Miami Dice, Episode 182 - Pandemic Legacy (Final Look)
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- Tom and Sam (with guests Zee and Jason) discuss the journey and conclusion of their Pandemic Legacy campaign.
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Best ending EVER!!!! Lol
+paganeagle2001 That is exactly what I was about to post!!
+3omar Faruq Perfect analogy :)
Very Meta from a previous video... And I completely agree, loved it!!
Very Meta from a previous video... And I completely agree, loved it!!
Jason! You star!
That guy that hates it when Zee makes his guest appearances on Miami Dice most likely just imploded! I, however, was happy to see all four of you in the video.
Zee and Jason are funny or interesting in their own way. I always prefer when Miami Dice has more than two people's opinion.
Zee is the best of the three. This Jason guy is forgettable.
+stratagon Whaaa, there are people who hate Zee?!
+ExBruinsFan You're a jerk.
An Epic Ending! Nicely done to you all - Tom, Sam, Zee and of course Jason :-)
Best ending EVER! I can't stop laughing at Sam tackling Jason.
Awesome ending!
+Xaintrix
Of course, because everything is awesome.
Great review, great ending!
I will SO watch all your play through episodes and i don't care for spoilers, as i probably will never play it anyway. Still, even if i might play it at some point, but missing such opportunity to watch you 4 playing??? No way! :)
Nice ending. lol Good job Sam!
Cannot wait for the play through :)
Once Jason started talking I could see the ending coming a mile away but still laughed my butt off. Well done guys. Good stuff.
That was hilarious, guys. You gotta do fun stuffs like this more often!
I keep watching the end again and again and I still find it funny
Fantastic ending to a fantastic looking game.
twist ending!!!! loved it!
Holy smokes that ending LOL
OOOOH THAT ENDING MADE MY DAY!!!! super funny!
Love the ending :D
I spy a character from Mage Wars from Arcane Wonders on the top left of the shelf above Tom's head! :D
Nice one, guys:)
they said it ends...but they didn't say if you can continue to play it as an altered Pandemic board.
+Ken Colborn I pretty sure they meant you can't.
+Ken Colborn I was wondering the same, but I'm affraid Ki Mansell is right :(
+Ki Mansell I'd like to know for sure... I love my Risk Legacy board even though the campaign is won, we still get to play on it, have a wicked cool game and go for nostalgia at the same time. If I seriously can't play more Pandemic after the campaign on our custom board, I'm not buying it, no matter what they say about "value per play". Confirmation would be very nice - can this be played after the campaign ends?
+Ken Colborn What's to stop you?
Since the game is labeled "Season 1" I'm assuming they'll put out expansions that pick up where season 1 ends. I'm ok with that personally, but I could see why it would be discouraging for some people.
Fine job, ending was very funny, lol made a good end to a long week
the ending was awesome :)
Damn, nice tackle Sam...
Two questions for the panel: do you think you would enjoy playing a different group's version of a finished Pandemic AND how different do you think it would be from your finished version ?
Haha, the ending was great!
lol great ending!!!
just curious, if you had gotten through 24 plays and lost, would you be interested enough to go through another copy to see the winning end???
Hahaha loved the ending
WHAHAHAHAHAHAHA GREAT JOB DICE TOWER I LOVE YOU GUYS SO MUCH!!!!
I don't know why but my first reaction was that Jason started swearing out of nowhere ...and then I remembered about all the spoilery stuff you said ... I guess I am dumb :) Great ending ;)
I didn't anticipate this ending :D hilarious :)
That ending made me laugh hard! :-D
I wonder if there is a hidden packet under the insert.
Very funny way to end the video. Just to clarify, are you guys saying the game is unplayable at the end of the "year"? What if you don't beat the last month, can you try again? Should you just throw the thing in the trash when you're finished? Thanks!
I wish they had asked each other if they will play season 2 if and when it comes out
+The Dice Tower I do wonder how well this would play with my wife and 2 daughters (age 9 and 11).
They have played Pandemic with us before, but there does have to be a little hand-holding while playing it, so I'm wondering how well it plays with younger kids.
+jcb3393 Do you just play the base game or the expansions with your family? Half of the first game of January is regular plain old Pandemic and then minor additions are slowly added month by month. By the time you hit the summer the game is quite different from basic Pandemic with lots of extra rules and things to keep track of. It's good that it builds off of the last game and you have to make sure you fully understand all the new elements from the previous month. I'm only 1/2 way through but I would expect strategy wise that at this point the game would be a bit complex for children, and I can't comment on the end of the game. I would probably recommend it in a year or two.
Storywise they'll love it, but following all the changes could be a bit difficult.
Nick Carriere Yeah, we only play the base game - no expansions.
Thanks for the tip.
Wow, that punch was realistic :))
Is there a different storyline with the red version
Hi, i'm thinking on picking this game up. Is it posible to play a game like regular pandemic? i don't have pandemic and i thought i could use this to first introduce it to my game group and then play the legacy part.
+Mauricio Monsalves Pino They said in an earlier video it has an intro for players new to pandemic, where you play some games without triggering the legacy part. I'll assume it would be pretty close to regular pandemic.
Thanks man. I was actually about to buy pandemic when i saw the first video and have been waiting since
I like the way Jason is the "meg" of this group :D
Is the 1 hour play-time for this about right for all the games across the board?
Love the ending, I bet Jason was slowly coming to the boil throughout the whole vid in wanting to rave about the cool stuff that happens in PL, hehehe
+Phil Sheep If you've played regular Pandemic then you'd know that the game will have to end if you run out of the deck, so play time 60-75 minutes is the longest I'd say. Some months introduce a few slight changes, while others add major changes so there's some variation of about 5-10. Choosing where to start, what characters you'll use, what upgrades to take at the end of the game also adds some time. I'd say in total 60-90 minutes per game is reasonable. Today we played one game in 90 minutes but our less session was 2 games in 2 hours.
+Nick Carriere Thanks for that - we only got 1 game in during our 1st session, but then we had the overhead of running through the rules and getting into it - a couple of our group have only played the original 1-2 times, a few years ago. I'm sure we can rattle through games a lot quicker, now that we are up to speed.
DT crew,
Based on how this game plays out, do you think Pandemic Legacy season 2 is going to be a continuation of the storyline from this one, or completely separate?
Any word about the difference in boxes? Red/Blue. Any word on further scenarios?
+Stephen Meyer Pretty sure Z-Man said early on there was no difference inside. Found it on the Pandemic facebook page:
"Pandemic - The Board Game No
difference between the 2. We just offer 2 boxes so you can either
choose your favorite, or have 2 different boxes for 2 different group"
+Lachlan Blackmore AKA CASH GRAB EXTRAVAGANZA
Excellent ending joke!
If you were playing with a group of 3, would you use just three characters, or use 4 characters and rotate who controls the fourth character?
+Keith Kaider 4 hands down. 3 might be ok, but 2 is too easy and overpowered. You may want to change up your team often as new surprises surface and experiencing more character combos is really fun. If you find 4 is too much to keep track of you could just scale it back down to 3, but the game will be easier (start with 9 cards instead of 8, less people you have to trade with, you can use the "better" actions more frequently, etc.)
I'm getting it soon and still know nothing. ;-)
I was just wondering if you now play a regular game of Pandemic, do you play it on the customized board?
Guideaux Pelagos No. The board makes itself basically unplayable during the last month. I mean, you can technically play on it, but what's left of the game would be way too easy and not fun at all. I won't say why (spoilers), but ultimately there's no game to play after December. I personally am severely disappointed in that; having won in just 14 games, it was a great experience for me, but over way too quickly for the money it cost. I won't be supporting Legacy-style games again.
Thanks for the no spoilers part. ;-) I'm ok with getting the official game again if Legacy turns out to be as much fun as it promises to be. I am not sure to play with 2 or 4 players yet... if I'd play with 2 players...would you suggest each person has 2 charcters or would just 2 characters be better? Cheers!
2 characters is actually easier - with more, the player cards get spread out across multiple hands, making the effort to get the right cards to the right players way easier, so cures happen faster. Plus, if you're like me and think the Medic is vital and OP, he gets to do his thing after every other Infection phase. And to hell with "spoiler warnings" - just don't ever give him the Paramilitary Escort perk EVER. A moment WILL arise when you'll thank me for that advice HARDCORE.
DAT ENDING
Haha, that ending... !
Is the blue and red games completely different experiences - I.e., is one like watching the movie Contagion while the other might be Outbreak? If so, would it be worth getting both versions of the game? Do you guys believe this still is in the running for game of the year?
Blue and red boxes are entirely identical inside.
And theres Season 2 to come........?
I'd be interested in a spoiler filled video to hear what you think and have an open discussion of the events. I have no interest in playing the game but it would be cool to hear how they developed the game.
If there's little replay value, then they just clarified why it's Season 1. Season 2 would have a different story. Maybe results from Season 1 influence the start of Season 2?
awesome ending, he got owned!! :)
I'm on the fence about buying this :/. I love the Pandemic games (in particular Pandemic:The Cure is fantastic) and I do like the idea behind huge changes that have a play on the game sessions ahead of it. What keeps me from instantly ordering this is being unable to re-use the game. At least that's what I keep hearing and reading. I understand there isn't a "reset" option as the changes kinda cement the personal experience, but being able to open the game later on and play through the fully customized game would be fantastic. perhaps if the price was a little lower It wouldn't be such a sour note that it's a possible one game use (even if it's over multiple sessions)
It's a one shot thing. If you can get a game group together to play through it all, I think it's worth it. Throw out any ideas of using the board after the campaign is done. If the experience of one cohesive campaign playthrough (over 18ish sessions) sounds fun, then go for it. If you haven't bought it already, they reprinted not long ago (before the reprint, copies were going for $100+ in the grey market).
But, will you play season 2?!
nice ending.
Funny ending
I think they could release a new Pandemic Legacy every year, just with a slightly different story each time with new things coming up or not coming up.
+PreppinShootinLivin You mean like.... "seasons"? Maybe they already thought of it since this is only Season 1.
I'm actually really hoping that season 2 will be a continuation of the same story started in season 1, rather than a new variation on the same kind of story. It would be especially cool if the seasons progress like seasons in a TV show, with the story growing larger in scope as the series goes on.
I don't know what happens in the game, but I think it would be cool if, for example, Season 1 ends on a cliffhanger where the players discover that a bioterrorist has been engineering the viruses all along. Then Season 2 could pick up right where Season 1 ends, with the players forming a special task force to hunt down and stop the bioterrorists while still fighting the epidemic. Or maybe at the end of Season 1 a deadly new supervirus appears in a certain country or city and then Season 2 could be about trying to cure that supervirus while trying to slow the spread of the quarantine zone. There are a lot of really cool places I would love to see them take the storyline with future seasons.
Can you play normal Pandemic with this set?
Other Pandemic-Legacy Like that you recommand ?
To all the people saying it's bad value, how many board games do you own that you've played more than 15-20 times? In my gaming circle it would take years to play a game that many times, and by then there's newer stuff that may outdate the old games. I would think that I've only played the modern staples (7-wonders, Catan, probably not even my person ticket to ride, etc.) that many times. We do own a lot of games however and prefer variety. Say the game is $60 and you split it 4 ways? How many $15 games do you own that you've played 15-20 times? The Resistance is the only thing that comes to mind. Heck you'll get the 20+ hours of a video game or something of that sort.
Don't think of it as a game. It's a social activity and EXPERIENCE with a good story line. The game is just tacked on. You go out and do any activity with friends and it'll cost you more than $15 a person. (Fancy meal, movies, drinks, museum even).
I want to make it clear that you can only play through this game ONCE. I won't spoil anything, but you do break/lose components throughout the 12 months and you can't reset when you finish. The game is amazing and well worth it, but you can't play it again without re-buying the game.
Hah well done Jason, stick it to the man!
so I'm the type of person that watched Batman begins 3 times the first weekend it came out. so I don't think I'm going to have a problem replaying it.
could someone bring me a glass of water I'm all out of drool
It would never occur to me to ask whether I would play this game from the beginning more than once. My one and only concern is whether it is worthy of being played 12 to 24 sessions as designed. Wake up world, there is more than one way to make games.
Indeed, you can make a good game with great value, or a sleazy scam with limited replay value. Charging the price of a new copy for those who want to reset the campaign or play with a different group. Take off your "Please rip me off" sign. Suckers.
+ExBruinsFan I own ZERO games, where each game session is 60 to 90 minutes, that I have played 12 to 24 times. ZERO. It's not how I roll -- I like to own more games and play them less frequently.
I don't consider myself a "sucker" and your comment is insulting and ignorant. Do you know how to express your opinion without insulting other people for theirs? Are you six years old?
Guys is it even possible to play this with different groups of people? can people drop out without hurting the experience?
+MarcusWindrune If it's anything like Risk Legacy I'm guessing people can substitute in and still manage to play just fine after getting them caught up on the game state. That being said, they'll be missing out on a lot by jumping into the middle, and I think it's generally best to stick with the same group from start to finish if you can get everyone to commit for that long.
Duct tape, huh? I hope You keep Jason this way... ;-)
I beat it in 13, but I had to house rule some things... you know, playing it solo.
You know, I honestly, don't know if that ending was staged or not. I could totally see him inadvertently spoiling something, and them just running with it.
Jason wants to keep games pristine but he doesn't sleeve?
I wonder how many losses there would have been if Jason wasn't on the team. Dude is an alpha gamer but knows his stuff.
+Jacob Mohr Considering Zee is the master of Pandemic, I think they would do ok with or without Jason alpha gamering the entire thing (which I doubt he would do with both Sam and Tom there).
ROFL!!
Zee looks like a giant in this vid
Jason should stay that way...Silence is platinum in this case.
Poor Jason got gagged by sam
Hilarious!
Sam... $50/17plays= $2.94 per play; not 75 cents. But still, I agree with the overall argument and think this game was worth every penny.
Per person. He said 75 cents per person, per game.
JetsDuck
OH! My bad. I was scratching my head on that one. Sorry, Sam!!
haha best ending :D
Hahahaha!
Funny :)
heeheehee. Jason gets censored. :D
muahahahaha!!!
Was that scripted at the end?
ummm...of course! Do you seriously think we would just do something like that to someone?
I'd like to see you tackle Jason more often, actually.
+Sam Healey You have been known to threaten punches to the throat! That was a good tackle though, your HS Football coach would be proud.
Wouldn't put it past you, Slammin' Sammy after that overrated board games panel =P
Lol.....
VERY disingenuous of Sam to claim that this amounts to a good value, when you have to BUY A NEW COPY to reset the campaign. I am pretty sure that you would not have bought this on your own, Sam. You KNOW it is not a good value.
These Legacy games are an abomination. Using a very cynical marketing scheme. Damn Rob Daviau for unleashing this plague upon the Earth. I will NEVER buy a game with his name on it.
Sean Thompson
Well, the thing that makes these games special (in a GOOD way) is that you design them as you play them. That is a great mechanic, IMO. You don't get that once the campaign is done.
I think we will eventually see similar games WITH the ability to reset the campaign.
For now, Daviau has chosen to force a re-purchase to do so. He actually had the nerve to say on BGG that the 'buy another copy' effect wasn't even THOUGHT OF while the game was being developed.
I wouldn't touch this with a 10 foot pole. Absolute cash grab.
60.00 for a disposable board game?
Pass.
Nice that this one can be 2 player, much broader opportunity for full play through than Risk:Legacy. Thanks for asking that question.
Awesome ending!