Satanta, Satank, and Big Tree Attack the Warren Wagon Train near Graham, TX, 1871
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- In this episode we read a story from "Texas Indian Troubles" by Hilory G. Bedford, and "Indian Depredations in Texas," about the attack by Kiowa Indians on the Warren Wagon Train, also known as the Salt Creek Massacre. General William Tecumsah Sherman and Colonel Ranald MacKenzie bring them to justice.
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This is the most underrated channel about the west or history in general on youtube. Please make longer form vids.
@NVMVNV What have Indians Contributed ? Not Shit...
@NVMVNV LOL ! They invented what ? Conquered what ? They were not even a good scrimmage.
Thanks for keeping these stories alive 👍
The Mexican government recruited American families to settle the Texas territory from the Eastern US because Mexicans did not want to settle in the area due to Native American threats. Many Mexican settlers lost their lives doing so. The Mexican government figured that the American settlers were better suited since they had experience with dealing with Native Americans. I read about this in a book of the Comanche in Texas. If you have a chance, read about the Texas Comanche. They were feared by many othe Indian tribes and their territory was vast.
Yes, the story is in early TX History books. Research the Empresario land grants from MX gov't that came about due to 100 yrs of Catholic priests repeated failed attempts to settle central TX with Mexican immigrants who would sneak away and return to south of the Rio Grande. Without large enough numbers to fight the nomadic people who roamed through routes across some regions of the state as infrequently as every 2 or 3 yrs the settlements priests created were always in danger of being discovered and wiped out. There are detailed accounts of many of these brave priests and their small cadres of Mexicans and Indians who had embraced a Christian life being slaughtered.
Upon the arrrival of the Empresarios, with their Anglo members who were organized to live in close communities that gave them the advantage of quick assembly into a fighting force. Anglos who risked living outside the safety zone often fell prey to attack. Men were brutally killed, young women and children were taken as slaves.
Yeah, Mexico couldn't pay it's people to live there. Also, our food crops did well there.
I don't think they thought the American/ Europeans could better deal with the hostile Indians. I think they wanted a sacrificial buffer between themselves and the expanding Comanche, Apache, Tonkawa, Kiowa, and other tribes and it backfired on Mexico allowing the Americans to settle. Especially the Comanche, they were a really big threat to Mexico...
@@chadford8500 Interesting opinion!
They wanted the American settlers to be a buffer from Comanche raids into Central Mexico, reasoning that Mexicans would be safer.
Thanks for sharing this history. Sadly, we're seeing a trend to rewrite history to say that the risk of Indian attack was exaggerated and extremely low.
Sadly, the risk of Native Americans defending their homelands from people that kept promising they worshipped a god that forbade murder was inevitable, because those illiterate Bible-thumpers only worshipped gold, craved land, and bought and bred other people, and killed anyone that prevented them from worshipping themselves.
@@jasonbrown372 In history, when modern and primitive civilizations collide, the primitive civilizations are assimilated. Always. Just a fact. Native Americans were in the Stone Age and constantly at war and enslaving each other. The land they called their own was forcibly taken from their enemies. The risk of Indian attack varied by time and place, from zero to substantial, but to say it was exaggerated is false. It just depends on when and where. Just with the Covid pandemic or mass shootings, the pervasive fear in the population we see outweighs the individual statistical risk, but the risk is genuine. So with the risk of Indian attack. Why Bible-Thumbers? Do you also blame other groups like Jews or minorities for complex social problems. It's rooted in prejudice and hate.
@@BigRedRockeater1930 sure
@@BigRedRockeater1930 In history, the "primitive" Native Americans who were "in the Stone Age" were continuing to live that way while the "modern" civilization you worship were hit in 1266 with "The Black Death" that mysteriously killed off at least 60% of its' population. For more information, the one-hour Flash Point History documentary on it sums up the facts better than I can, watching it would give you a glimpse through my perspective. The survivors of that plague are your ancestors, and you owe them at least acknowledgement for surviving that incident before spreading here in 1492.
@@BigRedRockeater1930 stone age when what time u know nothing about it that's clear
I love these stories, I wasn't born in Texas, but I feel more at home here than any where I have ever lived. I love history and love all of stories you and others post on CZcams.
Thank you for your time and stories.
The only place other than Texas, I would love to live, would be Ireland.
Arizona was/ is a lot like Texas, i've lived in both states for years. However, both states are changing with the California migrants, unfortunately. A lot of rich history in both states...
Yes, but I bet that you are greatful to not live in Irland now. Those poor and abused people there...
I get a lot of good book recommendations from this channel, I love reading about the old west and the trials and tribulations of the settlers.
Settlers? No different from squatters moving into a vacant house.
Another well done video! I really enjoy your channel and hope you continue for a long time.
Empire of the summer moon is a great book on the Comanche in Texas up to Colorado. Not only the Texans but most Indians feared them. Even the Apache fled from them. The west was a very dangerous place at that point of history for everyone.
Fled from them/were decimated by them
Graham, Texas is my hometown. I love the old forts along the Brazos River. Fort Richardson is especially well-preserved, and displays a great deal of details about the three chiefs, as well as soldier life.
The story of the old chief, Satank, was told from the white perspective. His arms were gashed from his ceremonial preparation for death, most likely from the knife he carried in his boot. As they put him in the back of the wagon for transport to Fort Richardson, he began singing the song of death. When he fell silent, he got his knife out, grabbed the guard sitting next to him, and fell out of the wagon, pulling the soldier with him. Satank held the man at knifepoint until he was shot dead.
To me your history is very Worthy. Very enjoyable. Enjoy your reading.
Very very interesting, you put a lot of detail in your storys and can get a little mindset of situations! Looking forward to the next one 👍
This is also known as the Jacksburo wagon train massacre. I read an account of satank's death written by a soldier who was present, there was no doubt in his mind that it was suicide, but he also said it was the bravest thing he had ever seen any man do
I had a GSP hunting dog. I didn’t know it but it had ovarian cancer. One day in the middle of winter, I went to the dog house, and the dog had chewed into its own abdominal area and ripped out its own ovaries and gut significant gash across there. I was shocked, that dog and I had spent many days hunting wild birds on Dakota, Kansas, Illinois and she was the bravest and best hunter I have ever seen. I had to let the vet put her down. It takes huge will to cut into yourself like that, total respect. I cried for my best friend ever.
This channel is a favorite. Great content.
Pure history, un- sugarcoated and true ...
The Kiowa considered Texans as fair game and not Americans. They would routinely attack South out of the Indian Territory into Texas. It was to them a real war.
I live near Graham lots of Indian battles around the area.
Great storytelling.
It's crazy hearing all the familiar last names. Many of these mens family members are still living in Texas.
I’m glad the narrator in the book, at least states that the Indians hunting grounds are being taken by more and more immigrants and this is of course the reason they were fighting back in such horrible ways, trying to scare people from Continuing their mass invasion of their lands, and as we all know, it was futile, so many Indians were killed, and all their lands taken. Basically, it’s a sad story.
You are quite right. It some ways it was the clash of an expanding agricultural society versus hunter& gatherer. Neither way is better than the other but clearly they were incompatible systems. Giving the Indians via treaties barren land reservations was an insult.
May the best man win . And he did i dont give a fuck about the looser's or there stupid sympathising mfrs that judge people from a time they themselves are lucky not to be born in .
The winners wrote the history.
The so-called 'human beings' got exactly what they deserved. Amazing cowardice when faced with their punishment for their atrocities!
Can you imagine waiting for the Comanche Moon to come out.
And when it did it must be a very scary scary night.
Excellent work my good man.... most have not a clue the horrors of this time in history........
Wow The Teamsters Union vs Indians - Why don’t we learn about this in school ???
Most Excellent!
I'm glad Sherman ,in every picture looks like that tweeker that filled your propane bottles at the Flying J outside of Gillette, Wyoming.
sherman does look gaunt and wild eyed; probably mowed his yard at 2 am by torch...
The character of Blue Duck in Lonesome Dove was partially based on the life and death of Satanta.
He certainly wasn’t to smart to have shown up for his handouts and to start talking about killing the teamsters and stealing their mules. Probably to proud about it to keep quite
Agreed. The height is fitting. The Kiowa were more open to mixed people than the Comanche, where Blue Duck was born. Regards and Happy New Year! From Northern Germany God's Blessing to you and your family!
NZa were Hunter/Gatherers on the human evolutionary time line. It truly was a clash of evolutionary development. The advanced culture ALWAYS WINS. Human history has been that way since time begin. Just ask those who lost to the Egytians, Romans on down through time. Crazy that revisiting history has distorted this aspect of human time chain.
Another good one. Thanks!
The chief sure was apologetic when he realized his neck was going to to stretched. He should have thought about it as the teamster was tied to the wagon wheel and burned alive.
@NVMVNV well said
The teamster was happy to help in the theft of native American land.
@@ExSquadie You have no proof of that. Indigenous people didn't claim to own land, and had use of much more than they needed to enjoy their nomadic lives. Today we're chided to "coexist".
@@ExSquadie you're sound like a buffoon. That's the same way natives treated other tribes and everyone else before Europeans ever arrived. Rape, murder, and tortured was a way of life. They should've been completely vanquished and damn near were.
@@ExSquadie the land was taken from the Indians in the same way the Indians took it in the first place. Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.
Sherman really great guy
Interesting stuff...I grew up in Graham, TX..Never heard much about the history of the area other than there had been a lot of Indians in the area.
Also, had visited Fort Belknap a few times..It was just a few miles away from my Dad's farm. Really beautiful area of Texas, Graham was almost picked as the site for the University of Texas but Austin beat them out...Also, at one point in Graham's history they had more millionares per capita than anywhere in the world due to the oilfield.
My Grandfather was born in Graham, Young County, Texas, in 1882.
Thank you for revealing the truth of our history. I have made good note of the facts of these massacres as reported and taken them into consideration with other well documented facts. For example the Comanche were known to be a warrior society of especially brutal and savage nature and were widely feared by other Indian tribes as well. I just never realized how stupid they (Satanta) could be to openly brag about their crimes in such a way to incriminate themselves. Maybe they should be given some credit for honesty if only momentary. Otherwise it seems that these Indians were frequent liars.. Especially when it came to saving their own skins or taking advantage over innocent victims. I have spent most of my life believing the Indians side of the story.They dud get a raw deal. But there are two sides to every story and irs important to hear both sides.
Do you have any video on Adobe Walls?
I just finished reading "The Muster Roll" be Robert Orr Baker. It is a history of Fort Ripley, Minnesota.
In it is the uprising which led to the hanging of 38 Sioux Indians who took many lives in their uprising.
Satanta sounds like every other punk that gets caught and says oh it wasn’t me, it was the other guy who did it. Sorry, no respect towards him, he proved a punk.
Yes, the Indians were guilty of inflicting some terrible atrocities on innocent settlers, but the entire tone of this is giving the impression no whites had ever not also inflicted atrocities just as terrible on some of the Indians at various places. Another example of how the victor sets the tone of the narrative.
PEOPLE TODAY DON'T REALIZE THE SACRIFICES MADE BY THE EARLY PIONEERS. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS TO LIGHT!!!!
Now the Indians scalp us at Casinos.
Jacksboro - that would have been Fort Richardson. Some of the buildings were rebuilt. Fort Richardson State Park is a cool place to visit.
Nice video. I think a football player named Worthy plays for Texas. Eaglegards...
@Political Boffin PHD. You are correct. Worthy is wide receiver who can't catch a cold.
I think old sitting bear committed suicide by that he did rather than be a prisoner
I follow your videos religiously! where is the stone marker of where Satank was killed located?
It's been several years since I've been on the Fort Sill base but as you drive north on I-44, the marker is on the east side of Sitting Bear creek (the marker is on base and can not be seen from the major highway).
Satanta ?
I seen him at Woodstock ☮️
Do you have any information on what Long's first name was? I had many ancestors in Texas during that time by the name of Long, one being Samuel Anderson Long, who co-wrote the Texas Cattle Brands book. Others owned hundreds of thousands of acres and were well-known cowboys at the time. This is all fascinating to me!
My grandpa was a tree.
Why didn' t US citizens after civil war use the hundredthousands of soldiers to wipe Out Indian danger?
They did. Read some history
@@terrycanales23 : I am german. As far as i know, after civil war US Army was reduced to about 30000 men. Infantry , Cavallry ( Regiments smaller than infantry), Artillry and Special Troops. And then there was the Navy with for me unknown size, and as , Pretorian Guard' the Marines in Washington DC. To compare it , in time of German Confederation, 7th Corps ( Royal Bavarian Army) had been also 30000 men. Now, Bavaria is a bit smaller than USA, so 30000 US soldiers had been to few, to protect such a large are against Red Indian raids. Remember: To fight mobile Red Indian Raiders, Infantry, Artillry and Technical troops had been useless.
Ever read the Scalpe Dance? I never have, I only heard about it.
I don't think so. Need to check that one out.
I do have the Ghost Dance book by James Mooney, but need to finish reading it.
What a shame the Indians didn't get their hands on Gen. Sherman, whose record of waging war on innocent women and children is all too evident in the homes, barns and fields he had burned on his march from Atlanta to the sea.
Not a great guy
Good thing Sherman didn’t get his hands on them.🔥
Gotta love a good fire.🔥🔥🔥
Hopefully the treaties will actually be honoured if they want to lock up the natives in the system. Probably not tho.
Are these wandering wood nymphs the same ones Columbus ravaged?
I would suggest they weren't blood thirsty but noble warriors trying to defend against a bunch of illegal immigrants
This isn’t a very “woke” account of what happened.
That's the way we like it.
Why should it be?
This account is not inaccurate.
Yes finally Accurate history
The natives were cruel, but it was their land, not Sherman’s.
Well actually no. They were doing what they always did. Raiding, killing and stealing and then return home with slaves and loot on the upper Yellowstone
At some pt in history, they took it from someone else.
@@mikeanderson8603 that's what people with no brains just can't seem to understand
How was it "their land"? Greedy tribes taking thousands of miles of land while oppressed nations seeking refuge can't have any land?
Hilarious.😂
Apparently it wasn’t their land.
Justice served.
Then tip the justice.
@@bold810 no a pat on the back will do nicely
12 of the very best men of the country? Interesting wording. Definitely not a jury of their peers...of course, that wasn't a right back then in a US court, as non-US citizens. Then again, this was in TX.
Howdy Daryl, good stuff as always, Satanta was the biggest Kiowa ever measured and I wouldn't have to go my daughter to a date with him for sure. Maybe the Kiowa had to many chiefs and the Comanche to little. Were the killed by the wagon train not mostly freed black people? Read about this one from a left liberal view in.. Buried my heart at Wounded Knee... Lone Wolf and Kicking Bird (half Crow) were the brains in all that but were killed mysteriously probably from jealous tribesmen. Happy new year to you! Ludwig
Kicking Bird was a peace chief..Lone Wolf was a war chief
@@creaturecaldwell9858 As a peace chief Kicking Bird lead a party warriors in the same year deep into Mexico wiped out a hole cavalry squadron and killed the captain himself to show his ability to fight and not to negotiate only. From Northern Germany
@@ludwigderzanker9767 . maybe so..he still tried to have peace ..he was poisoned or somehow died not too long after others were taken to prison or executed for raids
Burried my heart at wounded knee is a great book, and it was an eye opener in the early 70 to show the indians point of view finally after 100 years of biased barbaric portrayal. Way before wokism. I am a right wing nationalist and support every tribe race or ethnic group to defend their homeland, nothing liberal about that.
@@rayerscarpensael2300 maybe it came with the german translation and I agree it's a good book.
As I grow older and rise above the inaccurate depiction of my American history, I see Indian attacks as a people merely protecting there way of life, no different than any of us. And of course it’s great to be on the winning side, but have no superior respect for my culture over the natives. We were just another people taking what we could with superior numbers, not a superior culture!
I Agree Same thing Could happen to us if we don't control our borders!!! There
Could happen to us if people come from other galaxies. We were not superior, just impossibly numerous, well armed, and organised. In fact the fate of the aboriginals in America is akin to us being exposed to an extraterrestrial civilisation. Brilliant video.
@James Johnson The inaccurate depiction of American history is the Indians conducted routine massacres, ritualistic barbaric torture of men, women and children only to protect themselves from westward U.S. expansion. The horrific acts of predation "natives" committed on Anglo settlers were the same tactics they had been using on each other centuries.
@@LABoyko Right douche I said were the same, we have better tech and numbers, we stole there land , I’m glad they didn’t unite and push us in the see at Plymouth Rock, I like being Anglo American, but ironically we’re giving it back to the mestizo Indians crossing our border by the thousands! They will once again dominate the land, a new third world America. Sucks
I imagine that if you were one of the people hung upside down over a fire a swung back and forth for a few days while your brains slowly cooked and you went mad from the torture while the savages laughed as they also beat you the whole time, you may not be as sympathetic as someone sitting in their air conditioned room 150 years later.
That certainly was objective.
We came and tuck everything from them. I would have done the same thing as they did. If it was the other way around.
It was never theirs to begin with. They came from Mexico and falsely claimed everything as their own.
They took everything from everyone they came across. They were sadistic and vicious They got treated better than they treated their victims
Two wrongs didn't make it right...
I find ironic that Sherman was lecturing these Indians about cowardly behavior.
His total war on women and children during his villainous march to the sea wasn’t exactly a shining moment in American history.
That was a beautiful thing.🔥
Sherman was a great man.
Those goshdarn bloodthirsty savages! How dare they? Something needs to be dun!
I never understood why these tribes were not driven to extinction.
Geez dumb m.. calling yourself a viking you should by your own statement deserve the same fate for raiding peaceful european mainland for 300 years and massacring and enslaving our forevears.
@@rayerscarpensael2300 That's how we Roll ! Inventing, conquering and Ruling all !
@@wodenviking scandinivia is ruled by women and muslims, you are being wiped out of the earth, you rule nothing at all
@NVMVNV The Vikings came back and slaughtered these peasants. Then put the cowards on reservations FOREVER !
@NVMVNV True, They cut grass and wash dishes. That's what peasants do.
Fair trial huh !!
Seems to me the Indians killed the teamsters after... No trial whatsoever. Instead the Indians actually got a trial with legal representation. Hopefully, that is a difference you can appreciate.
Oh woe.... And some wonder why things are as they are today: this is precisely why the Russians must NOT lose.
@@nickush7512 that's one of the dumbest statements ever made.
@@garymartin1040 Yours, or mine ??
Is it me or does all this content seem to be leaning toward the white man...
Don't be mad history is being told truthfully.
There were far few stories like this where Indians attacked families. I know woke history is hard.
That’s not how you say Satank 🤦🏽♀️
This is a poor rendering of this happening, anyone interested in a accurate account of this happening should read the book The Warren Wagon Train Massacre. I have passed the site and also visited Ft. Richardson. The depredations attributed to the Native Americans were much less than the genocide committed by the settlers .
This seems like it should be interesting content, but it's narrated in such a monotonous tone that it sent me to sleep.
You send me to sleep!
Then don't tune in. You won't be missed
Wake up and stop watching.
So…. Who got punished for taking all of the Indians way of life from them ? How arrogant this all is.
Did they get punished for taking it from those before them??? For those they enslaved, killed, tortured? Seems maybe they did in their defeat. They're much better off now, thanks to Christianity.
@@windymcgee6833 your a perfect example of ignorance and arrogance. Thanks for your confirmation.
There is plenty of reservation land for them to live any way they like. Funny, I don’t see any teepees.
@@cplmpcocptcl6306 another arr
@@cplmpcocptcl6306 another arrogant Dik
To them it was real war.? They could barely defeat woman and children imagine the forces that the US brought to bear against the confederate states . The Indians were not shit in comparison !
You should teach High School History.