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- Asus Tinker Board unboxing, review and demo. Is this new single board computer (SBC) really a Raspberry Pi killer?
The Tinker Board can be purchased on Amazon.com here: amzn.to/2zo17zS
The Debian TinkerOS image is now available from the link below (note that this a new site, and not the one shown in the video. It is far better!):
www.asus.com/u...
I have reviewed video playback and CPU temperatures on the Tinker Board here: • Tinker Board: Video Pl...
There is also now a Tinker Board forum at: tinkerboarding....
You may also like my coverage of other SBCs, including:
The Raspberry Pi 3:
• Raspberry Pi 3: Review...
The LattePanda Windows 10 SBC:
• LattePanda Windows 10 ...
The $9 CHIP:
• CHIP $9 Computer
More videos on computing and related topics can be found at: / explainingcomputers
You may also like my ExplainingTheFuture channel at: / explainingthefuture
Since I uploaded this video Asus have launched a new and improved Tinker Board web page at www.asus.com/uk/Single-board-Computer/TINKER-BOARD/
There is also now a Tinker Board forum at: tinkerboarding.co.uk/
There have also been reports that the Tinker Board has been withdrawn. However, I do not believe that such reports are true! :) It does seem that many UK retailers started selling the Tinker Board ahead of its "official" international release, which is apparently the end of February (or early March) 2017. I will provide further updates here in a future Tinker Board video, as this SBC certainly seems to be generating a lot of interest . . .
ExplainingComputers I might be interested if there is a 4gb version and this changes *1. The ARM® Quad-Core Mali GPU supports max. resolution of 4K@30hz (up-scaled from 1080P) with H.264/H.265 hardware decoder (update coming soon).
Sab
so it only decodes 1080p video then does upscaling to 4k@30hz for output to tv/monitor
I feel a bit smarter after watching your vids.
I ordered mine from Amazon (US) on Feb 20, and was delivered on Feb 22. I have it working that night. Went to leave a review earlier today on Amazon by clicking the item in my past orders just and Amazon said the page was not found, So it's possible that shey shipped a few before the official release and then stopped.
Just subscribed. I like your no nonsense style. Clear and informative.
Thanks for the sub. :)
ExplainingComputers I subbed too your welcome
Reminds me of my childhood many decades ago.
Excellent!
excellent? just that??
I'm convinced someone Teleported you from 1980s BBC Introduction to Computers program....lol....Great Videos nice and clear..!!...wow 4k video from wee board...
I love these little boards... I'm an OTR truck driver here in the US... I had a PI 2 that I used as my media center and basic email and social media system in my truck for over a year... It's awesome to only need a 12v cell phone charger to run these things, even with external hard drive is and a USB powered LCD, you still don't need any more than 3 amps at 5 volts ..
On the hardware level this is very competitive, but the fate of this board will depend on software support. The big advantage the Raspberry Pi has compared to the competition is that all of its software is actively maintained thanks to a big active community.
Agreed.
SteelSkin667 yep that's the issue with anything that isnt pi/arduino. For the hobbyist the available support community trumps specs, IMO
Hackaday has already shared that this board actually wasn't supposed to be released as of yet and that is why there isn't a page for it by Asus yet.
"Update:
A member of the Asus Marketing team read this review and contacted Hackaday with some updated information. According to our discussion, the Tinker Board has not officially launched. This explains a lot about the current state of the Tinker Board. As Jenny mentions in her review below, the software support for the board is not yet in place, and as comments on this review have mentioned, you can’t source it in the US and most other markets. An internal slide deck was leaked on SlideShare shortly after CES (which explains our earlier coverage), followed by one retailer in the UK market selling the boards ahead of Asus’ launch date (which is how we got our hands on this unit).
Asus tells us that they are aiming for an end of February launch date, perhaps as soon as the 26th for the United States, UK, and Taiwan. Other markets might have some variation, all of this contingent on agreements with and getting stock to regional distributors. With the launch will come the final OS Distribution (TinkerOS based on Debian), schematics, mechanical block diagrams, etc. Asus tells Hackaday it is a top priority to deliver hardware video acceleration for the Rockchip on the Tinker Board. The Board Support Package which hooks the feature into Linux is not yet finished but will come either on launch day or soon after. This is the end of the update, please enjoy Jenny List’s full review below."
This makes me hopeful that they will be taking this board seriously and therefore software support will come in due time.
Slappy McPhee this comment NEEDS TO BE PINNED AS A FAVORITE COMMENT BY THIS CHANNELS OWNER! ...since he didn't bother addressing this AT ALL in the video or the Description! ...thanks for the info!!!
MyBigThing2010 In his defense he didn't know that the board isn't set for mass sale until the end of the month. He commented as much to another post here in the comments.
Wow. An actual informative video. Those are getting rare.
This is why I love Asus! , They always give you great options, Even my motherboard has AC wifi so i can move my Pc around the house and not waste a pci slot or Usb slot.
I am not a techie, programmer, hacker, or ... but on any given day I feel better after an EC video. Thank you.
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I've got one of these. It's a very capable board! Even tolerable for browsing the modern web, which is not something I can say about the RPi frankly.
I really like this channel, the narrator is on point and succinct. This guy and Wendell are my favorites youtube tech hosts.
i love the synth bass sound at start of them. great channel . Solid info
That tinker board stomps the desktop computer I had 13 years ago, and is basically equal to an i7 Toshiba laptop I had about 7 years ago. The future is going to be good.
I've read on HackaDay's review that the lack of support from ASUS is because the product as of Feb 19th 2017 hasn't officially been launched yet. Their launch window is end of Feb / early March.
Yes, I've just read this following another comment below. I purchased from a mainstream supplier who shipped promptly. Oh well. We may see better support soon! :) Fingers crossed.
Amazing that this tiny little extra micro Board could do much of work . Enjoyed the simple way of explaining the job of every item. Love it for real .
Another new subscriber here. Presentation and pacing is spot on, and the content appeals to my inner nerd. Thumbs up!
Many thanks for the sub! :)
Hi Christopher. I’ve convinced Santa that I’ve been a “good little Vegemite” all year - British readers please substitute Marmite or similar - and he’s delivering a Tinker Board for XMas. Interestingly here in Australia the Tinker Board is retailing for $99 Aud in computer shops and Raspberry Pi 3’s, which were selling for $75-80 Aud have since dropped in price between $10-20 Aud. Not merely a coincidence I’m sure, as the Tinker Board represents the first attempt by a major computer manufacturer to enter the SBC market. Interestingly, ASUS has not attempted to steal the market in a new direction. Instead it has embraced the Raspberry Pi defacto standard and issued a board for, as you rightly say, enthusiasts who want to use the SBC form factor to challenge the PC status quo.
Well done to ASUS for reading the enthusiast “wish list” correctly and responding so accurately. I think the Tinker Board has reaffirmed the Raspberry Pi form factor as a standard and added a significant legitimisation to it. I wish ASUS and Raspberry Pi Org great success in the future. The only really BIG improvement would be some form of organisational collaboration. Wouldn’t that be exciting?
Cheers from Down Under, Western Side ;^)
Excellent -- thanks for this Ian. I don't know if you saw my recent video that compared the Tinker Board to the Pi 3 and Odroid XU4 -- the Tinker Board came out really well, in part I think because Tinker OS is now very good: czcams.com/users/edit?o=U&video_id=8qBxi6Q4XlY So you are joining the Tinker Board party after they have sorted the OS out! :) Enjoy your Xmas SBC. It is a very nice board.
hold up this lil piece of metal and plastic is more powerful than the laptop i'm typing on
Thank you for the great information and a very helpful estimate of time required. I will take your advice. Even if I don't live long enough to master the language, I know the more I use my mind and learn new things every, the slower advance of senile deimentia. Thank you so much, Christopher Barnatt. I really appreciate you because I have been trying to learn to program coding since 1983 when I got my first Vic 20. It was so entertaining to program in BASIC & VISUAL BASIC. I had to change jobs in 1986 and move from Stockton California to Eugene Oregon. The computer was all packed away in storage. In 1995 our hospital went paperless in August 1995 and everyone had to be a competent user over night. I got a Compac PC and began my Greek mythology heroic climb up the eternal mountain of developing computer advancement, with a rock of ignorance on my back. I became a competent user, but never developed beyond that. I have the W95 version of both C and C++ language but those CDs are not compatible with Windows Vista, upgraded to W10. I have long wanted to learn Linux, but only use "Puppy" version sort of competently. I have never heard of Python. I will look for it and see if someone has a Python for dummies version. Thanks again for your insightful information. I also love your concise videos on "Explaining Computers" Thank you, Christopherj Barnatt.
Now that Raspberry Pi 4 has all the features it has, we don't have to decide between support (Raspberry Pi) and specification (Tinker) any more. I had read that Tinker has disappointing software support.
I have the Raspberry PI and am excited to see these boards get better and better.
Mr Scissors will live to fight another day...
Mr Scissors should win an award for best supporting actor.
THis years award for the best Co-Actor goes to the screen recorder.
Mr scissors should get his own youtube channel
Mr Scissors ccould go on Googlebox
Mr. Scissors and Russle Russle can be friends! (I know he said rustle, but it sounded like russle xP )
Don't know why but the intro is rather satisfying.
Biggest flaw: no SATA or USB3.
This is why I still use my relatively old Banana Pi Pro, which has a lackluster CPU but makes up for it in I/O.
Yes, the SATA connectors on the Banana boards still gives them a considerable storage I/O edge.
Should be absolutely possible to develop a peripheral offering a SATA-connection like the renkforce avaible for the Pi. This shouldn't be a problem.
@rocker11281 Sorry, I meant SOC native sata and not sharing resources with any other I/O devices. An add-on can not hope to compete with native sata.
yeah, if this had a SATA connector on it, even a SATA I, I'd be getting one ASAP. This would be perfect if it did.
@Dmitriy If you are referring to the XU4, I must admit it caught my interest for a while but the price and power consumption are not really justified even if it does have USB3. My use case does not benefit much from the amazing CPU, all that matters to me is the I/O throughput and access speed. Still it's the closest I've come to replacing the Banana Pi Pro. The next thing I'm keeping my eyes open for are boards with the new Allwinner R40 SOC, but there is so little support out at this stage, sadly. It has huge potential with it's native SATA and is touted as the Allwinner A20 successor, we will see how that goes.
I love your no-nonsense videos. Straight to the point, almost as if the text was written first.
Hi Chris, Found your video very helpful. But should mention that the earlier versions of the OS were pretty shaky. The latest distro v2.0.8 really makes this board shine. I have the Tinker Board as the heart of a software defined radio transceiver that formerly was hardly even workable with the earlier OS now with V2.0.8 -- the audio problems are gone. While your bench mark evaluations offer a comparative analysis, it is the real world applications that make for the head scratching. You might want to circle back on the Tinker Board especially with the new OS. Thanks for all of your evaluations. There are some youtube videos I made of both the Raspberry Pi3 and the Tinkerboard driving the same SDR transceiver. It is clear I will use the Tinker Board configuration. Pete
I wasn't sure about this board, but since its compatible with jigsaw puzzles, I'm sold.
Subscribed!
Unline Raspberry Pi branded SBCs, it has no composite analog video output... Take it down a few notches, since you can't use cheap LCD monitors with it! Take a Pi zero, solder a couple of wires from a $10 NTSC/PAL LCD, to the Pi's "TV" solder pad, add a 12V boost supply and voila! a super portable computer with color display for $17. Can't get by near that cheap with HDMI as the only option!
Just a little giggle experience a while ago.
When I saw your video, I really want to buy this. So I went to the store that promised every asus's products were available. So I asked them about the latest available asus's tinkerboard. She just answered ''No. we don't have that laptop anymore, we now have Zenbook.''
Then I walked out without saying anything.
...SBC community was still unpopular, underrated in my country....
:)
You make fantastic videos!
I see a future in SBCs. There is a missing element in the market. Mobile phones became smart phones, Laptops continued, as did desktops, tablets came along and filled a gap which seems so obvious today but the SBCs can fill another missing gap in the market. A small desktop has been an element for some time what with ITX, mITX, mATX etc. Obviously, although women say "its not the size that matters, its how you use it" simply isn't true in the world of IT as in the world of hardware size matters!
Obviously it is the same in the world of software but clearly a fair few companies need reminding of that since they even branded themselves as "Microsoft-ware"
However, I do believe that SBC's have a lot to learn from the concept of the project ara.
We need the ability to upgrade and replace components with ease be it the CPU, GPU, Ram or other peripherals.
On a last note, I hope SBC's take an open source approach. I.e Asus using a Pi form factor.
Thanks for this -- great post. :)
but paul. The tinker board is to be used for robotics. Not as a real computer
He was speaking generally about SBCs, not the Tinkerboard specifically.
I think SBC's will eventually merge more with phones, converging phones that can act both as desktops and smartphones. Interfacing to stuff will get more wireless.
You seems to be the first one on CZcams to have hands on one. Good job , will be waiting on the 4K tests
I'd caution everyone to do research on the Rockchip over the Pi's Broadcom chip if you have desktop Linux in mind. Proper MALI drivers are only avaibale on Android, so on Debian you will be badly disappointed with the graphics performance of the Rockchip, even though the GPU should in theory be able to do amazing 3D stuff - but due to the driver situation, it most likely won't. On the Pi, there's both a closed-source gles driver as well as open source efforts, so given the right software support (gles over gl), you can get quite good accelerated 3D support on the Pi.
I want to say the Odroid boards had the same caveat with the Mali GPUs, great hardware for the price as long as you're willing to use Android, but Linux users are kind of left to the wayside :c Seems that just about any SBC that comes out that isn't Intel based or a Pi uses the Mali GPU, it's so frustrating. I want to say the Odroid community is getting closer to figuring it out though, I do recall there was some news on that front.
TwistedD85
It is still early days and there are developers that are producing viable alternative (GPL compliant) solutions.
I'm not in Linux for the GPL, so that's not a problem for me personally. All I need is a working gles and preferrably webgl acceleration. LIMA is nowhere production ready, according to their own site, and pretty much dead since the Q3A proof of concept in 2013. The open source drivers you linked date back to 2012. Utgard I have never heard of, so that's definitely something I will have a look at in the future. Do you by any chance have a link to debian tutorials for utgard?
trisymphony
I am not of aware of any Debian material for Utgard but would definitely be interested if you come across any.
Though mali ddk can not be open source because of arm's license, we have provided the libmali binary used for linux, so don't worry about graphics performance. (Not just 3D, we have glamor 2D acceleration support in x11)
github.com/rockchip-linux/libmali/tree/rockchip/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf
i am at the very beginning of learning how to build a computer. this video was quite inspiring in that case. i was able to understand everything that you pointed out. thanks
Excellent! :)
This looks like a very nice SBC.
Based on your review I think it just might be worth the investment... thanks!
Promising product. I may come to think in 2 projects for it:
1. A kiosk, web browser on intranet website, ideal for a wall mounted touchscreen setup. Combined with a kiosk linux distro and we are set to go.
2. File server/NAS. With a custom pc case to hold HDD's and this board may be a great file server for a home or small office. Using Ubuntu server with plex comes to mind.
I almost gave this video a down vote because I was empathetic of Mr. Scissors' temporary unemployment, but then I realized that his lack of diversity of skills was a problem of his own design. Perhaps Mr. Scissors needs some vocational re-training to improve his future opportunities so that he is ready for a scissor-less society, or one where robotic scissors exist.
:)
The tinker board has a quad core 32 bit SOC and the PI 3 has a quad core 64 bit SOC. That should mean the performance will be about the same depending on the task. Thank you for the outstanding videos. I watch every one.
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No debug output on boot? have you tried pressing ESC on boot. i know some linux OS will hide output until ESC is pressed
Now this I will try! :) Thanks.
this man is brilliant none of that trying to be funny but not... straight to the point !
A great alternative to a Raspberry Pi 3, shame it doesn't support a normal Windows Installation, it has enough computing power to do it.
Current Windows doesn't run on ARM architecture, although an upcoming variant of windows 10 that can run on ARM architecture in development, and promised to run x86-x64 Application in emulated mode.
There WAS Windows CE (which supported ARM processors), though i doubt anybody has figured out how to get it working on the Pi platform.
limited software for CE
Shame about the price also.
Dmitriy Getman Actually it has been ported to ARM, just not released yet.
Good info, thank you. Very glad there's now SBC H.265 hardware coming out!
Ok So there is Geoff marshall with a obsession with trains and now Christopher Barnatt with an obsession with single board computers
But look at the viewing figures on the SBC videos . . . !
"Mr. Scissors" Really cracks me up! Great video as always/
Excellent review, all the way around! I have been working on an Pi3 for the past couple weeks, and it is a wonderful product. I've been playing with it as a DeskTop, and it is pretty good, but a little under-powered, and I was already hoping for an early release of a Pi4, but that may be a couple years away depending on the rumors. It does seem like this Asus Tinker has picked on some good points and is kind of like a Pi4, but the price is a negative. Regarding your test on the GIMP filter, that is disappointing. With the clock being 50% faster and the GIMP text being only 16% faster, it is a head scratcher. However, GIMP probably is not using the extra memory, and the better hdmi and audio specs might make a big difference in terms of video speeds and audio quality. So, Asus could easily catch on. Based on your number of views already, there is a lot of interest.
I love your accent, and your general grasp of the Queen's English, but it is spelt eTcetera, not eXcetera... sorry to be so pedantic... loving the videos!
The Pi took an extra 1.6 seconds to apply the filter, but it also quite obviously found more to apply the filter to as well. That might be something to consider quantifying in the future.
Absolutely love your videos! So concise and clear!
Many thanks! :)
I like the way YOU EXPLAIN the product.
Thanks. :)
The ethernet Port is the correct way (raspberry pi is upside down not sure why)
lee x I thought I was the other way
Same issue on your review of the JetsonNano; you never used the barrel jack for power. What isn't said is that the chip actually runs in a "low" power state unless it gets more than 2A. When more than 2A is applied the board gains tremendous performance. Please keep this in mind when testing SBCs.
On my review of the Jetson Nano I used a 3A 5V micro USB adapter specially made for SBCs, and I can assure you that I was in full power mode. I am very well aware of this issue (and have good contacts with the Jetson team at NVIDIA).
@@ExplainingComputers Correct, this is indeed the issue. Jetsonhacks has explained how to circumvent this problem. With this you can run in either 4A via jack or 6A modes via GPIO .www.jetsonhacks.com/2019/04/10
/jetson-nano-use-more-power/
Support? I quit Asus when they informed me that their laptops and motherboards were "Windows 10 machines" and would not run Linux. It's a shame - I loved their EEE range and would have liked to play with the tinker board.
Oh, didn't knew about that. 😞
i absolutely love the presentation of your channel. a real professional production. i could imagine you on channel 5 on a saturday evening. i wait for your new uploads regularly. another great video. thank-you for your contribution to the world of tech. all the best to you
Is energy consumption described or specificated by Asus? (for only battery power purposes). Thank you very much.
There is sadly nothing in the manual on this.
+mharris1270 I appreciated your response, thank you very much for the device indication. I'll try to acquire it from here, hope of delivery in Brasil.
This is a real winner for my work. Audio is a huge deal to us..... GPU not so much. No time to game as I must work scales .....I sure do suck....LOL
Great video, i was looking for something like this to programming purposes and maybe as media center.
That sounds really impressive. Perhaps the Tinker Board is another single board computer I need to check out.
I love the color-coded GPIO pins!
I liked this video so I subscribed. I'd also like to say, I don't think this is the first SBC made by a major company. I bought a KIM-1 in 1976 when I was a senior in university. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIM-1) I'm not trying to say, _get off my lawn_ but I am saying, don't forget history. I started building things with single chip computers in them that year and I still love it! Thanks for a great channel.
I often delve back into history many decades on this channel. :) Great link to the KIM-1. :)
Hi Christopher, I really like your videos.I just purchased the Pi 3 (I still had an old Pi 1 256MB) and although this Asus board is faster I think the Pi is having the most support so I'm not really sad.
I agree that you should not be sad with a Pi 3! :) It will take a lot of beating . . .
+Explainingcomputers At the moment I'm having the problem that my computer monitor (HDMI) does not have audio and so I need to use the analog audio of the Pi3 (which is decent) but it would be lovely if I could split the audio off of the HDMI cable running from the Pi to the monitor. I hope there exists (a not too expensive) 'chinese' hdmi-pass-through thingy with split-off audio port. I got a HDMI to VGA converter with such an audio port but I don't wanna use VGA for the monitor :)
Brilliant review, as always. I've been using the RasPi3 for a while now, which acts quite fine for browsing and basic stuff. (Ubuntu MATE) But as long as the OS and several programs usable on this PC are not allowing full hardware support, even the PI3 cannot unleash the full power of its Broadcom QC CPU. Would be nice if development goes further for these devices, so that the TinkerBoard can really show it's advantages. Please keep us up to date with those two :)
Kinda funny thinking guys that makes ultra high end motherboards design something like this. Building mobos with 12phase power control to this...
정지호 Jujeeho
Really like your video's :)
I'm gonna share this with my teachers at my college, since I know a number of them might be able to use them to explain or even show something new we can do in classes.
This is not a Raspberry Pi killer. There's a lot more going on here. First of all, if you just want a board that can do a few operating system stuff like running a web server but you also want to use the GPIO pins and stuff, nothing can beat the Pi! The forums for Raspberry Pi are just the best on the internet, sometimes I go to them to help solve my Arch Linux problems. Sure, this tinkerboard may make a better media player but as you've seen, the processing speed difference is pretty much negligible. Just like an arduino isn't a Pi killer, the tinkerboard isn't a Pi killer. It has its own place in the market.
To me- the ras pi will STAY king of sbc's if for nothing more than it's cult following in support. The sheer amount of people out there willing and able to assist with any and all questions covering every conceivable issue someone can run across is nothing short of staggering! So yeah, there's nothing out there that the Pi has to worry about dethroning it in the foreseeable future.
I maybe late to comment but I've recently purchased a Tinker Board (v1.2). Your review brought it to my attention. I've had it for but a day, and all I can say, is I'll never buy a Pi3 again! Well, now I have two of them to repurpose!
As my main SBC to use for home server duty, the Tinker Board really performs as it's price suggests, and that's perfect for my use case.
Is it a Raspberry Pi3 killer? Yes, it is indeed! IMO
Thanks for this -- and you may really like the new Tinker Board S! :) czcams.com/video/OP6OJ0JhMLU/video.html
Just thought I should follow up and say, I've settled on running Armbian, as the go-to OS for the Tinker Board. It has the most complete repos available, well it's basically Ubuntu!
E.g. running: sudo apt install lamp-server^ installs & works as it should, IME! A few other programs need to be installed manually, such as unrar & ufw. Having a few issues with Plex Server, but that was due to running TinkerOS.
Still, a few issues to work out but I'll say again, Armbian is working wonders so far.
Good thing it’s not static sensitive!
It is! But I get so much abuse here if I am seen to be wearing anti-static protection that I have it off-screen (often on an ankle!).
As far as Kodi, I'd imagine it will handle it just fine. I run Kodi on my first generation Raspberry Pi along with an SMB server, and it works alright. I did have to backfeed power as it would crash without the half a volt mine loses through the poly-fuse and it's still a bit slow to load menus, but it does the job. The Tinkerboard is obviously quite a bit more powerful than the first Pi, so I can't see why it'd have any issues.
This is awesome for competition!
For anyone who's interested: claimed power consumption is 5W compared to RPi3's 4W. Might be important for embedded systems.
Wonder what the pi 4 will be like?
I doubt it will be more powerful, because generally that is not what the pi foundation cares about, they focus on learning, not on speed. What do you all think?
Think I'll get it either way XD
Yes, I would love to see that, but the pi has its place, these clones can rarely be as good in terms of educational or just general build quality.
I cant wait to see a competitor on the same field.
HASSAN HaKMI Mabey they don't know faster pc= faster learning!
I've read that there won't be a RPi 4 because the RPi 3 is at a peak. The peak is for CPU speed and performance with 1.2 GHz, 64 bit and 4 cores. Linux runs happily in 1 Gb RAM, but 2 Gb would be good. The video processing doesn't need to be faster, but it could be. 3D graphics performance could be faster, but it's not a games machine. It's the low cost, reliability, portability, versatility and ease of use that's important.
I mostly use mine for editing documents, reading web pages and watching instructional videos. So being able to look at pdf files is useful. Also it's useful for electronics work with GPIO. WLAN is handy.
That seems interesting, however I do believe the pi zero line may have some more life in ti though, a pi zero with specs of a pi 2 or 3 seems like the next step forward. But who knows, for now all we do is wait.
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I wish I knew about this a week ago. I just bought a Raspberry Pi 3, but I would have bought the tinker board instead.
npsantini you are probably better off starting off with a raspberry pi and buying another board once you are comfortable with all the features of it
npsantini plus there are a lot of really good books on raspberry pi that can walk you through just about anything you want to do with it.
@npsantini
Hardware is not everything, the Raspberry Pi 3 has a much better software and community support.
And ASUS must first show how they will support their tinker board on the long run.
npsantini don't forget Intel CPUs use much more power then ARM Cpus I can use my Pi with a mobile power bank that means I can use in as drone or a robot it's brilliant
I would still go with ras pi myself,but in their defense, ASUS has a great track record for continuous support of their products in the pc realm. That said, I probably will invest in a tinkerboard eventually just to, well, *tinker* with, lol
It's alright. I like most of the specs but I would much rather get rid of the Bluetooth altogether, and instead have 4GB of RAM. The 4GB over 2GB of RAM on all of these makes a world of difference with performance, you get to the point where you can use these as an actual desktop computer if you put 4GB of RAM in them. Anyway great video, I have seen a few of your videos so far. Always direct and to the point, very informative. Keep up the good work, and thanks for posting this.
I hope in the future you do a comparison of this and lattepanda. Not sure which one to get at present.
Now that would be an interesting comparison. Right now, I think the Panda would win for me.
The form factor is to fit Pi cases. Spoke to the engineer who lead that team lately.
um plenty of older raspberry pi's have heat sinks... its not that unusual.
Not supplied with them though!
Great Video, I do agree that the Tinker Board has a bit to go in order to take out the Raspberry pi
Even tinker board has a 3.5 jack....
Ofcourse, Because this is "Thinker" board
JJ really pulled this one through. Very nice little board.
wonderful piece 😍
Thanks!
Yes this is a more powerful SOC than the Raspberry, but
that board can take up to 2.5 Amps according to ASUS support.
That's a lot of amps to supply through a micro USB.
I use two micro sd cards with my Tinker board. Lakka and Android.
Very interesting ! Yet alone the extra RAM compared to the Pi make it an interesting alternative!
I want a raspberry cobbler
Just wanted to say THANKS. Very informative, simple, unbiased and subscribed. I feel inspired and excited to see all the SBC. Much appreciated.
Thanks for the sub! :)
is it overclockable ?
Asus say not . . .
ExplainingComputers GIMP as far as I can remember doesn't support multi core filter processing so I think it isn't a fair test for the Asus board a more adequate test would be Geekbench I suppose
Doubt it. No bios from my understanding. No way to really do anything on the hardware level.
Darth Vader
I think you can do so by re-compile the linux kernel with your settings, including cpu clock speed.
did not know this. i have no idea how they would do this.
_Technically_, the TinkerBoard doesn't need a solid foundation because the Raspberry Pi already laid it down. This is evident, because Asus saw there didn't need to perform any major board changes, since they duplicated in its entirety the RPi3 board (attributing to its claim of "High compatibility"). This should mean most Pi projects require little to no modification by the end-user; at worst, the GPIO pins might function slightly different but that's no big deal for more adept users.
This almost feels like the old days; International Business Machines released the PC / AT, a small but dedicated userbase came into the fore and other companies saw a future where they could usurp their userbase with either a better or cheaper product. Many AT clones were released with varying success; More successful ones were usually cheaper since most users could get "Into it" without a heavy investment, but experienced AT users who value performance (or people with more money than sense) would buy more expensive kit with better features and more premium hardware.
The price appears to target the latter group, with Asus believing their profit will come from Pi users (or other clone users) who are looking for improved performance. As you seem more experienced with the Pi than a fair lot of your viewers, you commented about how "Quality" it feels with the better components and more weighty silicon. A new user wouldn't even know the difference.
Now if only companies could release a single-board PC with USB 3.1 and Thunderbolt, we'd have cheaper clones of Intel's NUC devices. There could be a market for a _very_ cheap single-board computer with very capable ports for USB-connected addons which would allow for use of such external peripherals as the Razer Core, a USB 3.1-connected PCI expansion bay target for users of graphics cards, but also allow for other PCI devices. Now all we need are cheap clones of that...
For me, nothing will ever be a true "Pi killer" in terms of what the Pi foundation has done in terms of education, providing children with a unique chance to learn to code and complete projects on such a small computer. Let's remember that the Raspberry Pi was a first of its type (at least the first to be that small and have such a huge amount of success). It's also worth remembering the price of the Pi, still a lot cheaper than its competitors. I don't like how ASUS have literally copied the Pi. Why don't they come up with something unique rather than trying to copy Pi's success?
In terms of hardware, it has been matched, but you can do more with a Pi than you can on some other "Pi killer" boards. Sure, maybe in the next 2 or 3 years, something will come along and beat the Pi in terms of hardware. But outside of the hardware, nothing will ever be a true "Pi killer" in my book.
Sean Firth what ever has come out to rival pi as always been far far more expensive.... To do the same function.... And most people use pi for small tasks anyway
I bought the KANO for my 9 year old son last xmas, and he frigging LOVES it! While I would have been much happier to go the cheaper full DIY approach, his heart was set on that product. And personally, if it makes him happy and actually keeps him always wanting more time on it, the couple of extra dollars for it is a total non-issue. And having now had it for 6 months, he has modded the bejeezus out of Minecraft- Came with the system- and has a blast "playing" on it, not even realizing he's learning invaluable skills for his future!
A little, but important, missing part in this wonderful board, it is USB 3.0 ports. As a web application developer, if it has USB 3.0 connectivity, I would consider it as my pocket development server.
how come you cannot buy it anywhere?
There are a few floating around eBay
www.ebay.com/itm/ASUS-TINKER-BOARD-2GB-90MB0QY1-M0EAY0-/272594469984?hash=item3f77e58460:g:4mEAAOSwTM5YzIRY
What other need to do is attract devs to their board. I'm a recalbox follower myself. I work with recalbox, mess around with their unstable builds and generally try to be helpful because I like the project. If they supported more than just RPi then I'd be more interested in tinkering with more than RPi.
Too bad it doesn't feature any eMMC storage. Although the speed of SD Cards has improved in later years it is still one of the biggest bottlenecks on single board computers, and makes day-to-day multitasking infeasible.
It has UHS-I support, so the IO should be significantly faster than on the Pi.
16 Gb 633x SDcards are available in Australia supermarkets. But will they be faster in RPi 3 than the microSD that comes with the RPi 3? Here is 4 tests of the RPi 3 microSD with USBDeview 2.27:
Transcend TSRASPI10-16G Raspberry Pi by Element 14
Pre-installed with NOOBS
Write Speed: 4.72, 4.21, 5.32, 6.37 MB/Sec
Read Speed: 18.96, 18.97, 18.85, 18.98 MB/Sec
***** Almost certainly not. The RPi is limited to High Speed mode, it does not support UHS and most modern cards max out High Speed mode, so without UHS there's no competition.
You can set a pi up with the OS on a USB connected hard disk and then it only uses the SD card for the initial boot. I've been using my pi 3 with a Samsung SSD in a USB drive caddy for a year now and the performance is very good. The boot time is just 20 seconds to the full desktop IDE. Program's load quickly as well.
ssd in usb 2.0 on rpi 3 . LOL. talk about burning money
Asus has a good reputation as a board-builder, and this thing reflects some good decisions. More memory, the supplied heat-sink, taking advantage of the Pi ecosystem for cases, &c. (though they obviously have some work to do on the software support mechanisms). Price/performance seems reasonable; if you need the extra power. 70% higher price for twice the memory and 50% faster, 10x Ethernet but in absolute $, not terribly significant.
Faster Ethernet could be an asset for prototyping networks. USB 3.0 on at least one port would have been a big jump, but what impact would that have on the price?
you have to understand who made it.asus
Just found out that the lack of support is because technically, the tinkerboard hasn't been released yet. It's only a couple of retailers that have started selling ahead of date. It's also good that you didn't test the 4K yet as the decoder drivers haven't been finished yet apparently and will launch towards the very end of the month (again, apparently, according to ASUS pr).
So would be interesting to see where we stand in a couple of weeks / a month's time :)
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Bill gates is that you?
It's quite an achievement that the Raspberry Pi (its form factor, specs & performance) is now almost an industry standard and something that which other SBC computers are judged by.
Will we get a conclusive 'is it worth buying' answer in the next video?
Yes, indeed. Amazing how the Pi is/has defined a standard. It seems that the Tinker Board is not officially released yet (even though I could easily buy one). Once I have tried Kodi and other software -- and some cases -- I will return to the "is it worth buying" question! :)
Tinker Tinker little board,
How I wonder what you are.. 🤔
Raspberry Pi would be crushing competition in the future if they add PCI Expansion port support.
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An informative and fair video review, you are the 'go to' CZcamsr for SBC reviews. I'm sure your comment about the community support will ring true for the Raspberry Pi, fair play to Asus for producing such a board however and like any intelligent reviewer you have kept your options open for the future, in particular I will be VERY interested in the way it will handle Kodi.