Manticore. Not the 700/900 Equinox series....so in a way the Elite is a "mini" Manticore. I have the Xterra Elite and the had the Manticore they are both equal to depth on the beach. Testing the D2 against the Xterra Elite I haven't found a target yet the Elite will not pick up depth wise. Now the D2 will hit on gold open earrings better than the Elite. But its all about the processor and software that will win the game here. XP probably has something coming down the road that will be mind blowing. Probably just a head unit that is little bigger than the one we have now on the D2 with a color screen all you have to do is put in your current coil numbers and go hunting.....
Color screen.. that would be cool.
Awesome video hopefully you can run the test with a manticore just curious on how will it do.
Thanks Mase
I will run a test with the triple too. The 7,8,9 I D needs to be looked at.
Thanks. 👍
Thanks Iffy, always enjoy. Little disappointed with the Deus2😢
Im sure updates are coming. Hopefully this is part of them.
@@IffySignals I have a D2 and D2 lite so that would be nice. XP was very close to getting a solid ID number with V 1.0, but the falsing on colonial nails was too much. I fear it will have to wait for the XP Deus 3.
@@jaystrongbow6111 hopefully something comes. Its been a while since an update for it.
Great vid the heat is on for XP
Thx Dave!
Great video.
Thanks Jeff
great video
how much better would the Manticore perform on these tests vs the Elite and Triple Score??
disappointed in the Deus 2
thanks
The Manticore can hit them all bit you are raising the upper ferrous limits which is close to the iron range. Same as this test, i opened up the Score and Elite. So they will do it but could/will get some nail popping in the field.
I am sending my Elite back for repair. It doesn't discriminate iron at all and rings up true numbers at the 44/46 on a sweet tone.
I do feel like I maybe rushed into the purchase and looked at the Nokta TS.
Of the two machines, which one would you recommend?
Its gonna be all on features and price. Performance they are neck and neck. ML - larger coil selection. Nokta - features and lower price.
How does the Legend perform on lvl 5 similiar to the Triple Score? I do like the menu layout on the Triple Score better of course alot of the settings we have on the Legend were an after thought and added during updates which IMO make navigating not so great. I'm not 100% happy with the Legend but I just haven't found anything that much better yet. Curious to see how the VX9 performs I will be really blown away if it can pass lvl 4 out of the box without any updates. Coming from using the V3i I really like the VX spectrograph / 3 tier display. I hope it works as well as advertised.
I sold the Legend before Lev 5. Was not happy with the latest update and seemed to impact even regular modes in my soil so i sent it packing.
Concerning the Xp Deus 2, it seems in my tests and observations that the 13 inch coil does better in heavy iron. I can't figure out exactly why. I need to research this more.
Thx for the info. I had that coil for a bit but hardly used it. I only have the 9’s now.
A tester on you tube claimed that a manufacturer told him that they wanted that the detector performed better on so called air tests then they actually did in the ground, I don't know if its true or not but it means that this test(air), doesn't say anything if he is right about it. Iffy this has nothing to do with you're efforts, gr. M.
Thx for the info.
I'm torn?? Both are exceptional machines! If you had to choose which way would you go?
I like them both. Elite has a huge coil selection and the Triple has currently more features and is cheaper. If you like ML audio or menu layout vs Nokta audio and layout. That would be the choice.
Im so torn between these two!! is you had to pick one which would you pick? and would you say the triple score is as powerful as the legend?
Hey Mattie, yes the Triple is right with the Legend for depth in my soil. The Triple is $100 cheaper, a relic mode and has a couple more single selectable frequencies but if you already have a Equinox all of those coils work on the Elite and it has a 99 vdi scale where the Score has a 60. Depth and unmasking are neck and neck.
@@IffySignals i sold my equinox a couple years ago. right now i have no machine. which machine would you personally run if were able to purchase for around the 800 to 1000 ?
Thanks for your reply
Πολύ καλό βίντεο κύριε! Από τους τρείς ανιχνευτές ποιο πιστεύεται ότι ανιχνεύει βαθύτερα μεγάλους στόχους? Ευχαριστώ!
Thanks. The Score due to having a low single frequency.
Θα μπορούσε κύριε το trible score να ανταγωνιστεί σε βάθος το legend και το xp deus 2 ? Με ενδιαφέρει το βάθος σε μεγάλα αντικείμενα και όχι τόσο ο διαχωρισμός σε μικρά αντικείμενα.Σας ευχαριστώ πολύ για τις απαντήσεις σας.
To me Nokta did better to me.Which machine do you perfer? Which one is deeper ? Which one work at beach better? Just asking your opinion. Thanks for demonstration and imformation.
To me the ML did better on a couple and the Nokta did better on a couple. This could have to do with the level of the max recovery set in each/test layout/iron filter. Not sure but both are awesome. I have not been to the beach with either and both are deep and neck and neck in my soil. I have a bunch of Nox coils so to me thats a plus, being able to use a large coil selection of Nox coils. The Nokta has the Multiple single frequencies and the relic mode. Also $100 ish cheaper. Its going to be user preference on those listed above but performance wise they are right with each other.
Should I use my Deus 11 and Elite with my iron volume off until this problem is addressed and corrected
With the Elite its one button. You can make it one button as well with the D2 by making two custom programs next to each other. One with iron on and one with off. I like hearing the iron but there is a benefit to using both. With iron volume off if a ferrous target is popping a non ferrous tone you are not going to get as much info with it off. We see the impact of running it on as the ferrous ID over riding the non ferrous on tougher tests. Having 2 programs on the D2 will make it easy to switch back and forward and as for the Elite its as easy as hitting the horse shoe button.
Witch has the tighter VDI? ......IYHO
Does the Elite have a tight VDI like the 900 and Manticore ?
Thanks...Nice test, Oh and thanks about the info on the coils
Hey, Elite seems to have the edge on depth in my soil. Uploading a video now. The Nokta might be tighter due to having a smaller scale of 1-60. The Elite is through 99 and even negative numbers for iron.
Very interesting test.
As you know I have the Legend & love the machine.
I’m thinking hard about selling my Legend & getting the Triple Score.
My battery is shot on my Legend & I can only use it with the external battery pack.
I’ve contacted Andy & he said I’ll need to contact Nokta & see if it’s still under warranty.
It’s been 3 years at least.
Does the Triple have the 6” or SC15 coil available?
I know the Elite & Triple are neck & neck, but which one would you use if those were your only options?
If the Legend is still under warranty then I’ll just have it fixed, but if not I may sell it plus all the coils separate & buy the Triple Score or possibly the Elite.
I may buy the Vortex 😂😂😂😂
You had me laugh at the last sentence haha. I am really looking forward to testing it. I am not sure about coils. I think there is already a selection of coils for the Score. The Nokta has more features. Maybe updates coming for both we will have to wait and see. Both perform (depth, unmasking) right with each other. Cannot go wrong with either. Sometimes its easy for me to say which one i would pick but in this case its what menu/features/tones/price do you like better.
If your warranty is up on the Legend you can replace the battery yourself quite easily. Just buy one online, crack it open and plug the new battery with the exact same specs in. You'll be back up and running. All of these machines will have battery issues at some point.
Thanks for th3e comparison. Which machine is lighter with the standard 9" coil? I like a lightweight machine. I can swing it longer.
Elite - 2.14, Triple Score - 2.13
@@IffySignals Thank you
Hey mike so i was doin some test with coins just throwin them down on the ground and seein what the numbers say and i found that clad quarters rang up as nickels in any of the muti frequency’s in both park and field but not using just 15 hrz also got correct ids for the beach mode same thing for a simple air test any thoughts ?
Which machine Elite or Score?
@@IffySignals sorry about that i got the single score
@@treasurehuntingnewyork5979 just verified on the Double and Triple Score a US Quarter is 50-51 in multis and Single frequency.
@@IffySignals ok ill make a video of
What i mean not sure if i have a coil issue or if its really bad interference i tried a few different quarters
Si je n'avais pas de Rutus Versa,qui pour moi est la meilleure machine sur le marché, j'aurais acheté le X-Terra de votre vidéo,qui est aussi bien qu'un Equinox 900 que j'ai aussi possédé.
Je voix aussi que de plus en plus de gens se détournent du D2 ou de XP , Parce que leurs machines sont vraiment trop chères.
Thx for the info. 👍
Hi! Why the Triple Score is chattering all time, while two other machines are so pretty stable? 🤔
Emi. It will run more stable in the field. Some machines are more subjective to emi.
Mike how is depth with the triple score,as good as legend?
Same, even the base Score (in clean ground because there is no If) is right with it in my soil.
Awesome video! hope you can help me out just got a manticore and its chatters like if its a hot machine i turned down my sensitivity and it still makes noise gets difficult to detect does the deus 2 have that same issue?
Hey Mase, actually my D2 is a bit more subject to emi than the manticore. Both of mine run stable though. When there is emi they have to be noise canceled or lowered down a bit. If yours is acting up even away from emi (your cell phone could bother it as well) and your sensitivity is down you might need to have it checked out.
hi, thanks for the reply. There’s actually a video of some guy showing a video of a vortex, hitting a coin between nails, and he couldn’t do it on his manticore but I noticed that he has the same chatter like mine. I was curious if that’s how how all manticore chatters and was debating if I should go with a deus 2 instead. video is by treasure detective name manticore vs vortex
Interesting. Looking forward to trying it out.
Which one would you recommend between the legend and the elite?
I like the Elite and Triple Score better.
If Nokta and ML can figure out how to solve the 7, 8, 9 falsing problem I wonder why XP has not? Curious what you think?? Great testing by the way. Thank you!
Im not sure. Hopefully they will. Right now its just my diving machine.
I am waiting for nokta to figure out the constant 33 pull-tab lol
Looking to get second detector. Legend or minelab 800 opinion
I like the 800 more.
Confident the Engineers at Xp are always working on improving their products and there will be more updates in the pipeline?
Im sure 👍
Would the same test with the X-Terra and the Manticore be similar results between the two machines?
Yes, upper ferrous limits needs to be lowered for level 4 and 5. Kind of the same thing as I showed here by running the min IF.
@@IffySignals same tech same result lol
I just want to know how do remember what buttons to push, switching between 3 machines, I can't even remember one, of course I am old.
Luckily both follow the same layout as prior machines.
Can you make a video on the Elite like the Deus 2 for coins with notches. I use the Deus 2 in pitch audio with two notches, First, 7 - 58 and 2nd. 65 - 80. This is a good coin program and It destroys the coins. ? Thanks
Thanks definitely fun notching on the D2. Helps a bunch with pulling silver as well when cherry picking.
Hey mike i uploaded a video of the weird vdi on a quarter so yea just tryin to figure out if theres somwthin wrong or if its really bad interference
Just watched. Sent that to Andy. Machine might have to go back. Definitely does not seem right.
@@IffySignals yea i was hopin that wasnt the case i was really excited about it until i got it and it just never seemed right in any of the multi bands (outside the beach mode)
@@treasurehuntingnewyork5979 Nokta will make it right.
how to odar
Direct from a dealer. Where are you located?
@ iffy signals, please do a deus 1 video
Sorry been a long time since I had a D1.
For that kind of money i really think that D1 is better than the Elite and so on . And there arent any videos of D1 Luke yours , so it would be cool.
@@allarhermas1179 The XP Deus I with headhones and extra coil is $799. The Minelab Elite Expedition Pack is $599. The T.S. is $479. I think the Elite and T.S. are hard to beat for combined performance and value. Many are saying XP may soon be recleasing either a new model or model updates. Maybe worth waiting for? We’ll see...
Why is it that if Minelab and notka can figure this out why is xp struggling to fix theirs?
Hope they are working on it.
XP is taking a long time to fix the 7-8-9 issues for good targets.
Lets hope soon.
I am reevaluating how I will run my Xterra on the beach now tons of iron on mine
Good luck.
Nice test👌🏼 I strictly use Xp products and they better get there machines fixed! I’ll be getting a triple score or X terra! Why not for $479
Not happy with Xp! They should have already had a update to fix this problem
Hopefully they will. The more people talk about it the better chance of an update.
yeah you could be digging 33 pull-tabs good luck
@@mike-jc4wm Don’t be so sore, the competition is good for all...
Thanks Iffy, Deus owes us a refund.
😆
Nice test . BUT I am not ready to trade in my d2 yet. .I'm shore XP is working on an update for the low vdi numbers.. until the update happy hunting.
Agree. Happy hunting.
Well now I just lost confidence in my deus 2.
I have been hoping for an update to improve this. We will see. Also the constant 85/86 falsing (even with a higher silencer) on nails is a pain.
@IffySignals yep. And apparently Brian from southern relics adventures talked to XP and it don't sound like anything will be coming from XP until next year. I'm bored lol!
I might just put it away once my Vortex comes and I'll use that for a while and see how it does.
@@MD-NWWI wow. Yea, he would know.
Xp fan boys wont like seeing this 😂
Im sure they already are in the loop of the 7-9 ID. Ive been saying it for a while.
why
@@mike-jc4wm Spending more for lesser performance (at least in this demonstation here) may be one reason...
Not even close to a realistic comparison. It's a good start. Do a comparison with targets buried in the ground.
Thx for the feedback John. This is a best case scenario of unmasking and iron filter performance. If it cannot do it here (removing soil conditions) its not going to do it in the ground. Even our top companies use baseline tests exactly like this.
@@IffySignals As one who eventually plans to add an XP detector to my gear, I am disappointed to see existing Deus II owners giving you such brash pushback on a fair unmaksing test. Maybe their anger should be directed at XP, not Nokta, Minelab or people like yourself comaring the capabilities of the choices out there.
Why would I dig a 33 which is a pull-tab ?
Thats mid conductor (gold range). Going to miss rings by not digging those.
@@IffySignals ...or miss masked coins like in your video. Or miss coins on edge. Or miss fringe coins. Or miss coins dragged down by other trash. Get the point Mike-jc?
@user-yp1dx5zu9d 👍
@@TylerCohen-o6e If I am hunting in a fairground I am not going to dig all the pull-tabs get the point iffy
@@IffySignals Not hunting pull-tabs or gold rings in a fairground get the point iffy
Nokta newer better waterproof technology, go with Nokta.
I’m kinda leaning Minelab but I’ll wait for the depth test
Thx Dean and Chuck 👍
I wish the companies would be more innovative instead of imitating what the competition does. They do have innovative features but the major features are monkey see monkey do. How about being able to use completely different tones? Like orchestra mode. You get classical instrument sounds for tones. Or mettalica mode. Rock and roll tones. Bird mode sounds from birds. 😆 and damnit, they need to figure out a elemental detector. That can tell you elements and alloys, not guess. It must be possible.
I like it. I would need an 80’s music 🎶 mode. 😆
@@IffySignals yes! New Order tones. Danny Elfman mode! 😃
@@TheKeyDateKid dying goose tones
@@mike-jc4wm whatever desired sound, it should be granted! 😁