2028 WRX STI is going to divide the community
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Just a little discussion of what we can expect for the STI in the future. I know we have had a lot of discussions in the past about whether the STI should have been discontinued or not. Also we have discussed at great length the eligibility of the VB WRX in the current Subaru community. I know that sometimes the political side of the world affects the WRX and cars in general. In this video I look at some articles that have tried to speculate what the new STI will be.
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The majority of people who are fans of Wrxs and Stis do not want an electric sports sedan. Especially, given how much money they cost. Don’t even try and build an electric Sti. We can’t afford it and don’t want it.
It's going to come down to price. Many people have expressed "I'll buy a 60k STI" but I don't think I believe that. Well just have to see what comes out.
Yeah you could just get a model 3 performance right now if that's what you want and can afford it
@@HeavyMetalWRXi think that the STi buyer is now a tS buyer. The upcoming STi will be for a new demographic-it will compete with the 60k cars because they will make it “worth” that price. Many of that demo will be former STi owners who have moved on to fancier cars and can now add the STi back into the list because it plays at that level.
@@HeavyMetalWRX that 60 will inflate to 75k
Well said!!
I'm not a fan of a full EV STI, but I wouldn't mind a hybrid STI.
Hybrid would be the best case scenario, tbh.
What if the electric motors sounded kind of loud and amazing? That might be more appealing but if it was too quiet that’s a big part of the driving sensation with the visceral experience. Don’t take part of the sensory away. Not to be rude and inconsiderate but imagine becoming deaf then driving a perfectly tuned EJ with unequal length headers after you remember and were accustomed to the rumble and feel.
@@boosTiMonwhat your asking for is speakers and fake noise. Loud electric motors are a sign of inefficiency and would actively make the car worse.
Imagine a WRX/STI with a boxer engine paired with a secondary electric motor making 400+hp. I'll buy one.
Dude this is where I hope they go.
You can get 400hp without the electric motor and it would be significantly less.
Same dude
Issue with that means bye-bye manual on the STI
All i have to say is i recently drove the new Hyundai Ioniq 5 N and it blew me away! The thing is not only fast but it handles and drives like a regular car. Now if Subaru built that STI with a Hybrid electric motor with at least 400-450hp with a DCT and around $50k i would def buy one! I currently have a 24 BRZ which i love and an STI would be great to add to the stable!
Thanks for shedding light on this
"What makes an STI an STI?" The STI badge, silly! 😆
Lmaoo now THIS will divide the community
Great post! We all are wondering what Subaru is planning. The new WRX has captured positive attention more now than when it first arrived. With that said, even though the STI is an upgraded WRX, its just a different feel and mindset altogether. I think that most enthusiasts have been heartbroken and disappointed that Subaru hasn't made any effort to build one nor address one in the works. I think it's safe to say that if Subaru hasn't any plans to launch any sti in at least the next two to three years, like you mentioned, there are enough aftermarket parts out there that you can pretty much build your own. If you look around, there are many people already doing just that. Personally, I love the STI, and I think Subaru should build one, for this platform. But if they don't, I will still consider buying the 22 + model. Love your CZcams man. Peace!
I think we all will come around just like we did with the vb, i bet the ev is gunna be nuts
Imagine the amount of STIs being bought when they release due to making everyone believe it’s discontinued. Excellent marketing stunt if I’m being honest.
I'm not sure if that will happen. Look at the reception of the WRX. Whatever the next STI is it'll get the same reception if it's overly different.
Just give me the same formula. WRX with a 600hp+ capable transmission, Track ready brakes, nicer seats and bump up the tuning on the engine. Dont charge a stupid amount and i'll buy it.
Idk if they would ever put something like that again. I think they learned and maybe the STIs wereny making money for Subaru
Reasonable thoughts but if they go electric I’d be curious how they’d keep the manual trans. I’m sure there is a way if there is only an electrified component but time will tell. That aside, $60k will be a non starter unfortunately. I can’t see subaru packing enough performance, tech, comfort, to make the price worth it for a compact sedan against anything else you can get at 60k.
I’ve seen a few places stating the tS is replacing the TR which would make a lot more sense than making them both for 2025 since they’re basically the same thing. I haven’t seen a direct statement from Subaru though
Yea I just heard from my Subaru contact that this is 100% legit. It is replacing the TR
@@HeavyMetalWRXI wonder if it was planned all along or TR sales sucked so they added adjustable dampers and the digital dash and called it something else
@@pharmztko form what I've been told it was planned all along. The TR was a stopgap which makes me even more sad about it, tbh.
I own an 05 STI, and a 22 WRX limited. I will add my 2 cents to the pot. There will never be another STI like the early models, even the VA doesnt feel like an OG STI. With that being said, people need to either go get and older one, or simply adjust to the fact that EPA standards, and safety regulations, make it impossible for a smaller manufacture like FHI, to recreate that experience. If a new STI variant is released, be happy it exists at all! Hell be happy they are still making a WRX at this point, because I can tell you right now, the margin of profit on them is slim to none. So start being optimistic instead of pessimistic, because Subaru/FHI could dump the program all together.
Yea this is kind of how I think. I would love a lot of things from the old das to be reproduced but time marches on!
To an STI Fanboy, what makes a WRX STI is subjective.
Looking at the trims over the years, the STI trim has always been slightly upgraded compared to the non-STI trims. The TS now offers some of these, except a power bump and better synchro transmission. The adaptive dampers (which are found in the GT & TS trims) are definitely something the new STI would’ve had if they made a VB version and obviously the upgraded brakes.
This is true. A lot of people want the transmission but tbh most never use the dccd anyway. The argument that they need the LSDs I say "brother, you have never seen a track, calm down" 😂
@@HeavyMetalWRX 🤣 agreed, I autocross my VB and it is great! It honestly comes down to the drivers skills. Most folks will probably never utilize the features as intended that the STI had. Most folks want the badge, the nice looking calipers, a tune to make it faster (which is the reason why I wont get a used STI) and the big wing.
Great channel BTW. Love your content and the stuff you're doing with your car especially taking your WRX off the pavement!
@@HeavyMetalWRXI would use the LSD capabilities almost daily. I agree most wouldn’t use it, or don’t know how to use it, and are probably safer with the open diffs, esp. on the road. But the demographic feeds into this.
I'm putting solar panels on my roof right now as I wait for STE to come out.🤞
Oh damn you are gonna be ready!
I said this in a previous comment but Subaru could not meet the strict regulations set by the EPA last minute for the STI especially since the rumors pointed to the STI being closer to 350 HP so gas mileage would of been atrocious. That said I also noted that I personally believe that 20% stake Toyota is also whats preventing them from releasing an STI as I don't think its coincidence that the GR Corolla came out around the same time as the VB STI would have. Especially since the GR Corolla is a limited production vehicle and its safe to say that a VB STI would of competed with the GR Corolla and Supra and ate up some of their sales and Toyota would not of wanted that. I believe we will get an STI but it'll be some sort of hybrid come 2028 and it will be expensive for sure.
What doesn't make sense is IF the VB WRX came at 350hp it wouldn't have been any less fuel efficient than what we have right now. My 350whp tune gives me identical gas mileage to stock.
To me the ej engine defines the sti, I don't think they ever used an fa in the sti....
RA stands for Record attempt. Like the WRX STI RA edition. E-RA I think was a play on the word era, as in a new era of cars. Thus I prefer the pronunciation E-RAH instead of your E-RAY. Each to their own, just thought I would provoke some thoughts. I wish Subaru would just offer the WRX with the center diff and trans from the old STI. But it looks like this will be up to us to retro fit for better or worse. Thanks for your coverage. You didn't post the link to the partnership. I believe you may be referring to Toyota/Subaru/Mazda where Toyota own Subaru (20pc) and Mazda (5pc).
Oh wow I like E-RAH better than E-RAY. I have faith that we will get a good STI model again soon!
The future for WRX/STi is uncertain, hell, I'd even say the whole sports car segment in general is uncertain. But Subaru as a company probably would still be fine, by just adding hybridization to their already successful AWD SUV lineup - like the new Forrester.
I hate to say it but Subaru has 5 hybrids in the pipeline that will be made in Indiana. I'll keep an ear out for any info
As for the STI, the VIZIV concept needs to be it. Im on the fence regarding full electric. Not having a petrol power plant will hurt, no doubt, but given the state of hybrids and full electric vehicles these days, they would need to use a Toyota power plant to meet EPA regs on a 4 cylinder, or at least, that seems to be the case. Maybe add one to the Corolla GR motor, and dial it back on boost to meet emissions? Im betting the FA24 is barely meeting emission standards out of the factory, and thus the "killing" of the boxer.
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Haha thank you for the support! They did say this platform won't get a STI so let's see what happens.
as for what makes an STI it's mostly just the transmission to me. If there was a trim with the STI transmission i would buy it. the transmission is really the weak point, the FA24 is good enough to make STI-tier power quite easily. all the cosmetic stuff you can get aftermarket np.
that's what a lot of people are saying, but are you really willing to pay like $50k for a TR/TS with an upgraded transmission?
This is what I believe too, just the transmission. When I talked to people at Subaru and the way they built a new STI it was for sure gonna be 60k. Idk why it was gonna be that expensive but I imagine build cost and ROI.
@@orochicc002
I'd have to look at the competition first TBH but I feel an STI at 45-50k makes more sense than a WRX GT at 44k. 44k for an effectively transmission downgrade and some basic cosmetics basically.. IDK. I feel that more people would buy a higher-priced STI than would buy a GT/TS for sure.
@@HeavyMetalWRXFor $60k, Subaru would have to do a lot more to the VB WRX than just stick an STI drivetrain in it. It has to compete with the Toyota GR Corolla, and to a lesser extent the Honda Civic Type R and Hyundai Elantra N. Those cars all make more power than the WRX, they all have LSDs and manual gearboxes, and they all cost between $35k-$45k. For me to justify $60k on a VB STI, it would need at least 350hp while preserving the FA24's insanely responsive and enormous torque curve, plus the beefier STI 6-speed gearbox, DCCD, front & rear LSDs, Brembo brakes, the new tS adjustable active suspension, Recaro bucket seats that sit nice and low (I'm 6'6" and I want to feel like I'm sitting on the floor), it'd have to come with all of Subaru's STI Group N-homologated high-performance chassis parts and all of the optional STI-brand aesthetic bits already installed inside and out as standard, and it would need a non-plastic widebody kit, similar to those on Vermont SportsCar's VT23r rally car or the 2023 WRX by Prodrive. That would be worth $60k for me.
What pisses me off about the lack of an STI is that they reused the WRX drivetrain anyway. They could have slapped in the sti Transmission and Diff, and given the 2.4, the minor adjustments needed to make 350 horsepower.
If Subaru wants to go EV, then it should do it right rather than trying to take an EV and make it into something it is not. That would fail.
An STi package is brakes, trick-AWD control and a beefed up transmission, to me.
Here would be the perfect STi -
- front/rear dynamically controlled motors on each axle. Make the controller in the car look like the VA version
- braking like the Polestar 2 upgrade package; coupled with the motors
- batteries give low center of gravity, the car will corner on a dime
- keep the hood scoop for a cooling duct routed wherever needed
If you watch YT videos of the Polestar 2 (I almost bought one) on the Nurburgring, it can keep up with GT3s and other really great cars.
I'd also see no problem with making the regular WRX a simple hybrid. Electric motors go a long way to launches without taxing the transmission, something that would appeal to many of the street racers of WRXs. Gas mileage is also crap compared to Civic Si, Type R, Golf GTI and Golf R, a mild hybrid system would improve that.
I’m probably on my own in this opinion, but I think the STI platform would work beautifully as a PHEV or Hybrid. I’m sure (with Toyota tech) they could engineer electrically driven boost/overdrive working in tandem with the FA24, electric enhanced AWD vectoring, limitless torque, all while extending range, and reducing fuel cost and emissions. Full EV, no ICE, just seems a bad idea for so many reasons, and will not excite the WRX community.
I don't believe that it'll go full EV. Eventually maybe it makes sense but right now I think hybrid is as far as it should go.
2:33 That is a photoshop Mustang Mach E. 😂😅🤣
If they or anyone started to just capitalize on hybrid types I think there would be a lot more appeal from enthusiasts and new clients. Hybrid is the way to go. Look at the Mcleren P1, NSX…🤷🏻 the opportunity is still prime time.
This is what I've been saying. A lot of super cars are also going hybrid and they make a lot of power.
I think that STe looks fantastic. Normally not a big fan of sharp angular looks, but it looks great! I don't like the possible concepts of the wrx sti from the other spots(non motor trend) but either way, it's gonna be cool watching how things pan out. Thanks for the video!!!
I just want something with an STI driveline, 3 pedals, and a huge aftermarket support... but chances are whatever Subaru is coming out with is gonna be either hybrid or full EV, which usually means a boring auto trans. In that case, I'm holding onto my VA WRX and ZD BRZ forever. I work in an industry where I get to drive a lot of vehicles and even the fastest EVs will start to bore me after the 2nd or 3rd pull lol.
Whoa, that last part was not what I expected! You’re saying even when you step on it in an EV and it shoots you forward like a slingshot, the novelty of that wears off quickly? I haven’t had the opportunity for that to happen since I’ve only been in an EV less than 5 times
Hybrid doesn't mean auto. We have had many hybrid manual cars. Whatever Subaru makes if it's gonna be a STI it'll have to be a manual.
I have an 09 wrx. Did so much work to it trying to make it an sti. It was bothering me the fact that in the end it’s not a true STi. I broke down and spent time searching for a VA STI. Found one 2 hours away one way. Could not be any happier. Awesome car. Won’t ever sell it.
The supra is losing sales, I'm sure the GR corolla isn't selling like hot cakes, and even the VB has been down in sales this year. A lot of sports cars just aren't selling because nobody has money for em...
I really would love to see an STE of some sorts come out. Maybe Mitsubishi gets back into the game with something like that too.
Open minds nd hearts for whatever comes next!
I did see the VB sales were down. What's surprising is the solterra sales went up an equal amount. I am not 100% on EVs but if I did buy one it wouldn't have been a solterra 😭
Think I heard somewhere Subaru copyrighted stE or something
Yea that was middle of last year. We're still not sure where that name will pop up.
@@HeavyMetalWRX hopefully not at the doctors office… sti is bad enough but ste sounds deadly
Wild imaginations indeed journalism is broken. How about an AWD BRZ STI? I'd buy that for a dollar too LOL.
Dude a lifted AWD BRZ STI. That's where it's at.
The reason they wont make an AWD BRZ is because Subaru's AWD technology/platform is based on cars that would be FWD withiut it (if they made them) so setting it up for AWD would be a little different than theybare used to as they have not had RWD based AWzd cars at Subaru in many decades.
I get that a lot of people are complaining about a full EV option, but the few Teslas I’ve ridden in have so much torque and acceleration that are literally both almost instant, it is an absolute THRILL. But yes, we have already lost the rumble, so losing the exhaust sound entirely would be a sad day. Truly a double edged sword!
The rumble was gone in 2022 and for the WRX in 2015. It was a matter of time before Subaru fully adopted EL headers. What comes next is going to be AWD for sure but let's see if we still get a 6spd.
I noticed you quit wearing he zelda hat, that was a good move.
😂😂 dude I wear it during winter. It's like 90 degrees everyday 😭. Don't worry, come December it'll be back.
@@HeavyMetalWRX wear it in the next video to show your passion for zelda. Low key do you think Sheik is hot?
While I do not mind the hybrid STi... my single biggest fear is that Subaru doesn't know jack about dual clutch transmission or anything on hooking up hybrid powerplant to manual transmission. so... as usual, I am 80% certain that the hybrid STi... may only be offered on CVT.
Unless Subaru decides to go one fully traditional STi and another with supposed hybrid powerplant and calling that the STe, perhaps in similar relationship between the current TR to GT trims, may be the best case but when has Subaru ever given us the best case scenario...? Brace y'allselves... winter is coming?
Also, for pricing point, if the gas powered STi manages around $55k price tag, I still consider that a win and considering the cost of other type of cars on the market (i.e. Integra Type S or Supra), I say that is well within reason in this insane market. SO FRIGGING MAKE THE VB STi ALREADY DAMNIT
A car can be hybrid and still be manual. Subaru would be even more braindead if they make a real STI and NOT out a 6spd in.
@HeavyMetalWRX I agree, but... that's one thing Honda couldn't nail in either. Porsche recently shown off their new hybrid system embedded within their PDK and I really do hope that Subaru will take note, or take inspiration from their Symmetrical All Wheel Drive System into a next level by fiddling with the rear diff or add the motor and battery pack there...?
But that really is hoping too much. Subaru's timetable is closing in awfully fast with their core fanbase getting confused or restless. I don't think they have any time left to come up with something ingenious and still need to come up with something better than tS.
Otherwise, these whole VB generation will forever be marked as the wasted time and effort, along with the hardcore fan base dropping, thinking that at least EVO had a better death than STi.
Subaru already made a brain dead mistake of not offering STi on VB gen, and no amount of EV or hybrid sorcery is gonna fix it IMO.
Given how long Toyota has fiddled with their system, subaru still hasn't figured out how to do their hybrid system on a mass scale in fact, Subaru is starting that just now with the Forester hybrid and etc.
I sincerely blame CAFE rule for this, but... just maybe... with hybridization of their entire lineup, Subaru can free up that stupid ass CAFE rule to build STi on VB.
That will allow Subaru to continue onto the next stage, buying them time for the next big introduction for the next gen STi or that STe bs that they are so proud of. I sincerely hope Subaru is paying attention.
No amount of tS is gonna fix this, as long as they add the STi tranny and DCCD. Now that's a badge worth tS and I'm willing to buy it for $50k if I have to.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Why would they put a manual transmission? They don't even sell manual wrxs in Japan currently.
The future STI needs to look around and compete with the competition. Supra, 400Z, Mustang and come up with a 6 cylinder with good HP to beat them, otherwise the platform is a joke at this point. The fact that they used the EJ forever was also showing a lack of innovation as STI got surpassed by all major brands.
I'm just not sure what Subaru is going to do. It's still so up in the air.
I wouldn’t buy an STI EV. Maybe a hybrid assist though. But really, if they just put the STI trans and diffs in the current VB, then I would trade in my ‘22 for one. I won’t spend no $50k + for an STI. For that price range, I’d trade in my VB for an M340i xDrive and be done with Subie.
Subaru stated that they are discontinuing the tr
Yea i found out two days ago. I we t to lunch with my buddy from Subaru and he also confirmed.
I hope Subaru will take inspiration from WRC Rally 1 hybrid powerplants. Full EV would be a major disappointment.
This should be interesting 😅😅😅
People who want STIs are building them. And the engine is more than capable of it . The Japanese gave us this power and know we can figure it out .
I’ll miss the six speed but I’d still buy the electric STI after my 2020 STI kicks the bucket.
No you won’t. A silent electric experience opens the doors to 80 other boring EVs. Without the character of the VA and VB and earlier WRXs, the people who love WRXs won’t come back. WRX has an 80% manual transmission take rate!!
@@SuzukiKid400I want to agree but I've seen so many things evolve into "less interesting but more feature rich" version from older stuff. I think there is a way to do it because design is still important. We don't buy cars JUST for the engine...if that was the case 100% of Subaru lovers would have liked the VB.
When I think of STI, one word comes to mind. Tuner. I don't want anything other than a combustible engine in a STI. What mods can be done to a hybrid or full EV STI? IMHO in the worlds transition of energy to electric EV, gone are the days of wrenching on cars. Robbing what has bin decades of generations teaching next gen from simple oil changes to full restorations. Is there a place for Hybrid and EV cars, absolutely.
I enjoy watching car racing of all kinds. I just can't fathom watching full EV racing. What is it going to sound like in the stands or TV? Hearing nothing but wind noise and while listening commentators. divers have nothing but push a pedal and steer. What's a pit stop going to look like? Will it be watch the driver out of there car, eating a burger while talking to the media as they wait for the race car to charge for 20 minutes LOL Naaah not for me. I love hearing and smelling the engines as they scream bye, stressing every part to its limits. The in cabin view of the driver rowing through the gears.
The driver engagement you get just by the sound as you can tell that your hard work of dialing in your STI has accomplished. What is the future of are car choices going to be, EV trim models that have all the same HP that can't be modded? And year in year out they all look the same like Teslas? That's exciting, wow look we all drive same thing.🙄 In my world A car is extension of your personality. Without being able to performance mod it or car company's making all of there trim models look identical. It'll be nothing more then a hunk of metal to me and wont care about "HP" ( and I use that term very loosely describing EV power) what it looks like or even taking care of it. A EV, hybrid will be nothing more then a A TO B necessity for me and I'll buy the cheapest minimal HP that I'll need. STI is a pinacil of gas engine and I can only hope there will be a place and need in the future for it 🤞
Ahhhh, maybe I'm just old school LOL....Just my opinion though
In the us STI is parts you can but on your wrx vb. For right now.
Yes but what people really want is the transmission. We are SO CLOSE.
I don't want anything EV
“Is it losing it, or is it evolving?” 😅😅😅
Two different perspectives. Time will tell how people truly react to the news. Look at the VB. Universally disliked but then Sold more than the VA in its first 2 years. I don't think it'll be enough EV but a hybrid.
If you have an STI, you should talk to your doctor.
i think they are waiting out the FIA on WRCs engine rules. the FA is currently too big (displacement limitations) for any race in WRC or WRC2. That's why they've said that comment about a hybrid motor at the time because all the WRC cars are hybrids. it works a lower speed to boost the car up out of corners 0-60 times. no lag instant torque.
here's a video
WRC Rally Hybrid Explained
czcams.com/video/fAmOFoqSzic/video.html
Like Ford Mustang Mach E
MAKE IT A HYBRID
2028? Everything will be driving autonomously by then - so what does it matter?
I'll be honest I wish that was the reality. You know how much time we could save if every vehicle ran efficiently on its own like that movie iRobot.
@@HeavyMetalWRX 😒
Best of all worlds if they offered gas, full electric and hybrid trims LOL. its not like they are affraid of the number of trims LOL
Dude it would be crazy if we got 3 trims of STIs. It would make up for the 0 we have now 😭
They probably will make an EV version of a WRX and call it an STI. Guys dont forget that next gen MX-5 will be electrified. 😢 Everything is heading that way.
Is it April 1st already??!?? LOL
😂😂 dude wait till next year. I already have a great idea for April 1.
Bro, did you fly into space and stare at the sun for a while? Haha
I'm just naturally f'ed up 😂😂😭
@@HeavyMetalWRX 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am quite sure EV STI wont have a hood scoops🤣
A hybrid will tho!
Car Magazines (are they still a thing?) are more full of bull than a 16yo Reddit user.
ETA- they now get paid for clicks. Posting "controversial" articles gains more clicks than something accurate and boring. Just my take on it.
Yea this type of headline would make me click out of sheer disappointment
Best Car out of Japan actually leaks a lot of real stuff.
hybrid isnt bad, they can use the electric battery to smooth out acceleration and push the car. kind of like the kers system hyper cars use
Bro got the whole genetic package to model. Like damn look at that perfectly flat hairline and smooth brown/reddish skin. Sorry I’m new here, caught off guard by a car guy who looks like a model 😂
Lmaoooo some of that is my incredibly bad color editing. The hair line I got from my dad. I call it The Frankensteins Monster 😂😂😂
Subaru has begun to crack and is beginning to fold. They know that their 20% stake with Toyota SHOULD NOT and DOES NOT stop them from making the WRX STI on the WRX's VB gen platform. That 20% stake only pertains to the Solterra and BZ4X and the BRZ and GR86. It does not have anything to do with the WRX STI not being made because of the GR Corolla.
The GR Corolla is 100% Toyota built. That should not have stopped nor prevented Subaru from giving their STI community the car they have wanted and asked for since the current gen WRX has been out.
It has nothing to do with no engine being available for the STI because if that was the case, Subaru should have been updating and upgrading the EJ25 (EJ257) since it's been out in Japan and the US for the last 20-30 years. The engine upgrade should not have waited for 5hp for the STI Type RA, the mid-cycle refresh STI, and the S209's 31hp and 40lb-ft of tq and the EJ could stayed around.
Since the EJ is retired, why not enhance and upgrade the FA24 engine .1L of displacement to a 2.5T engine and change all of the internals, upgrade the turbocharger and everything in between and the FA24 becomes an FA25 (FA258) 2.5T specifically and only for the WRX STI? They can easily get 325-330hp out of it and 315-320lb-ft of tq? It's not asking a lot, especially when a company like Chevrolet did the same thing for the C7 Corvette ZR1 when they heavily upgraded the C7 Corvette Z06's LT4 engine to become the LT5 engine for the ZR1.
Factory upgrades to the FA24 can be done. I don't know why Subaru doesn't recall the STI Division team back to do this. There's unlimited room for the cars in the segment:
(Hyundai) Elantra N
(Toyota) GR Corolla
(Volkswagen) MK8/MK8.5 Golf R
(Honda) FL5 Civic Type R
(Acura) DE5 Integra Type S
(Subaru) VB WRX STI
Subaru is really the dumb ones because how did they have a fully built production-ready car to go only to come out and throw a curveball at the world that you/they decided not to put it in the WRX lineup? 🤦🏽
i'd be totally fine with a hybrid ev cause you know the mpg would be dope
Full electric or hybrid, Doesn’t matter. It’s trash and completely diminishes the owners capability of building the vehicle themselves.
The future is coming. Eventually all cars will change. The aftermarket will just change with it. Most parts main purpose is to make the car go faster or handle better. There will just be newer ways to do it. I never underestimate humans desire to tinker with stuff.
@@HeavyMetalWRX Is there a way? Absolutely, but manufacturer safeguards against modifications to the powertrain will be tenfold when a high voltage system is involved. Aftermarket companies will be highly discouraged to delve into powertrain upgrades due to liability purposes. You don’t want to give the “average joe” a reason to go play around on even the 12V side of a hybrid setup.
@@SleepyCorn-qv2nw I actually disagree. I have seen numerous aftermarket companies tune hybrids. The reason is the emoetrok part of the engine is usually detuned. You don't particularly need to mess with the electric portion. So that puts us back in the same boat. Yea they may need to learn a bit more on the software side and how it controls the two engines but it's definitely been done.
Tl;Dr you can still add more power without messing with the hybrid system.
Nobody wants an EV STI. Well, nobody normal.
I mean , let's see what happens. People always say " I would never" but as the world changes we all change with it.
If they did a hybrid with corvette E-ray like acceleration...Id buy that for a dollar! LOL They need to keep a boxer engine in it make it a 2 cylinder turbo with unequal headers for the rumble. They ripped off the E-Ray name? wierd. Maybe they think the hype and wishful thinking will get Subaru to wake the F up. LOL
Let's all just cross our fingers that we ac least get SOMETHING. I don't want another WRX model next year 😭
if they did something like the new porsche 911 hybrid system I would be more than happy
Japan's econimy is so screwed up. i would not be surprise if Subaru folds. Toyota is telling subaru what to build on the cross platform cars. if they go again Toyota, Subaru is GONE.. the eletric car boom it already dead... people don't want that garbage
What's better, I just found out today official confirmation that the tS IS replacing the TR. idk what's going on at Subaru Head quarters but DAMN
I dont understand why they dont just make an STI at this point. I keep hearing about emissions but it seems like what most people really want is the STI drivetrain. From my understanding that wouldnt effect anything emissions wise. FA24 is a monster engine. That doesnt need to change. For more power, turn to the aftermarket, it's always been like that anyway. At this point I'm almost convinced theyre getting choked out by Toyota. What other explanation could there be? @HeavyMetalWRX
@@kevinkryszak6274 I heard putting in the STI transmission affected MPG too much and they couldn't be bothered to develop a new one since gas is on the way out. Lot of speculation in that statement though
@@alexandertomaso6246 I suppose. I have some doubts with that though since for example STI swapped WRX's don't seem to have decreased MPG (from what I heard but I'm no expert).
Not an engineer by any stretch but it seems like a cop out to me. Either way it's sad to think about what could have been. Would have put STI back on the map for the first time in like 20 years
@@kevinkryszak6274 the gears are shorter and the final drive is shorter. The claim is 1-3 less mpg because you're cruising at like 3k+ rpm. If Subaru was trying to hit a specific mpg then this was the only way regardless of how low I make the mpg with my right foot 😂
How about electric Air Planes... that would probably be better for the environment.
Easy peasy, just make them solar powered 😂
@@HeavyMetalWRX 🤣😂Right!
Of course an other fake 🤦♂️
How many mores will be made
i believe subaru is teaming with toyota to invest in new hydrogen combustion ev engines, should be able to keep a manual transmission i hope. imagine the new sti is a 2 door v8 awd monster
Nahhh
Hybrid or don't even make it. Imo
This is what I think as well.
WRX made it's name for being affordable, moddable fun. $60k would ruin that rep.
Well if it's a STI it'll be expensive. There have been a few different 60k+ still models on the past.
@@HeavyMetalWRX I didn't realize they ever got that high. I always thought they were in the $40k range. Maybe I'm just getting cheap since I'm getting older. 😅😂🤣
What a joke. I don't want an EV or hybrid STI.
I'll never buy any electric pos vehicle. Not trying to have a car that will explode 15 times, cough cough Tesla
Take this with a grain of salt...I personally talked to the owner at our local Subaru dealership here in VA and he stated 100%, Subaru has 0 plans to build a gas STI. They (like others) are moving towards electric and will be coming out with a wrx (will be named different) but in electric.
Sadly none of us will probably know offically for at least a few more years...
Dealers don’t have any more information than the media does so don’t listen to the owner. That’s like the owner of a grocery store claiming he knows what flavour of cheerios are coming 3 years down the line. Complete speculation.
@@SuzukiKid400 I mean they attend regional meetings etc but I agree. Reason I said take it with a grain of salt
I'm willing to say this is probably very accurate. I woke to my contact at Subaru corp and he said there are 8 EV/hybrid cars on the roadmap, confirmed. Some will be made in Indiana and some in Japan. I mean if that isn't a dead giveaway idk what is.
dude this content is pure click bait no actual information in this video at all.
How is it clickbait? A new STI IS coming. It's already been confirmed by Subaru. It's also been confirmed that it won't be on the VB platform. The rest is going through the different articles that are speculating what is coming. There ris SOME truth underneath the BS but you gotta dig for it, which is what I did. Sorry you feel like it's click bait. 🤷♂️
@@HeavyMetalWRX I'm just saying the image of the video is a wrx with STI badging and its not happening.
This video is CALLING OUT the click bait, and discussing it. There is nothing clickbait about it.
@matthewwain9958 clown look at the video picture
@@FecesPhantom Get over yourself.
The gasoline-based STI is defunct. In 10 years, there will be no new gas cars available for sale. So Subaru is not going to invest in a full STI-like vehicle. It makes sense to mate a WRX with a hybrid model to boost its HP by 40 more and bring it up to the HP level of the STI. The future high-powered Subaru sport vehicle will most likely be an EV.
I'm not so sure about this 10 year timeline. I know a lot of companies are kind of stuck with these time tables. I don't like to get political but tbh things could change this year or 4 years from now...or even 2 years from now. That's kind of where we are stuck, unfortunately.
Really, the sti is whatever Subaru decides it is, not any of us.
The future of cars will ultimately be electric and no amount of complaining is going to change that. As much as i like my cars now I'm more excited to see something innovative like graphene batteries taking over and getting cars well past the 500 mile range with a quarter of the charging times but throwing fits and whatnot is only slowing down the progression. Why not try for better now then wait till we run out of fossil fuels with no real long term solutions?
WTF IS THIS🤬🤬🤬🤬
EVs are TRASH. An EV STI is not a real STI
Well considering the STI has not changed in 30 years any new STI WILL be a STI. We can't just keep using the same outdated technology and have the same problems and limitations. There's a good chance the car won't be an EV. We just have to keep an open mind.