The Cost To Play - The One Ring Is Too Expensive | PleasantKenobi MTG React | Modern Meta Discussion
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
- The rising price of the Modern format has been a topic on my mind for a while and has recently come to a head from a tweet by Saffron Olive around the cost of The One Ring!
However, instead of making a video on it myself, I trusted fellow youtuber @PleasantKenobi to make a good video on it (spoilers: he did!) so let's react to it!
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PleasantKenobi Video (The One Ring Problem): • The One Ring Problem
Saffron Olive Tweet: x.com/SaffronOlive/status/180...
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It's sad when I can buy a Warhammer army that doesn't rotate and which I can mostly use forever for the same price as a Modern deck that now I will have to rotate out due to bans or new sets. =/
I now buy boxes of booster packs and supply 3 other people 3 packs to draft, then grab my cards back after. I think its still cheaper than buying a top tier modern deck tbh.
Based. I just print off magic cards, these days. These days when it comes to competitive TCGs, one piece is where it's at for me. Warhammer I collect Eldar, imperial guard (40k) then Skaven, and Orcs/Goblins (Old world)
You can definitely use the army forever if you aren't going to tournaments with strict guidelines. Hell, back when I played about two decades ago, the store that I went to did serious tournaments. Yet, the majority of players were players and not hobbyists, so a large number of models were barely glued together. And even fewer were actually painted. Most were just primed. And some not even that. 😂
40K is the wrong game to use an example. They've power crept and made my armies useless like 5 times and I play Space Marines. Wtf are you talking about? Your army comp will be made useless. soon
@@philbuttler3427 you must be new if it's only happened five times lol. The real problem with 40k is you start with a small army and 25,000pts later you realize you've not actually played the game in months, just kept buying models and paints you'll only use for a week every 6 months.
Due to this video I checked the price of my poster one ring….. when I opened it it was £100 and now is £220. That’s crazy
Can we ban the one ring already
Why? Because it's expensive?? We can't get grief banned and that's actually a problem card. This is just an issue because of price only
@@Treygaudette One Ring is a problem card in modern and it's starting to be a ubiquitous auto-including in commander for anyone willing to pay it, similar to mana crypt.
@@Treygaudette both are a problem. Would love to see a Nadu, One Ring and Grief ban but I can also wish to win the lottery.
You don't need a copy of the card to proxy it in Commander. For some reason some people think that's the cutoff point.
This is really dependent upon play groups and where you're playing. If you're just a kitchen table player, then sure, proxy away if your group doesn't care. However, if you're going to any of the LGSs that I've visited over the past 5 years since getting back into the game, then you do NEED the copy of the original.
For example, there were a number of players with expensive cards like Duals, that they proxied for play purposes, but they had to at least show the store that they did own the card. And it wasn't just show them one time; it was show the card whenever asked otherwise you're disqualified from the event. As for casual play at the store, even that was up to individuals. Too many players were bringing entirely proxied cEDH decks to play "casually," and needless to say, the players who spent actual money on the cards got pretty upset. The store owner also didn't appreciate the freeloading of the players doing this using his space for free, and never actually supporting the store. So yeah, it can be a big deal.
@Xoulrath_ this is the complete opposite of the experience of myself and everyone I know. Interesting.
@@Xoulrath_ this is probably a remnant of older events. There used to be legacy/vintage tournaments that allowed for x proxies, but you had to provide an actual copy of the proxy card whenever asked or whenever your deck is checked. This was to reduce theft/damage to the higher priced cards.
Same for my lgs. We all play cedh with proxies. I have a real cedh deck, but also 3 extra proxy decks. The store doesn’t care about it. Its not like they are selling duels…
@@Xoulrath_ thats a very niche scenario, ive never once came across anyone who cared that much about proxies. like tournaments i get it but for casual play at a store no store ive ever been 2 cares at all about if you use proxies or not. i dont even proxy and i never get upset because someone proxied the mox diamond i paid for. like it aint that deep, if youre getting upset over something like that, that isnt an issue with proxies. thats a you issue. im here to play magic, not someone's wallet. proxying is 100 percent based
And its so sad that this videos already outdated, the bundle version is now Market 99 dollars, the base is 120....
people saw the video, jumped and bought some.
Goyf was once $250 and more available so the one rings price isnt that shocking.
Honestly card prices do suck but I'm not going to worry about cards going up in price, instead I just work around my budget and still manage to keep up in all my groups. One ring going up isnt that bad. We have Mana Crypt thats insane in price LED and more that no one talks about like this
I remember times when Tarmogoyfs, Dark Confidants, Snapcaster Mages and Fetchlands being around a 100$ each, those were the days when a modern deck costed twice as much as it does today.
And now we complain about one card that costs 100$.
I truly believe the card will get its universes within version, it’s a matter of time and pushing Wizards hard enough to make them do it sooner rather than later. Or powercrept out, I prefer the former though.
Very true. That was what kept me from playing Modern in the first place. The only thing that feels worse than spending all that money is spending all that money and still losing most of your games
The best thing about the one ring verses the cards you mentioned earlier is that it slots into so many other decks, with no restriction of color or event much of playstyle.
Once you have your playset, your good.
Modern is affordable right now, as much as it’s ever been.
It was a problem then, too. People are just far less willing to pay the price of entry when other formats cost far, far less to get into.
My LGS doesn't even run modern because no one is willing to buy in. We play Pioneer and Standard.
I hate it when just reading cards doesn't explain it. In my mind two cards with the same ability exist and so it's not weird that two cards like that exist in a deck and my first thought would not be to check for other IP versions and there's no where for me to check that. To me asking players to memorize this is the same as when they errata cards, like I will not remember which of the 30,000 cards are errataed and which are not.
The problem with the reskins in universe is that you probably CAN'T put the original ip name on it or you'll have to pay them. I think it's fine as long as reskins
of in universe cards in universes beyond have the og name on them. They need to go ahead and drop a universes within set so we can get the reprint of the ring and they can start putting some of the universes beyond hotness into future beyond stuff.
This was always intended. It's a secret reserve list. UB is for the finance losers that cant afford to play the real stock market.
I literally cant play decks because between one ring and Phlage is like 600+ dollars. Getting priced out by a card that should have never been printed into the format is almost comedy.
god fucking dammit why do I always forget that marvel of all things is coming to magic only to get reminded about it
I bought a copy at 60$ around Christmas, knowing I would never see one again
This is why I bought all the Dr Who doctors. I think they will be difficult to make an in universe cycle and they are all mechanically unique.
From experience at my LGS, 14th doctor mainly used for the sake of building a doctor who deck with EVERY doctor in it.
It’s True Name Nemesis where if you find a bundle you get The One Ring and like 8 Packs
Years ago like I want to say around 2018, I was talking to Gregory from 401 games; that based on how things are going with Magic, that Modern would become the new Legacy because Wizards can't print OG Dual lands and anything from the Reserved List to capitalize on older formats, and that there would be a new format that would become the "NEW Modern" that will sit between Modern and Standard whatever they decide to call that format which eventually became Pioneer. So what I'm saying is that Pioneer is the New Modern and Modern is now Legacy. What I didn't think would happen which Rudy from Alpha Investments predicted that Magic would have serialized cards and other extreme hard to find cards and also make new age Reserved List cards from Secret Lair / Universes Beyond which creates a FOMO which would lead to buyouts and the eventually having new age fake reserved list cards that are locked from legal IP contracts, which I think Wizards very well knew of, which drives the FOMO up for year after year price hike ups and don't say it's inflation when we're looking at like $600CAD collector booster boxes, and $400CAD MH3 boxes. You know what you can buy for $600? PS5, XBOX, etc....
That ragavan take is interesting. I think rag is not great right now but I don’t play as much modern as you. Just something I’ve been noticing.
I use to have a tier1 amulet deck but i cant afford the rings as an upgrade how do i explain paying 400$ for a playset
Both pioneer and pauper are retaining more of my attention after MH3. Currently building mono blue delver in pauper and messing around with lotus field in pioneer.
16:37 You're talking about Haywire Mite from Brothers War
There’s a bunch of cards that need to go.
grief, one ring, nadu, cord of calling, several others. I know I’m super biased because I’m a murktide player.
Imagine that, a card that is a automatic 4 of in a lot of modern deck of all colors that warps the format and games it is played in that came from a limited run set gets super expensive and prices people out of a format yep sounds like wotc
I'm a sucker and excited for my Spider-Man commander deck. 😅
Hahaha Printer go BRRRR
If it is impossible to print the card with the same name, magic within lore and new art, then I'll just want it to be an artifact that has already lore in actual magic, old and memorable preferably... Maybe calling it a reinterpretation of the Mirari, Weatherlight, the Legacy Weapon or That Which Was Taken...
Welcome to new magic where the one ring is the new black lotus and the reserve list has been retrained and replaced with universes beyond. I could see wotc making the statement they wont reprint the ring instead it’s going in the reserved list.
I feel that modern has always been the most expensive format. Remember when goif was 200$
That editor is clearly paid in one rings
When it comes to reprinting universes beyond cards, concern has been raised about trademarked names. Like "the one ring". Could you use the set code and number on the bottom of the card? Something like "=LTR 0246" which symbolizes that card is the same game piece as all versions of the one ring. yeah, you'll need to use the internet some times, but i think that's fine.
Edit: looks like they already do that. I should watch the whole video before commenting.
So stick to Pauper, got it.
personaly i like to watch that mill guy more then pk
I mostly agree, bit Vince has some volcanic hot takes that are great to watch.
Yeah cos he don’t yap
We really gotta just start improving the image of proxies in the community; WotC printed their own, most arguments against proxies are baseless/can be deconstructed in 1 minute. CEDH and Legacy are already (mostly) turning towards being pro-proxy. I get it, WotC doesn't like em, and you couldn't use em to get into pro tours but... WotC kinda already murdered pro coverage anyhow?
Tl;dr proxy, and proxy a lot!
Here's a secret: if you play commander you don't need even the one copy 😉
So your solution is for a limited time and run people can buy these cards. So secret lairs essentially….
Love how now my feeds are talking about prices but it sad to say this prices were the same back in the days. Most modern decks in 2013 was $1000. If I’m not mistaken but having Tarm, Bob, and lilli set you back 1200 dollars. I’m not saying it’s okay to pay that much but it feels like we want to make it a big deal. I literally have 6 videos in a row on my feed about prices. Maybe it’s my imagination and it just coincidence the videos just lined up lately. I know it’s late but Happy 4th everyone.
It's a big deal because back then, the print runs of those cards were much smaller, because the player base was much smaller. That is not the case anymore for those cards that you mentioned.
Goyf alone got hit in price because of both reprints and cards like Fatal Push easily dealing with it. So a combination of them printing more to meet demand, combined with new cards that powercreep design, no matter how small. Quite frankly, the fact that Push didn't exist years ago in some way, with Black being the color of single target removal, is just bad design. Even Goyf was a damn mistake as far as it's 1 Toughness; two Goyfs were supposed to just trade with each other.
As for the rest of those cards, they got reprints, and then also got pushed out of the format in some way or another because of power creep too. It's by design: "See everybody, we reprinted all of those ridiculously expensive cards that you wanted. It's all good now." Meanwhile, they break some new cards which become the shiny new maut have, while making the new reprints mostly obsolete or niche at best. So who cares that the priced got lowered.
It's a shit show over at Wizards and they must be thanking their gods for the casuals and Commander.
I disagree. The 2 dex in the nrg finals this week (jeskai wiz and merfolk) played a total of 0 copies of the ring. Yes its powerful but its not required. Not everything needs to be dirt cheap.
@@cheezybred that event was before the pro tour, where nadu had TOR and a few jeskai control lists ran it too
I have 10 comanders and one tron in modern. Pls give me money to 14 one rings :D. The problem will be solved if they will restrict It to ONE
They NEED to give them the godzilla treatment. The prices are legit gamekeeping modern and if the "must-have starter kit cards" aren't affordable, modern will die
It's fine, in a few years one ring probably won't even be playable
Fetches are cheaper but once you had fetches you were good. Now its new cards every year that you need for entire new decks. Its awful. Also, the One ring is boring. You should only be able to have one in your deck. Seeing 4x in half the decks in the format is an issue. They banned Smuggler's Copter faster in Pioneer. Universes beyond should not be Modern legal period IMO.
I've said this...albeit in a rant, but point stands, this format is getting prohibitively expensive and only to those who have a higher than average income. WOTC needs to stop focusing so hard on commander and remember that 60 cards were and have been their bread and butter in the past. Not everyone likes commander or can play commander. But then 60 card formats become to expensive, or shops don't have the capability to run events, or have the player base to have leagues or just fnm.
The one ring is a problem like ragavan was before. But 100x worse.
i agree with you but all the shops near me fnm IS commander.
@@xLuminary same. That's my problem. Too much commander and not much care elsewhere for other formats.
@@AbstractMarcher once the commander players realize they can just proxy everything wizards is in deep trouble
My problem as well, peeps. FNM drops all the time, and there are votes, but it's either some version of Commander or just Commander. Or it's draft, which I'm just not a fan of anymore at the pricepoint. Even then, most people will just show up and play Commander.
I've moved on to Lorcana. I'm going to a local tourney tonight. I've also finally been able to check out One Piece after coming across some OP-07 last week. So I'm looking forward to checking that out as well. I'd jump back to Magic in a hurry if Wizards promoted Modern, or even Pioneer, in the slightest.
@@xLuminary yyyuuuppp
I disagree on view that the one ring is acceptable in the format (modern). It is boring as f that it can fit in every type of decks except those that refuse the one for too slow. The fact that you can deal with the ring with cheap spells does not justify itself from being legal. The same can be said to "turn one Ragavan can be dealt with your solitude", it is meaningless indeed.
I disagree the one ring needs to go. What turn 4+ deck doesn't want the One Ring?
Hence, the problem.
I stopped to watching Kenobi because he lied about something that he wasn't going to suffer but affected other people directly.
Marvel cards are going to be nice, with Foundations as a counterweight to aid for those new players at same time.
By the way, the companion's doctor mechanic let you have partners between on doctor and on of thos companions, so the Fouteenth let you play 5 colors with 2 of those companions (one colorless but choose 1 color, and the only one black one, no companion is multicolor and all doctors but the 14th are 2 colors).
And we have characters on differents moments of their lives each represented as a card, we had 3 Urzas and 3 Mishras during Brothers War.
@@MarioJPC What did he do specifically? Regardless of whether it's true or not you can't just throw out accusations and not back it up with the actual details.
@@samcates5308 The Tolarian Professor asked about an Increase on prize for the Europe gem cost on Arena, if that had something to do with Brexit. He said yes. It had nothing to do with that, so he said something that is not true. The increase affected the Euro users, that was never the case on the UK, much less after UK left EU. That had to do with tech fees, maybe some EU rule or tax; but not at all with the Brexit.
@@MarioJPC I never said that. I said it was to with Europe - they were evening out post tax prices. Get your facts straight before you throw nonsense about.
@@PleasantKenobi I am happy to be wrong, and to amend my point to say that i stopped enjoing your comments and tone.
You don’t HAVE to play LOTR cards to upgrade your decks with MH3 cards to play at FNM.
There are plenty of decks that are affordable (prowess decks of all flavors, burn, dredge etc) sorry you cant play a deck that has rings in it.
I can't stand Pleasant Kenobi. Dude called me a white supremacist because I didn't think Disney was making role casting choices based on merit rather than just checking diversity tickboxes. He's also what a buddy of mine calls a pizza cutter. All edge, no point.
Which is ironic because a Disney executive literally said he was doing that on camera.
Also keep in mind he's British and therefore he can be arrested for agreeing with you
@williamdrum9899 We got into this argument back when they announced the Little Mermaid casting, and he made a video with a "joke" where he took the art for Wishful Merfolk and cropped out her reflection in the mirror while saying "Don't tell the bigots she's not white," and I called him out on making the safest of "edgy" jokes when the funnier joke would have been to show the reflection and say "I thought she was supposed to be black" or something. He got all butthurt that I called him out on acting edgy while only playing it safe and we got into the argument about the Little Mermaid casting just so he could prove I was really just an angry racist.
@@k1n6n07h1n6 Frankly I think it's far more bigoted to blackwash white characters when you could make new ones. I guarantee you nobody who had an issue with Little Mermaid 2021 was upset about Princess anf the Frog existing. PK is clearly wrapped up in the newspeak definition of "bigot" rather than its actual meaning
@@k1n6n07h1n6 My reply is invisible but basically I think that the real bigotry here is blackwashing. Nobody who complained about the new Little Mermaid complained about Princess & The Frog
@williamdrum9899 That was my point. That was also around the time that people were talking about the rumors that Daniel Craig would be replaced as James Bond, and I said I thought Idris Elba would make an amazing Bond. But no. I was "siding with white supremacists" because I called him out on a stupid joke that he clearly did just for clicks and to act edgy while playing it safe.
let’s remember one ring is optional
Y'all know there's plenty of exile artifact removal spells out there. I don't see this card as a problem.
The one ring does not need a reprint yet. It was in every bundle and that set came out last year. I'm against reprinting this soon. Cause as soon as they reprint it it will go down in price then everyone will be complaining about it's value going down. There's nothing they can do cause whatever they do is mtg players will complain
TOR is the example of WotC purposely making a card that will be forever expensive due to its combination of being undeniable powerful + being colorless so fits in every deck.
It's essentially the card draw version of Mana Crypt
At that point I would say that this should’ve been an element of calculated risk for these finance types when they decided to invest in children’s card game.
@@geoffreybomber well for a childs card game those ring cards have doubled in price in a year can you say that for your 401k?
Please dude, don’t be just another piggy back content stealer. Just do your own thing. I know Saff and PK have a big influence under MTG content, but just stick to your stuff. ❤
You are already stealing intellectual property. You just admitted in your video that you print proxies. You cant be worried about legalities of IPs when you yourself are thieving it. The guy that you are piggy backing content from(PK) actually knows how the proper way to proxy is(hint: it doesn’t involve printers). Since you already reuse his content go watch one of his videos about proxies and learn how you are pirating.
@@bayanimanansala5220 L take
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I don't care for universes beyond, and I'm glad some cards are $100 and up. Games always had chase and expensive cards. Sorry some cards aren't for poors.
The One Ring is a cool card if the clause in all formats was you can only have one copy in your 75. This card design made sense on paper but in action with a playset it's just lame and unfair on a fundamental level. I have seen folks on Reddit argue "it's four mana, it's reasonable!" and I honestly cannot imagine thinking *this* fucking card is fair in any context.
Let me end this argument with one word. Tarmogoyf. If y’all think 100 to 150 for a card is bad? Goyf at its peek was 190