Is 'The Red Pill' Helping Men?
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The *Red Pill* 💊 isn't for "helping"
It's for _enlightening_ , what you choose to _use it for_ is up to you.
People need to stop making this connection that isn't there. Never has been.
And most use it to cry about women and claim high value status for being average🤷♀️
@@armellebiampamba4257 see you have no idea what you are talking about, the red pill is simply dating strategies between men and women based on evolutionary psychology, I see no one crying but dudes coping thinking like dating works like in the romantic movies LOL keep coping dude
@@Threelegs94 Sir what dude is out here watching romantic movies to figure out how the real world works? And bettter yet what dude cries when tv turn out to not be reality? If anything I think it's more the ladies but I digress after Kevin Samuels the RP/Manosphere became full of bitter men crying about women they've never met while watching the OFs of the same girls they complain about. Nothing wrong with accepting reality but using false statistics like the 50% divorce and crying and complaining ain't getting you nowhere and far as I see it both men and women aren't benefiting from it
@@Threelegs94, most of the time when I see someone online claiming they’re red pill, they’re whining about how women behave. It’s unbecoming and not masculine at all.
@andrebaxter4023 most people just listen to 3 tiktoks and say they are red pill almost nobody studies anything BUT I would let those men whine about things tho, the same way women would complain about dating
I can honestly say,
I am 38 years old and the podcasts, real talk interviews from great men and some of the best thinkers of all time has changed me completely!
God I wish the internet was around when I was 16 years old!
At least I can pass this great knowledge onto my own boys!
Zuby, I am old and have traveled the world a bit. Met women in Europe, both ends of Asia, and Africa, all over the US as well. In 1990-92 I was engaged to a beautiful Arab woman, and I am a blue eyed 5'8 guy with German ancestry. Long story why we didn't marry, it was not left to us. She and I are still friends though. Its funny because she is the only one I met in a club, on my base in Germany. She was friends with the woman who was dating the guy across the hall from me.
I found hundreds, while looking for one. Overseas they were much better than the US. You cannot trust them in the US, because they can change their mind at any time and trade you in for cash and prizes. Doesn't matter how quality you are her happen to be, she can do that on a whim.
I did the thing. I did it the right way for a man, and it did not matter. Never cheated, never mistreated them, they had boundaries that were easy to stay within, and the second ex was definitely NOT pretty. I went with her because of who she was, not what she looked like... and 9 years in she did the same thing all the hot ones did.
Now if I were a 6'+ guy with a few million in the bank, I might have had different experiences.... except for all the wives of tall men who hit on me, short muscle bound gorilla looking me. They give me pause.
Women from islamic countries are top notch, I have to admit that. Europe is full of dregs, just like the US. Asia is full of wonderful people, and I have yet to meet someone from Africa I did not get along with.
Its the culture, because women are all pretty much running the same base programming, just like men are pretty much wired the same. The wrapper changes a lot more than the behavior and things that attract them does. The culture in the west encourages and rewards women for acting poorly, unlike Asia and Africa. Its not the culture we had when I was born 54 years ago, its the one we have been fed since around 1985 or so. Our culture has been subverted, undermined, infiltrated and only remnants remain.
Its the vapid, shallow, materialistic, disposable culture. The throw it away and get a new one mentality has permeated everything. Nobody wants to work at anything, they want instant gratification, and they want it all without effort or discipline. I see them as spoiled kids who were not told no enough when they were little. They are also dependents, relying on everything being brought to them in their cities, with no idea where it all comes from, or the work that goes into producing it.
Women are rewarded and encouraged to be that way, men are punished and told they need to be like women. Its perverse. Being polite or friendly to a woman makes her see you as weak in the US, its twisted.
If I had been able to marry my Arab friend 33 years ago, my life and most probably my views on this subject would be somewhat different. I would not know what happens to men who's wives decide they want to get his cash without having to live with him.
Some things you have to experience yourself to understand and know them.. like combat, and divorce... particularly frivolous divorce, because she thinks she can do better at 30 than she did at 21. She can't, but she is told she can, and that she deserves everything she wants.
your story is what millions of men have encountered and is the right antidote to what Zuby and his guest are selling.
@@impudentdomain I honestly think they do not know, because they have not been through divorce yet. Its like Zuby and his guest still think the government is trying to improve life for all of us, rather than trying to control all of us.
My issue is mainly with the laws, we can deal with female nature, but not with laws that encourage and reward the worst of their nature.
@@SweatyFatGuy exactly right
His first statement is false. In some parts of the USA you simply do not encounter good woman. The few that exist were already married fairly young.
Well THANK GOD someone's FINALLY discussing the destinction!!! It's about time! Let's hope the mindset catches on. Lord knows money is some people's diety.
The red pill is amoral, that’s red pill 101
I find it hard to accept your argument at 8:15. In the modern world there are simply not enough good choices available, YOU say, surely you can find one. But it isn't that easy. Women, especially are chameleons, they can appear great and can put up the act for a long time. But then they marry and change like night vs day. The real good advice you should be giving men in the west is to leave the west and go to someplace where women are more traditional and the laws still respect men.
If you were a man of substance you would be able to attract the right women. It's really that simple. Instead of running to Asia why not work on yourself and become someone worth dating?
@@jamescooke7243still comes down to physical attraction. You can have all the substance you want if they don’t like what you look like it’s not happening.
Also almost 100% of the time any good one you might unearth has already been found by someone else.
@@flch95 yea that's a reality people need to accept. It's very rare a 9 will date a 2. Date in your lane and you can still fall in love and have a happy healthy life together.
We will be here when jamescooke7243 is divorced, or is falsely accused of molesting a girl, or some type abuse, that is more common every minute, to then say do you still believe your comment?
Sorry, but anyone that's silly enough to think that its smarter to fish from a small polluted pond rather then a big clean one is not someone anyone should listen to!
@@flch95
I’m a female and I will say this, we care about looks just as much as men care about looks. I’m into health in fitness so I for sure want a man that cares about his health and fitness. If you start to workout and have a decent body and dress decent and smell good, and read a book or an article from time to time in order to have a more versatile conversation, you will attract women.
It’s crazy how he said find one because yesterday I said to myself “I have no problem attracting men, so I just need to be at the right place at the right time and I’m sure I’ll run into a good one” I’ve come across several men that are horrible but I’m not going to blame every guy and nope about it. I just need to continue up keeping my looks, travel and enjoy the life God has given me and I’ll eventually find one.
At 7:14. Maybe not lower your standards per se, but reevaluate your standards.
Being red pilled is good for all.
I thought "red pill" referred to exposing the lies in the world, the leftist/globalist movement and upholding more traditional values. Why is it now tied to the dating scene?? The dating scene these days is gross tbh
The term was popularised online about 15 years ago to refer to understanding gender dynamics and male/female nature. It's a Matrix reference so over time has been expanded to mean different things.
In my thinking that is what it is, your eyes are open and you realize that all you were taught was wrong, and that would include relationships but not exclusively.
@@ZubyMusicthe problem is that most guys will only ever be average and not high value. The same as most women, but the average woman has lost value and expects more from the average man. Then you have to factor in the men that were average but will never meet these new standards that average women have adopted. Being average should not be a bad thing. It’s not just about men knowing the situation, it’s women, also. And there are women that are taking notice.
yes! People have coopted the term and it's become more popular than the origin meaning which really makes you wonder.... to me this whole gender debate nonsense is a distraction to keep ppl fighting each other, a lot of people with lots of unhealed wounding projecting their resentments.
@@ZubyMusic concepts applied, are not expanded.
Zuby is the absolutely best
It doesnt help that all these online podcast seem to be based in LA, Miami or London. There not a good representation of the general public especially Miami that place is wild.
If you're looking to be coddled and reassured like an infant? It's harmful. Kids react very poorly to being disillusioned.
If you're looking for *sound advice to improve your life* like a grown-up? It's helpful. Adults need to be told about & understand how to deal with harsh realities.
exactly
This comment is rather ironic. Somebody said something you dissagree with about red pill content and your response was an emotional one where you attack the people that dissagree with you. This is not manly behavior, this is a weak emotional response because you lack the ability to control your own emotions.
If you keep following red pill content you will not grow as a man but you are more than welcome to try
@@jamescooke7243 and if you continue to be an insufferable scold with a superiority attitude people will rightfully label you an a-hole.
Good talk
This is very interesting thanks for sharing Zuby!
Has Zuby found one, easier said than done
Even kevin samuels said that Shaq the NBA player was not a high value man but Shaq the entrepreneur was. So athletes rappers and just being rich doesnt make you a high value man. They also talk about how the man is able to see other woman in marriage but none of them are married living that life.
This does apply to most men (even if the process of acquiring it and the results might not be worth it) but unattractive/mentally impaired men have it very rough.
Know yourselves gentlemen!
here's a bit of info for you... today roughly 90% of men are considered unattractive.
I always thought that the term "red pill" is about understanding gender differences, embracing masculinity, gender roles, and accepting reality for what it is and adapt. That's what got me into. But it seems to now change into something else which will potentially become harmful. I hope it doesn't continue going down this path and just stuck to its original roots.
no, red pill is about realizing the narrative you have been fed is erroneous at best. The original metaphor in the movie was about religion and the notion that government is there to benefit us rather than control us.
As with anything going against the ramblings of Karl M, his followers will infiltrate and run anything off the rails that disagrees with their narrative. Is SOP and they have captured the media, education apparatus, and now government is almost entirely under their control.
What Zuby and his guest are doing here is propping up the narrative that men are to blame, men are bad, and there is no fault with women at all. Be a better man they say...
Two 6'+ guys with lots of money telling us to be better men, while neither of them has ever been divorced or married, has no kids, was never separated from those kids, and that means they have no freakin clue what they are talking about.
They could be considered to be talking about themselves, the top 5% of men in the world with the most options when it comes to women. But the invisible 90% of men out there, yeah, these two have no clue what life is like for those guys.
I am between those two groups, I managed to get with lots of women over the years, and I never mistreated one, but they sure liked to mistreat me. They could do so with impunity, the cops never cared what they did to me, only if I touched them while they were doing it. I am 5'8, with pale blue eyes, which means I got them interested, but then they always wanted someone taller with more money or whatever.
I know what its like to be invisible to women, and I know what its like to be wanted by lots of women. Very few other men know what that is like, least of all Zuby and his friend.
leftist co option. What's a 'conservative' these days?
you are correct it depends on the people you listen to, most people have no idea what red pill is, they just go by what they heard somewhere else, just like the baldy dude that's talking in the interview.
I don't know which culture apart from Christian religion/culture that has a pure monogamy. So i don't know why y'all are hating on non monogamous types
Red Pill is like feminism, as long as you keep the original message, it is great. Everything else that comes out are just angry people who can't get over themselves.
Great comment👍
Wonderfully put.
no, effininisisism (I am not allowed to write it on here) was never a good thing. Its the same oppressor/oppressed ideology that gripped Russia from 1917 to 1991, and caused hundreds of millions of deaths in the last century.
Its class warfare but using men vs women, and it does neither any good. RP is NOT an ideology, it is realizing the ideology has been telling you lies, and removing yourself from it.
@Ironica82 The original message was men must sacrifice for their vote while women will have their vote handed to them for free.
@@SweatyFatGuyWell said, brother. You have a better handle on this. We know who is responsible for this Maoist radicalization.
True true true
Can't we just roll back our civilization so we can treat each other based on our characteristics like putting in the work to find and gather food. We are canned tuna at this point in time.
We can hold the Biggest sign up above us but even the woman don't understand their own dating habits.
Tis interesting how these types of folks only speak to moralism, which in itself appeals to self righteousness but don’t speak of how we need to follow Jesus example of these things.If he’s going to speak about spirits to follow,Why not the Holy Spirit.
Zuby is right 11:50 . More of the RP conversation needs to shift towards thinking about whether you as a man are capable of being a good husband, and whether the woman you are choosing is capable of being a good wife. And if the answers to both those questions is "yes" how to do you know this for certain? And what are the legal and financial risks if things go wrong? The Lead Attorney can answer all these questions. Please interview him, Zuby.
It DOESN'T MATTER if you are a good husband or not. Not even in the slightest, as it is not up to the man if he is going to stay married or not. He has no choice in the matter, also no choice to be in his kids lives, when the wife/mother decides she wants him gone.. for whatever reason.
Why would I say that? Because my first marriage proved it to me. I had zero rights, only responsibilities. Not only was I a good husband, I was a VERY good father. Despite working 50 to 70 hours every week, I still spent as much time with my kids as I could. I taught them to crawl, walk, ride bikes, had them running a PC at 3 years old, taught them shapes, colors, and even how to read before they turned 4. I taught them math, and critical thinking skills, how to ask the right questions, and I was starting to teach them how to discern BS from reality when she took off with them.
I never cheated on her, she cheated on me. I never harmed her, she cut, stabbed, and hit me with things. She lied about me in court and to everyone we knew. She started irrational fights and would escalate them until I had to defend myself or leave.
In 2001 she took my kids and moved 1500 miles away, preventing me from seeing and protecting them, and providing the guidance only fathers can give children. The state assisted her in keeping me from my kids. They were all too happy to help her bring random guys into their lives so they could do abhorrent things to my daughters.
I was punished for all of that, and had zero rights in family court. They had me sleeping in my car while on active duty in the US military because they only left me $100 a month to live on. They took 71% of my gross pay as child support, said I was unfit to be a parent because I was male and in the military. The fact she is bipolar and likes to hit the kids, and had bad people do bad things to them was irrelevant.
The messed up part of all of this? MY STORY IS NOT UNIQUE. It is UBIQUITOUS. The numbers change somewhat, but the story is played out the same over and over millions of times.
So yeah blame men for everything, and give women a pass who do the most abhorrent thing imaginable, keeping fathers from their kids and being unfaithful.
You want to know why men are not dating anymore? Its because we cannot trust women, and we know if we start a relationship with them the state can indenture us to her. She is rewarded for abhorrent behavior at our expense.
What man in his right mind would sign up for that? What is it now, 5.1 people out of 1000 are daft enough to get married... It is not you women who are opting out, you are all still chasing the same 5% of men, and blaming all of us for what they do.
So to all the harpies and harridans out there who feel its their right and entitlement to everything a man has earned and will ever earned, but feels no compulsion to treat him right, I say.. ENJOY BOXED WINE AND CAT LAND.
@@SweatyFatGuy You should do more content on your experience of long term marriage and the family courts. This type of red pill content is gaining popularity. I lost 70% of all my money and assets in my UK divorce, so I know what it is like to be financially screwed by the divorce courts. I think the biggest mistake men make is assuming their marriage will last forever. Men need to realize, she is not your girl, it is just your turn.
@@marriagecausesdivorce7540 I am going to use my locals for that, and maybe my rumble channel. I only do automotive, homesteading, and sustainability content on here.
The biggest mistake men make is assuming she isn't like that, and the state is going to treat them fairly when she is exactly like that.
@@SweatyFatGuy I think other big mistakes are assuming they will never get divorced (i.e. divorce only happens to other people), assuming she is in love (when she is really just in business and just trying to get kids and child support), and, I agree, assuming the family courts fair (when they are really extremely biased).
@@marriagecausesdivorce7540 that is exactly why men blame other men for divorces, why they don't think child support is a big deal, and why they don't do anything about it other than say divorced dads are the problem. They think it will never happen to them...
Like Steven Crowder.. who is finding out now what its like to go through family court and be blamed for everything..
dude please stop perpetrating this lie that the Red Pill is primarily, or even significantly connected to the stupid dating world. you know better than that. yes, it's a total mess right now. But redpill was way bigger and goes back way further than dating podcast grifters that haver no originality outside repeating the same script over and over
The 'red pill' term was popularised by Rollo Tomassi 10+ years ago and originally related entirely to understanding gender dynamics. Which includes dating and mating.
@@ZubyMusicred pill came from the matrix like 25 yrs ago 🤔
@@ZubyMusic ....dude it's from the Matrix...and a classic meme of the matrix. 10+ years ago is 10+ years into the conversation
@@ZubyMusichis point is that this recent evolution that's cancerous and off the ball is not what the ideology stemmed from. It's just finally been grifted/warped for the masses. A lot of OG "redpill" advice/talk is just about deprogramming what we as a society have told men about women and waking up to the reality of it. It's not some grandiose, "all women are ____" bs that it's become.
Even OG "redpillers" would tell young men to talk to older (50+) men about women, because these men largely no longer silence themselves or tell white lies.
@@Ronin969😂are you joking?
L degeneracy L hedonism, much respect for you Zuby👏🏾
Another talk I'll be sending my sons 😎 Thanks ❤️ from a 🇨🇦 mom
This is a great conversation and correct advice! Music to my ears and Thank you
Rather late for me I had to struggle through life to understand this but a 'gift' to those with ears to hear and hearts to understand...................................... Go well
To answer the question in the title, yes and no, the red pill can be harmful and can be helpful.
First, seeing the world as it is doesn't protect you from, and in fact might significantly factor into, anxiety, depression, apathy, nihilism, and everything related.
Second, seeing the world as it is doesn't mean you will draw correct conclusions from your observations. If you assume your truth will protect you from fallacious thinking, you have already fallen to it.
Seeing the world as it is is part and parcel to *realism* which is necessary in order to live an even somewhat balanced & healthy life.
It's important to remember that most people talking about redpill these days (both for or against) have no knowledge or memory on its origins and what it *really* was all about. They didn't even know it existed til things like F&F and Tate blew up. I don't excuse their ignorance, but I don't believe they understand what they're critiquing/pushing back on in its entirety. Zuby does an okay job at walking that line. Better than most, anyways.
@@bbbbbbb51 I'd be interested to know if your answer is to my comment directly, which, if so, would suggest that at least one of the two points I made would be addressed by the original red pill, though I don't quite see how.
The reason why most people (including me to a large extent) only know the current movement/ideas that came out of the original red pill is, I'd assume, that those new ideas after taking on the name (one might say, hijacking the name) became well-known by a few orders of magnitude more than the original red pill at this point.
Its best for some to ne delusional.
Sorry Zuby but the part where you describe normal couples and men aren't being left out was a strawman argument. Sure the red pill movement focuses on the 1%, but to say female hegemony doesn't exist because you see average couples on the street is false. Throughout history only 1:2 men procreate, about 40% are left on the shelf, throughout time, not just the present. That's the point they are making. It's not some Disney fairy tale where there is 1 women for every man.
I am going to assume Zuby doesn't have a university degree or higher education. He never mentioned anything related to the fact those types of women he described at the beginning aren't usually well educated. Or he knows that but he's catering to this demographics