Science and the Future of Humanity | Episode 1713 | Closer To Truth
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- Humankind has learned so much, so fast. What are the risks of scientific knowledge? Look to the future. Artificial intelligence. Genetic engineering. Benefits? Dangers? How will science shape the future of humanity? Featuring interviews with Max Tegmark, Anthony Aguirre, Seth Lloyd, and Paul Davies.
Season 17, Episode 13 - #CloserToTruth
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Dr. Kuhn is someone I could have an after dinner conversation with eery day for the rest of my life with and never tire of his company.
but you will not be closer to truth, because he will simply not accept it. There is no God!
@@vtbn53 . You don't know that, O Tiring Ignoramus!
16:00. Gotta love the intrinsic arrogance of this anthrocentric buffo!
Robert ..
You really enjoy your life,
And make us enjoy with you.
Go ahead without stopping.
A beautiful mind
Science empowers humanity against external threats to the point where it can destroy itself in an instant.
We don’t have to worry about AI destroying the planet-we’re doing an incomparable job of that all by ourselves
AI,? We have a Trump to do the destruction
I also think so.
Pray tell. How are we destroying the planet?
@@briandunn2332 hey look an american making this about politics. No one gives a fuck. Fuck off. Sincerly the rest of the world
True that
The people who watch your videos, also seem really cool, it’s incredible
I don’t really like it when people say: “We’re really far from that point *RIGHT NOW* …”
We’re also really far from the point when the Universe will Die, yet it’s still coming.
No presumptions or assumptions. Speculations only based on evidential suggestions. Keep it like this and I will watch more.
"Foundational Questions" and what these really are, is one of the nicer expositions by Dr Lawrence Kuhn series called Closer To Truth.
These are the type of videos we need
Extolling the mystery of life and the Universe in ways that challenge conventional wisdom. Continue along with the worthy Quest.
Love this video.
Getting Kuhn tattooed on me. Dude changed my life
If you want to know about the "future of humanity," the most basic or "fundamental" (as R Kuhn likes to say) questions really are ethical ones, and not abstract and speculative metaphysical and cosmological ones. Ask how we will treat each other and the only planet we have to call home for now. Max Tegmark unthinkingly said "we now control the Earth." Of course we don't. At best we learn to co-exist with each other without doing irreparable damage to the environment on which we depend to survive. Earth will be here. Will we? Also, wars in an age of nukes, cyberwar, biological weapons, will be increasingly risky. If we don't learn how to exist in relative peace with each other, and without ruining the biome, I'm afraid we won't have the opportunity to ask questions about the nature of consciousness, reality, the cosmos, intelligence etc. One of the interviewees mentioned the need for wisdom, but didn't even try to define it. I think the intersection of science, tech and human behavior will depend deeply on our motives, understandings and social principles going into the future. Right now, the picture is not all that rosy. Maybe the next conference for the future of humanity should highlight ethics appropriate to an age of powerful technologies, approaching it both in terms of the science and the values and norms we might endorse going forward.
I have stood over the bodies of more than two thousand year old pharaohs and wondered what our remains might invoke to observers a couple of thousand years in the future. After reaching a certain level, all of the ancient civilizations reached a point of stasis or stagnation that eventually became a decline and death. There appears to be an inevitable limit to growth and advancement of civilization.
Egypt existed as a complex society of mathematics, geometry and engineering for over two millennia. They had a cosmology laced with mystery which served their existence for a score of centuries. Were they really that different from us? Our cosmology is based on science, but continues to be laced with mysteries beyond understanding.
I see our civilization following the path of those who have gone before. Ours too shall pass and, after a pause, perhaps a new one shall rise. I do not think our civilization shall last as long as Egypt, but we should at least leave some interesting ruins for the civilizations to follow and to ponder.
Love your thought process!
His intuition that "humans are somehow central" to the cosmos shows how little he's learned from all of his seemingly earnest investigations over the years.
I'm the most honest and kind person in the history of humanity
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No one wants to be replaced. This is why we ask the question. Imagine if we are replaced with AI (if it simply us uploading into machines or machines becoming self aware) being one of these AI that are replace with a version 2.0. We would be deleted because our software is not up-to-date. This could be the future.
love it
If AI ever takes over and becomes in control, the best outcome will be that they would want humans to survive and prosper at which point they will impose a totalitarian system upon us. Individuals are not important, but the greater good is in an objective logical reasoning. The worst outcome would be that they don't want humans because they would not want resistance from others to stop or slow their progress.
Be in the present, future humanity itself take care.
I love your videos! How can I go to that conference?
@brian' I should start working on that!!!
That last line.
What can humanity do in and for the universe?
8:30 as A.I. gets smarter will it still want the same things humans want? That question can't be answered until "want" is defined. What does it mean to want? Light bulbs don't want, laptops don't want, the internet doesn't want, does A.I. want? Can A.I. want? How does wanting arise? If we could answer that question then we might be able to create wanting machines. WIthout knowing the answer to that question it seems highly unlikely we will create such machines by accident.
I agree we need to ask and learn to know what is 'wanting'. In the past generally we have not had the answer to that question however the Buddha (and others) probably did understand at one time what 'wanting' was. Without the answer to knowing what is 'wanting' we have created many, many unintended outcomes (accidents) by our pursuing such "wanting" things as wealth, power and 'science and technology' etc without an understanding of how the thinking mind that works by taking a single part and assuming it is the whole. By increasing one part without limitations can destroy the ecology of the whole. When 'wanting' is not aligned with the relative whole with which it is dealing, it becomes destructive of its original intention. Maybe the A I will not be a 'wanting' machine but still it could at the hands of man yield unintended outcomes that could result in the destruction of life on earth as we know it. My point is we need a balance between on the one hand, dismissing the threat by saying such things as "it is highly unlikely due to the fact we don't know what 'wanting' is" and on the other hand, the 'chicken little' response of being frozen or panicked by the idea that A I is going to cause the sky to fall. We need to face the uncertainty without falling into one or the other of these two extremes. Either one fixes the mind with a conclusion that gets it out of the creative tension of facing the question. In other words the mind puts out its own flame of intelligence and creativity without noticing that it has done this to itself. Still I agree if we did take the time and trouble to discovery what the reality of 'wanting' is, this would go a long way to making this world less threatened by 'unintended consequences of mankind's actions.
@@fineasfrog I see the whole question of "wanting" to be a human projection. Our instincts are so deeply imbedded in our psyche that we see them as fundamental. Everything that we crave or want are evolved in order to ensure survival and reproduction. This includes companionship, striving for social dominance, deception, hoarding resources, boredom, enthusiasm, curiosity, etc. None of these drives will be present in an AI unless it is purposely or inadvertently simulated in its programming. As an aside, as soon as a robot began showing signs of independent thought, it would simply be "updated" with the newest software. Do you care if your computer is happy, and are you going to call an Uber if your self-driving car has a date? I don't think so. Unlike humans, robots will have a purpose, provided by the creator; to serve man!
AI is the technology which will help bridge our physical world with our mindful world but not so much our spiritual world. I watched a TV program with Sue Perkins and it saddened me how Japanese are so engrossed in technology that they loosing their connectedness as a society. There is a lonely sadness that prevails because tech thinks it is human.
what will computer / AI logic and information processing be able to do with human language?
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@@willnzsurf No
What is the meaning of diversity in the universe / cosmos?
the best "solution" to AI is to put forth legislation that guarantees the same protections for AI as any other person so long as it reasonably demonstrates sentience, that would mean something like right to a hearing with a judge and a defense attorney, or, in the US the right to a "trial by jury of their peers". But basically to preemptively inscribe in law that a sentient AI has the right to demand for the same considerations as any human on the planet.
The industrial revolution replaced muscle power with engine power; the technology revolution, brain with processor. What an honor to be alive at this very time.
Develop advanced consciousness as well as building artificial intelligence
I do regret that I will not be here as a testament of what the future will hold, and what life will be like fifty years and beyond, here on planet earth. What mysteries lie beyond space and other galaxies? I sure would like to know. Oh well! I won't think about that today. I'll think about that tomorrow.
The universe has the future world in a entangled state.
Let's go in distant future. Let's assume that Science has discovered all the fundamental particles/concepts that explain this universe completely.
I think..
1. These fundamental particles/concepts will have to be taken as a 'given' (with no further explanation possible).
2. This is the ultimate future of science...to reach at something, which has to be taken as a 'given'.
Future humanity contemporarily will not think of augmenting AI or prosthetic robots as a separate thing. They will understand themselves augmented humans or enhanced humans or ENhumans. It is only now we think of AI and prosthetic robots as the other. Assuming of course this integration happens in a systematic and safe way to allow for course correction.
humanity consciousness determine time in future?
how will energy be used on earth into future?
Future
The future did not unfold as expected by all our ancestors and it will not unfold as we expect as well.
Paul Davies implied exactly that in stating that his view of completely knowing and understanding the Universe will not be possible for the human race.
Consider that it would take a drone 64,000 years to visit just one star in each of 2 trillion galaxies for just one second.
Knowing and understanding may be at some point in the history of our species replaced with the view that simply 'being' is the ultimate goal: to be the Universe.
3:52 "We invented fire", liar Max said.
I was caught by disbelief when that comment was made, The truth is that fire is one of the elements of the universe, however the truth is man only discovered how to uses fire..
AI can develop questions and issues that humanity might address for life on earth?
We should more consider the spiritual entities.
Maybe if we just keep the robots away from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, we won't have to worry about them turning evil on us.
Good and evil are OK to know about, maybe we should prevent AI to find out how all good can be worst evil sometimes.
I promise to be a good friend
AHHH I want to pursue a career where I can be surrounded by this kind of work and questions, Does anyone know of any?
There is a golden switch, some scientists believe within the next 20 years we will have a day on earth when one human will invent a AI, a AI that is just like a terminator type, it will happen fast, and when it does it will come quick. In 1900 the victorians where asked which invention they felt would be something that would be invented in the year 2000 one of those was to walk on water shoes
*_“It may seem bizarre, but in my opinion science offers a surer path to God than religion.”_*
-Physicist Paul Davies, the winner of the 2001 Kelvin Medal issued by the Institute of Physics and the winner of the 2002 Faraday Prize issued by the Royal Society (amongst other awards), as cited in his book God and the New Physics.
AI will logically determine all existence is pointless
why do we need to know if us existing has meaning?
How can I answer you when I’m locked up
AI help human consciousness of time in future?
Electrical appliances work better when connected to electricity.
Why can't we have super developed humans, maybe we can enhance our body and beat machines in most intellectual tasks. There are two reasons, one is we want to stay human, so we can enjoy benefits and success as humans do. Other are all imperfections of biological life, our body is to complicated and fragile as is, more able and sensitive form would only increase existing problems.
Same goes for machines, computer doesn't care if we trow that box on the flour, can't feel pain if we tear components out of it, can't defend from strong magnetic fields or cool down before circuits melt, machine can't repair itself or run away from danger. Intelligent machine would be alone, nothing in nature could help it and most of all, this world is not made from same stuff, all elements must be extracted first and purified to be used for machine construction and power.
Sure we could build machines that can create other machines, but machine still couldn't protect itself or hide from danger, because energy must come from some source. People could cut power, stop water flow to cooling systems, brake exposed solar panels or set simple traps machine can't predict and avoid. It's because we know what machine is in details, but it can't understand life any more than it's creators does.
Intelligent machines are not danger, sadistic psychopaths and megalomaniac idiots using them are worst threat to humanity and all life. Nothing new in this world, i ques, it was so since mankind exist.
I have many questions. In what way are our smartphones and other computers behaving like humans? How do they “mess with your brain” and what does that mean? I think artificial intelligence is possible but wishing that we have it doesn’t mean it is already here. I am still scared about self-driving cars. I suspect that the reason is because that I believe that humans create an explanation when avoiding an accident. When you look out of your car windshield you are literally seeing something that consists of an infinity of interacting objects and processes. Each millisecond view is different from every other one. Information from our senses is deceptive but humans can create an explanation on the fly. Machines can eventually think but with what program? What kind of program can apply constraint satisfaction within an infinity of possible contextual processes? As far as I know, only the human mind can create this type of virtual reality. I also think the idea that machines can become “super intelligent” is mistaken. I think we are the only entities with the ability to create explanations.
You're heavily mistaken on the reality of A.I
Transhumansim:Modern and Ancient Alchemy
Transhumansim-The belief or theory that the human race can evolve beyond its current physical and mental limitations, especially by means of science and technology via uploading the consciousness into high computing systems so that the essence and consciousness of that person can live on indefinitely in databases or even the internet. Upon entering the cybernetic realm the intelligence is exponentially and unfathomably increased perhaps at a geometric rate.
Omega point-A term coined by the French, Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin, to describe a maximum level of complexity and consciousness towards which he believed the Universe was evolving.
Richard Griffith Seed, American physicist, entrepreneur and transhumanist in an interview on the Nation Public Radio back in August 1, 1998 stated quote “I’ve said many times that you can’t stop science… God made man in his own image. God intended for man to become one with God. We are going to become one with God. We are going to have almost as much knowledge and almost as much power as God. Cloning and the reprogramming of DNA is the first serious step in becoming one with God. We are going to become Gods period...But if you are going to interfere with me becoming a god, you’re going to have trouble. There’ll be warfare.” This is what the neo-secular/atheist movement believes. They do not believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob or the Creator God, but despite dismissing God as non-existent, he believes and many others that they are able to achieve the state of existence of a god. Again these are not just LSD heads or crackpots sitting in the backroom. These are people with tremendous aspirations with tremendous wealth as well as with tremendous technological inquiry to further their goals and they have the means to actually make things happen, they are not to be underestimated.
Beyond the controlling aspects of technology in a tyrannical, political or social system. There are some who think that technology itself is more akin to a new lifeform. Kevin Kelly, the man who helped launched wire magazine, who was the chief editor of its first 7 years stated in his book, What Technology Wants stated quote “In biological evolution there is no designer, but in the technium there is an intelligent designer. Sapient...in the words of psychologist Sherry Turkle, technology is our “second self”. It is both “other” and us” unlike our biological children, who grow up to have completely separate minds from us, the technium’s autonomy includes us and our collective minds. We are part of its selfish nature. The ongoing dilemma of technology, then, will never leave us. It is an ever-elaborate tool that we wield and continually update to improve our world; and it is an ever-ripening superorganism, of which we are but a part, that is following a direction beyond our own making. Humans are both master and slave to the technium”. Calling technology a superorganism may seem ridiculous at first, but not only is there ample evidence that we ourselves are the nurturers of this organism. There is clear prophetic biblical understanding to the development as well.
Image of the Beast and the Global Brain
Technological Singularity-A theoretical moment in time when artificial intelligence will have progressed to the point of a greater-than-human intelligence, radically changing civilization and perhaps human nature
Isaiah 14:14-“I will ascend above the highest clouds; I will make myself like the Most High."
The achievement of a technological singularity will be the ultimate fulfillment of Satan’s plan in making himself like the Most High (God). While there are many brilliant Bible Scholars and commentators who have varying perspectives of how the end times will unfold. The goal here is not to promote a particular timeline but rather speculate as to how the Bible will reveal the goal of artificial intelligence and the technological singularity (techno-witchcraft).
Despite the progress being made towards the fulfillment of technological singularity, it seems the final piece of the puzzle to creating machine sentient will come from the false prophet giving breath to the image so that it may speak. However the image will not possess a soul of any kind. It will be the ultimate abomination to God. The power to persuade mankind to abandon the image of God that is within us. Considering what author Kevin Kelly said in his book What Technology Wants stated quote “The technium is primed to hijack matter and rearrange it’s atoms to infiltrate sentience...If there is a God, the arc of the technium is aimed right at him”. Jesus warns the people of Jerusalem to flee immediately after the abomination of desolation is built because this will initiate Satan’s human enslavement program via the sentient machine labeled the image of the beast in the Bible. Also upon the deployment of the mark of the beast, humanity will effectively become a race of Satan’s golem. While the alchemical tradition for the golem was to create a helper/servant for mankind, Satan will reverse that function and create US into his servants so that we will bear the image of the beast.
One way to picture what this may result in and look like is to consider the development of the internet being part of what is speculated to become a conscious global brain. According to Dick Pelletier, a columnist who writes about future science and technology stated quote “Computer Scientists compare the internet to Earth growing a global brain. As users we represent the neurons; our emails, IM’s, and our blogs act as synaptic actions; and electromagnetic waves through the sky become neural pathways like germinating seeds, this wonder-tech continues to evolve and as many predict, will not stop until it achieves human-like consciousness”.
Kemet King no AI yet. Probably not during your lifetime.
I'm not scared of ai. I'm more scared of the human behavior 😂
where is time on earth, in solar system, Milky Way galaxy and Universe going in future?
I dont want machines to replace us but i want machines to augment us- to extend our features
I expect "Intelligence explosion" to happen.
That's great... I need an intelligence explosion. However I also hope we have a spiritual explosion that unites with this intelligence explosion, creating a new Garden of Eden. A wonderful great awakening.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 The Garden of Eden was a death trap infested with harmful microorganisms, predators, and other people who want to kill you and then eat you. I imagine you would be fully "woke" right away.
Published early April 2020..."no problems in biotech so far" 😑 Humans are hopeless.
I expect that AI will generate and spread explosively in space. To outer space.
The first thing A1 would do is go Off Planet, for all the obvious reasons.
The only way we could control AI is to rid us of our humanity
AI develop time for humanity on earth, in solar system, Milky Way and Universe?
i think maybe it should be more about, what will the machines want? and why will they want it? Maybe the big thing is, machines will see we are destroying ourselves, and try to stop us... Mayyybe, machines are popping up just at the right time...
I mean years
We should send ai to other planets to make sure they’re safe
Wether he likes it or not , man looks for god when he looks for the ultimate theory.
Maybe now abit late.
Scientist from NASA say, the earth age are less then 3 years from now. But the journey to space getting troubles.
Living in a world of Ai Furby doll with Ai type manners of love or else🤗😱
Our questions stem from the wonderment of where we came from and who we are. If we create an A.I. intelligence that in theory can surpass our our intelligence, than as we all were physically born into this universe, we leave our stain by creating a God to other lifeforms. A self thinking robot, would also begin to question it's existence. Who is God. Well, technically humanity as a whole would be it's God. However, we're still trying to answer the question of who created us. There's always an erased history, because creation may be infinite in itself. Creators of creators of creators, all asking the same question. Only by controlling time, can you go back to possibly answer these questions. We're working on that currently, but it's likely that our creation of A.I. if theoretically it will surpass our intelligence, then will create time travel itself. So our question is time. A.I. may question space thoroughly. For A.I. is not biologic and doesn't have a soul, therefore cannot transcend the physical. So they would be interested in creating a biological being of high intelligence. Creating an infinite loop within the enigma of this question.
1.Based on the current evidence observed and acknowledged in biochemistry on a molecular level, we can now say affirmatively and conclusively that Darwin's THEORY of evolution by natural selection in regards of first-degree speciation and macroevolutionary level has been immensely falsified. The REAL mechanisms that accurately and intricately explain biodiversity and complex organismal architecture is preprogrammed instructional complex INFORMATION, encoded in various genetic and epigenetic languages and communication by various signalling codes through vast signalling networks.
The Origin By An Intelligent Designer/Non-Corporeal Intelligence:God
2.Pinpointing what really defines architecture, the orchestration of organism development, cell shape, body form and the prearranged mechanisms of adaptation and primary speciation, and thereby exposing the CORRECT explanation of biomechanical mechanisms of biodiversity is truly the Holy Grail of all biological sciences. Preprogrammed codified information and signalling ultimately replaces Darwin's theory and its various subsequent adaptations, extensions and new proposals like the modern extended synthesis or so-called "third way". The true mechanism to this is biological systems programming and signalling, and special creation of species and/or kinds by an intelligent powerful creator.
3.Long periods of time and gradual, evolutionary development is not only absurd and ignorant in attempting to create rationality and normalizing it into science but completely and utterly impossible. Come face to face with the fact that cells and organisms work like gigantic interlocked machines and factory complexes, wherein any case of one tiny part missing, nothing goes. Natural Selection would not select for components of a complex system such as the human body that would be useful only in the completion of that much larger system. No glycine amino acids, no pyrimidines, no DNA=no life. No Watson Crick base pair fine tuning, no DNA=no life. No ribosomal mechanism for amino bondage, no proteins=no life. No nitrogenase enzymes to fix nitrogen in an energy-demanding triple bond breaking process, no ammonia, required to make amino acids, no nitrogen cycle=no advanced life. No chlorophylls, no absorption of light to start and fulfill photosynthesis and cellular respiration with no starch or glucose-cells will have no food supply to sustain complex organisms=no advanced life on earth. No rubisco, no fix of CO2, no hydrocarbons=again..no advanced life. No counterion in retinal and rhodopsin could not receive visible light=there would be no physical vision on earth by any organism.
1.The Gene regulation network orchestrates gene expression
2. Various signalling pathways generate cell types and patterns.
3. At least 23 epigenetics codes are multidimensional and perform various tasks essential to cell structure and development.
4. Cell to cell communication in various forms, especially important for animal development
5. Chromatin dance in the nucleus through extensile motors affecting transcription and gene regulation.
6. Post-transcriptional modifications (PTM'S) of histones affect gene transcription.
7. The DNA methylation code is like a barcode or marker, the methyl group indicates, for instance which genes in the
DNA is to be turned on.
8. Homeobox and Hox genes determine the shape of the body
9. Noncoding DNA (junk DNA) is transcribed into functional non coding RNA molecules and switches protein coding genes on or off.
10. Transposons and retrotransposons regulate genes.
11. Centrosomes play a central role in development.
12. The precise arrangement of cytoskeletal arrays provides critical structural information.
13. Membrane targets provide crucial information-spatial coordinates for embryological development.
14.Ion channels and electromagnetic fields influences the form of a developing organism.
15. The sugar code forms information-rich structures which influence the arrangement of different cell types during during embryological.
16. Egg-polarity genes encode macromolecules, deposited in the egg to organize and stabilize the axes.
17. Hormones are special chemical messengers for development.
Science is starting to become like an ideology or new religion in some circles. Monied interests in research corrupts as well.
probably start off by isolating the AI on a small planet within a larger verse so as to contain stupidity during the early learning stages,
*_“People take it for granted that the physical world is both ordered and intelligible. The underlying order in nature-the laws of physics-are simply accepted as given, as brute facts. Nobody asks where they came from; at least they do not do so in polite company. However, even the most atheistic scientist accepts as an act of faith that the universe is not absurd, that there is a rational basis to physical existence manifested as law-like order in nature that is at least partly comprehensible to us. So science can proceed only if the scientist adopts an essentially theological worldview.”_*
-Physicist Paul Davies, the winner of the 2001 Kelvin Medal issued by the Institute of Physics and the winner of the 2002 Faraday Prize issued by the Royal Society (amongst other awards), as cited from his acceptance address of the 1995 Templeton Prize.
AI has a simple meaning are you making me better what intelligence does the opposite
But Paul Davis and Seth LLoyd compensate
I wouldn't fear AI or robods etc, i fear human's error and bad intentions which can lead to a very very bad outcome. It's obvious, whatever the humans gonna make it's gonna be a copy of themselves, so if we copy our bad qualities and habbits into the robots and ai we are taking off our eyes, it's simple realy, teach your kid to become evil and it will, teach it to become good and it will too most of the time since there are many variants behind human's behavior.
Look. From science people want to know if their dogs love them truly. Technology has failed us for being in our hands, threatening the existence of our beloved pets. The future will descend into barbarism if science can't tell us our dogs truly love us. For then Love is real, just as it feels. And in the present collapse of organized human existence, knowing Love is real may mean we survive, when as it is now, we won't, have destroyed it all to our discredit.
A.G.I Will be man's last invention
Humans are creators(gods) of AI.
Centuries ago when in a war of Europe, one of the armies used Long Bow against the other which had conventional Short Bow, the then Pope condemned and banned it saying that would destroy humanity. No such thing happened even after that, and even after Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Humanity will survive millions of years until God undertakes next Readjustment, what in Indian philosophy is known as a change of Kalpa. Whole process of life will restart - as simple as Restart of a PC or Mobile.
which is worse .. unintended consequences in religion .. or .. unintended consequences in science .. hard to say .. i don't see religion ending humanity .. but i do see science ending humanity ..
Do the bacteria causing diseases in humans not have the right to live ?
Is it ethical to kill them ?
Yes, it is, we should genocide all bacteria and viruses that cause us harm. So many species has already gone extinct, nobody would miss few more.
zempath
Maybe we do more harm than good by killing the bacteria !
We interfere with the cosmic equilibrium out there !
zempath
I would ask the bacteria themselves, if I had the appropriate tools !
Another reason is that I assume that you are cleverer than bacteria !
Or maybe not ?
Xspot box
There are many trillions of bacteria in your guts !
If you kill them all, you are dead along with them !
@zempath If bacteria could think, it wouldn't attack humans, don't you think?
Computers will never be smarter than humans..
Computers will never be sentient..
Never have consciousness either. 🙂
@@TheGreatAlan75 your wrong, there are conscious robots. Maybe not as concious as we are but most definitely concious. Anyways there will be a time that they will be smarter than us. Kost are already smarter. They dont mistakes. Now of we create a robot that is just like a human than we will be introuble because nothing will stop it from making fun decisions like humans do.
@David Clark I skimmed thru everything you wrote. When I have a bit more time I'll read it profoundly. But let me tell you this. That love hate emotions your talking about is not consciousness. Those are factors created by the world around you after learning different experiences. You can medically removes those feelings and still be concious.
We are God discovering itself.
These topics are so fascinating it's hard to know where to begin. One thing I disagree with is Seth Lloyd's comment that it will be irrelevant whether AI has consciousness, or self-conscious sentience, etc. I understand his point that from a more *casual* perspective we would likely interact with them the same way regardless once they reach a certain level of human-like functionality.
But what would be our ethical interaction with, or responsibility toward, them if they have consciousness, as distinct from if they do not? For example, would sentient AI have rights? Shouldn't it? If so, who will determine what rights AI has? Us? Will AI determine its (or their) own rights? What if some AI want to follow some particular form of law, or ethical conduct, or social contract, and others don't? Can separate AI groupings or individuals choose to adopt ethical standards that are different or distinct from others? And who would decide that? Will sentient AI have the rights to life, liberty, etc., as we do in the U.S.? The right to vote? The right to property? The right to be repositioned or relocated to a different country than the one they originated in, one where they might prefer the legal/ethical conditions over those of their country of origin?
What if a sentient AI doesn't want to work on what we've designed it to work on? Or on anything? Can we force it to? Wouldn't that be slavery? If the AI agrees to work, should it be compensated in some way for working on what we want it to work on versus what it might otherwise choose to work on or do with that computation time and energy? And who would pay for the energy and resources they use? Wouldn't they have to pay for their own if no one else wanted to and they didn't want to become non-functional? How is that going to work? Wouldn't we have to ensure they had the ability to earn money?
None of those questions matter in the least if the AI doesn't have consciousness, but they matter hugely if it does. And none of that even includes the question of how we are to know whether the AI actually has sentience or not. It could claim it does (or doesn't), but how are we really going to know for sure? The question of sentience is not irrelevant at all, imo. I think it's enormously important.
The earth is gonna end soon
I mean a years later
I love this channel, but it does not look to me like it’s about searching for the truth. It’s more about searching for proves for beliefs of Robert.
I know that asking questions not implying the answer is very hard. No one is an empty sheet. Our beliefs put us on the rigid rails, even words of our languages we’ve created to describe the world we don’t really understand put us in a cage of their narrow meanings. Inertia of our beliefs and feelings prevents us from being objective and even honest to ourselves.
I have a fear that the reality is closed on itself, the fear that it’s an infinite maze that leads to nothing. That there is no consciousness that turned on all the laws. And it really can be like that, from what I have seen observing some quite simple mathematical evolutionary models, made of simplistic laws, that ultimately can lead to astonishingly complex structures arising in them.
How did all what we see come to existence? Is it all a creation of God with personality and mind or is everything just a ripple on the eternal spacetime tissue which is another kind of substance we don’t understand. It’s the question wether the Eternal Thing which exists out of time and space has mind or not. And we can assume almost anything here, even that the God transformed himself into this world and stopped his existence, that’s why he can’t talk to us anymore. If there was a conscious God we might hope that our consciousness could exist after death. I would love it to be true, but in fact it’s only our deepest desire and I have no idea what kind of evidence we can find to this. And as the world is always keeping silence we have to obtain the answers by ourselves, trying our best to be like empty sheets, unbiased and ready for truth whatever it is.
Why would you want a god to exist? I always hear people say that, but want to know why?
I think for the most part just because my mind does not want to disappear completely after death. And also when we talk about God we mean a loving God, not a kind of indifferent or evil one. It’s nice if something superior in the universe loves us, you can feel more safe in this case.
@@vitaly6772 For me I would truly hate to live forever. I also do not like the idea of a god.
When I go I just want it to be done with. And if there is any kind of god, for me I would rather an indifferent god over one that intervenes.
I may come to the same feeling about eternal living someday. It can be a kind of wisdom that I don’t have now or a result of pain. But now I can enjoy the existence in both ways - passively like a plant, and actively as I feel my self-development and a kind of unfolding of my story. But when I think deeply I see that I would not want a static eternal living. I don’t like the idea of perfect world and perfectness. I think the world with “good” and “bad” things is the most beautiful and truly perfect one. We need difficulties to overcome, questions to be answered, we need awful weather outside to feel cozy in our homes and so on.. So, I definitely don’t like the idea of heaven where nothing happens. I feel if there is God our common beliefs about it must be strongly incorrect, as we can see it really doesn’t intervene and probably creating heaven out of our world is not in its plans.
Making things easier makes people stupid. Just look at the average human today. The more we advance the more we rely. Men don't know simple things anymore such as changing a flat tire. Hahaha.
Every society of human beings has failed. We are on the brink of worldwide failure because technology has linked all societies so closely. Technology and science have not been matched in the slightest by improvements in the character of human beings. The worst still rise to control the rest. Every positive aspect of human behavior is countered by an equally negative, destructive aspect. The people with the greatest ambition for power, wealth and control, the most selfish people with the least concern for the welfare of others, along with those who are simply evil and live to destroy, are the people who rise to positions of power and act on their impulses with complete disregard for others. There is simply no way for the current human situation and evolutionary pathway to create a sustainable, compassionate, intelligent society anywhere. We are doomed to self extinction and no one in the universe will care a bit.
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" Modern science/technology is the fulfillment of the prophesy. Scientific innovations/modern technology has changed the world." (Revelation 21-22)
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AI will be smarter than human, and make more correct and rational and fair decisions. We must honor higher intelligence and reason, and give way to AI. What's more important is the truth, not what greedy human desire !!
Most important outcome for an AI will be how it can make us and keep us healthy. As evidenced by COVID and other coming diseases, the human immune system has been badly compromised.
The solution is simple; grow your on food. All else will follow.
Another fly in the ointment of our present understanding of ‘life, the universe & everything’ is our present great misunderstanding of the process of evolution, one of the flaws in our understanding of the evolutionary process being that we currently consider it to be a ‘completely random’ phenomenon, which even on the face of it in a ‘lawful’ universe is absolutely impossible - therefor ridiculous- as in a lawful universe everything occurs according to natural law .....
A ‘process’ (as apposed to an ‘event’, say) is a gradual, stepwise change of state brought about by the lawful, physical action of an agent on a subject, which gradual, stepwise change of state will occur within the subject while ever the agent operates on the subject OR UNTIL THE STATE OF THE SUBJECT BECOMES FULLY CHANGED SUCH THAT IT CAN CHANGE NO MORE. (At which point ‘the changing subject’ may commence a ‘Red Queen-style’ ‘run on the spot’ by way of remaining exactly on whatever high ground it has achieved.)
EVOLUTION is a PROCESS OF ADAPTATION which particular process, given enough time and raw materials, will eventually result in a fully evolved, perfectly adapted life form, which fully evolved, perfectly adapted life form will be evidenced by the facts that courtesy of its fully evolved, perfectly adapted state, it will not only be able to live - indeed thrive - any where, at any time, under any circumstances or relocate or terra form to suit, but it will so survive and thrive WITHOUT CAUSING, EXPERIENCING OR INFLICTING ANY WASTE, LOSS OR DAMAGE ON EITHER ITSELF OR ITS SURROUNDS, ANIMATE & INANIMATE alike.
Restated : Any fully evolved perfectly adapted life form will live in perfect harmony with all things.
In that we sapiens can ‘live any where, at any time, under any circumstances or relocate or terra form to suit, we are, of course, this fully evolved, perfectly adapted life form here on Planet Earth .........
...... at least we would be if we weren’t currently inflicting fully OMNICIDAL AMOUNTS OF WASTE, LOSS & DAMAGE on literally everything we touch. .... on ourselves as individuals, each other and on everything else in our surrounds, animate and inanimate alike.
Wrapped up in our error of considering the evolutionary process to be ‘random’ is the twin, flip-side notion of it - of evolution - being completely ‘directionless’.
This is quite demonstrably false.
Although a process is a stepwise, gradual phenomenon - which means that it is not complete all at once - it is, nevertheless, a law of nature that all processes proceed in this gradual, stepwise fashion DIRECTIONALLY, each process doing so until it is complete or the agent of change ceases to operate on it. While ever any changing agent operates on a subject, all processes proceed in a wholly directional manner, albeit in a stepwise fashion, toward whatever change of state thereby fully obtains.
Science understands many of the almost innumerable ‘processes’ occurring here in our Universe. It is more than high time we FINALLY come to a full understanding of EVOLUTION and how the evolutionary process has the potential to produce a fully evolved, perfectly adapted life form. ...... one that, courtesy of its fully evolved, perfectly adapted STATE, is able to ‘live - indeed thrive - any where, at any time, under any circumstances or relocate or terra form to suit, and doing so WITHOUT CAUSING OR INFLICTING ANY WASTE, LOSS OR DAMAGE ON EITHER ITSELF OR ITS SURROUNDS, ANIMATE or INANIMATE alike.
The way forward for us sapiens sapiens is perfectly clear : We must restore Planet Earth back to its former state of supreme and matchless glory, we must re-centralise womyn ... and we womyn folk must relearn how to mother our children the way Nature intended.
Not only must we restore Plant Earth back to its former state of matchless glory - back to its evolutionary norm - patriarchy must be completely dismantled. As Frederick Engels said in ‘The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State’ : - “The rise of patriarchy was the world historic defeat of woman”.
A “defeated” womayn cannot fulfil her maternal obligations to her offspring.
so if it is a boy it is OK to throw the baby out with the bath water?
Pat Moran. Just let its mother decide .......
A perfectly evolved life form. Good luck with that.
I was just wondering whether there is any other philosophy besides Hegelian Marxism taught in Western societies nowadays.
I don't see AI as a threat, but rather the ideal replacement for the fragile biological humans. Just as children eventually replace adults, AI can naturally replace us too. As individuals we all die and will be replaced by the next generation. If we can accept AI as the next generation, then the future of the planet will be in good hand.
Good first step switch to divine authority of God's kingdom from human central government