Could The Best Porsche Be An EV? | 2022 Porsche Taycan Sport Turismo
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- čas přidán 13. 12. 2021
- The legendary 911 will always hold a special place in my heart, but I have to admit that id budget were no option, I'd probably buy the Taycan Cross Turismo or GTS Sport Turismo instead. Obviously the usual EV benefits are here: instant and linear acceleration and no waiting on a transmission to shift when you exit a corner. But it's combined with Porsche's expertise in steering and chassis design and the final product is more than the sum of its parts. The drivetrain, steering, and suspension are as well integrated as any other Porsche. The result? This is simply the ultimate performance EV and IMHO, possibly the best Porsche ever built. As long as you're not road tripping...
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If I had to pick one EV in the world to do it all for me, this would be it.
I'm with you, definitely the best looking version. Hopefully Audi makes an Avant version of the E-Tron GT.
Yep. Without question, given it’s built in the same factory.
1. I agree with Alex. This is better looking than the sedan, especially in Frozen Blue or Mamba Green
2. In the real world. this tests out ay 260-280 miles of range
Real life use is the most usefull. My Taycan have 14.000km after a half year ownership. The best car ever!
@@MrStian78 The best thing for the Taycan is the 22 kW onboard charger, which is optional here in Germany. It needs only 4.5 hours to charge the battery from 0-100% at an AC outlet.
I guess that 95% of Taycan owners, who have a "normal" usage below 350 km/200 miles of daily driving, won't need public DC fast charging anyways, if they have a wallbox charger plus such a 22 kW onboard charger. With such an equipment, the battery is fully charged every day in the morning when you step in your Taycan.
I think, the 22 kW charger is the best option you can get for the Taycan.
I also think, that charging the Taycan mostly at home with relatively "low" 22 kW will save a lot of its battery life. The battery longevity suffers a lot, if you charge the battery very often or even daily with almost brutal 260-270 kW, which are possible with the Taycan.
@@user-jf8gd3lv7q why do you need that? 🤷🏼♂️ I drive 40.000km a year and I would never have the need for the 22kw chargers. 11KW at home is perfect. I am home for at least 10 hours anyway.
Alex, You're crazy!! I don't believe that but you asked for us to do it so I complied. For the record, the wagon is always the best version. Kudos to Porsche for supplying so much headroom in a sleek car.
Personally, I think you’re crazy for thinking he’s crazy. 🤪
Alex, I am so happy to see you get a chance to take out a Taycan again since 2019. I had watched your Taycan reviews s many times then. Loved your charging video.
Thanks for clarifying that EPA range situation. So many other reviewers refer to Tesla’s EPA range compared to other EV’s without ever mentioning it and it drives me insane.
You know you’re a good reviewer when you film a perfect review of a Porsche (which can be configured in millions of ways). Hope to see more Porsche reviews/drives on this channel.
Never seen a review of a Taycan without most of the suspension options and with just the standard seats and standard (non-leather!) dashboard... I wonder why...
“In a Porsche, the ignition switch, is on the left.” 😂 I had to!
I love this design!!! I’m a hatchback junkie so that explains it. My next dream car!!
I have a Taycan 4S Cross Turismo in dark cherry red. My glass roof is in reactolite glass (expensive). My version doesn't have the drive mode toggle. Drive modes are changed on the touch screen. This vehicle, whether in Cross or Sport Turismo form, is probably the best EV available today.
Great review and very helpful
Hi Tom a great video as usual. Keep up the good work. Seasons’ Greeting! Michael in Dublin Ireland
Tom?
"As an engineering company, Porsche..."
Exactly. The above is exactly what Tesla is not. They're a silicon valley tech company that is trying to make cars. Porsche is an engineering company that actually makes some of the best cars in the world.
for what it's worth, the ceo of the vw group (porsche's parent company) has stated that their aim is to become a technology company. this is the wave of the future, for better or worse. I say this as a porsche owner.
Alex, how does this compare to the CROSS turismo? Is that one better for more all around driving, such as snow conditions etc? Wonderful review ,thank you.
I appreciate you fixing mistakes or mentioning it but your very much human and no need to apologize over and over.. your good. educated people know what u meant. Good review and hope u have a good holiday if u dont post anything before xmas.
Continuously-added variants get confusing. I appreciated the explanation.
@@aliendroneservices6621 thanx Alex er alien
Like Tom Voelk I was all in on the Cayman GTS 4.0 until this came along. And this Sport version, in Carmen Red, looks especially amazing.
A friend of mine has one of those in black. It`s absolutely stunning. The one thing I don`t like is how cramped the interior feels.
Got a 2022 Taycan CT4 last month and love it..but for a GTS ST allocation what would I do? Hmm hard question for sure! 😏
I think this thing is very attractive. Great review.
Nice rainy day review.
I was in a Taycan a couple of weeks back and after getting rid of my model S it was nice to be in something built well from real materials. The S seemed ok but next to the quality in the Porsche it soon became obvious it was really just dressed up junk.
Oh and on the Porsche all the panels seemed to fit correctly too. My S looked like it had been poorly accident repaired from new.
What options did you get?
just paste the build-sheet codes. Thanks.
What did you buy after getting rid of your Model S?
It is pretty amazing elon can get so many suckers to pony up big bucks for his junk! It makes the madof con look like amateur hour!!!
@@garrettw99 Ford Kuga (escape) plug-in. Top trim was less than half the cost of the S, still does all my daily use on electric and seems to be put together properly - though I did have to wait a couple of months while Ford were sorting out their battery fire problems(!).
Another big difference to Tesla there because Ford kept me up to date on what was happening, lead times and even gave me a free upgrade to the later specification (it changed while I was waiting so free B&O stereo which I previously optioned) and they gave me a £750 fuel card as a good will gesture.
By contrast when I reported the hatch not lining up properly and some of the trim inside falling off on the S, they put it on a list. After waiting for the call back which never came for a week I called them again and was told the earliest they had was another fortnight. I took that and the guy turned up in a little van then started dismantling my car on the drive in light drizzle. After around three hours he had the trim pieces back on (with a suspicious smell of glue) and the hatch lid was closer but still not straight. That, the mis-aligned bonnet (which eventually failed to open) and the rear door were never aligned properly even after multiple calls and three seperate call outs.
The funny thing is the Ford which cost around £40k has no squeaks, rattles or build issues while the tesla at £88k never stopped squeaking, rattling and generally looking like thrown together rubbish.
The power was nice but as Alex aluded to here - it was a one trick pony because everything else about the experience was very sub standard for a car at that price. The Renault Zoe it replaced was better built which is saying something because that wasn't great.
I'm looking seriously at the Taycan, Etron and EQS now. I found the Taycan a little tight to get in and out (I'm not exactly a small guy) but only slightly tighter than the S. Once in it it fits very well but I'm not sure I want to fold myself up every time I need to get in/out so I'm going to look at the other two aswell.
@@LWRC Well I fell for it because all the fanboys on the internet give them rave reviews while "forgetting" to mention the downsides. Mostly that they are built like a mid 80's Fiat only with worse panel gaps.
Once bitten and all that - Tesla won't be seeing my money again and I'm not the only one.
So happy this video was made
Love the shooting brake style. Hoping North America will at some point get the Taycan’s cousin the VW Arteon Shooting Brake. Looks sick. Wagons are on their at back as Crossovers start to fade and gas prices climb
My Favorite vehicle on the road is the Porsche Panamera 4S e-hybrid sports Turismo in base form rather than that bonkers SE hybrid version! The best of both worlds really.
The broad front fenders, the low profile, the wide hips in the back, the sloping rear seat area, they all remind me of the Kia EV6 🙃
Alex~ Do you think we will start to see some new Wagon variants come to market.?
Tested a Taycan last summer, and I have to say that the only thing I didn't like about it (apart from the price) is how well they have hidden the gear selector XD
I would like to see an Audi etron gt wagon. I think that would suit me better. Still love this EV, if only I had the funds.
I agree, that would be a pretty sexy car. I think Audi would sell a lot of those.
Anybody else notice at 13:05? I really like my AC vents to be fully "focussed".
What about the base Cross Turismo? Would that be as engaging to drive? Price is much lower
Thank you VERY much for explaining the EPA rating details to everybody here!
I think, EPA should enforce ONE (the most precise) measurement methodology. The data is meant to be useful for comparision!
(Porsches sand-bagging is annoying. Smart marketing move though, as influencers can keep saying "they always over-deliver!".)
Of course you will rarely reach (precise version) EPA numbers in your normal driving, their are supposed to be conservative driving under optimal conditions - but at least they should be measured the same way for everybody!
The problem there is some cars can be far more efficient in that tiny window where very little energy is used. Tesla is a perfect example of this. If somehow you manage to get the planets to align I'm sure you can hit their epa numbers but passengers, heating, wet roads and all the rest have a pretty significant impact on them.
Something like a V8 truck on the other hand won't change a lot with those factors so it starts off looking a lot worse (because it is) but doesn't lose out anywhere near as much as all the normal use factors are thrown at it.
@@siraff4461 are you basically just saying "EVs are so efficient, small influences make a big difference"?
Well duh..
Would still be the same for similar cars and the exact same lab test would give exact COMPARABLE results.
I don't think Porsche is planning to get more marketing from underrating. German companies are like that for ever even before CZcams lol
@@NO3V Thats the thing though - it would only be comparable for similar cars and its an easy system to game because you just make your car ultra efficicnt in a tiny window no one in real driving will ever use.
This is exactly why the European version had to change their testing procedure a few years back. You had cars like the Fiat twinairs which would look like 60mpg+ on the test then get mid 30's in the real world and others like the Mercedes 220d which would get 60+ on test but actually do 50+ pretty easily in real driving.
Tesla are experts at playing these games which is why their numbers are nonsense for all but the few who seek to replicate the test as closely as possible.
Now I'm all for one test if its a fair one but that would involve loading the car to a reasonable extent as it would be in real use.
Sitting it on a dyno and making the wheels spin a bit is hardly the same as normal use for normal users.
@@narenn9500 I think the idea is the quoted numbers are achieveable for anyone. Its the same with their performance numbers. If Alex had done a launch it would probably have been pretty close to its claimed time even on a wet road.
Looking at other tests it makes about 0.4s difference over a 1/4 mile.
Alex are you ever planning to review the Panamera?
I love the wagons!
One quick correction, its not the best regen, the EQS 580 can do 290. I agree with the one pedal thing, its not for me. BTW porsche have always had amazing brakes In the 80's I drove a 911 turbo ( a car that would now be considered woefully slow) and was amazed that the brakes were so brutally effective that it almost felt like you had hit a wall.
Best AoA thumbnail ever, and not because of the awesome car. Has a Straight Pipes vibe. Well, maybe the one with Alex sitting in the bed of the Santa Cruz hot tub-style was better.
Who would have thought we'd be saving the planet by producing and driving 5000+ pound EVs? In this particular car, I really like having to adjust the climate vents using one of the many touch screens - brilliant! I understand Porsche is incorporating this into all of their Lemans race cars for improved safety.
I'm simply at a loss as to why the vents need to be on a touchscreen. What problem is being solved by that? I appreciate your comment (i.e. I get your comment).
Porsche is wildin with that roof screen
Alex I really like your top two choices on EVs, I agree that the Taycan and the EQS is where I would be today as well.
I got a Taycan 4S in Nov 2020, now with over 22k miles on it. I constantly look for opportunities to drive, it just wants to go places. The charging is indeed insane vs most other EVs.
Well, if money were no object, I'll just get a loaded blue Porsche Taycan Cross Turismo Turbo S, blue Mercedes Benz EQS, and blue Tesla Model X Plaid. Then all the bases are covered.
However, it looks like I'll be able to order these next February 30th.
The Audi 4 door looks much better to my eye
Nahhh your mad mate ....the Audi looks over weight from the boot
why does the speedo go up by increments 40 each time instead of 20 each time
I do like the GTS version of the Taycan, however, the swathes of Alcantara-type material used in the interior are a real deal breaker for me.
What would your prefer? -Travis
A bit of a stretch to call that a wagon or even a shooting brake.
Looks like a hatchback to me but sexy as hell none the less.
The Gundam of electric sport sedans.
Made a guitar cover video for Gundam.
3:08 what was that?
The regenerative braking power of the Taycan models can go up to more than 290 kW, not 270 kW, like Alex claims in this video. Porsche has upgraded the regenerative braking power in the Taycan this year.
Ohh man it's beautiful! Perfect EV for someone that can afford it.
i am disappointed we are not getting it AUSTRALIA I wanted to get this particular car
Beautiful Car!
God, it's looks properly stunning.
5:30 "This is one of the..." Tautology.
Damn you for showing this, I’m trying to avoid it so I won’t put a deposit down!
Ya it’s a gorgeous car. 😍
This thing will be close to $200k with the dealer markups. The Taycan was made for people that already own a 911.
Award for most Unique for sure.
it's so perfect! 😍
Looks good overall and well built, though would've expected the interior to be a bit more premium for the price. Would definitely pick this over the Model S every single day if those were my two choices though.
Probably the first car I'd buy if I won the lottery.
Do you play the lottery?
I'm in if they give me a 50% discount...
maybe in 5 years I'll pick up a little used one.
Already another variation of the Taycan, starting to think Tesla has stalled, the model S is damn near 10 years old now. I haven't heard of a new model from the ground up being built. All we got was a refresh
Funny.
You are saying this like there was much new on that Taycan. The GTS (ST) is literally a slightly detuned Turbo (CT) with the "SportDesign Paket lackiert in Schwarz (hochglanz)" (4.986,10 €) included as well as a few of the other options you can get on basically any Taycan. The Race Tex seats are apart from a different cloth on the center lane identical to what you can get on a base taycan as the free non-leather option and then adding the "Adaptive Sportsitze Plus vorne (18-Wege, elektrisch) mit Memory-Paket" (2.034,90 €) plus the headrest stitching.
Porsche is just very good at having influencers do the marketing for their new option packages as "new models".
The S also got roughly a dozen major refreshes/model changes and probably thousands of little changes not even including software updates.
The Plaid (and LR, so technically code name Palladium) is underneath the skin (and even that is quite a bit wider) drastically different, even from the directly previous revision (Raven) - fully redesigned battery pack, power electronics (closer to Model 3/Y), obviously the carbon overwrapped motors, different suspension (airtank for the shocks doubles as front strut brace), different HVAC and motor/battery cooling, the obviously, completely different interior (and they even moved the panel further forward for more passenger space), etc. etc.
It's a new car that looks similar to the old one to the uninitiated. You, know, similar (even more extreme) to what Rolls-Royce, Range-Rover or Porsche tend to do.
Wagons are almost always better than sedans.
My model 3 absolutely gives me Max regen under breaking until I drop below a certain speed. About 20 mph.
The thing he was saying is that when you press the brake pedal in a Tesla, that is only using friction brakes and barely any regen. You can only get max regen when using one-pedal-drive. I also have a Model 3 and that is how it works.
@@garrettw99 I see max regen when I step on the brake. I guess I don't understand what he's talking about.
@@Bluelightning23 Yes. You're seeing the "max regen" because you took your foot off the accelerator pedal. You are seeing the exact same regen whether you press the brake or not.
@alliejr ok, understand now, thanks.
Love flying brakes. All sedans should be so.
I've been hoping for an EV wagon (NOT an SUV)... and of course it's 130k! Not exactly the people's car I was waiting for
The Audi 4 door has a much better look IMHP
Yeah I think the A7 looks sexy, but this looks good too. This is more practical at least
Yes, this is the best version of the Taycan!
Porsche sports wagon 😍
The best sports electric is the only one? Shocking
Hey Alex when are you gonna get your hands on either Tesla Model X or Model S? I'm dying to hear your thoughts
why? hes said plenty about teslas in the past.
Tesla doesn’t loan their cars out to the press, they can’t handle bad reviews.
@@bostondan77 😁😀😅😂🤣
I agree, the best looking wagon, even tops the Ferrari FF
Do a cayenne!
"Blended braking" is brake-by-wire.
Ok.
I mean, it’s hard to have regenerative braking without wires.
Wow
I wouldn't even look at a Tesla when this is available for sale. Fit and finish are superior, brand is superior, quality is top notch and the customer service is a hundred times better.
20:40 Winter driving on wide summer tires. Completely insane.
Is L.A. winter really winter? Most places get more rain in the summer then L.A. gets all year.
He's in California and it's 50F according to the dash thermometer. Hardly an insane risk.
So you would call mild weather and a little drizzle "winter"?
Please stay away from cars.
clearly never been to LA....
Summer tires do pretty well in SoCal winters. Here, they are safer than all-seasons because braking distance is shorter in summer tires when it is dry, which is 99% of the time.
I would get the EQS for weekdays and a Porsche 992 GT3 fot the weekends.
everything is an option so expected to pay 10-15% more
That's just a homely looking car.
The proportion of Taycan sedan is chicer
I would put my money in the bank.
peasant
This is a sexy beast.
I'm seeing a tiger nose effect on that great glass roof (said a KIA stinger owner!) Thx Alex!
Honestly, the Model S isn't even in the same league... not even close.
$190k....
Alex is right, compared to a Porsche, Tesla feels like a junkyard car for poor people! 🙈
Teslas are junk only the rich can afford.
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It’s not any other cars competitor but Porsche Panamera. So why are you talking about Lucid?
Get a grip!
Careful driving Porsches Alex - they ruin all other cars for you. If you care about the driving experience, that's where all the extra money goes into.
Literally NONE of your viewers will ever buy this, Alex. Thanks!
It's definitely on my short list.
@@Mrrlamb1 Yup… of wet dreams.
Its really nothing new for Porsche from the design perspective. It looks like a refreshed Panamera, a design I never liked.
Tesla Model S really is just one trick pony, the only advantage I heard from people is just acceleration, basically everything else sucks, handling and brakes are bad, not to mention the notorious build quality.
A roomy family sedan. Very quick. Quiet. Low to no maintenance. Cheap to run. Super safe in a crash. You mean atleast a "five trick pony"?
I don't think you're crazy for liking this car, Alex. It is your opinion and if you bought one your money. My opinion is I like it right up to where the back doors straight. All downhill for me after that. It's like a beautiful Porshe with a big, stinky, sh*tty diaper behind it. Don't get the wagon thing, especially for a 130 Gs. No. So many other more beautiful cars I could think of for that money.
Is this still the least efficient EV in the world? And how about all the Taycans that have a real risk of catching fire? LOL! Anyone wasting money on this piece of crap really has a lot more money than common sense!
Its only as efficent as the way you drive it.
Huh, i heard somewhere that gasoline can also catch fire...maybe you can help me answer that?
An EV version of any vehicle is NEVER the best option. Law enforcement, emergency responders and the military do not depend on battery powered vehicles. If you take your vehicle seriously and use it as a necessity and not as a toy, then it should not have batteries as the primary source of power.
Yep, this is what the posse told Henry Ford in 1908...
@@aussie2uGA And you obviously have not figured out where those electrons to charge the batteries come from!
@@LWRC depends what your power source is. If it’s coal, driving an EV creates more toxic emissions than a hybrid. If natural gas, nuclear, or renewable, an EV is better for the environment than a hybrid. And coal is quickly being replaced by these cleaner forms of energy.
@@garrettw99 LOL....of course. But the incremental gains are miniscule and these cars are hardly driven efficiently so to say EVs are greener is completely nonsense and it is unbelievabke so many have been sucked down this black hole. Very very few of these cars are charged by renewable sources!!!
@@LWRC You are ignoring the fact that EVs are much more efficient than ICE vehicles. So even if charging is coming from coal (about 50% nationally in US and rapidly decreasing), your energy consumption is still about 1/5th of that of a comparable ICE car (in fact, even coal power plants are more efficient than ICE cars, around 40-45% vs. 30-35% for a modern ICE car and 80%+ for EV). While ICE cars have reached peaked efficiency, EVs will continue to get cleaner as coal powerplants are eliminated and sourcing of raw materials becomes more sustainable. Military, police and fire are very specific use cases. Since fire and police vehicles spend much of their time idling, electric powertrains actually make a ton of sense once the infrastructure is in place. Electric tanks with engines used only as generators (diesel-electric locomotive setup, basically) have been around since WW2.
So happy this video was made