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I just got my copies the other day. Dark Albion, Cults, Lion & Dragon, and Adventures. I'm loving Lion & Dragon. It has a real medieval feel. Magic is very different than D&D, Magisters are more magical scholars. No throwing fireballs. But talismans, demon pacts, rituals. I'm still reading it through, but im really liking it. A lot. I recommend it .
Awesome!
@@RPGPundit - I also picked up a few pdfs- RPGPunditPresents. Saints, Goetia(demons), the Archer, an adventure. Fun stuff. I hope to hear more about a Lion & Dragon Companion book with some of these articles and some new stuff. Im really enjoying Lion & Dragon. You can really tell you put a lot of hard work & historical research in this. A big THANK YOU.
@@shockerck4465 thank you! The first compilation is being put together now. I've seen the 1st draft of the cover & it looks great!
Shocker CK Adventures? Which book is that?
Your game is pure gold.
Really like how this turned into a Q&A. I especially love your use of saints as a loophole to get around the women adventurers issue. That's pretty darn brilliant. I still like my zany this-ain't-history style adventures, but I feel like a more informed gamer knowing how things would play out if my campaigns took place in a truly medieval setting. Also, this book probably would have made my college medieval fantasy fiction turn out a lot better.
My husband (who does the bulk of the RPG book buying) just picked up your tree-portal Celtic magic module, and I look forward to checking it out.
Great! I hope you enjoy it!
On the topic of settings, I feel L&D goes pretty well with Greyhawk as well.
Thanks!
Thank you for making this game!!!! I have spent hundreds of hours trying to house rule this exact experience at the table from multiple D&D systems, C&C, and other OSR games.
While I have enjoyed the journey, I still have a lot to do, and this just saved me years of effort!
The RPG world needs more of this!
Thank you very much. Spread the word, share the video!
I agree that Dark Albion is medieval authentic but it is _late_ medieval authentic. There was a long period of mail before the time of plate and armor is just part of the difference. Not a flaw, of course, but a feature.
Yes, absolutely. I made it late Medieval because that's the one that encompasses everything that most people associate with the middle ages, & my favorite period.
But it's pretty easy to modify it down to earlier periods. My current L&D campaign is Early-Medieval.
Another thing about the middle ages; most "regular animals" were considered to be monsters as well, with a number of odd powers and a predilection towards violence against mankind. Bears, for example, literally licked their young into shape.
Just thought the game might be funnier if the bears and other wild beasts worked like that.
This game looks great. Was on the fence, but not anymore
Thanks! I trust you'll enjoy it!
About to add L&D to my Dark Albion collection... Which of the suppliers (incl. Amazon) has the best quality printings/books would you reckon? Really great work by the way, scratches an itch I've had with OSR for an age, thanks!
I think for softcover they're all good.
For hardcover, maybe Lulu, by a small margin.
Thanks...keep 'em coming :)
Thank you for doing this this basically sold me on the product. Would you consider doing another one for fantastic Heroes and Witchery?
Well, I didn't write or have anything to do with FH&W, but I did write a review of it:
therpgpundit.blogspot.com/2014/08/rpgpundit-reviews-fantastic-heroes.html
@@RPGPundit Thanks for the reply. I did not realize FHW was written by someone else.
58:52 Pundit is pushing diversity, haha.
The mechanic of "roll 2 or pick one" would help in Traveller, where you don't directly pick your skill but drill down to a 1d6 table. I got frustrated by picking Navy Engineer but not getting Engineering skill even once, until Mustering Out!
Oh, God... Traveller... The only game where you can die during the very long character creation... Really cool game, but... ROFL!
"I spent 2 hours building my Traveller character only to die in the last ten minutes of creating my character!" LOL!
Interesting work. Thinking about picking this up and running a drow elf sorcerer through it assuming the dual-wielding rules are on point.
you kidding, right?
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I think elves trying to fit themselves into society might work, or just playing from their perspective. Probably they’d face prejudice.
@@austinreed7343 I think he's kidding, since that character is Drittz Do'Urden, a famous D&D character from Forgotten Realms.
I have to say, I greatly appreciate your comments on allowing for females within the setting. While I don't have problems with fantasy settings like Dungeons and Dragons, I feel like more often than not supposed "realistic" settings want to ignore and discredit the notion that females ever saw combat despite (period!) despite the rare historical precedents with such people like Artemisia of Caria, Joan of Arc (though she never actually fought, killing going against her faith). Christ, even the Samurai occasionally saw the rare female hero. But I digress...
I think you strike the perfect balance, respecting that warrior women, though very rare, did exist throughout history, but still being able to provide that rich and historically realistic setting. It should also be noted that one of Joan of Arc's crimes during her trial was that she "dressed as a man" (wore armor). So I could certainly see the church (or at least a local cardinal or bishop) being a main source of opposition to a female character, but I also think it's great from a roleplay perspective because of how big of an uphill battle it must have been. Sure, Artemesia of Caria was queen of Halicarnassus, but one can only imagine what had to do to earn the respect of someone like Xerxes "god king" of the Persian Empire and allowed admiralship (if that's even a word) over part of his fleet. The roleplay possibilities...
So all I can say is, SOLD! Ordered both this and Dark Albion of Amazon today, but I definitely hope this is a "franchise" you are continuing to flesh out.
One question though, medieval is generally considered a very wide period (Dark Age/Black Death, Crusades, War of the Roses, 100 Years War, Norman Conquest, Vikings/Battle of Hastings, Holy Roman Empire, etc) and I know your main sourcebook is War of the Roses focused, but I'm curious if this core book broadly covers the age as a whole or were you primarily meaning for it to be held within a specific period of the middle ages (as I know arms and armor, even methods of fighting changed throughout the age)?
Thank you so much! This series is being continued, in the Old School Companion 1 and 2, and Sword & Caravan so far. There will be more. Lion & Dragon assumes being set in the late medieval corresponding to the War of the Roses, but Sword & Caravan is set during the 3rd Crusade to the Mongol Invasion (1190s-1220). The next book I'm working on will be set in the late 10th to early 11th Century.
It’s truly a great game. I own it and love it. Problem is finding others who play it. I’d use it with Harn but changing the religious system to that of Dark Albion.
Have you ever thought about doing other cultures? There is a void in material for south east Asia for example. Having "Authentic X" for various cultures would be cool. India would be of great interest to me. Polynesian cultures would be cool. Ect.
Where can I get a hard cover copy of L&S and Cults of Chaos? On Amazon they only have paperback.
Lion & Dragon is available hardcover from Lulu or DTRPG (I suggest Lulu).
Cults of Chaos is the same, but only paperback.
Kasimir Urbanski - RPGPundit I like you and I like your products. I run a home brew medieval/Arthurian style campaign using Relics and Rituals: Excalibur. I also incorporate Harn into my world as a separate continent. I’m trying to keep my game in D&D 3.5 because it’s just so hard to get used to another system and a lot of people still play 3.5. I’m positive though that I can incorporate a lot of things from your books and maybe someday play in Dark Albion.
Kasimir Urbanski - RPGPundit Just bought them. I believe I’ve found my holy grail in your products.
If we are purchasing, is it better quality or faster delivery between Amazon, DTRPG, Lulu?
Hmm. I think that delivery times are very similar. And as far as I can see, there's very little difference in quality. DTRPG has the best set of options, because you can get the print+pdf combo, and the price is just very slightly cheaper, even including the pdf.
@@RPGPundit so questions, I’m about to buy most of your collection, at least regarding L&D, is child eaters from the pundit presents included in old school companion 2? Is the hard cover worth the upgrade? I always see you using soft covers
Will you ever have this and other products get vtt conversions? You’ll probably say no but I feel the need to ask anyway
I'm not the publisher of any of my books, and I work with various different publishers. None of them have ever suggested doing a VTT conversion of any of my books, though I wouldn't rule it out.
Given that Magisters will deal with demons at one point in time (otherwise they'd have a useless ability), how do you manage groups of players with Clerics and Magisters becoming Chaotic at the table? Are there supplements for Chaotic Clerics, i.e. Clerics worshipping false gods?
Binding & commanding a demon (what you're supposed to use Summoning for) is a LAWFUL act.
Making a pact with a demon is chaotic.
Estoy leyendo el juego y tengo una duda, que creo que es por el idioma (no soy angloparlante). Quizá puedas echarme una mano.
“Demons will personally be able to use magical techniques, equivalent to one selection from possible levels of techniques per HD they possess”.
¿Se refiere a una magical skill por HD, escogida/s de la lista para los magister?
Lo de “possible levels” me despista.
Quizá más adelante quede claro, o es mi culpa que no me entero, por el idioma...
Gracias de antemano
It is with reference to summoned demons teaching or using human spellcraft, in addition to the use of their special magical powers. (Pag. 27, bottom left)
Si, se refiere a un magical skill por HD, escogido de la misma manera como se haria si fueras un magister de mismo nivel. O sea, si un demonio tiene True Alchemy, por 1 HD gana conocimiento de todas las recetas menores de alquimia, si dos de sus HD estan dedicado a Alchemy, entonces tambien sabe todas las recetas de major alchemy.
@@RPGPundit muchas gracias!! 👍🏿
@@RPGPundit Entiendo entonces que para los demonios hay una “HD allocation” para elegir magical skills.
Ejemplo: demonio de 3 HD total, asigno 2 a True alchemy (eso da acceso a recetas mayores) y me queda otro HD sin usar para asignarle cualquier otra skill. Es así? 👍🏿👍🏿
Si.
In late medieval society people were allowed to carry one handed swords in most cities according to Shadiversity.
Only the upper classes. I talk about that in Dark Albion. There's sumptuary laws: only members of the knightly and noble social classes could carry a sword.
You should do a big game book on mythical Atlantis, done the right way
Cool idea except I think the Greek Atlantis as originally written would be a kind of boring place, having been invented as a parable.
@@RPGPundit I hear you on that note. Instead you could make it crazy,gonzo,80's style scifi.fantasy. :D
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Cockagine might be more interesting and fun to have, as there was a bit more to it, and it’s more medieval.
21:21 ascending AC, it’s the only thing I don’t like of everything!
Sending or descending is a pretty minor difference
@@RPGPundit just so iconic to my mind that’s it’s hard to see it ‘backwards’
Joan never fought in a battle. However, many camp-followers became fighters out of necessity.
Joan d'Arc fought a number of small battles against the English during the Siege of Orleans, and was even struck by an arrow during the fighting.
Portraying the nobility as cruel and corrupt is not Marxist. That dates back to the American and French revolution and the new capitalist class supplanting the aristocracy as the landowners and men in power. It is a very capitalist thing. It has also risen in the Era of cheering for the little guy, which is especially an American tendency. Marxists would be focussed on a critique of the capitalists that demonized the aristocracy.
You're technically right, but the current need for every (white, at least) aristocrat to be portrayed as unspeakably evil or absurdly decadent is more a product of the postmodern self-hatred of the West.
@@RPGPundit I agree, but I also know the world is more than 6 years old. Unfortunately, for every question, the correct answer is usually "it's complicated."
Maybe I should talk about Mythical Journeys for an hour and a half
You still wouldn't be the Pundit talking, though.
Kasimir Urbanski - RPGPundit omg Noisms just closed his comment section because of a joke I made he didn’t like! It freaked him out or something and he did a post about how people ruin everything. So maybe there’s hope for me
@@scottanderson8167 well done. Link?
Kasimir Urbanski - RPGPundit monstersandmanuals.blogspot.com/2019/03/on-blogging-and-commenting.html?Feed:+MonstersAndManuals+(Monsters+and+Manuals)&m=1
Do the rules put a maximum limit on the Strength or Dexterity of female characters lower than males' maximum, with perhaps some compensation somewhere else? That is super-realistic (the top female athletes are running the 100 metres one second slower than the top male athletes), but super-triggering.
No. The D&D rule mechanics are broad enough that the far ends of the ability score curve overlap.
There can DEFINITELY be women with STR18. There would just be less of them than the men with STR18.
@@RPGPundit But that's not true, though. I just said, the record top female athlete for the 100-meter dash is running it one second slower than the top male athlete. If you were to represent that male athlete with the top possible ability score for innate physical ability and call it STR 18, you can't likewise give STR 18 to the top female athlete, since she didn't achieve what the male did! Not her, not any of the other female athletes. Or another example, if you take a spin in the Guinness Book of Records, the top weightlifting record for dead-lift by a male is 473 kg, 140 kg more than the top record for a female. So how can you justify giving both of them the same score on a consistent scale of STR? The top end of the male and female ranges in a certain ability are DIFFERENT. You will find many males and females equal to each other in a "stat", but not at the top levels.
Do we want realism in games, or do we succumb to insults and ostracism by those political forces that want to declare males and females equal, or of equal potential, in everything, just like that, just by fiat? Didn't original D&D set a different upper limit for each gender for STR, and PCness be damned? I'm sure the current company wants people to FORGET that.
@@Dracopol again, I don't think a 3-18 range is so broad as to encompass those differences.
@@Dracopol But there's no law that says STR 18 means a character can lift 470 kg and a STR 16 can lift 330. That's WAAAAY too granular, and when you get into that, well, if STR 9 or 10 is average, then what, exactly is the number for that deadlift? Because if you have two human male characters, one 5'7 and 150 lbs and one 6'5 and 220 lbs, they can both have a STR of 15 and, realistically, would both have dramatically different max deadlifts.
Docking a woman on STR is ridiculous not because of how much she should be able to lift -- which is a call a GM can simply make by adjusting the challenge of something -- but because STR primarily affects a character's ability to hit and do damage IN BATTLE. It's not fair to say to a woman that you have less of a chance to hit an enemy, or your attacks will always do two less damage, especially when a skilled fighter doesn't always need brute strength but can make up for that in some sort of skill. (Maybe Lidda isn't as strong as Kordek, but she's more precise. Yes, preciseness would fall under DEX, but that doesn't apply to whether you hit or not, so the argument can still be made for the equal attack score.)
As a GM, especially if you are playing with a cool, rational group of players, should encourage them to build explanations around their stats. Look at (Brianne? Brienne?) of (Tarth?)... the tall chick from Game of Thrones. She's an exceptionally large woman. Fantasy allows for that.
But believe me, trying to place limits on character strength in terms of actual numbers of lbs is a mess. We tried to come up with a similar system, and there was just tweaking and retweaking everywhere, and we found that to really encompass all the fractions of strength available, you needed radically more gradations than 18.
And think about other stats. DEX. Men have better hand-eye coordination, which is why they're generally better drivers. Does that mean women characters should get docked in DEX, too? But, just the fact that men take more high-risk jobs show that they are less careful and show less caution than women. When a rogue is disarming a trap, that extra bit of caution could even out a DEX score between men and women, it's an element of intelligence, but INT doesn't actually factor into the roll, only DEX does. So you can absolutely make an argument for just leaving the system as-is.
Better to worry about it when trying to create premade characters for a pick-up and go game. We call average strength for a woman 9 and for a man 10, but don't cap out the upper limit. Better to make house rules than overly complicate the game.
Likewise, a house rule that says certain challenges may have a higher DC for women would make more sense than actually docking the modifiers. You could say arm-wrestling the Orc to win the bet to shame him into tell you where X is would be a Difficulty 17 for a male and Difficulty 16 for a female, which would be much better than crippling her ability to hit every enemy in the game and dealing a potential 2 HP less of damage per hit for her character's lifetime.
@@ShellPrestoDiBaggio Just as the top women have not proven themselves equal in the 100-meter dash or in weightlifting compared to the top men, they have not proven themselves equally effective in battle. No, the time for mealy-mouthedness is over. I do seem to recall an early version of D&D where, if you chose a female character, your random roll to get STR was docked, and you got compensated elsewhere. All STR scores were possible for you _except_ the top male score. This seems to have fallen down a Memory Hole, but it is physical reality, not the Dayglo political reality being imposed onto us by evil people. I will play with gender realism...
The RuneQuest RPG has STRength and MASs characteristics. Every PC and NPC has the same stats block (unless they are spirits, in which case they have no STRength or MASs). Your chances to lift a given MASs is a percentile roll of 50% plus/minus 5% per point of difference between STR used and MASs to be lifted. This likens things to concrete measurements (you can convert MASs to pounds or kg). Since the top women can't lift the same mass as a top male athlete, their top STRs will be lower.
It is very detailed and and it shows you put a lot of thought in development. However, I was a bit disappointed that even though it is called medieval authentic the setting it is not set in historical medieval Europe. I would also prefer if all artwork was consistent, authentic medieval/renaissance woodcuts or stylized as such.
Yeah, I would have preferred real mediaeval Europe as the L&D setting but it's pretty easy to transpose if you know any of the real history.
@@misterballista it is real Medieval Europe. Late Medieval.
It is very similar in many aspects, sometimes name is the only difference. But stii, it takes some work to play in 15c Europe.
I like consistent art in RPG books, too, depending on the era. However, I can't imagine how long it would take an artist who specialized in authentic woodcut style to do all the illustrations for a single book, or how much you'd have to pay them. Realistically, a lot of times, you just have to compromise to get the book out in a timely manner.
(I have no idea who the artists Urbanski got are or what his rational was or what/if he paid them. I'm just talking about my own book-making experience as an artist.)
@@ShellPrestoDiBaggio most of the art in L&D or Albion is public domain medieval or Early-Modern art. Some pieces are reworkings of the same. All modern artists were credited & duly compensated by the publisher, to the best of my knowledge.
Doesn't sound very authentic medieval first thing that I took note of in your product overview is that you claim they had a class system in the dark ages when the only noble title one could earn is that of knight what they had predominantly back then was a CASTE system where the individual was bound to whatever social caste they were born into, the opportunity for growth was far more limited, the other thing you also fail to mention is that while monotheistic were definitely a part of the system there were still many cultures that were polytheistic. Most of the nobles were tyrant scum and this didn't get any better toward the end of the dark ages and the beginning of the age of enlightenment. Columbus and most of the Spanish conquistadors were primitive morally bankrupt swine. Same thing with most of the British. I think the French had the right idea beheading most of the Aristocracy.