Jaguar i-Pace real-world review. The ups & downs of running an electric car..
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- Jaguar I-Pace real-world review after 2500miles of EV motoring. Video includes a test of real-world battery range vs predicted battery range, using the UK's high-speed charging network and what happens next when the Jaguar I-Pace's battery range reaches zero.
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The most useful, informative and truthful review of an EV vehicle I have seen. Thank you and well done.
Then you need to subcribe to Tesla Bjorn in Norway!
Great honest review & interesting points raised on many levels.
I was thinking just the opposite. I like this, I don't like that. Again and again. It's impossible to count the amount of times he says "I". He's really a EV noob as he does tons of stuff people do the first week with their EV. He can't make up his mind if it's a car review or and EV review. Skip this...
@@loopie007 100% Agree. Found myself tutting at the screen with the nonsense being stated.
Most people with an EV plan journeys, where they will charge with accounts set up in advance. Apps exist to say if a give place is in use. He was very honest, but at the same time, showcased the very worst of the charging infrastructure. In that way, it was not so balanced. If he'd planned ahead he'd have had far less trouble.
Also, something like 90% of UK car journeys would fall well within the range of home charging anyway, so it's not like your planning a charge stop every day.
Also a big fan om Mr. Harry. Absolutely number one in car reviews, what a beautiful character full man. Always his own self with a honest review. Thanks Harry! Greetings from Belgium.
Nice to see a DF member here in the comments
This is the best and most honest review of an electric car, that I have ever seen! Without a doubt Harry has the greatest car channel on CZcams, keep up the good work!
I agree
Thank you for an interesting and entertaining review. I entirely agree with your comments about the UK’s fragmented and chaotic charging infrastructure, but have a different take on your other criticisms. I’ve owned an iPace since April 2019 and find it to be fast, quiet, luxurious and, far from being bland to drive find it immensely engaging. In Eco or Comfort mode it invites a calm and measured driving style. But did you try Dynamic mode? The whole set up changes, the car lowers and the skateboard geometry and low centre of gravity comes into its own. It is entirely ‘chuckable’ on winding roads and just as much fun as my TT roadster. Most people’ journeys are under 30 miles per day so with a 7kw home charger the car is entirely practicable. And if, like you, there are courtesy chargers at your gym or workplace, it’s dead easy to top up there although most of the time you don’t really need to. You are quite right about the range issue, although your 22 inch wheels and winter temperatures probably account for most of the ‘Guessometer’s’ over optimism. Don’t forget that Jaguar update the car over the air, and having been initially cautious on range, have just remotely added an 8% range increase. We all have Tesla envy but the Jag IS better built and more luxurious; as for the banks of Tesla chargers, they’re great if you are motorway driving and there’s one en route but unless you live near one they’re completely useless the rest of the time. I was puzzled by the Polar charger refusing your card. I use Instavolt contactless chargers (totally easy) on journeys and find the new Polar contactless units almost as easy. We took the car to France in May and drive around Brittany for a fortnight with no problem and at a total cost of £8 thanks to a couple of free vends. Don’t forget that advance planning with live charger status makes charging less fraught. I use Zap-Map and Chargemap which are excellent. So in summary, while I share some of your frustrations, I find the iPace to be a really excellent car and I’m delighted with it. Best wishes, Andrew.
I have watched at least 6 reviews of electric cars, among them also a couple of reviews of the I-Pace. This one is by far the best in all aspects, and truly provided me with data I did not recieve anywhere else. Thank you, Harry!
Bjorn Nyland anyone? ( He does live in Norway where they see to have got the charging network just about sorted)
How heroic does that Shadow I overtaking on the M40 look! That’s a proper car.
Nothing heroic about polluting the air, I love cars but we no longer can stick our head in the sand about the pollution they cause and the effects on health that has. Electric may not be the long term solution for all transport but it will be part of the solution with the technology we have now.
@Carpless first of all the grid say they can handle it, second, using your argument is an easy way to sit on your hands and say there is nothing that can be done. If consumers push for it suppliers will provide it.
@Carpless we have always been at the mercy of people who want control and money it is human nature, now we have plastic bag manufacturers arguing that we switched to plastic to save the trees which may be true but now we see the damage being done we need to switch back and use sustainable materials that don't pollute, use power sources that don't pollute. Trouble is pretty much anything humans do, because there are so many of us, we cause damage to the environment I guess we have to figure out how to minimise that damage.
Yep. Nail on the head. Tesla knew what they were doing when creating the Supercharger network. It's a great advantage and incentive
@Alfs Awful I'd much rather have a shoddily painted car which I can actually use for long journeys, rather than going through the pain Harry did in this video :-)
@Alfs Awful no complaints on my Model S paintwork. But agree you are paying for the battery tech and super computer AI self driving kit and the cloud computing services. This isn't a car so much as a very fast portable ipad.
Yes, I had to do a 300 mile round trip starting with 27% charge at short notice on a Sunday evening. Never worried about being able to charge using the Tesla superchargers. Charged at 142kwh for 15 minutes while watching CZcams on the car screen. I could see I had 8 out of 8 bays free in real-time on the nav screen while driving.
@Alfs Awful for the car or for the supercharger electric? Superchargers by tesla is operated as a nonprofit service. It's 24p kwh. Which for such a high output isn't bad. 15p at home until I switch to Octopus when it will be 5p for 4 hours at night. During the day I'm on solar panels. If you've got a model 3 in summer that's just over 1p per mile.
If it's the car then yes the up front cost is higher but almost no maintenance, serving and fraction of the price fue means that its probably about the same over total cost of ownership.
What we really need is all supermarkets, car parks etc to have all spaces with chargers. Then it becomes normal to park and plug in. But it's got to be every and easy like the tesla. Plug in walk away and you are automatically billed.
@@milesforrest6920 Last fill up on my Honda CIVIC cost £55. Last fill up on my (new) Tesla £15. Even if I have to recharge the Tesla twice to get the same range, I'm still ahead on fuel costs.
Harry, such a good review. So many questions and considerations taken into account.. thanks!
OMG - I feel stressed just watching you trying to charge it .... Thanks for being honest (even though we know you have connections at JLR)
A good generic question for potential EV buyers - Are you the sort of person that gets stressed out easily? DON'T buy one!
@@fang75429 LOL .... Fair point .... Or, if you are the sort of person who has sheet to do, and doesn't have hours to waste sorting this sort of stuff out, be warned. I'm sure some will never need to charge away from home, so makes no odds ... Those that will - buy a Tesla 😂
@@JIMMYHIBBS1 There are several apps which collate charging point information, and charger type, people tend to do the same long journeys too. Most people's journey are short and most charge from home. I think some cursory research would have saved Harry a lot of stress. The EV community tend to be very helpful too in answering your questions.
@@planespeaking I agree. A good video but not the first on CZcams where a quick look on zap map would have helped no end. Also he suggested all electric cars range cant be trusted. I disagree. The Kona/ENiro are really accurate and my I3 isnt bad est range either. Totally agree with Harry on the leaving with 100%...its brilliant and don't think people realise how nice that is!
@@adamfry1125
You need a concealed carry licence to successfully navigate charging lines here in Texas. All guns are in plain view to maintain polite, orderly conduct.
Wow a half an hour video from Harry is just what I need to both energize and relax me for the coming week!
You obviously had the right charge socket with you..
@@jonnypickett2546 lol 🤣
You know, I didn't even realize it was 33mins long until I read this! xD
Absolutely brilliant video, one of the best I have ever seen. Great editing. Puts you completely in the picture of the reality of electric car usage. Thank you for uploading Harry.
Brilliant video, very insightful and rehearses all the issues without any axe to grind. Another excellent job Harry!
Can anyone forward this video to the UK Secretary of State for Transport and ask him (think it is Grant Shapps) to fix the mandatory charging using contactless issue. It needs actioning by 10AM on Monday
It’s about time the govt got serious about alternative fuels. They could start by making public transport run on thyme.
Tesla already sorted it.
It's taken them nearly 4 years to get brexit to first base, so don't expect any change soon.
@@anonimushbosh You want the busses to run on herbs?
Billy Bob Yep!
13:46 "that's taken, that's taken" ... I wish the next one would have been a Porsche ...
"that's taken, that's taken, that's Taycan" :-)
LMAO!
I think Porsche named their ev after the sound you make seeing occupied charging station haha
@@kristisrb In a Brummie accent. haha
Very good
@@kristisrb see: Taycan't charge... Taycan't charge... Taycan charge (no, Taycan't, charger's broken)... Taycan charge (but Taycan't charge very fast)...
Hands down my favorite presenter on the internet. Very interesting video Harry. Thank you for all.
Superb review. Great to hear your comments which match my experience with an I-Pace.
I'm a simple man. I see a Harry's garage video, I click, like and leave a nice comment. Least I can do for this wonderful channel
Shit, I was literally thinking and about to say that as soon as I got the notification lmao.
@@OggaDugga My subscriptions are full of the same shite clickbait videos - "ooooh should I wrap my Lamborghini in gold or chrome". This is REAL content here.
Could not agree more. Getting a notification of a new Harry's Garage is always a delight.
Great stuff, at last, a real-world test on an EV.
Check out Tesla Bjorn (he does a lot more than just Tesla). Range testing is just 1 of the many things he has excelled in across a large range of different EVs from different manufacturers.
Bravo, Bravissimo Harry!...considering all aspects, you are the best in your, testing, general info and attention to detail. Congratulations!
Intelligent, informative, no nonsense and very much to the point with no unnecessary waffling. Just what all car reviews should be like, but few are. Thank you.
One of the best things on You Tube. Well done Harry! Well done Jaguar.
And boo to the energy companies making it so hard to charge.
well done Jaguar? did you watch this video you plonker?! better stick with tesla if you want an EV
@@lolbots Happen to think this is a nice car, take a chill pill mate!
@@lolbots The Tesla X isn't much different except for being able to use the excellent Tesla charging system which is far better than the trash offered by the big energy companies at the moment. Tesla and Jaguar both overstate their range by a similar amount when highway driving - the differences come down to preference - would you rather have a car that feels well put together with quality paint, a nice interior and good panel fit but questionable long term support and reliability? Then buy the Jaguar - would you rather have the best charging technology, a superior ICE and navigation system, guaranteed OTA updates and a bunch of dumb features you'll never use like arcade and fart modes? Tesla is for you then.
Really if you want a reasonably priced quality EV that doesn't make bullshit claims about its range, get a Kia or a Hyundai.
@@Beer_Dad1975 good points but for a daily driver this car is crap with having to go through 3rd party BS chargers. With Tesla you have peace of mind in that respect. For that amount of cash you would be crazy, dumb or a fanboi to pass over a Tesla
At 8.09 some bloke goes past on his way to the arctic circle.
Your comment confused me until I saw this: czcams.com/video/VIdNcbsgOiM/video.html
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... in a proper gas car; And in style, of course.
marwood1969 Old money. 40-year old motor doing 90mph in style. A much “greener” car than any new electric one.
Very informative Harry. You covered a-lot of areas I was wondering about. Thank you
I would love you to revisit this review as a 3yr old used option at £25000 now for the S around 30k for the HSE. 3 years on with the charging network and with tesla starting to open out it’s charging network. I think this would be an interesting video, perhaps compared to some other EVs’ PS you can get a 3 year old ipace ex PCP from Ex jaguar dealer, service history with a 1 year warranty, serviced and MOT with around 35,000 miles on the clock, 5 years and 65,000 miles of warranty still left on the battery for around 25 to 30 £K depending on variant and condition/ millage etc. the reliability of these cars seems to be holding up with the exception of a few common issues such as water ingress in the frunk etc. I think it’s a good option. I’m getting around 250 miles range driving sensibly in 17 degrees weather combined roads and around 260 in town. That not bad. I’m guessing motorway in winter realistically 180/190 miles. I think that’s enough to cover 90% of drivers needs. This car should be on anyone’s shortlist for a used ev. The Tesla model three can now be had for the same kind of money however if you want a car that is a little different, don’t like saloons and prefer a a hatch back, this car offers better driving and a little more refinement on fit and finish. I recommend the less desirable 18” wheels on the ipace as the comfort level and range is improved vastly. Compared to the tesla model 3 the Jag is less crashy over bumps. I recommend tesla also however if you have a bad back i simply hate the model 3 in town on bad roads and had to get rid of mine as the cost of chiropractors was three times the cost of fulling it. I hate the suspension on the tesla! The ipace with 18”s and black rims is the way to go if comfort and range is the priority. Ted talk Over!
Would be a great video to come back years on, I’m currently in the market for my first electric car and can’t decide between the I pace or the e tron, there’s pros and cons of each so a decent video directly comparing the 2 as used cars would be very useful
One issue with the Ipace on Tesla charger is that the socket is on the opposite side and the cables are short. So you park in the wrong bay for the cable meaning 2 bays are out of use for teslas. This also means that the Telsa app shows more chargers availible that they realy are.
Excellent comparison between the 3 and the I Pace. I wanted to get the 3 for the range, charging network and the tech, but it's too low, too noisy and too harsh. The Y is even harsher. So going with an approved I Pace for now, hoping it works out good!
Another excellent video from Harry. And my fears and suspicions confirmed about the EV charging network. Unless it’s a Tesla, it’s going to be stressful to operate an EV in real world terms until the network moves on very significantly. I’ve just retired and was looking at the iPace. Yes, I admire it, but the issues Harry demonstrates would give me an ulcer. Christ, I get pissed off waiting 2 minutes behind some dithering fool at the fossil fuel pumps.......
I manage fine in my I Pace it can actually be a much less stressful way to travel if you prepare properly - no it isn't as easy as jumping in your ICE car and just driving, filling up and then carrying on driving but I won't be going back to ICE now I've driven electric.
Same here in Germany!
That’s what stoped me buying a Renault Zoe and I still keep my old Fiat Seicento...
I'd like a new Zoe with longer range in about a year time. It is perfect size for city driving and going to work and back.
/// AMG - they added now CCS fast charging to the Zoe40 what would make it a perfect daily runner - even for longer distances.
The problem isn’t the range - 200km would be enough if there is the possibility to quick charge and the problem with the charging points is solved.
Just imagine the petrol companies would act like the power suppliers - only with their card or app would refilling be possible!!!
The roads would be empty...
the problem is also that most people can't just park their car in front of their home, or in their garage, and charge overnight.
tommihommi1 - it wouldn’t be a problem, if there would be enough and easy to access chargers...
You don’t have a petrol station in your basement - haven’t you?
Problem with Zoe is non-adjustable seats in height
I really enjoy the honesty of your reviews. They are more in keeping with the average person's day to day life. This video highlighted the work that still needs to be done to make charging as simple as pulling into the forecourt of any fuel station. There needs to be more sites like the one Gridserve recently opened. Great video again Harry.
Excellent reporting! Thank you. You've given me so much practical and useful information for making a decision on my next automobile purchase.
Overtaken by an old Rolls Royce Corniche on the M40, that doesn't happen every day!
Much more interesting car than the I-Pace
That was the first Shadow, what did you think about the other one being chauffeured driven around London, 40 year old car still being used as an executive driven car.
james may
@@elizabethcherry920 Very cool, indeed. I love older British cars.
@@elizabethcherry920 I have 3 Jags. But after watching what Harry went through, If I was to buy an electric car it would be a Tesla.
I am a new owner of an i-Pace and a lot of your review chimes with my own experience. Range tends to be something of an obsessive topic with EVs but, as your film shows, the real issue is charger anxiety not range anxiety. Tesla did a great job of systematically removing the barriers to EV adoption. Other manufacturers have relied on independent operators whose networks and systems have grown organically. The good news is that the networks are growing at a rate that matches EV ownership. Unless we get some good regulation, we are going to have to rely on commercial and technological evolution to bring things together. For your test journey the i-Pace’s range was fine and I’m guessing that would be true for the majority of your journeys. If you were off to see your Espada in my home town though, then doing battle with the charger network is inevitable. I can see how the anxiety that induces would be off putting - especially when you have so many other options.
I knew all this going in with my car. I am nerdy enough not to be put off by the challenges of the current situation. However, I will concede that it is still short of mainstream yet and, despite being a bit new-convert EVangelical, it would be hard to recommend it to all my family yet.
I do disagree with you about the driver involvement. Cutting across Shropshire down country lanes last week in dynamic mode (warp drive noise on max) was more fun that it would have been in the 530d Xdrive the i-Pace replaced. I’ve steered clear of SUVs in the past because of their dynamic compromises, but Jag have done a great job. Mine doesn’t have air-suspension and the low speed ride is a little fidgety, but it stays remarkably flat in the bends and has good turn in. It is less upset by poor surfaces than the Beemer was. I find that the one foot driving means you can get into a nice flow on the the twisty stuff and focus on your lines. It’s still breaks my head a little to see the energy consumption drop when you engage in that kind of driving.
The i-Pace most reminds me dynamically of my old XKR in the way it feels (minus soundtrack) and that is OK with me. That extends to the duality of its nature - a refined cruiser with almost violent performance simmering just below the surface. I guess that makes it a proper Jaguar.
Gandalf721 I owned my XK for three years and only had one small issue. The other marques I tested were Aston, Porsche and Maserati, so Jag servicing costs were actually a benefit. Theoretically, an EV should be cheaper to maintain. However cars are so tech heavy these days and the i-Pace is an all new platform so time will tell.
The dynamics are probably helped by the fact that it didn't look too much taller than the XE in the background
An interesting review and good to hear its largely back up with your real world experience.
I drive a Tesla model S and in 8 months I've needed to charge away from home about 5 times. I've done a few more for experiments. I have to agree the Tesla experience remove the anxiety as the nav screen directs you to the charge stops required and shows in real time how many are in use. No RF cards, no contact less cards, no app required. Just plug in and it knows who you are and bills your tesla account automatically. Standard price, per kwh used. You get charge idle fees on superchargers if you don't move on after a grace period which frees it up for others.
EU should just mandate the protocols on the charger so all networs and all chargers offer the same automatic billing.
He does make a good point in the video that most mornings you have a full battery (or 90%) and you never bother thinking about the range. Average is less than 40 miles a day.
The big wheels and wide tyres ruduce range. Also the fussy design of the ipace probably doesn't help. Model S seems to use less on motorways.
Temp of battery makes a big difference which I've noticed on my first winter of EV ownership. Just like having a cold combustion engine the economy worse when it's cold. You waste energy as heat taking power out of the battery. Cabin heater also makes a difference. It helps to use your phone app to heat the car before you leave and also to complete charging (which warms the battery) just before you leave. Tesla updated the car software to allow you to easily set it up.
Once you try electric you never go back and I'm a petrol head.
Without doubt one of your best videos, the first real world review of a electric car I have seen. BRAVO ! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I thought the excellent way you summed up the realities of having an electric vehicle at present spot on. I always admire your clear thinking process. Thanks Harry.
I bought an i Pace in March 2019 and have covered around 10,000 miles, and I would like to confirm that your review is 100% accurate. The charging system is abysmal in this country, and you summed that aspect up very accurately. Why not allow us to use a debit card. The car is amazing to drive and as you say, the speed is spectacular. Your milage range comments were also very accurate, and is definitely affected by winter temperatures. Last note, I have found 60mph with cruise control on motorway driving does return the quoted range miles.
Philip Jones Good to know but then also disappointing to know too. Hope UK charging network for brands other than Tesla gets its act together over coming months, otherwise it’s going to be carnage for car manufacturers
"I have found 60mph with cruise control on motorway driving does return the quoted range miles" = OMG, that would drive me insane.
I maybe missed this in the video, but how much would it have cost Harry to fully charge his car at one of those stations?
As a frequent motorways user, you are lucky to get to 70mph they are so rammed. So a nice constant 60mph cruise is very sensible and economical.
Did you go with i Pace due to availability issues with other manufacturers? I mean, this video shows just how utterly tragic it is to have an ev that's other than Tesla right now... I think the i pace has a nice cabin vs Model 3, but like other comments allude - it is stressful just watching Harry attempt charging! And of course, an easy comment to make, but for the price of this i Pace you could get a 2020 Model S with Autopilot, charging netwrk and updates.
@@harrysgarage I am afraid car manufacturers are more than happy about you being pushed to their hybrid offerings until they can deleverage their huge investment in combustion engines. Hence this situation...
Harry, you are simple the best.
Thank you very much for a real world test!
Loving the gems in the background!
Thanks for a good review Harry. I test drove the I-Pace the other day and was impressed, but same problem here in Australia with the charger network. The distance between charging stations outside of the city is even more of an issue here, and is why I instead went with the Velar.
Yes, that sounds about right. I've been driving an EV for 8 years now, and you learn that the estimates are sometimes optimistic, but they get better over time, and are based on how and where you have been driving recently. Charging apps are all rubbish, you can usually tell the working chargers as they have cars plugged in and charging. Hopefully they will all get on with moving to the contactless payment that petrol pumps have been using for years.
I love your videos they are always very frank and come from the point view of an informed person.
t c no a fiat abarth ffs
Harry - loving watching your videos.... your comments at 18mins just clarifies why I am now on my second Tesla - nothing else comes close.... yet
Excellent video ! Nice seeing two Rollers as well
Very informative and interesting,things will clearly have to change as time goes on.
Absolutely the best review of an all electric car. Thank you.
"of an all electric car" that is not a Tesla.
@@dzerressome people don’t want bad build quality teslas. and would rather have a HSE i pace that’s not a shit heap lol
Probably the most honest review of living with an electric car I've watched. Thank you.
This is - as usual - a terrific video from Harry. I'd no idea that it could be so complicated to charge an electric vehicle. Perhaps it's a more practical proposition for those doing a few city miles who can charge nightly at home, but even in the home counties this demonstrates so well that for this kind of use, internal combustion is still "miles" ahead.
The worrying thing is the charging networks have had 9 yrs to get this working right in the UK !
UK generally slow on most things. Look at brexit for example 🤣
EV sales have been tiny up until now
Eric Pisch watching Harry’s video. It seems stupid to me that Tesla have their own charger and other cars are all different. Why don’t they all use the same ‘plug’. If each car battery charges different then surely that can be programmed by the electrics and not based on the plug. All petrol vehicles use same size hole and diesels are the same so why can’t it be like that for milk floats. Seems very stupid to me
Gregs Mowing almost everything sold now (including Tesla Model 3) has settled on type 2 for slower/home charging and CCS for rapid charging. Nissan Leaf is the only notable exception.
@@GregsMowing It's even stupider when you realize Tesla offered all of their charger engineering designs & patents for free in an attempt to create a better standard.... Of course, it wasn't entirely altruistic, but still.
Think I’ll get the bycicle oiled up,very informative Harry been a good eye opener
You were doing all this for the video. Imagine doing the same on an essential journey in the rain at night. This tech is great, but it needs work.
Seems like compete ballache!
You're right about the exclusivity of charging stations. I hope they're listening. There should only be on type of plug for all EVs, and let the smart charger decide which amperage/voltage should be used for each vehicle.
Being absolutely honest with your review you are a good man
Great test Harry thank you. Can't see why I'd want one.
Excellent video. One of your best!
Great informative video showing the real life of owning an electric car. Also goes to show how much further technology and infrastructure needs to go. Cheers.
Enjoyed the video. Had my iPace a month, done about 1000 miles. Not yet any need to charge away from home, hence why I bought it, I have one trip planned when I will need a charger where I am going, and there are many Instavolts in the location. Loving the car so far. Longest trip so far = 190 miles, got back with 40 miles left, 70 on Mway.
A really excellent video Harry and confirms what many of us suspected.
Thanks Harry. I live in Vancouver, Canada. Your info was very helpful. There are a couple of chargers at stores near me. They seem to be free, and they've had many different makes of electric car plugged into them. I think your comment at the end makes sense: plug in electric hybrid, until the infrastructure and range issues are resolved. You are also right that public charging will become painful as more electric vehicles hit the roads.
I can only imagine what Harry's password for an E-gas app would be: most likely the name of some formidable but obscure Alfa test driver followed by the cylinder dimensions of a '32 Marmon V-16.
Brilliant Harry....answered many of my questions and confirmed a lot of my worries about EVs ...the levante will have to stay for now 👍
Informative as usual about what actually matters, keep up the good work Harry.
As ever an excellent review! I’d love to see a comparison review alongside the state of the public charging network today!
This is precisely the reason that I bought a Tesla. When attempting to charge my BMW i3 in New Jersey with EV-Go chargers, the stations were often broken with no way of knowing until you arrive there. And I was taunted by a dozen glowing red Tesla Superchargers from across the parking lot. In the two years I’ve had my Model X, I’ve never had any issues charging. It’s easier to live with than a conventional gas car.
Same. 100%... and absolutely love my X. Best decision I ever made
Yep, absolutely. Our sub £40,000 Model 3 SR+, transports us in disgraceful luxury and comfort, (with copious luggage space), anywhere we want to go.........destination and mileage no issue. It's as simple as that.
And it keeps updating while it's sat in the drive over night, charging.
I have no idea what other companies are thinking. I thought that after so many years they'd be able to copy the good points of the Supercharger system, even if for a higher charging fee.
They're shooting themselves in the foot by not creating a working standard without all the silly apps, RFID fobs and broken chargers. The payment can easily be solved with prepaid accounts where you only plug in and click yes to agree with the charging fee.
And these are the same companies that said no seven years ago when Tesla asked them if they want to partner up in building the worldwide charging network. The taxpayers won't like it once they start asking for government bailouts.
@@andyb6851 - I might get a bit of hate for this, but think it may be best if the rapid charging network is nationalised, at least until there are enough EV drivers out there to make it an easier business model.
The main reason why Tesla's Superchargers are so much better than everyone else's is that they don't expect the network on its own to be a profit centre; it exists to help sell the cars. This means they can justify building masses of expensive, high-quality, high-powered chargers per site. If a location costs £200k to set up, and you only have a handful of cars per day paying ~£15 each (much of which is lost to rent and electricity fees), that is going to take a very long time to pay back. That's why most providers just get away with a single, cheap, unreliable 50kW unit for ~£30k all-in.
If the network's nationalised, like the Superchargers it no longer has to be profitable in the short-term, so they can build larger stations with faster, more reliable equipment. Also makes it more likely that we'll get a single national payment system.
@@andyb6851 Exactly. I’ve seen chargers sit broken for weeks before being repaired. Never mind that Non-Tesla chargers are usually ugly, clunky and don’t make it an easy experience. At the very least, they should work as well as gas pumps. If these charging companies are so desperate for customer data, they could offer loyalty options for those who sign up. Just like everyone else offers. Tesla (Elon) was smart to use the development period during the sales of the X and S to build-out a charging infrastructure. Now that it’s largely in place, they can continue to expand enhance it. Meanwhile, all the other automakers are bumping into each other trying to figure out what to do next.
Best review of real life with an EV that I've seen. Makes me think that plug-in hybrid is the way to go at the moment if you are minded to go electric. Thanks a million Harry!
Or a Tesla. Pretty much all his negatives needed "except in a Tesla" appended to them
Test-drive a Tesla, you won't regret it. 1000 mph charging (Model 3) and genuine 380 mile range (Model S), excellent in-car planning software. No bother.
@@ralphpurtscher-wydenbruck230 Should they (Tesla) start selling me spare parts and give proper documentation with those I even might think about it.
I _never_ would buy _any_ car the maker tries to prevent me from repairing myself and does not even think about supporting the second- or thirdhand market.
Very well done! This has to be one of the most in depth and honest looks at living with an EV I have ever seen. I know I learned a lot. My family and I really like the upcoming Mustang Mach E but it looks like it would still be a good idea to keep the internal combustion engine car as well. Hopefully the charge stations wise up. Why you can't just use a card reader and use a credit card or debit card like at the gas station is beyond me. I do have to give credit to Tesla though for having their stuff together.
Great video Harry, and really informative. I'm much less convinced now by the current EV product offer after watching this.
Big savings on fuel, until you factor in all those coffees & cakes while you're waiting for it to charge!
You lack will
And the gym membership to burn all that off
And the initial price premium
And the depreciation!
time is money too
Just driven back from Switzerland, in a 2-litre Mk.2 Superb. 840 miles door-to-door on one 68-litre tank of Diesel. Ok, so I didn't take it over 75 m.ph., but, even so pretty impressive. I overtook an electric something or other tucked in behind a truck at 56 mph to extend his range.
Tony Griffiths how much CO2 did you spew into the atmosphere though in you 2-litre.
@@markgaudie80 How much co2 does the electric power station Spew into the atmosphere ?
Good for you!
@@markgaudie80 Who cares. CO2 has nothing to do with the climate - find me the open-air experiment that proves this and you can have my car. Note: opern-air experiment, not a computer simulation. BTW Have you seen the % of CO2 that road vehicles emit compared with all other sources? You might be surprised just how small it is. Look it up.
Tony Griffiths I can buy an electric car unfortunately I’m not able to buy electric container ships and influence other polluting sources around our planet. I’m trying to do my bit. People who are ignorant and sit there and contribute more don’t help anyone do they.
Thanks Harry.. very detailed review. Got me to think twice about getting it.
Too top CZcamsr. Awesome honesty as ever Harry cheers!
PS I’m sure other might have commented, you can get Eco tarriffs at home as low as 4p /kWh so almost 1/3 a mile the cost of the already low cost per mile you mentioned 👍🏻👍🏻
Very interesting video and your views on the charging network was spot on and I hope somebody involved in it watches this.
I have a Tesla but using non Tesla chargers was really interesting 🙂👍
Fascinating film. Thank you Harry.
I'll stick to my good old (Jaguar) petrol driven internal combustion engine 😀
Really enjoyed this segment lots of interesting data. Would really like a similar piece on the pros and cons of car leasing
Excellent! Off to get the PHEV now thanks
Carwow did a great review on this and the other electric cars.
yass123 saw that. Not one of them, apart from
the Kia, got close to its advertised range.
Somewhat summarized that there are "Teslas" and then there are "EV's". Coming out of a BMW, I don't really seem excited about an EV, but I'm thrilled about a Tesla.
@@aussie2uGA How did you make that out? The Kia got closer to its advertised range percentually than the Tesla. Plus, look at the e-tron or the EQC's cabin and tell me, in all honesty, you'd rather have the Tesla's cabin over that. The materials are two steps up, and so is the build quality. I don't mind Tesla but come on, be objective about things like this. A fucking Kia beat all of them in terms of range in my book.
@@stefanpetrov8 Sush, Tesla cultists don't want to hear your perfectly rational arguments.
@Aussie2u - "Teslas and then there are EV's." Yes. If you just charge your EV at home only, and never venture further from home than half its range(!), you don't have to worry about the useless charging infrastructure; at which point you can buy a cheaper EV like the Kia, or a comfy e-Golf (both still expensive). If you intend to venture further, you have to get a Tesla (very expensive) and wait around at charging stations; get a PHEV (expensive), or continue using your old ICE car until you can't!
I had a Renault Zoe as a courtesy car a couple of weeks ago. Like you I found as soon as the speed increased and became consistent the range dropped significantly. I had 88 miles range to start and after 65 miles I had the - - - on the dash, I can confirm range anxiety was evident for the last mile or so until I got home.
Brilliant review Well done 👍
Great review, a big help - Thank You
That's where you understand that Tesla have understood everything with its massive network of Superchargers.
Thanks Harry, I've got high anxiety just from watching that ):
Same here, I'll give it 3 years or so before going electric.
I have a F-Type...I was expecting plenty of hoop jumping. 😁
Absolutely brilliant breakdown of the pros and cons not only on this particular car but also on ev’s in general. Spot on assessments, straightforward review without the biases, just honest, straight to the point, and very sensible actually. Love the review here; job well done. Can’t agree any more. This was a very accurate assessment. Around town is spot on. For longer trips use the Range Rover. Thank you, really enjoyed this one.
Great review Harry! Wow... I thought Europe in general was way ahead of the US on charging. That's a bit depressing. Here in Colorado fast charging is a bit few and very far between. Hopefully it will be built out soon, but without a way to charge at home it is way more of a pain than it is worth... your anxiety was palpable.
It has been twenty years between the day Jaguar built the XK8, a gorgeous car with timeless styling, a lovely V8, wood and leather on the inside, and the day they built this contraption.
Another great video by you, Harry, but the car world has gone entirely berserk.
Miss my XK8
@@iancrossley6637
It is the kind of car which (or even who?) makes one happy when thinking about it, let alone seeing or driving it. I cannot see any conceivable reason to sell ours; its upcoming historic registration may save it from the clutches of the fanatics.
Its hard not to off on a rambling rant because of social media warriors or the government hoping on the green washing bandwagon for votes when the infrastructure is years from being any kind of ready its the old story of cart before horse it can be fixed later at a number of times the cost of doing it right first
@@HMoyn215
Have my upvote
@@X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X Ps I do think the old 96 - 06 xk8 along with the x300 xj were some of jags best looking cars .
I’m with you on this Harry, I have a RRS p400e and my wife has a i3, exactly as you say plug in hybrid for long journeys all electric local
The charging network is a bad joke, as you said we don’t have to give name and address to buy petrol, all chargers should take contactless with no sign up
Good work
Michael
I have happily gone up and down between Reading and Edinburgh without any issues - in a Tesla. Basically you need a range of 250 miles plus and access to a decent charge network and EVs are great for long journeys. The instavolt, BP and Shell rapidchargers - which are rapidly appearing - are genuinely contactless unlike the nonsense from Ecotricity and Polar.
Excellent real life report.
Great video, lots of information, helping me to make up my mind.
Regards
Richard Herbert
The app wattsup is brilliant at finding chargers nearby, including giving you live statuses.
Zap map is a good one for a web page too.
Great honest review as always. I would like your take on the Tesla Model S or 3. Just to see if those are easier to live with.
fantastic video
Most informative video I've ever watched, thanks
hubnut had the same charging issues when he drove similar jag up through England to Scotland and back.....
They have to standardise the plugs by law. Imagine every petrol car having a different nozzle. Every petrol nozzle is the same. Every diesel nozzle is the same. End of story.
They did. It's CCS.
The problem is the payment systems used because they all want your data.
It's better in Europe, I have a shell badge that allows me to charge nearly everywhere.
I borrowed an EV for 2 months..I had sign up to 7 different apps to buy electricity.. why cant they take contactless
@@ZesPak the problem as you saw with Harry, is that historically in the UK you have your Type 1 J1772, Type 2 Mennekes, CCS, CHAdeMO, Commando, and finally your Tesla. Since the leaf was popular you have quite a lot of chargers that are half CCS and half CHAdeMO, which means 50% are useless to you and there is a much higher chance of turning up and finding the one you need is busy!
Quality video Harry. I'm so happy to see that you have a grumpy side when it comes to situations like the fragmented electric car charging network. Just like myself - however I don't think I'll be buying an £80,000 electric car that can only do 250 miles on a charge very soon unless I win the lottery. These cars are just way beyond the means of a medium income person like myself.
In the USA people do not buy vehicles without cup holders so through the years every manufacturer builds in many cup holders. With the event of the electric car it should be mandatory for one more holder ... a pill bottle for Alprazolam (Xanax). Your experience in London confirmed electric cars have a long way to go. Thanks, Harry.
"I did 200 miles an hour in my i-Pace!"
"At the Nurburgring??"
"No, at the charging station"
he hit warp speed in his fossil car tho! hahaha.. I subtract the 10's (1oo's?) of gas station journeys I don't have to do any more when I count up the trip charging time.
loooollll nice one
EXCELLENT!!!!!!
Zero range left on vehicle when entering garage?
Impeccable!
Very informative. Many thanks
Very informative video!
Hi Harry, this is my first video of yours that I've seen, and may I say that I thoroughly enjoyed it !
I drive a 6yr old 24kW Nissan Leaf, and I would love to have the sort of 'range anxiety' issues that your 200+ mile range gave you !
Yes, the requirement for apps is a pain, but obviously less so when you have signed up to the ones you might need (but thanks for putting me off Polar, btw !) - there is a network that uses Contactless, called 'Instavolt', who are generally pretty good.
The point to bear in mind with your trip though, is that unlike my old Leaf, your greater Range meant that you didn't actually 'need' to recharge, and even at the 100 miles per hour recharge rate, most people would only need to do such recharges a few times each year, rather than visits to a Petrol Station, a few times each month, with a carbon-fuelled car.
You literally can't buy a Car with a Battery as small as my Leaf's any more, and the greater the Battery Capacity, the fewer times you have to recharge to cover the same mileage.
One last thing, I understand that the new Mercedes Electric SUVs come pre-registered with the major charging networks, (certainly on mainland EU) allowing you to automatically use any convenient chargers (including Tesla (but don't quote me on that) - but that JLR have not bothered to do that, and left their customers to sort themselves out - with the result that you experienced ...
AKA 'It's the Customers fault for buying our Car'.
JLR REALLY need to sort this mess out.
Thanks again for the vid, have subscribed !
If my 24kwh had 200 Mile range I would have zero range anxiety. Just load the app before you set off
Nick C. Hi good sentiments on your comment though I disagree the issue is with Jag. Merc/BMW and Audi have equity stakes in certain charge companies hence the allegiance. The issue is the daft british Government and transport secretary not having the common sense to mandate all charge operators provide contactless payments!! It’s so blatantly obvious it’s sickening they haven’t done it yet. I live in Shanghai and EVERYTHING is done automatically via WeChat (a ubiquitous app like whatsapp, Apple Pay and Facebook combined). Makes the payment process seem less. Also most charges are online so you know which are faulty and full online. The government should mandate all charges be online. Again another open goal. Common UK🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Thanks Harry, was very close in buying an EV now I have second thoughts :)
Excellent real world review, I love Harry’s Garage. I reckon I would have really lost it faced with all those charging problems, it’s a disgrace just like the price. My gut told me it was to early for an EV so I bought a new diesel, got a great deal strangely, and I loved the bit about 12000 mile per hour charge rate, it sharpens you’re awareness about how much time you are going to waste waiting for bloody thing to charge in future.
harry i have given up now not ready for aggro of charging up on a journey back to the drawing board good work
Unfortunately my phone didn't make it all the way til the end and I had to go find a charger midway through.
Haha. Yeah I've woke up once or twice in the morning forgetting to plug in my CAR. Thank God for the supercharger network.
Can you please make sure you used a solar charger to charge it with ,and not plugged it into a wall socket with a coal burner power station supplying the electric
@@LOTPOR0402
Little UK electricity is generated via coal with only 5 coal stations. In many weeks none of them are operating at all. Coal supplied 2% of UK electricity in 2019, down from 30% in 2014. The largest station, Fiddler's Ferry, is closing next year. All will be decommissioned by 2025.
I don't like change comment.