Combat Self Defense - TFW Podcast Episode 14
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Thanks for having me on! This was such a great time
Love your channel, Izzo.. I don't have the biggest following but i'd love to be on your show some day!
The whole empty the cup convo is the conclusion i can too but martial art has to be different enough for me to do that. Its so hard to unlearn something that perviously allowed you to be successful.
My experience in Wing Chun was different than most. Our instructor started learning boxing at a park district program in Chicago that happened to be taught by a retired Tony Zale (a great world renowned welter weight from the 50s fighting and defeating many of the greatest fighters of the toughest era in pro boxing). He was not sufficiently athletic to be a stand out in the program so he joined the high school wrestling team and was a average wrestler. He then tried traditional Japanese Karate where he received a black belt but said when he got in a few real fights he found himself jabbing and taking his opponent down and then had no real strategy to finish. He then tried Wing Tsun and it seemed to complete what he was looking for. He still maintains that to really know how to fight its highly advantageous to understand wrestling for the toughness, balance, conditioning and gross motor skills of grabbing a hold of your opponent using head control, hand control, wrist control, body control though under and over hooks, body locks, level changes, leg attacks. Snap downs front head locks, active and powerful hip twisting action etc and boxing to learn how to guage range and manage it, throw punches with power and commitment (hip rotation, snap and a fast return to guard with hands traveling back towards your head on the same of ath, head movement. Eye training so you do not freakout or chase the punches when subtle shifts of the body, quick pivots, ducks and slips allow you to counter and keep you safe.
For him Wing Chun was a system of learning to control the center line, improve touch sensitivity when striking (,Chi Sau is essential for development of this attribute as it is the only way I know that makes Bruce Lee's line in enter the dragon true "when he expand I contract, when he contract I expand and when there is an opening, I don't hit, it hits all by itself".
Although the principal he describes in a philosophical metaphor may be difficult for the uninitiated to understand, it is true to an extent if you are a good wrestler or boxer too. It is the "be like water" metaphor.
When someone sits in a bathtub, the water moves out of the way and is displaced by your body but it maintains conract. When you get up the water fills in the void you leave instantly and the drops stick to you. Point is if you wrestle, grappler or box long enough, when and opponent move in you anglr off, when he moves out you stay on him and when striking and grappling moves have been practiced under varying degrees of pressure you feel your opponents intensions or see them before he engages which creates openings where you then fill with powerful strikes or grappling holds without thinking. You simply flow like water. If you press down on a spring and quickly disengage the spring automatically moves with you .
Forgive my lengthy dialog but my instructor first let us feel the concept by as allowing us to engage him. We then started with learning the techniques of chain punching, how to stand with structure free of tension, how to pivot and punch while simultaneously blocking using Tan Say, Bong Sau, Bil Sau, gann Sau, we did the bong/lap drill. We did Dan chi sao to learn about giving and receiving an equal amount of energy. Once we were semi competent at some attack defense drills, started chi Sau we learned Siu Lim Tao which we did at a moderately slow pace (10 minutes before class, did some bong lop drills start slow and then ratchet up the intensity, then Chi Sau and then Chi Sau fighting where we were not hurting each other but we started across the floor from each other and had to learn to enter safely and create a bridge or connection from which we would either begin a roll if needed or the better guy would find an opportunity and immobilized an arm with pak Sau and come straight up the middle with chain punches. If the first was block with a bong Sau the blocker might try a lop Sau to off balance the guy. The problem was unless the discrepancy in skill was huge, I could usually get Greco Roman Wrestling to dominate the clinch or take the guy down. At that point the so called anti grappling anti wrestling techniques were gone
Let me say this. My friends who were wrestlers and were BJJ players could always win sparring if we wanted to be pricks but, in a bar fight I would much rather have the schools really high level Wing Chun guys with me. Reason: in toe to toe in your face exchanges, anyone, and I mean anyone unlucky enough to step to one of these guys in a crowed bar or club would get torn up in a matter of seconds.
When we were in line at a club, my buddy who was a very high level Wing Chun guy was getting shit from this huge bouncer who was young and by the way he behave and carried himself, had never been in a fight, nor did his build show signs of great strength of power he was a pencil neck, skinny legged dorn with huge delts, a developed upper chest and biceps with a fake tan. While he sat there for literally 2 minutes holding my buddies I'd while allowing all his friends and girls in, starting small talk. Then looking at my friends I'd, my buddy lost and said 'eithet let me in or return my id mother fucker" the bouncer got wide eyed tilting his head to the side like a high school kid who watched to many Mafia films, as he was in my buddy',s face he said "do you know who you're talking to (bam gets hit and crumbles to the ground while the other doorman looked shocked and said guys please leave or we will get the cops involved (they pointed to the 2 squad cars parked across the street. We walked as my buddy snatched his ID off the floor. I saw the guy drop with his nose smashed and have no idea what happened. He apparently just pinned the guys right arm with his left hand at the elbow, and then brought his elbow straight up the middle catching the guy in chin causing his head to fling back and then hit him in the nose and the guy crumbled with a low short left handed punch that he pulled off the guy and quickly snuck it. In. I have never seen anything like it. When I ask him why he said the guy wad getting ready to headbutt him. When I reflected on it the guy was angling his head and I am sure he's learned a few tricks as a doorman.
6 mins in and already love this guy. He is right. And, funny enough, his perspective on, “there is only 3 styles” is the essence of ALL KUNGFU (Yes, Wing Chun included). TI, DA, SHUAI, NA, DAI.
- TI: Kicking / Leg Attacks / Sweeps
- DA: Strikes
- SHUAI jiao: Wrestling
- Qin NA: Standing Locks and Holds
- DAI bu shu: Arresting Techniques / Ground Locks and Holds
(Also including Di Shu Quan, Ground Fighting)
I was taught.. traditionally, every bit of the curriculum you learn of ANY KungFu style / system… you should be filtering it through Ti, Da, Shuai, Na, Dai. This was the old military mind set. As a Very pragmatic culture, they tried to take 1 movement and use it to train many things simultaneously. Man Sau + Wu Sau is the peasant soldier holding his two Butterfly Knives or his rattan shield and single butterfly knife. The pivoting shift comes from Luk Dim Boon Gwun. All the arts who were around that Qing conflict era have Lik Dim Boon Gwun (by that exact name).. Wing Chun, Hung Ga, Jooklum, etc. It’s actually a spear driving movement.
Xing Yi does this very well, the movements apply to the blade equally as much as the hands. One of the reasons Xing Yi was widely popular for personal and caravan security. As well as, when China began having MMA matches in the 1920s and 30s.. the two styles that did best were Shuai Jiao and Xing Yi. All the other finalists were Muay Thai (Nak Muay). The winner of the first inter-style tournament was Shuai Jiao Wrestler, after he picked the Muay Thai fighter up and slammed him breaking his arm. BUT he took so much damage that he started training striking afterward. Most of the Xing Yi practitioners began training Western Boxing. Also, Shuai Jiao practitioners went to study Judo and Sambo to learn how it might counter them. All this lead to the Military San Shou movement, which today is now called San Da - which is a blend of Tai Chi takedowns, Shaolin Wushu, Shuai Jiao, Boxing and Muay Thai.
In the 1980s, the Shou Bo movement split off, which including all range combat competition from striking to grappling. This was a few years before Chute Boxe (1978) and many years before UFC (1993)
I'm really glad you have Coach Rowland on. I've followed him for some time now. Rowland can cut through the BS and give an in depth analysis on the realities of fighting compared to styles offered by various martial arts.
Tfw is awesome! You keep getting great quests and surprise me every time!
Nice ✨️
Izzo gets Mr. Miyagi'ed..... this is why I like Dom and subscribed!
I've been saying for years, all martial arts deal with "same" things; grappling and striking, how you reach the point of expertise is where styles exist, met many wing chun people who fight as good as mma guys, and aikido guys that grapple good as judo guys...
How's Alex Richter meaner than you lol I'm a huge fan of both of yours but Alex just gives smart ass answers sometimes but hes gotten very pc to keep his monetization lol
MMA is separate. To me mostly due to mentality. It’s a GYM culture. It’s not a Kwoon / Dojo culture. Wrestling, Boxing, MMA, Kickboxing. I find, in conversations, when I suggest MMA or other things to Traditional Martial Artists.. their biggest resistance is NOT the system or the curriculum. It’s the mentality. They don’t feel, “at home,” in the same way at an MMA gym. Hopefully something like KUDO could bridge the gap. I normally switch my suggestion from MMA to Muay Thai in that conversation, and I explain that though it is a sport.. there is still much of a traditional, respectful feel in many schools. It’s not just “kickboxing.” Same for many BJJ schools. And definitely for Judo. That normally gets them to at least TRY a combat sport and to start to learn that Coach relationship and how different it is from the more familial Sifu / Sensei relationship. Once comfortable, then they can transition into MMA
(This separation in TCMA was done purposely. In the 1940s they PURPOSELY held a meeting and debated it. It was ultimately decided to push FORMS and separate out combat and combat sports. Even at the Sports University level… Tai Chi, Kung Fu, and Combat Sports were all separated. It’s to the point now that Shuai Jiao is not even considered a part of Martial Arts. Tai Chi focus on Health, Kung Fu focus on Forms and Gymnastics, and then the Athletes were funneled towards Wrestling and San Da. And in all of the above, actual combat was to be reserved for military and police)
Year 1 ufc was a Gracie exhibition....
Thought it was a waste of my pay per view money...
Was completely turned off
yeah Kajukenbo requires some other martial art training for them to earn advanced belts ...but usually those students dont reveal that to the new art or teacher.. so personally i taught a guy who hid that from me.. what a waste of my time for 2 years i taught that guy so he could just earn his flippin belt and take the knowledge back to his dojo.??. so thats like training a spy.. kinda like martial art espionage. Kajukenbo the art of stealing martial arts.
Seems to be no sound??
It happen to me as well. Jump off u tube then jump back on . Then mine working again
Thank you 👍@@brianrahuba6919
If you're "not angry with anyone", you're a liar.
You can't think of any good white boxers? The heavyweight champion of the world is white (Tyson Fury). Working class England and Ireland have great boxing traditions. So does eastern Europe (especially Ukraine and Russia). Certain cultures do bend towards certain martial arts, but its not always a simple as whites wrestle and minorities box.
So the guy never did chi sao. He has no knowledge or input to say about Wing chun. Never even touched the surface.