Installing Catalina on an Unsupported Macbook - is it worth it?
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Macbooks older than 2012 no longer support the latest operating systems from Apple. In this case I use a 2011 Macbook air and the Dosdude1 catalina patcher to force upgrade it to Catalina!
Do you want to run Catalina on a 2011 Macbook air, Macbook pro 15 or Macbook pro 13? Check it out!
This video introduced me to three finger drag and I thank you very much for doing so.
Curtis, thanks for your tips. As an hint: Install a 1 TB SSD. Install 2 sticks of 8 GB each, PC3-10600MHz, DDR3L memories. It will become blazing fast!
I have 2 A1278 - early 2011 (my wife's)!
Will benefit from an SSD upgrade but the RAM in MacBook Air's are soldered so that isn't really possible
@@braddersj3511 You are of course right. I failed to mention it was for the MBPs, as it appears to me that most questions from viewers here are related to MBPs.
@@jovial469 But the video itself is about the MBA...
@@holton345 yes
Did you update to Catalina? I have the same configuration as you suggested on my MBP Later 2011 and it works great, so not planning to change my laptop yet, but some of the software that I need to work, it requires the latest version of macOS.
For the 2011 models, it could run the OCLP Big Sur since it was the lasts models to run it while the 2014 could be running OCLP Monterey for it since the final updates are on macos Big Sur..
I had to install this onto a 2011 13” MBP because I was unable to buy Logic on another system (using Mojave) because I couldn’t actually purchase Logic Pro on anything under Catalina.
Turns out I really enjoy it!
You can only download and buy apps on current supported os’s
Very useful Curtis. Great guidance.
I believe that they actually forced the catalina patcher to use OpenGL as opposed to metal to run on these older machines.
Interesting! Well, it works pretty well (probably until after Bug Sur)
I managed to use the Mojave patcher on a HFS+ formatted (APFS very hardware demanding) old mbp. Working great with RAID 0. But Catalina, I'm not sure...
Heres my guess on what will happen with the mac os support and the Apple Silicon transition. The Apple Silicon transition will probably finish in the middle to end of 2022. Whatever mac os comes out in late 2023 will probably be the last to support intel. Then the mac os that comes out end of 2024 will not support intel and will be ARM only. This is just my opinion looking at how the power pc to intel transition went, and how apple releases mac os now. So if you buy a mac now, don't expect to get 7 years of updates. Also, when tim cook said they would support intel macs for "years to come" thats very vague. It could mean 3 years, 7 years, or 70000 years, we just don't know. Anyhow, that's how I think it will turn out, but it could very obviously be different. Also, I definitely think apple is going to pull another kind of powerpc thing with apple silicon and make some of the most powerful personal computers. Do you think that apple is going to do that?
I believe you are right, apples chips will be across their whole line in 3-4 years and that is the end of intel updates.
Hi mate, great content! Can you please make a step by step tutorial on how to install catalina to a macbook pro 2011 13”?
i just dowloaded my own self it's running pretty smooth it's kinda easy to install
just install mate
hey what about the 15"? does it work?
I installed Catalina on my early 2009 white MacBook a1181 and so far is doing great
‘My 17” MacBook Pro i7 2.2 (2011), runs great , use it for logic x , Apple TV and email,
@@macgamer1973 does your MacBook 17 2011 has Radeon Graphics? In patcher notes it says it will run slow. Unless you have a late version of 2011 with different graphics. Thanks
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I have a modded early 2011 Macbook Pro 13" 2.3GHZ i5 Intel HD Graphics 3000 512MB - it's moded with 10GB of ram (yes 10), & 1TB SSD. Wondering if it's worth it (and safe) to upgrade to Catalina from High Sierra since they stopped doing security updates for High Sierra.
No it isn't. Keep using high sierra or get a new M1 mac. Even the 2012's struggle with Catalina even though being officially supported. And with 2011, you'd have weird graphic anomalies like transparency issues,menu bar issues,occasional camera and wifi issues and what not. Don't even bother updating. You don't know that High Sierra was the most optimised version of macOS in year after Mountain Lion and Snow Leopard. I suggest please get the base model M1 macbook air. I've personally tested it. You don't need 16 gigs of ram in that device. That's the power of Apple Silicon. It's not as ram hungry as Intel.
Hi mate, great content! Can you please make a step by step tutorial on how to install catalina to a macbook pro 2011 13”? And will xcode work on it? Would really appreciate it. Thanks!
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It runs actually surprisingly well on my 11 inch 2011 MacBook air. However, I haven't tested battery life so I don't know if theres a loss there. The only things that don't work for me are sidecar obviously and the auto light dark mode. Also, the fan gets really loud on my 11 inch even just watching youtube now a days in chrome. Does the 13 inch fan get loud or is that just the 11 inch? Because the 2015 macbook air I used the other day didn't turn on the fan at all unless I ran cinebench or unigine heaven.
My 11'' Macbook Air is quite a bit newer, so it doesn't make much noise, and the 13 gets hotter and louder for sure.. but it is 3 years older. I may actually do a test with removing the heat shields on the inside of the bottom case and adding thermal transfer pads to see if using the bottom case as a heatsink helps with performance :P
I have an 11.6" Mid-2011 MBA (Core i7, 4 GB RAM) that I recently resurrected with a new battery and charger. I would like to get off of High Sierra. I do not like that OS version much (nor did I really like Sierra, either). I liked Catalina a little more, but love Big Sur. (Maybe someday this could work, but Catalina will do nicely right now.) HOW IS BATTERY LIFE on the 2011 with Catalina??????? Thanks!
nice video, I just did this upgrade a few days ago. Not happy my 32 bit apps that I relied on are toast including Garageband, Word and no Logic Pro 10.5.1 upgrade. I'm looking to go back to High Sierra.
Redownload them with the App Store should work did for me
i have macbook pro 13 2010 with 8 gb ram, ssd but core 2 duo, Catalina works good on my MacBook?
can I get some new updates for the 2010 Mac mini?
Catalina doesn’t run much worse on my 2009 15”MBP (5.3) than El. Capitan. Now I’m wondering whether my MBP16 bought three o months ago will have anything like the longevity of the 2009 one.
Well, if we look back to the switch from PowerPC as a guiding like for what it is like when Apple switches architectures... I am concerned for my machines as well. But equally excited to see if Apple can pull off an Arm based consumer laptop. I think this would be a first when it comes to widespread adoption.
Best video on this subject and you've convinced me to grab a mint condition 2011 MacBook air. Question to anyone using the same machine - how's the keyboard for typing for a few hours at a time?
Its quite good, i use it for music production and school work
@@rhonga2k2k dou think it will work on macbook pro late 2011? I will use it for music production also
White MacBook from 2009/10 just struggles. Even I had installed SSD inside, there are just slow downs (I believe it could be because of SATA cable).
Yeah - the core 2 / core lineup of CPUs and their GPUs are really struggling (even with High Sierra). I should have noted that I only recommend this with the i3/i5/i7 lineup.
Greetings, I have a problem with app Zoom, no audio no video permisions enabled, some fix?
Same here
have you tried this on one of the older macbook pros? i have an 09' 13 inch that i opencore patched and put monterey on it... even with an SSD and 8GB of ram it's so slow....
Hey sir am trying to install Catalina on my MacBook Air late 2010 and is show me error like this sign 🚫 during first step. that place on apple logo loading. What is the problem?
Hey, I recently upgraded my MacBook Pro late 2011 (A1286) from High Sierra to Catalina (using Dosdude1 patcher), I tried to run a Zoom session and my camera didn't work (nor for FaceTime or Photo Booth), have you heard of this issue? and do you know of a fix? I tried PRAM reset and a few other fixes, nothing worked. thanks, D
Yes, same here! I tried a command on Terminal and that did not work either! Did you have any luck making that work?
I just bought an MacBook Pro 2011 late. How do I get where I can put programs like Microsoft word and be able to download apps. My current OS is to old. It’s the latest one it can support, supposedly. Do I need to do this ? Please help. Thanks in advance
I know right? I’m guessing the best option is to use catalina patcher while the apps are still available for Catalina. If you have found other options to do this without upgrade pls can you say?
Did u find a solution?
Do i have to take backup just for backup sake….. or does the conputer get totally clean arter update?
Hello i just got my macbook pro late 2011 back to life,i am planning to upgrade it to catalina,,i7 16gb ram 500ssd,,do you guys think it will work fine? I will use it for music peoduction
I tried to run this on my 2011 mbp 13”. It worked just fine but I couldn’t stand the graphical glitches that’d occur. some black lines would appear on apps or sometimes the wallpaper would have lines on them, etc. maybe i’m the only one with this issue.
I was thinking about installing catalina on a 13". Do you get those black lines and graphic anomalies on dark theme as well?? Well if that's the case, I'd rather get the M1 macbook air rather than waste my time on upgrading this old device. What do you suggest? Is Catalina worth installing on 2011 13" or should i get the new M1 mac because currently I'm stuck on high sierra and a lot of apps are no longer supported.
@@TejasviKapur i might have some ram issues to begin with so maybe that’s the cause but even without the graphical issues, it’s sort of not worth it because compared to HS it feels so slow. applications takes so much longer to open and spotlight search indexing takes a while
@@dystop1a293 thanks buddy. No worries I'm getting the base model M1 macbook air today for my mum. I had tested that model in the Apple Store and I was kinda shocked seeing the performance and software optimisation with just 8 gigs of ram. Earlier i was planning on getting the 16 gigs model but after using the 8 gigs one, I changed my mind. It's just blazingly fast.
can I install this on a USB external drive for use on an unsupported device? so I can test run it but go back to current OSX if I need to just by rebooting back to internal drive
Will this be fine in Mac mini 2013?
Man I switched some setting and it turned it into El Capitan and can go back to Catalina...someone help
Silly me, I came on here with hopes that I'd understand and help in making a decision on whether to update my only computer (laptop) Macbook Pro 13in - Mid 2010 mac OS Sierra. I'm not tech savvy but have this since I purchased it for undergrad and returning this week for a masters program.
Is it worth it? Pending question lol
I got the vents cleaned and all that because it was heating up, installed a new battery and we thought an update had taken place but I'm not entirely sure what was updated because it's still Sierra.
Now, do I go for this again? In the video there was a reference to the temperature and vents but I didn't quite understand. Nor much else. Help folks??
If you are looking to upgrade your computer to high sierra? Get this updater: (download linkk in the instructions) dosdude1.com/highsierra/
Install 2 * 8 GB sticks of PC3-10600 MHz DDR3L memories. Then install an SSD. It will fly.
I have MacBook Pro 13 inch Early 2011. I want to update so I can use Final cut (I have already paid for) and Logic too (which works on current Os). Also like to work with Ableton too. Does anyone know if these apps work on this unsupported Mac??
I need to use Aftet Effects and don't know it yet.
can you do a video to uninstall the patch, it fucked up my mac and i havent been able to uninstall it
Wow steve jobs did good on his older macs.
Mine just says Macintosh HD .. 😩 and it won’t install
Hi Curtis I have a 17” MacBookPro Early 2011 and has 16GB memory, 1TB SSD drive, intel HD Graphic 3000 512 + AMD Radeon HD 6750M,
Processor
Hi. Thanks for the review. But is there anyway you could hide or stop the auto patcher when starting up the Macos. Like everytime I restarted my Macbook, the autopatcher always pops out and needs to close. And It also makes my boot time take much longer. I have tried the log in in user account and library but it's still showing from the desktop once newly restarted.
After a fresh install of Catalina I have ùpdated the patch and MacOS but what I wanted to do is to stop the auto patcher to show and runs automatically if I turn the Macbook pro On.
One last question, does the fan in your 2011 MacBook air 13 inch come on if you watch 1080p video? My 11 inch 2011 goes crazy if I use anything other than safari to watch 1080p video so I was wondering if the 13 inch does this as well?
Might be time to replace the thermal paste! Mine seems close to silent overall. Even runs ok with the fan unplugged (oops!)
@@messing-with-computers Thanks. So your 2011 is silent even when watching 1080p youtube with brave (I love brave by the way, but I can't use it on mine (i use safari on my air) or the fan gets too loud ha ha, but I do use it on my 2012 quad core mac mini)? thats interesting. Also, I've noticed that if the machine has been under load for a while, the fan will stay on even after the machine has cooled down, then several minutes after no load and the machine is cooled down, the fan slowly starts to slow down back to idle. I don't know if yours does this too, but I was just wondering that.
Unfortunately I get a no action screen after booting from the usb stick. Mac Book pro Early 2011 13"
Did you hold down the alt (option) key? It would have brought on the alternative for booting.
Will worth install Big Sur on my MacBook Air 13” 2011?
Or which OS is the highest recommended via patcher?
Catalina, Big sur can fuck up your Mac
can this work on may macbook 4,1 13inch 2008 macos lion 10.7.5 to macos catalina? any advice.....do i need first upgrade to high sierra before upgrade into catalina macos..
Not sure if the 2008 will work for Catalina, but you should be able to get high Sierra on for sure!
I updated my unsupported Mac to Catalina but now I want to downgrade to Mojave. I can't seem to get it to boot from a USB disc. I press Option (Alt) key after pressing the power button, but the patch runs and Catalina restarts. How do I get my computer to boot from a Bootable USB disc after having this patch installed?
It’s a month since you posted this, has it been resolved?
@@kemi4786 Yes. The problem was that I didn't have the proper app/patch on the USB drive I was trying to boot from.
I've got a mid 2010 15inch macbook pro stuck on macos high seria, im having trouble running Google chrome and I cant download imovie. Would downloading catalina help with these issues?
I'm also having problems with streaming services on safari which is why I require google chrome
Forget about chrome. Use Microsoft edge,opera or firefox. Chrome is a memory hog.
I have successfully installed the OS Catalina on a 2011 5,1 Mac Mini but for some reason some of the Video Editing Apps like Imovie, Final Cut Pro and Filmora Go keeps on crashing on it. Any idea what’s causing that or a remedy to fix?.
because newer OS require more ram and high GPUs to run properly, programs such as FCP and others that take up alot of memory may crash because OS and Programs are fighting for screen time. computers with i5 Dual Cores will struggle, especially with 4GB or RAM.... (i7 Quad, 8GB RAM recommended)
@@pacboy24 the issues were on Corei7 with 16gigs of RAM. It wasn’t worth it so i upgraded my Mac Mini.
the video card is the issue and will not allow for editing.
Hey sir,
I've the Same Macbook Air maxed out. i7, 4 GB ram. Will it work better than the Base version?
The MacBook Air is pretty underpowered overall. It will run just fine, but nothing much better. Maybe 5-10%
It's not maxed out. You can install 2 * 8 GB stciks of PC3-10600MHz DDR3L memories and an SSD. HUGE difference...
@@jovial469 but the ram is onboard. Is it still upgradable??
@@sakutakun
The RAM is soldered? I didn't know that. I though only after 2012 they would solder ram to the board... Can you post a photo?
@@jovial469 yes the ram is soldered. And sorry I can't post a photo rn. I don't have it now.
Will Catalina run solid on a (Mid 2010) MB Pro 13"? I'm planning to upgrade it to 8GB's of RAM and an SSD.
The older core duo - It might run, but the cpu and gpu in those machines will struggle badly.
@@messing-with-computers can we change those? Is that possible
@@denmarkdiscord1561 - Not for the macbooks, the cpu and gpu are soldered to the board.
@@messing-with-computers another question can we make everything inside MacBook Pro 2010 skin, a new whole board and stuff that have more capabilities than current one?
But if I wanna get Catalina anyway what things I shouldn’t do to mac don’t go overheating or like struggling cause I like the features & looks, and I only have this mac for now therefore I would like to spend money on the board if possible to make it very competitive. I would like to hear what you says sir
I will not "upgrade" my El Captain for Catalina on my Macbook Pro 15 early 2008
El Cap is pretty solid - but the 'Big Cats' had the best Disk Utility ;)
I have plan to install catalina patcher on my Macbook Pro early 2011.. Will I lose my all data after installing that patch?..
Yeah u will
No just do an in place upgrade.
Ive a 2008 Imac upgraded to 6mg ram, still running its native software> want to do this have watched the ms dos guy , but not the greatest user to preform the switch...
Your 2008 has DDR2 memories. Best to stay with El Capitan or Sierra (not High Sierra nor newer). With an SSD, works like a charm!
thank you sir....
was thinking perhaps one of the linux distros as well as doing the ssd, ive just obtained new driverkit and suction cups...its el capitan presently
@@brap7551 DO you have the Linux drivers to match your iMac hardware? And what do you mean with suction cups?
installed on my MacBook Pro 2009 (15 inch) - some apps won't launch. is there a fix?
Which apps? The 2009 might have an older gpu too... which makes this much trickier.
32 bits apps do not work better stay in Mojave
@@mimouli I presume it's an A1286. It can take 2*8 GB sticks of PC3-10600 MHz DDR3L. Highly recommended. Install a 1 TB SSD. Do not install newer software than Sierra. Sierra is the only OS that still uses HFS+ file system. Install Sierra with the Sierra Patcher from dosdude1.com
i have a mid 2009 macbook pro, i upgraded the RAM and HD. EL Capitan is currently on it. spec wise: it currently has 8Gb RAM and a 500Gb SSD, i should be able to run High Sierra on it, right?
Nope. High Sierra and later have file system APFS, which is very demanding to older hardware. Stay with Sierra.
You can still install High Sierra on a Mid 2009 13" MacBook Pro no problem. The 9400m has drivers in that OS that fully supports 720p 60fps and 1080p 30fps video formats.
EDIT: I forgot to add that if you have 8GB of Ram and a decent sized SSD, you are set.
@@jovial469 Dos Dude patcher installs on HFS+ without changing drives to APFS in my experience. So I don't think that is an issue. However, I did have trouble with Mojave on it without having any APFS support.
@@DDStuff cool thanks. Im not familiar with these "patcher" techniques. I only found out about them like a week ago. I'll check out ddos's patcher for High Sierra and give it a try. If it dont work, I'll just back up my system and put El Capitan back on it.
@@dashdigital5869 I have both El Capitan and High Sierra on my older MacBook Pro for software that is no longer supported in Catalina. Adobe CS4 on El Capitan works perfectly on it. High Sierra for other things like games and web browser support.
EDIT: If your drive is big enough, you can have two partitions on it and switch back and fourth between OS's. Saves time and the hassle of reinstalling an older OS and such.
Just don't delete anything while adding a partition if you go that route. Look up a few guides for having multiple OS's on a single system.
will it work on my 15'' mid 2010 macbook pro?
i have 10.13 high sierra right now but i cant get any apps without it being updated to OS 10.15 ahh
I’m stuck on the patches updating dyld shared cache went get past that bit can anybody help thanks
are you still stuck on it?
I have a MacBook Pro early 2011, 2.3 GHz intel core i7 with 4 Gb ram. May upgrade the ram to an 8gb or 6gb next month. Will Catalina work on this ?
yes should be fine, i installed on my mid 2009 with 4gb ram was a little slow to start upgraded the ram and its working fine now
The issue with the 2011... is going to be the out of the box Video Card. You will want to have a fallback if it runs poorly, cause everything I have read is that if you disable the radeon GPU things will work better than if the radeon GPU tries to act as the primary video card (unsupported as hell in catalina)
@@messing-with-computers I'd just updated my late 2011 MBP to High Sierra three weeks ago without any issues. Kinda apprehensive of bumping it up to Catalina especially hearing that the GPU must be disabled.
@ Corey Squires, Once you installed High Sierra, your file system changed from HFS+ to APFS. APFS is good for newer hardware, but is especially demanding with older hardware. Do some research, there is a way of keeping HFS+ as the file system. I made a usb loader with Mojave, then used it as source to install in HFS+ according to those instructions (can't find it anymore), and created a RAID 0. So, now, I have Mojave in HFS+, with RAID 0 configuration. It's freaking fast, mine is a mid-2012 15 inch MBP.
For your MBP 2011, if it's a 13 inch it will be an A1278, if it's a 15 inch, it will be an A1286. These models from 2011 (unlike 2012) use PC3-10600MHz memory RAMs. The 2012s use PC3-12800 MHz memory RAMs. My first advice, install 2 sticks of 8 GB each, PC3-!0600 MHz, DDR3L ("L" for low voltage - 1.35V), then install a 1 TB SSD (they're cheap now), and only then do the installation of the OS. You will see a huge speed gain, especially if you manage to keep the HFS+ file system.
I had Catalina on my Mid 2012 MBP with 16 gigs of RAM and a SSD and it still struggled. Mojave ran best on it.
Did you deactivate the dedicated gpu? That sucker is the problem.
@@messing-with-computers I did not. Unfortunately that MBP died on me just recently. I got 7 years out of it so I can't complain lol.
I have a mid-2012 15 inch A1286 running Mojave on HFS+, in RAID 0 configuration, and I can switch back and forth betweeen HD4000 and dedicated NVidia GPU. No issues here.
will catalina run smoothly on a macbook pro 2010 ?
I wouldn’t. That is a core duo model. Maybe high Sierra at the max.
I have 10.5.8 How do i format and can install this patch for the new mac OS?
2009 imac 20 inch core 2 Duo 2.66 2x1GB 320 GD SD
Hey William, you are likely going to need to get upgraded to.. El Capitan or Sierra before then moving to Catalina.
Does it work on Mac Pro is is it the same thing as Mac air ?
It will work on the 13 Macbook Pro the same way. The 15'' you have to disable the built in Radeon graphics card, which I don't have one of those laptops to test on at the moment.
@@messing-with-computers how to upgrade late 2011 macbook pro high sierra to catalina. Please help me to do that. Thank you.
when i tried it stucked on the apple logo for hours
Interesting - what mac did you try it on?
@@messing-with-computers it was a 27 inches 2011 model
@æschylus you don't need to install unofficially. Your 2012 mac is officially supported. Although Catalina will be the last supported OS for that device.
The patcher has a very problematic issue czcams.com/video/pL8LT8eaRcs/video.html (not a rick roll its serious)
Can i install this in macbook air mid 2011
Don’t see why not! I think that was the exact machine I used.
Curtis Gross are u using catalina in macbook air mid 2011
will catalina run smoothly on a mid 2012, 13 inch macbook pro?
The 13 should be OK to install Catalina! I think it will run just fine.
@@messing-with-computers what do you think about macbook pro mid 2012 15inch core i7 2.3 ghz, 8gb ram, 250 SSD...
@@karoltedchan4230 if you can get a screaming deal, like under $175 go for it. But the older machines, older than 2015 or so, are really showing their age in any new software application. Even when running Linux. I had to retire my 2012 Mac recently, was just too prone to stalling when multi-tasking at all.
@@messing-with-computers I see, thank you brother. do you have anylink how to upgrade my high sierra to Catalina?
@@karoltedchan4230 - check out the DosDude patcher! That is the #1 way to make it happen: dosdude1.com/software.html
what a weird intro 😂
Man. you're all over the freaking place.