I was very surprised when Rex called Alvis "Heartless machine" considering his relationship with Pyra and Mithra. It just doesn't fit in my head how he could say that.
Maybe Rex was at first nice and trying to help alvis at first, but the maybe he killed some of his friends or something, or maybe he killed pyra and mythra
Those were Rhodes and Ortiz and it's said that what was strange about them living to 80 is that they were originally Flame Clock/tattoo soldiers that the other founders liberated, much in the same way Guernica does to the main party. The technology they used to remove their term limit might have been lost or it may have had something to do with Alvis' appearance.
I love the deference to Luxin in the Xenoblade community. We've got a lot of great people like yourself who make great content and have fantastic ideas and theories, but we all know that Luxin is just on a different level entirely. I love this video, man, I definitely think you cleared up some stuff for me that I was still unsure of!
After watching Wave 4 of Xeno 3 and screaming very loudly, I went back to the Founder's place in the city, and clearly, the statues from house Cassini and House Reid are indeed Rex and Shulk, although the description states that those statues are not from the Founder's themselves, but their mentors. They loved their mentors so much, that they dedicated those statues to them. When playing the game, I've already assumed that the first Ouroboros could be the guys from Xeno 1 and Xeno 2... but I'll have to wait and play the DLC when it comes out. I'm honestly more hyped for this DLC than Zelda TOTK hahahaha Oh, I also hope that this DLC will be as big and expansive as Torna was, to be released as a Standalone game. After seeing some... spoilers that dataminers have dug up, I'm sure that it'll be BIG.
To be honest Rex and Shulk live longer is explainable with little hints in the XC3 world.. With "Science in" Shulk can make him self and Melia to live longer and maybe live a million years old like Klaus.. Rex can also live longer if he became blade eater or just use Nia to make him live longer.. But Shulk and Rex is definitely not in character there maybe something terrible happen to their friend that make them like this.. Shulk in XC1 hates Klaus when he extend his life for his own gain but Shulk still does it anyway in XC3.. And Rex called Alvis heartless machine when he literally marry Pyra and Mythra, but there a high chance that Alvis killed both of them and make Rex this mad..
A detail that you should remember is that the base game stated that people of the city will be reborn in the new world, the worlds will meet again and that no one remembers Aionios. What if second instance of Aionios and everything is happening again, another endless now. Basically it a prequel and a sequel at the same time.
I really think this is a cop out of the game because the situations are gonna be very different so I don't think everything will play out the same and the same people will fall in love. But for this timeline that isn't really the point. If this would play after Aionios in the new world and the new Vandham guy we see is indeed Noahs grandson that would make Shulk and Rex significantly older than what they look like in this teaser. But if you mean that they are stuck in loop of Z appearing everytime I really don't think so but if it's true you will be remembered as the prophet of xb3 lmao
@@SuperSavajin I think he means to day that visions of aionios would make the timeline different from aionios. It's not impossible because we don't actually know ,and are never told the "state" of the world's outside of aionios ever (Except maybe FC? , but nothing about alrest) this could be the process of remerging, perhaps this eternal recurrence is inevitable but aionios will help change the outcome the 2nd time around,this world is obviously not aionios.I think some people belevie this because of melia suggesting the city pepole are "future lives" implying they must be created at some point in the future even though it is logistically impossible in the present. Of course, the moment we see mobius N this theory falls apart but I would find it quite interesting.I think this theory qould be a cool twist to give the story some stakes, but I think it's more likely we will get an aionios section and the story will shift to a post aionios section over the course of events.
The thing about the aging could make sense in 2 ways. Characters that have somehow entered Aionios from the old world don't age due to the frozen time and we only see Shulk, Rex, Nia and Melia czause they were involved with Origin. That or both Rex and Shulk are trapped/captured in Origin by Moebius and being used like Melia was, hence why she also hasn't aged because they're keeping them all in stasis to power and control origin (idk origin can make aionios I'm sure it can keep people from aging). Another crackpot theory I have is that maybe we don't see other old characters because perhaps only the kids of the current generation ie those of kevesi/agnian soldier age or younger were taken to be put into the cycle. Might explain why Rex is so mad if his kids were taken seeing as we know at least Mio was. If we wanna get really Xenogears about it it could be some maternal/paterntal instinct manifesting in Moebius among all the combined fears of humanity and it could explain the age range of the soldiers
I have a small problem if this is purely a prequel, as Torna kinda already showed what is needed to make one work... Torna worked for me because i already knew and cared for some of the people i would be playing as, like Addam, Mythra, Jin and even Laura. So even if we know where they end up and where their story was going, it was a good time to see how they got to where we are in 2. The problem this DLC would face is not having Shulk, Rex and everyone else in 3 at all, so when they show up in this DLC, which we know will be the only time we see them, fully in the past, it's hard to get invested in the characters in this setting, since i have no real explanation as to how they connect to it, which is what Mythra, Jin, Malos and Addam did for Torna. So i feel like this DLC needs to also have some gameplay AFTER the end of 3, especially if 3 is meant as the actual ending of this version of the Xeno universe. The end of 3 has a lot of promises to "see eachother again", and i find it strange if they just leave it at "one day, we will see eachother again", and then the series just ends... Both Noah and Mio, as well as Nia and Melia, all talk about finding a way to eventually walk hand in hand again, and i REALLY hope the DLC let's us find a way to eventually connect the two worlds in a safe way... I can live with a bittersweet ending, but when it also sets up a lot of hopeful notions of eventually seeing eachother again, instead of just leaving it at "goodbye forever", i feel the game kinda has to deliver on that promise of seeing eachother again, at least to some degree... I mean, the queens found a way to avoid the collapse of an entire reality, so i don't think it's a stretch to think some Stargate action could be done, linking the two worlds in a safe way...
I always felt like not knowing what the future will really turn out to be was one of the main concerns and plot points for the game. The reason why moebius didn't want to move on. And our main party had to make the hard decision to just hope that everything will turn out to be alright because even tho it's a scary thought this is how it's supposed to be. So if they really showed us the happy ending after the end of 3 it would destroy the magic a bit and the message of the game. They left us with a glimpse of a hopeful ending which is perfect imo. But I can definitely understand why so many people want to see how it turned out even tho the game deliberately made it open ended. And maybe we will see what happens after all in this dlc or even in a future entry. The reason I always wanted a founders dlc was because Aionios has so many open questions and if we move on we will never return to get answers. The questions I had about the first ouroboros, lucky seven, riku and what happened to shulk and rex can finally be answered. This dlc will now answer all these questions of aionios while still providing major fanservice stuff and even probably future implications because of what alvis is doing. I think we should definitely trust what Monolithsoft is cooking.
I feel just like you. At the same time, I want a DLC that explores more about the Founders, the City, Origin, the merging of the Worlds and birth of Moebius, but I also want a DLC that tells us what happened after the end of 3, how the characters lived their lives, and if they eventually get reunited again, because, like you said, the story promissed they would be reunited again. Oh, and another thing that I am most curious about, is where the hell the Conduit went, after the events of XC2.
This is a minor thing, but I hope they'll address original Noah walking around the City with a sword with the Moebius symbol on it. Or at least exlain where does that sword come from, since it's basically Lucky Seven.
I honestly think this was most definitely just a error and the sword is getting a redesign. Stuff like that happened in xb2 as well where they didn't have assets for addam and torna
@@SuperSavajin I feel like that would be way too big of an error to not be intentional. Since that Noah did end up becoming N, it makes sense that his sword looks the way current N's does. But there's a lot of confusion on how it exists and its relation to Lucky Seven
@@electricneel No his lucky 7 is a different lucky seven. The artbook shows them side by side and they are clearly 2 different swords. That still doesn't explain the blade weapon having the moebius symbol before he became moebius and was an ouroboros through many incarnations.
@@SuperSavajin Yeah I know. I'm saying that the sword original Noah and N uses are the same one, the one with the Moebius symbol. Different from the red Lucky Seven our Noah uses. But because N was the original Noah and our Noah was given the red Lucky Seven in this current life, it makes sense. As for why he has it back then, we still don't know. It could be because at the point we see him, he has chosen to protect the Endless Now, so his sword has the infinity on it.
@@SuperSavajin They could've just not shown it at all. Everyone on Aionios keep their Blades hidden when they're not using them and its only purpose in that scene was for N to remark he's not good at naming things, which is I assume the reason why it's called Lucky Seven.
The biggest theory I'm curious on is other theorist referencing the developer saying the game of XC3 along with the DLC hints at future games....Like, what specifically? Reincarnation? Multidimensional stories always happening? Origin one day become planet Mira in Xenoblade Chronicles X? Maaaan. I'm hyped for the DLC but also the future beyond it. Also a small part of me hopes we can see Noah and friends one more time in the DLC as a sequel scene before its all over....
@00:38 of your video, That's Fei Fong Wong!!!.. The main character of Xenogears... Same eyebrows, long front bangs with high ponytail, and even his red cloth wriststraps!!! 👁👄👁 Also, look at the shape and color of his Oroborus... It's the same as the " Weltall" mech from Xenogears...
I think that character could be Guernica Vandham. I'm very sure the Xeno games are all from the same "Xenoverse" I mean, XC2 has some strong connections to Xenosaga, The Conduit (Zohar) being the most obvious of them. Maybe, Guernica could be a descendant of Fei...
There's no reason to believe people from Onis or Alrest don't age in Aionios because both Melia and Nia ended up in stasis shortly after the universe fusion. Melia was forced into stasis against her will and Nia entered stasis to hide and regain her strength. So the game explains how both of them lived and why Nia has no hints of flesh eater syndrome despite over 1000 years passing.
@@SuperSavajin but the question is how did Noah and Mio grow up but Rex and shulk, because they were kids when they where in their worlds when X2 and X1 fused. Maybe they were one of the first people to be put in the cycle.
I was very surprised when Rex called Alvis "Heartless machine" considering his relationship with Pyra and Mithra. It just doesn't fit in my head how he could say that.
That tells me that Alvis did something absolutely horrible to make him say that. Something worse than Malos ever did.
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Alvis was never awakened as a blade, like Pneuma and Logos. That made them have feelings and basically live as people. Alvis never had that.
I think about it where Emma so some characters from universe might going to x universe because xc2 dlc was canon
Maybe Rex was at first nice and trying to help alvis at first, but the maybe he killed some of his friends or something, or maybe he killed pyra and mythra
I love how it's the Zelda timeline in the background for the thumbnail
Glad someone noticed xD
Important to note one of the Founder statues says a Founder lived well past 80 but people couldn’t figure out why
Maybe I need to touch on the founders again as well. Because some of the descriptions are really weird.
Those were Rhodes and Ortiz and it's said that what was strange about them living to 80 is that they were originally Flame Clock/tattoo soldiers that the other founders liberated, much in the same way Guernica does to the main party. The technology they used to remove their term limit might have been lost or it may have had something to do with Alvis' appearance.
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I love the deference to Luxin in the Xenoblade community. We've got a lot of great people like yourself who make great content and have fantastic ideas and theories, but we all know that Luxin is just on a different level entirely. I love this video, man, I definitely think you cleared up some stuff for me that I was still unsure of!
One of the nicest comments here. Thank you very much. Pretty much new to making video but I definitely plan on keep going with more to come.
@@SuperSavajin I'm excited to see more from you, keep up the great work bro!
After watching Wave 4 of Xeno 3 and screaming very loudly, I went back to the Founder's place in the city, and clearly, the statues from house Cassini and House Reid are indeed Rex and Shulk, although the description states that those statues are not from the Founder's themselves, but their mentors. They loved their mentors so much, that they dedicated those statues to them. When playing the game, I've already assumed that the first Ouroboros could be the guys from Xeno 1 and Xeno 2... but I'll have to wait and play the DLC when it comes out. I'm honestly more hyped for this DLC than Zelda TOTK hahahaha
Oh, I also hope that this DLC will be as big and expansive as Torna was, to be released as a Standalone game. After seeing some... spoilers that dataminers have dug up, I'm sure that it'll be BIG.
To be honest Rex and Shulk live longer is explainable with little hints in the XC3 world.. With "Science in" Shulk can make him self and Melia to live longer and maybe live a million years old like Klaus.. Rex can also live longer if he became blade eater or just use Nia to make him live longer.. But Shulk and Rex is definitely not in character there maybe something terrible happen to their friend that make them like this.. Shulk in XC1 hates Klaus when he extend his life for his own gain but Shulk still does it anyway in XC3.. And Rex called Alvis heartless machine when he literally marry Pyra and Mythra, but there a high chance that Alvis killed both of them and make Rex this mad..
that didn't sound like rex saying the "heartless machine" line
A detail that you should remember is that the base game stated that people of the city will be reborn in the new world, the worlds will meet again and that no one remembers Aionios.
What if second instance of Aionios and everything is happening again, another endless now. Basically it a prequel and a sequel at the same time.
I really think this is a cop out of the game because the situations are gonna be very different so I don't think everything will play out the same and the same people will fall in love.
But for this timeline that isn't really the point. If this would play after Aionios in the new world and the new Vandham guy we see is indeed Noahs grandson that would make Shulk and Rex significantly older than what they look like in this teaser.
But if you mean that they are stuck in loop of Z appearing everytime I really don't think so but if it's true you will be remembered as the prophet of xb3 lmao
@@SuperSavajin I think he means to day that visions of aionios would make the timeline different from aionios. It's not impossible because we don't actually know ,and are never told the "state" of the world's outside of aionios ever (Except maybe FC? , but nothing about alrest) this could be the process of remerging, perhaps this eternal recurrence is inevitable but aionios will help change the outcome the 2nd time around,this world is obviously not aionios.I think some people belevie this because of melia suggesting the city pepole are "future lives" implying they must be created at some point in the future even though it is logistically impossible in the present. Of course, the moment we see mobius N this theory falls apart but I would find it quite interesting.I think this theory qould be a cool twist to give the story some stakes, but I think it's more likely we will get an aionios section and the story will shift to a post aionios section over the course of events.
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The thing about the aging could make sense in 2 ways. Characters that have somehow entered Aionios from the old world don't age due to the frozen time and we only see Shulk, Rex, Nia and Melia czause they were involved with Origin. That or both Rex and Shulk are trapped/captured in Origin by Moebius and being used like Melia was, hence why she also hasn't aged because they're keeping them all in stasis to power and control origin (idk origin can make aionios I'm sure it can keep people from aging).
Another crackpot theory I have is that maybe we don't see other old characters because perhaps only the kids of the current generation ie those of kevesi/agnian soldier age or younger were taken to be put into the cycle. Might explain why Rex is so mad if his kids were taken seeing as we know at least Mio was. If we wanna get really Xenogears about it it could be some maternal/paterntal instinct manifesting in Moebius among all the combined fears of humanity and it could explain the age range of the soldiers
I have a small problem if this is purely a prequel, as Torna kinda already showed what is needed to make one work...
Torna worked for me because i already knew and cared for some of the people i would be playing as, like Addam, Mythra, Jin and even Laura. So even if we know where they end up and where their story was going, it was a good time to see how they got to where we are in 2.
The problem this DLC would face is not having Shulk, Rex and everyone else in 3 at all, so when they show up in this DLC, which we know will be the only time we see them, fully in the past, it's hard to get invested in the characters in this setting, since i have no real explanation as to how they connect to it, which is what Mythra, Jin, Malos and Addam did for Torna.
So i feel like this DLC needs to also have some gameplay AFTER the end of 3, especially if 3 is meant as the actual ending of this version of the Xeno universe. The end of 3 has a lot of promises to "see eachother again", and i find it strange if they just leave it at "one day, we will see eachother again", and then the series just ends... Both Noah and Mio, as well as Nia and Melia, all talk about finding a way to eventually walk hand in hand again, and i REALLY hope the DLC let's us find a way to eventually connect the two worlds in a safe way... I can live with a bittersweet ending, but when it also sets up a lot of hopeful notions of eventually seeing eachother again, instead of just leaving it at "goodbye forever", i feel the game kinda has to deliver on that promise of seeing eachother again, at least to some degree... I mean, the queens found a way to avoid the collapse of an entire reality, so i don't think it's a stretch to think some Stargate action could be done, linking the two worlds in a safe way...
I always felt like not knowing what the future will really turn out to be was one of the main concerns and plot points for the game. The reason why moebius didn't want to move on. And our main party had to make the hard decision to just hope that everything will turn out to be alright because even tho it's a scary thought this is how it's supposed to be. So if they really showed us the happy ending after the end of 3 it would destroy the magic a bit and the message of the game. They left us with a glimpse of a hopeful ending which is perfect imo.
But I can definitely understand why so many people want to see how it turned out even tho the game deliberately made it open ended. And maybe we will see what happens after all in this dlc or even in a future entry.
The reason I always wanted a founders dlc was because Aionios has so many open questions and if we move on we will never return to get answers. The questions I had about the first ouroboros, lucky seven, riku and what happened to shulk and rex can finally be answered. This dlc will now answer all these questions of aionios while still providing major fanservice stuff and even probably future implications because of what alvis is doing. I think we should definitely trust what Monolithsoft is cooking.
I feel just like you. At the same time, I want a DLC that explores more about the Founders, the City, Origin, the merging of the Worlds and birth of Moebius, but I also want a DLC that tells us what happened after the end of 3, how the characters lived their lives, and if they eventually get reunited again, because, like you said, the story promissed they would be reunited again. Oh, and another thing that I am most curious about, is where the hell the Conduit went, after the events of XC2.
This is a minor thing, but I hope they'll address original Noah walking around the City with a sword with the Moebius symbol on it. Or at least exlain where does that sword come from, since it's basically Lucky Seven.
I honestly think this was most definitely just a error and the sword is getting a redesign. Stuff like that happened in xb2 as well where they didn't have assets for addam and torna
@@SuperSavajin I feel like that would be way too big of an error to not be intentional. Since that Noah did end up becoming N, it makes sense that his sword looks the way current N's does. But there's a lot of confusion on how it exists and its relation to Lucky Seven
@@electricneel No his lucky 7 is a different lucky seven. The artbook shows them side by side and they are clearly 2 different swords. That still doesn't explain the blade weapon having the moebius symbol before he became moebius and was an ouroboros through many incarnations.
@@SuperSavajin Yeah I know. I'm saying that the sword original Noah and N uses are the same one, the one with the Moebius symbol. Different from the red Lucky Seven our Noah uses. But because N was the original Noah and our Noah was given the red Lucky Seven in this current life, it makes sense. As for why he has it back then, we still don't know. It could be because at the point we see him, he has chosen to protect the Endless Now, so his sword has the infinity on it.
@@SuperSavajin They could've just not shown it at all. Everyone on Aionios keep their Blades hidden when they're not using them and its only purpose in that scene was for N to remark he's not good at naming things, which is I assume the reason why it's called Lucky Seven.
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The biggest theory I'm curious on is other theorist referencing the developer saying the game of XC3 along with the DLC hints at future games....Like, what specifically?
Reincarnation? Multidimensional stories always happening? Origin one day become planet Mira in Xenoblade Chronicles X?
Maaaan. I'm hyped for the DLC but also the future beyond it.
Also a small part of me hopes we can see Noah and friends one more time in the DLC as a sequel scene before its all over....
@00:38 of your video, That's Fei Fong Wong!!!.. The main character of Xenogears... Same eyebrows, long front bangs with high ponytail, and even his red cloth wriststraps!!! 👁👄👁
Also, look at the shape and color of his Oroborus... It's the same as the " Weltall" mech from Xenogears...
Oh it's most definitely a callback to the character no doubt.
I think that character could be Guernica Vandham. I'm very sure the Xeno games are all from the same "Xenoverse" I mean, XC2 has some strong connections to Xenosaga, The Conduit (Zohar) being the most obvious of them. Maybe, Guernica could be a descendant of Fei...
@@mariobueno6109 Way too long ago for him to be Guernica. Guernica also fought with a gun Blade, not fists.
There's no reason to believe people from Onis or Alrest don't age in Aionios because both Melia and Nia ended up in stasis shortly after the universe fusion. Melia was forced into stasis against her will and Nia entered stasis to hide and regain her strength. So the game explains how both of them lived and why Nia has no hints of flesh eater syndrome despite over 1000 years passing.
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What if people born before aionios don’t age, but people born in aionios or in the cycle age
Yea this is a very good possibility. It would explain a lot.
@@SuperSavajin but the question is how did Noah and Mio grow up but Rex and shulk, because they were kids when they where in their worlds when X2 and X1 fused.
Maybe they were one of the first people to be put in the cycle.
@@themidnighttrain3045 I think that people from before Aionios that were put in the cycle age but only for 10 years because Z made it like this
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