But that's their opinion, right? Everyone that loves Monsta X does not hate bts, but they are allowed to love them more. Just like army loves bts more than anyone else and think they're better than the rest of the world, right?
Just cause you think bts is the best donât mean their the best, mediocrity is mainstream now, you donât need talent anymore to make it as a successful musician these days and thatâs just facts, bts went mainstream internationally doesnât mean their any better than any other male Koop group though their good but their not the best
"it's not the toxic fans that are too loud, it's the good fans that are too quiet" as much as i understand the importance of holding others accountable, there are people like me who aren't active on social media (i don't have twitter or instagram) and simply want to enjoy the music... most of the time i'm not even aware of what goes down between fandoms or what kpop stans post online. it angers me that this behavior gives kpop a bad name, but i don't have the energy to be so involved in this shit. i have a full-time job, i don't stream, i don't care about the "community", i'm just here to appreciate the artistry.
Saaame! People say âARMYs are so toxic this and thatâ but how am I holding these toxic fans accountable if I donât really interact with them? Iâm literally in the good side of the fandom doing charities projects and living my best life lol
Exactly, it's just a problem when popular fandoms hype their faves, like we didn't keep the other stans from hyping their faves and lock them in the dungeon, did we?
When you said Mina and Jimin I thought your were talking about Mina from twice and Jimin from Bts and I was so lost until you said bring men to the dorm
As a fellow â97 baby, I can attest to the fact that Jungkook changing is not only okay, but it was inevitable. He basically debuted when we were fetuses. Weâre grown adults now (scary, isnât it?). None of us should be expected to remain the same from 15 -> 24.
@@everglowup yup that's why it's called POP as in it's POPular. They take the most popular elements of a song and combine them all in together. They also take the most popular things on the business side and cram it all into the promotion. It's whatevers popular.
Kpop is generic if you only listen BTS and Blackpink bc kpop actually is really diverse and a mix of different genres, Try it listen to F(x), Loona, Shinee, Red Velvet, Shinhwa or soloist like BoA, Gain or IU. they have many different songs and a rich discography.
I hate it when people say the idols that come from the big 3 doesn't deserve the hype and are only privileged. Yes, they're privileged but they don't know how hard it is to pass the standards of a very successful company. They wouldn't debut if they don't deserve it. Many idols waste their education and childhood in hopes of debuting. They didn't debut just to get shit on for passing the high expectations of the biggest companies.
@@naega_jeil_jal_naga9852 weâre talking not talk about whatâs harder debuting from a big3 company or debuting from a small company weâre talk and how people discredit idols form big3 companies calling them âoverratedâ, âoverhypedâ, âprivilegedâ
i disagree re: 4th gen bgs, txt is the most refreshing thing to be put out by the bg market in the 4th gen and they especially impressed me with blue hour
Unpopular opinion but txt's rock punk concept is Wayyyy better than their bubblegum pop concept. I don't hate it but I'm not the biggest fan of their bubblegum pop sound, their rock concept is making me a moa. Blue hour bored me BUT lovesong, lo$er=lover and anti- romantic are the real shit Also txt cussing is my religion đ
I agree with her. I was really impressed my TXT Eternals MV (low-key though it was a small story skit), but when I was motivated into looking into their discography I found them very boring. I just think their music isn't for everyone.
alot of stays that i talked with about the controversy even admitted to finding him ugly and paying less attention to him or finding him sketchy and creepy. which isnât a problem to find a member unattractive or only give certain attention to your biases, as long as your not rubbing it in peopleâs faceâs and writing it everywhere. at this point, youâre just being a hypocrite and bullying the man for things he cannot control.
That's why idols have to act, they have to have a persona now, need to get work on their face, they just have to. Despite everything saying things like natural is best, real, blah blah, people are just like that
The aggressive âstan loonaâ marketing done by orbits helped to gain the girls a lot of recognition, though, which I think was the main point of it all. Theyâre from a smaller company and have a lot of members so they arenât exactly easy to break into the market. The aggressive campaigning done by stans did them a lot of favors in that regard, though it did recruit a higher ratio of toxic individuals than would have happened otherwise.
Idols are screwing like everyone else. I'm actually highly convinced that the whole Tasty in Busan thing was about jungkook losing his virginity. For those of you who don't know about it, a fan meeting jhope asked the fans what's tasty in busan. Jungkook then whispered something into jhope's ear which made him (jungkook) laugh and slap the table and jhope said he's wierd and that he can't tell the fans what he said. Jungkook then told jimin what he said and jimin's reaction was "everyone, jungkook has become an adult" and the fans started screaming What else could that possibly mean? People, mostly men, usually consider losing one's virginity as a sign of becoming an adult or a "real man". Also, when the fans asked jimin to elaborate he said "it's exactly what you're thinking." There's doubt in my mind that if what jungkook was talking about isn't about his virginity then it was something just as lewd.
â@@mlpmlpmlpmlp1 If he was only 17 or 18, then it's very unlikely for him to lost virginity at that age. Let me explain. Korea is still a VERY conservative and sexually oppressive country for WOMEN and GIRLS. Girls under or around 18 years old (even into early 20s) who have sex will 100% get slut-shamed by a lot of people around them, maybe even their own parents. Losing virginity for a young girl/woman is basically still a taboo. And what does that mean for teenage boys? It means that most of them aren't having sex either (unless with other boys lol). Some may say "Oh but of course girls can just do it in secret. Just don't let people find out." But it's not that simple. The slut-shaming is something that's deeply internalised in most Korean and East Asian girls' minds. They technically can do it in secret, but they won't. Because they also believe that they will be sluts if they lose their virginity. I'm not joking. And it's actually very sad. Do young boys/men like JK know about this slut-shaming culture? Duh. Everyone knows. So they know that if they have sex with a young girl around their age (e.g. a female classmate), they would have "destroyed" her "honour" (for lack of a better word) and that it would bring disaster for her if others find out. Again, I am NOT exaggerating. It is actually a very serious thing. Sex work is also illegal in South Korea. There are (illegal) red-light districts, but the chance of a famous idol like JK (and who's only around 18 years old) actively going to ILLEGAL red-light districts? That's actually a very dangerous and stupid thing to do. JK is more cautious than that. C'mon. Dispatch would absolutely DESTROY him if he did that. Dispatch is everywhere...... So what is the only other relatively safe/legal/won't-destroy-a-girl's-reputation option for a young guy like JK? Yeah......it is doing it with a much older woman. And...it's not a very good option. It's kinda creepy. It's definitely very creepy. I just don't think JK would do that. And I personally just want young boys to do it with young girls. I don't like huge age gaps. Btw relationship/sex with a huge age gap is also a taboo thing in SK. In summary (god i love my essaywriting talents...haha...), this is why I don't think young male idols around 18 years old are just having sex and living their best lives. Sorry for making this discussion so heavy. But sex is actually a pretty heavy thing in East Asia. I don't like that. It is oppression and I hate it so damn much. But it still exists unfortunately. But I'm not speculating anything about the current BTS. They're all approaching 30. JK is around 25. They're adults and they can be doing anything they want. They can even date much older women now. I don't care. I think JK likes noonas anyway LOL
TXT is the only diverse bg i have seen in that can do just like any concept when every boygroup is doing dark concept they really did the crop top Blue HOur
@Estela Lopez well i always appreciate and love BigHit producers and the work they present and btw TXT were also involved in the music production,composition,writing processes so .....i give credit to everyone
the fact that people think big 3 idols don't have talent is so stupid.. i am a kpop fan since 5-6 years and i mostly stan SM groups for eg. EXO,NCT,SHINee,SNSD,suju,f(x) and now aespa... i feel that EXO and NCT have such unique concepts. the songs can be a little similar but not too much.. EXO's concepts about EXO planet and NCT being a group with unlimited member is totally unique.. and now aespa, with the AI which is unique and new but a little unnecessary..Baekhyun, Chen, Kyungsoo's vocals are the best and Chanyeol's rap is epic and Kai and Sehun's dancing skills are one point.. and now SuperM.. AND CAN WE TAKE A MOMENT TO HAIL THE KING LEE TAEMIN!! that man ruled over kpop for 3 generations.. 2nd gen with SHINee, 3rd gen as a solo artist and 4th gen with SuperM.. and tbh i really love BTS but i get really mad because of ARMYs.. they can be extremely annoying.. they trash-talk about other groups which are equally talented or maybe more... and there are people who will do everything in their will to force you to stan their favs.. like sis, calm your sh*t.. hope you arent offended by this but i kind of dont agree with MONSTA X being the best 3rd gen bg.. they are good but i dont think the best.. this is just my opinion... i'm actually a huge EXO-L but i appreciate every idol who is blessed with talent.. i hope you guys have heard Baekhyun's Amusement Park, it is a beautiful song with beautiful lyrics.. xoxo
Thank you so much for sharing your opinion! I am not even offended at all, in fact I respect you for stating them even if they are contrary to mine... đčđ
It wasn't about all stays but a lot. They even admit it and some were ot8 long before he left. Of course there's stays that love/loved him or he wouldn't have many supporters now
I know what you mean and also doesn't apply to me. He was the first I could tell apart and match face/name. His smile, chicken love and "I can move my hair" skills did the work. đ»đđ And since my persona isn't allowed to have favouritism among them.
@@montealegrejildanielledl.4374 i mean you shouldnât have been hurt or offended since you know your not one of those people. she even clarified who she was talking about so if people who actually liked woojin got offended by that then theyâre probably one of the people that she was talking aboutđ
Time Stamps KPOP UNIVERSE 1:42 STAYS never liked Woojin 5:26 ARMY is threatened by Monsta X 8:37 Toxic ARMY is the same as toxic BLINK 10:01 Second Gen was generic 11:48 Not Claiming toxic fans is BS! 14:42 BIG THREE idols ARE talented 16:04 Idols don't need to be "educated" 18:56 Idols are having SEX! 20:15 Underrated idol fans need to STFU! 22:47 Not all idols are depressed GROUPS 24:05 Everglow is better than ITZY 25:50 Fourth Gen boy groups SUCK 27:59 Monsta X was the best third gen boy group 30:05 LOONA isn't it IDOLS 31:18 Jungkook changed and that's fine 35:16 Wonho leaving Monsta X didn't affect them that much 37:07 Mina is manipulating the fan's sympathy Thanks
ARMY here I had no idea and shock that ARMY fandom troll Monta X english song. BTS had gone through that same pain how could they forget that. And thank you for that information.
I have to agree woojins part. He was so hated and now everyone feels sorry for hyunjin . Maybe bc he was most popular in the group? Sorry but thats not fair
Favoritism. I freaking love Hyunjin and Woojin, but the difference on how both situations were treated is soo clear. Now of course Hyunjin got hate here and there about the rumors but in Woojinâs case it was massive and toxic fans kept pushing that narrative about him bullying the members and it was just insane. Hyunjin is the most popular member in the group and favored by lots of fans including myself. Heâs going to have more supporters by his side than Woojin did.
i think woojin was pretty unpopular ... usually whenever there's a scandal, fans start defending their idols but with woojin everybody straight out cast him out and accused him
Yeah I don't think so. I don't like blackpink's music for example, but I that just means that it's not my taste not that the songs are bad, it's still good music. You can just say: I don't like it because it's not my taste or I'm more into that. I don't think it is necessary to call an artist bad or generic just because you don't like their music. No hate just some suggestions what you could say instead to prevent fanwars :)
I seriously get so mad when people say that woojin was abusing his members. ALL OF THE "PROOF" THEY HAVE ARE MANIPULATED VIDEOS LIKE THE VIDEOS ARE MADE TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD ALL OF VIDEOS ARE CLIPS FROM DIFFERENT VIDEOS TAKEN OUT OF CONTENT. FIRST OF ALL THE VIDEO WHERE PEOPLE SAY HE HURT FELIX IS....I CAN'T....THEY WHERE PLAYING A GOT DAMN GAME AND HE FELL DOWN ON A BENCH AND IT HURT JEEZ. Second of all there are so many videos where they are having fun and they are hugging and nothing is wrong. Y'ALL JUST NEVER LIKED HIM BUT STOPPPPP TRYING TO MAKE UP FAKE RUMORS THANK YOU
About the 1st one: I agree.... I became a stay after god's menu so i didn't know much about woojin at first. i looked back at some of their older videos and the members seem to get along fine i don't get the 'woojin bullied them' stuff. Woojin was really talented its sad that his career got ruined by those fake allegations.
Are we living the same life cause omg I became a stay during Gods Menu and I checked out their old content with Woojin and I enjoyed it tbh. When the rumors came out I stayed neutral and Iâm glad I did. I support skz and woojin as a soloist and Iâm proud that heâs still focusing on his dream even after the massive hate heâs gotten.
I totally agree with the Mina opinion like I know people who have narcissistic traits in real life who do attention seeking things like this. Iâm not saying Mina is a narcissist but I followed her Instagram after the scandal and my feed was clogged with her posting and writing sob stories to the point where I had to unfollow her. I couldnât handle the unnecessary negativity Also with the 4th gen boy group one, just because you donât like something doesnât mean it sucks okay? They have millions of fans for a reason. Just sayin
Thank you for mentioning about those maknae line stans. I was so frustrated with them. Everywhere I go, I just find so many people praising only Jimin, Taehyung and Jungkook like Jin, J-hope, RM and Suga don't exist. Like seriously? I am just so done with these so called 'fans'. When you mentioned them, I shouted so loud. You just spoke my mind aloud. Thank you.
And theyâre so hypocritical, like I told a V biased âfriendâ of mine that my mom (lol) biases J Hope and Jungkook, and they sarcastically said, âOf course she stans Jungkook, heâs so popularâ .. Then I reminded them that they bias V, and they shut up. đ€·đ»ââïžđ€·đ»ââïžđ€·đ»ââïž
And to your point, there literally wouldnât be BTS songs without Hyung Line, like did they forget who composes, produces, and writes the majority of the groupâs songs ?? đŹđŹ
Sis you SNAPPED! I agree with a lot of your opinions (esp with the âwe dont claim themâ part, i FELT that) i cant believe I only discovered you now! One thing I dont agree with but i completely respect is your stan loona bit. I personally like their discography. I stan a lot of groups and theirs and RVs are the only ggs i can listen to without skipping. Though i get what you mean. They arent the conventional kpop sound u just wanna dance to, but for some reason Im drawn to their sound. Its very subdued but still cohesive. Also their debut concept was really ambitious but I guess it doesnt matter if you only discover them after the project is over. Also also, I love good choreo so im also biased. But honestly, the orbits being all up i your grill can get extremely annoying so im really not surprised that people dont stan for that as well. At the end of the day its all up to preference and I totally admire how youre firm with your opinions. U gained a new subscriber â€ïžâ€ïž
Unpopular opinion: international fans and east asian fans have a completely different mindset For example, shipping idols As what i observed, fans who are shipping male idols and female idols are 99.9% international fans That shipping thing is purely disgusting so i really hope shippers stop (for international i meant those who are not from east asia)
Honestly? I think the fetishization of east asians plays a big role in that. I get if that's uncomfortable to hear/acknowledge and I'm also quite positive most of them aren't aware how that usually is a subconscious thing. So like, check yourself. I know I did. (Not you j j, you're prob cool. Probably...)
are u sure? shipping same sex relationship was already popular in east asia wayyyy before gay marriage was allowed in US. those kinda thing already in conversation of my friend group since 2008. I was anime and manga fans back in the day and same sex shipping is much much more popular than straight shipping. same with my friends who is 2nd gen kpop stans eventhough gay marriage isn't acceptable, same sex shipping already a mainstream pop culture there since a long time ago
There is no way this is accurate. I'm literally in Texas and have had so much hate from Koreans who ship idols for calling out their behavior. It's disgusting imo and I have been told that "it's normal to ship idols in Korea" and that I have no idea because I'm an international fan and I should just keep my opinions to myself because it's insulting to Korean shippers.
I'm glad I'm not on Twitter lol. Honestly Monsta X became my favorite group easily once I started actually checking out their discography and seeing how much they are involved in making thier own stuff (I feel like it's rare esp. in k-pop). Also Jooheon (and I.M) are such crazy all-rounders. I feel bad in a way that not many people take the time to fully check them out bc their concepts can come of as repetetive or generic (their MV's definetly are but they literally do so much, it just always has their style... that in itself in another discussion like, is a group better just because they sing to vastly different concepts?) but I also feel like that's a big part of why Monbebe is over-all a less "toxic" fandom than most others. I feel like most monbebe really spend time into this group and learning about the members and stuff. Also (correct me if I'm wrong) they are literally the only idols I have seen to ever actually adress LGBTQ+ directly and speak about misogony + share stuff about their health so freely. IDK what this comment is supposed to be, I just wanted to show some appreciation to those guys. Also I feel like I can openly talk about things they did wrong without Monbebe defending them to death.
@@KiwiNCTiny127 I tried it before but I lost track so quickly, bc I was only active for like once every 2 months lol. But like why is it so much more "toxic" than other apps?
I might agree with the "educating idols rant" but I do have some thoughts. It's expecting a lot to believe a Korean barely out of high school who's whole life was spent in a dance practice room to know every little thing about some other countries cultures. Yes, I get it. As time goes on, it seems impossible for idols not to know certain things. But on the other hand, the West isn't the center of the universe, and certainly isn't in Asia. So expecting them to share our believes and ideals is, ironically enough, problematic. Should they know better? Probably, if they're after reaching an international market, but I can cut the 20 year old who's on a Kale diet and got 2 hours of sleep some slack when they forget some obscure cultural fact about some country they'll probably never see. This biggest issue in the West is that we think our local issues are global ones, and they SO are not. So if we're choosing enjoy foreign content for entertainment purposes, we should keep in mind it comes from a different culture and shouldn't expect for it to conform to ours. Idol won't know everything that may offend us, and given their main audience isn't the west anyway, I don't think they're too worried about upsetting some rando in the US. We don't pay them, we're not the demographic, we're just the cherry on top.
THANK YOU this thing "they should know better" comes from a ethnocentric point of view, in my case I'm from Argentina a country where we barely learn about racism, how should a I know something that I never heard for example the aave. And I didn't know about it until a became tw stan so how do I expect idols to be educated when me being from the same continent I'm not.
All I am saying is if countless idols have been dragged and cancelled on social media for this behavior, other idols have the time to educate themselves on it. They don't need highschool or college, they are in real time right now with the internet. If they can see the backlash happening to other idols I bet you they can do a quick Google search. Idols have the capacity to educate themselves, no excuses for that. Saying that idols don't know everything that will offend us while they see other idols getting called out and cancelled for the same things over and over again is bullshit imo đ€·đŸââïž
@@jaeminista2277 yeah my friends (20 years old) didnât even know that the n-word was offensive, they thought it just meant âblack personâ. they are big fans of idols, but donât know that some of them got backlash for saying the n-word. in my country, we donât get education about racism, and itâs so rarely talked about unless you went to the top international private schools. itâs so annoying when westerners think theyâre the center of the world.
@@cici1474 samee im 19 from an southeast asian country n i didn't know that the n word was offensive until recently when the issue was brought up in a fandom scheme dude i literally don't know that this is a thing like really im not a racist but no lie, i genuinely dont know and most of my friends from my country didn't know too it's weird to expect everyone from different backgrounds to know every little thing about what would make a person from different country n culture upset because im pretty much sure these westerners didn't know what're the things that would make people from my country upset either if they want us to educate ourselves then they can start educate themselves about all cultures from every country too, even the smallest country ever they have to know too bcs tHeY sHouLd hAvE kNowN bEtTeR n ThEy NeEd tO eDucAtE tHemSelVes it have to go both ways, not just us educating ourselves with them doin nothin, u know im not spreading hate, just sayin. Y'all, listen to outsider's (non western) perspective too, *remember* communication have to go both ways.
But do you realistically think these idols will âeducateâ themselves on issues that again they have no real connection to. Most of them (more likely their teams) slap an apology together and keep it pushing for optics and most likely never talk about it again. If they barely have time to apologize for minor indiscretions, do you think they will go Google the nuances of cultural appropriation or just say that they are a fan of black culture and call it day. Like I think the reality and the expectation for an industry/system that isnât structured on âeducatingâ idols should be revisited. These incidents will continue to happen because the cancelling and dragging are not so much effective for us as they are for the industry heads bank accounts. They donât really pay attention to foreign outrage, not unless itâs related to China or Japan because they take priority, US, and the minorities within the US are after thoughts. Donât assume they will instantly change or even begin to fully understand that they can change their racial biases or cultural insensitivity overnight. That takes time, and unlearning what their entire industry is built on and ingrained in some of them. Most Americans donât get it right today, what makes you think they will? They definitely still need to be held accountable, but I think the knetz need to be the oneâs who do. They clearly have more time on their hands. Remember we are still the minority in their world. Of course fatou would get hate, sheâs in their country, it would just be random for her to disrespect them.
I'm an ARMY myself and like Seriously wtf is wrong with the rest of the fandom? monstaX is so good i mean why will you hate them for releasing an English album? wtf i hate it when other ARMYs shove BTS's success on other's face.
Nahh bestie we don't really care about other fandoms and there are many other fandoms whom we are friends with like Moa, buddy, Aroha, once, engene, carats etc. and this is coming from a multistan so dont assume shit
@@holywater3976 woah there, it seems this comment somewhat struck a nerve and what they said is so true. If youâre not those fans then great thereâs no need to feel offended about it.
I'm a ARMY and I love BTS but I see alot of Toxic fans on the internet basically flexing that bts will always be more successful than other groups will ever be especially when I see Armys bring in fandoms like blinks like they are literally wasting their time writing something on another fandom they are going to get hate on.
omg yesssss the everglow >> itzy thingâs so true (TwT) iâm so happy how u brought up how diverse everglowâs b-sides are cuz like omfg people be out here saying everglowâs songs are all just noise like omfg most of their b-sides are literally title track worthy and theyâre much better than actual title tracks by other groups sksksjsk
People be throwing "noise" around to critique artists... I listen to a lot of electronic music like house, techno, trance etc and apparently that's just noise lol. If you don't like it just uhm don't listen? Everglow is def not noise imo
Imagine, criticizing other kpop groups for doing English songs or albums and taking BTS statements or past interviews as bible, only for your own bias group to show up and expose your hypocrisy and then still doubling down. DICTIONARY DEFINITION: CLOWN FOOLERY
My unpopular opinion : BTS donating for BLM was just another business tactic...cause considering their past....they apologized and yet they kept doing/saying offensive things and now that they are popular in the west...they knew that if they didn't do anything about it then they would loose fanbase cause they have a lot of fans in America...
@@everglowup Not to be rude but imagine them not donating!!!! they would have been cancelled by a lot of American fans....they donated 1M $ now they might get worth 5M$ return as profits ....and if any other K-pop gp had donated....maybe no one would have at all noticed or acknowledged it as much....as for them changing....I don't think they really changed but they became more careful with their words and have become better at hiding.....this is no hate though but I only want armys to not worship them GODs...the way I see on twitter.
@Life_ _is_hard When Monsta X donated they didn't say anything and they were already getting cancelled so imagine BTS đ they would have been destroyed on Twitter.
@@everglowup OOO i didn't even know MonstaX donated...so i see that they didn't get the same response and praise as BTS did cause i didn't see one article about it...anyway good that they are aware..
Yeah, I am still working on a detailed video on that including information about the OP and their lies. Just give me some time. Thanks again for watching â€
@@jyotisinha5244 there is solid proof from woojin's side. We have tracked the first op like the one who started all that. Not only the first op but even all the victims who claimed to be beaten, harrassed, impregnated. Everything has been proved to be false allegations. Not only those victims, but even the staff who started the bullying accusations was tracked to be from the eastern time zone, western hemisphere (not korea). but forget about solid, there is not a single evidence from the fake victim (obviously cause it never existed). and yeah, 10x debunked the second op too by showing the cctv and his alibi of him not going out to bar that day it mentioned so you can't really say there is no evidence from his side.
@@lydsiaaalidiyaaa191 that's great but sadly if there will be no official post from the company itself about those false accusations, he is still on the danger line and many will still not believe his innocence. If he wants a good and secure career, the company needs to hold the accusers accountable and release a public report Abt the ones who are guilty. I hope the company is not waiting for the public to forget this incident, because that's pure cownery
When you started to talk about TXT i was literally the definition of âjust smile and listenâ đ no cause like TXT is like one of the most diverse groups out there, they pull off every concept, all rounders, and to me theyâre literally IT. But you do you!
yeah dunno why she didn't mention them, their songs are mazing and same to their choreos and they are currently the most achieving 4th generation group, except digitally but not everyone's opinion is different
The âJungkook has changedâ thing is definitely fetishization. I also think this is gonna be a reacquiring thing. When people see a child grow up in the public, people start to act weird when they realize the child they once knew is not a child anymore. I remember reading another comment on this video that mentioned Miley Cyrus and it brought up so much anger I had. I use to see so many comments during Mileyâs Wrecking Ball era. Comments like âwhat happened to the Hannah Montana Mileyâ or âI want the Hannah Montana Miley backâ. I would read those comments and think to myself yâall do realize that Miley was like 12 or 13 at that time. I feel like this is whatâs happening with Jungkook. Itâs the fetishization of wanted to keep him as the same 15/16 year boy he was when BTS first started. Another thing people tend to forget is young Jungkook mentioned getting tattoos on American Hustle Life.
lmao tbh u r right stays never like woojin in the first place lol . and i think he suit as soloist better than in group :/ maybe the reason why he always got least line cuz skz song is more with rap and edm drop i guess ? like han and chan always got line since they can do both of it .
As an Orbit I agree. I have drifted away from other Orbits. They started to become overbearing. I miss when we were just joking about it but people took it too far. Now people only see Loona as a joke. We can't expect everyone to feel the same about Loona. Loona used to be amazing and everything to me. I still feel they have an amazing predebut project and that their story is amazing but I have drifted apart over time. It makes me sad but its the truth. Loona will always have a place in my heart but the fandom is in shambles.
i personally think LOONA has one of the most diverse discography among 4th gen groups. also i think they have the best discography. the members are all rounders tbh. i canât believe some of you let fans get in the way of the groups lol
Keep your lol to yourself fam. LOONA as a group is already pretty boring and you top them off with an extremely unpleasant fanbase; who the heck in their right minds would want to stan them to be in such an environment? You literally said u loving their discography was personal, so why're u turning around to say u can't understand why others don't wanna stan?
Nr.1 rule for me is to actually look into k pop groups b side before judging their entire concept/discography. Loona has so many R&B b-sides that would be more appreciated if those were their title tracks.
I became a stay from jan 2020 ....i guess and what you said was quite right. I don't hate him but he was never my bias in skz. All the other members have became my bias and bias wreaker , idk probably i didn't liked him cause he was not a member when i started stanning skz. But i saw older stays were crying and saying that they miss woojin , so i thought " yeah , i respect him as he was a former member " . I was neutral to the woojin situation especially when more info came about him being innocent.
Agreed seriously why can the fandoms just be respectful towards each other on social media and just support other incredibly talented groups not just their Faves
edit/note: im a stay since my pace woojin was always the least popular dollowed by maybe seungmin. nobody really ever straight forward talked about it, stays packed it as a "hes most underrated" but the truth is, hes the member that got least love and a lot of stays didnt care. he has different visuals a different vocal tone but he is very talented. it kind of makes a lot of sense that he would get the most hate and that some stays could not care LESS to spread fake rumours. not even speaking of the 1st victim but there were SO many fake victims and stories taht even came out tHEMSELVES saying that they were lying. it really shows that stays waited to finally have something to hate about him openly. yet those stays complain about people hating on their faves. stays think mnet does evil editing but who is calling out the stays who did evil editing themselves?
OOH LAST PART GOT ME CAUSE ITS SO TRUE. The heavy editing and out of context clips those stays used to make Woojin look bad, my goodness it had so many people fooled that some stays use it as âproof.â Itâs ridiculous. Iâm a stay and cub and itâs so annoying how this situation is still being dragged on. I mean literally yesterday on twitter there was a bunch of stays still having something to say about him like leave him alone already.
This is so unrelated, but Jisoo's hair is gorgeous. I was sucked up by her fancam with the black top and the mustard skirt. That hair and her pretty face are hypnotic.
The way you talked about txt made me realize that you havenât looked into them at all, and Iâm not saying that you have to like their music, but they are definitely different from other bg in their generation. You totally pushed back their talent and focused on how âclicheâ their songs are. They are definitely one of the best bg in their generation and their b-sides are amazing as well.
Nope. I think it's her opinion and she has a right to it. Besides being a talented singer doesn't mean your actual songs will be enjoyable for some people to listen to. Besides, I've personally looked into TXT and I also find them very boring.
30:30 I'm disappointed :(( You know that loona makes music too right?? lmao but that opinion kind of irked me, and I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible when I say that they have a really diverse discography. 74 songs. 74 songs and you didn't like a single one? It's okay if they're just not your taste and you wouldn't go out of your way to listen to them, but saying that it's lackluster or "not giving what we say it's giving" is kind of unfair. But I'm not gonna beat you into stanning loona, but I want to suggest some life changing tracks that might sway your opinion 1. Sweet Crazy Love - trust me on this it's a banger 2. Hide & Seek - upbeat and fun 3. D-1 - has a really unique sound that I haven't heard in kpop a lot 4. Stylish - if you like everglow you'll probably like this it's in the same vein. The vocals in this are IMMACULATE 5. Where u at - I had to throw a ballad in here
I agree with everything you said except the "we don't claim them" part. Which is my opinion, but it's definitely not something we say just because we don't want to hold them accountable or because we think they will change by saying that. We don't mean it as in "please, don't hold our toxic fans accountable" either. We mean it as in hold them accountable, do whatever you want and say whatever you want to them because we want nothing to do with them. We choose not to focus on them because that will do nothing but create more toxicity as you said that nothing will change in their mindset. By "we don't claim them", we mean that we don't believe they're truly a part of loving a group and appreciating a group in a healthy way. At least, that's what most people I talked to meant when they said 'we don't claim them'. At the same time, we don't want people to look at them and use their stupidity as a reason to say a fandom is toxic and there's no upside to that fandom. All fandoms are toxic. The intensity of it varies on the popularity of a group. The more fans you have, the more toxicity you have. And that is something you cannot eliminate or help when it comes to people. But there are also fans who appreciate an idol and love an idol and are healthy towards the idols of the k-pop industry and are overall wonderful people that help others on a daily basis and their love is contagious to other fans and on and on. And I know that should be the norm, but I feel like healthy, loving, wonderful fans aren't as much mentioned as toxic ones. It's like seeing a movie and mentioning only the stars of it. Of course not. You have a bunch of unsung heroes behind it who help on a daily basis. It's not just the toxic fans. Of course, that's my opinion. And your opinion is 100% appreciated and respected!
đź I was so shook with the Loona opinion. They have my favorite discography. I recommend their music if you like ethereal pop music. I also like the old school pop vibes that a lot of their pre-debut songs had. My favorite songs are Sweet Crazy Love, Puzzle, and Eclipse. I think they have a really unique vibe and I also like groups that have lore and a story line which Loona has. Those are some reasons why I love the group so much.
Monsta x and stray kids brought me into kpop this year. I was avoiding kpop for obvious reasons, I won't state what actually. But I listened both the groups on the same day and I was like I am gonna listen to these both groups from now on.
11:48 - I've been saying this since I got into Kpop. Also, the whole "the fandom shouldn't deter you from stanning an idol" mindset is toxic. I want to participate in wider fandom activities without the fear of being threatened, attacked, or doxxed if I upset *that* portion of the fandom by saying something they deem wrong.
1. I only started to pay attention to SKZ after god's menu, even if I had listened to other songs like hellevator or double knot, and even then I could realize that not many people liked him đŹmost got over his departure really quick lmao. After watching video updates on Woojin's situation, I'm considering giving his music a chance đ€ 2. Do people really say that idols that come from one of the Big 3 aren't talented? Have they ever listened to SM's singers? YG's rappers and producers? JYP's singers and dancers? Come the f on! Yeah, they have privilege, but that doesn't make them any less talented or hardworking. 3. May I recommend DONGKIZ? they're a 4th gen group and their music is very... Specific? When I listened to Lupin by them I was shook đł they have like less than ten songs bc they come from a small agency but from my pov they have niceeee producers behind them. I didn't like their last comeback as much as Lupin but I'm definitely still interested. 4. My thoughts on Loona: the one song I would say "this slaps" is High High, apart from that, I agree 5. My thoughts on Wonho leaving: even if he didn't want to leave I think this is a good chance for him, likeeee have you listened to Losing You? ART 6. Also, as a Monbebe, we don't deserve Monsta X. They don't get the hype they deserve and that's why they're always overlooked or uncredited for trends. Wonho's blue tips? Their aggressive/masculine clothing style? Their cowboy concept? (They actually did that a month after a gg did but I don't remember their name) all those things have gotten hate and what do Monbebe do? N o t h i n g And I'll stop before I rant (more) about all the hate Wonho got because he used to perform shirtless or rip his clothes on stage or just be confident on his body.
So I'm a Monbebe, have been for a long time and I 100% agree with you that we don't deserve Monsta X. With that said, I also believe that a large portion of Monbebes are a lot older than your "average kpoppie" (including myself) and from my point of view its really time consuming and not worth the effort to get into twitter/social media fights with ignorant/toxic haters who don't care to see reason even (let's be honest Ă lot of us have other things to do). Already, just scrolling down this comment section and seeing a certain fandom all up in arms about someone else's opinion and not wanting to reflect on the opinion critically (having to be spoon fed "it's my opinion not fact" by the creater) offered is draining and infuriating.
personally, i just never knew woojin. i started stannning stray kids in late 2020 after he had already left, causing me to have zero interest in him especially because even before he left, he never got a lot of attention or screen time anyway. so really, i just never found a reason to care for him. but, i've also never hated him either because i don't know anything about him, i don't have anythings i could hate + in situations of such accusations, i always stay neutral unless i am given some proper solid evidence.
Lmao, I respect your opinions, I just wanna say that our opinions on 4th gen are so different, to me txt is one of the only 'stand out' groups in terms of music, like even when they do 'dark' concepts they're so different from the ones we're used to seeing. Like CYSM horror concept instead of the typical beat drop + raps about amazing you are?? so good. I personally find myself drawn to them sm, and their discography is so diverse. Like listening to other groups, I only remember like half the songs on an album cause they sound so similar to me, but txt's sound is so distinct, even when they experiment so much. I personally don't see how their music could be 'generic' when they have songs like eternally, frost, fairy of shampoo and more, but ig that's your opinion
OMG YES U STAN MCND AND SNAPPED HARD TALKING ABOUT WOOJIN I SUBSCRIBED!!!! edit: i forgot about saying smth about loona but the thing that i love about them is their predebut era of introduing each members that took them 2 years. each of the members has their own solo and in subunits waaay before they debut (the fact that one solo song and subunits differs from one another is immaculate). they also have their own lore that makes them have high level of engagement and also ties into their predebut project. since the predebut project was big, it caused their company to kinda go bankcrupt atm lmao. the reason why ppl were spamming "stan loona" back in 2018-2019 with the exploading memes is bc at that time there were upsetting news about them possibly disbanding. now they have risen and im so happy for them. (i do agree on ppl who are annoying on twt doing it but most encounters are ppl who does it in a funny way to trolls with no bad itentions).
i felt bad for mina in the first place seeing that she got bullied for 10 years, but seeing her constantly trying to get the issue alive again just made me lowkey sus. and now that she claimed that she got ab*sed and the ab*ser was allegedly a celebrity (bc she stated he was famous) then taking her words back and saying that he's "famous for his b*llying" and that she just wanted to focus on the died down b*lllying issue of j*min doesn't really sit right with me now. ^but i do hope that she's doing well in her career and also her mental and physical health.
Do you not count seventeen in best 3rd gen bg list I mean they are also not generic, they have great vocals, great stage presence, great choreo, they produce their music themselves I was just curious i never saw you talking about them, or you just only talk about your favorites don't take it as rudeđ, I'm just curious â€
You got spicy opinions and we love someone who speaks their mind. I'll give my opinion no one asked for on the ones I want to lol Stays never liked Woojin: Agree. Woojin was the least popular member by far and what you said holds true imo. Ppl took accusations and ran with it even if they were eventually proven to be lies. Hope his mental is okay tbh. Ik felix posted on insta with the believe in stray kids #8 around the same time as this was going on and that validated a lot of ppl in their thinking of woojin. Toxic ARMY same as Toxic Blink: Every fandom has toxic fans but Blinks/ARMYs are notorious since they have giant, international fanbases. Ignore toxic ppl, I don't need that negativity. Big3 Talent: The Big 3 are the top of the top when it comes to Korean music entertainment. To simply get in means you're talented. Also prolly based on strict looks too so there's some unfairness in that regard. Educated Idols: Really interesting point. I agree though. It continues to happen time and time again and generally no ramifications occur for it. Ppl still sweep it under the rug mostly. Idol sex: Lol this is so funny to me. Yes they prolly are but it'd weird me out if they weren't tbh. Most idols are young adults in their sexual prime and they're all good looking so it makes sense. Maybe they have like NDA's with ppl so they don't spill LOL Fourth gen groups: I listen to Cravity so this one hurt a bit D: but i get it. I like the members and they carry the group for me. Their music is generic at best and honestly some b-sides I think could do better as the title track (Jumper/Believer/Ohh Ahh), but I'm biased. But I hope it evolves as time goes on since they're still rookies and have been around for like 7 months rn. Of course, groups like SKZ and Ateez were really diverse in their music at the same point in their careers too. It prolly comes from the fact that SKZ and Ateez are self-produced while Cravity isn't as far as I know, but idk maybe I'm just making excuses. Jungkook change: Agree. If he was the same person from debut as to now I'd be worried tbh. Ppl naturally change as they get older and the same applies to him. Mina AOA: I thought this was about Twice Mina I'm so dumb. Definitely manipulative later on like you said. In the beginning I think it was genuine but later I think she wants revenge.
you have every right to share your opinions lol Definitely, I agree with giving rookies time to find their ground. It takes time to find their real style and to evolve. And opinions do change and chances are my opinions about 4th gen boy groups might change overtime. I'm a Gemini, I change my mind faster than lightning đbut more importantly I am open to changing my mind. Thank you for sharing your views by the way. đ
This is amazing! I screamed so loud at the "idols have sex" thing. As a type of kpop stan who always voluntarily smacked out delulus and oppa is mine stans i heartly agree on this on. Some of them obsessed bitches still even treat the maknae of the group as a baby didn't realize they be growin up. They can date, they could smoke, they can be doing it. Just stop dreaming, the reality hurts and y'all know it so just stop and accept the crap.
Like Jungkook wasn't the only one who changed, V changed, Jimin changed ,jhope changed. In short they all changed ,as in matured they can't act like little boys anymore every single time. Its just that the maknae line especially JK really showed cause they were soooo young imagine a 15yr old being a star. Look at miley wouldn't it be creepy if she still acted like she was 15. It would be creepy
Listening to this "old" video of yours and I find myself agreeing with everything... Expecially about Woojin, Everglow vs Itzy, Monsta X being the best 3rd gen group!! And I really can't find any boy group of this 4th gen that catch my liking :( they all seem the same to me musically speaking..
My opinion: Mina isn't manipulative, she's traumatized. I'm pretty sure that explains most of her behavior. Anxiety, PTSD, immense fear - she's acting irrationally because this has affected her mental health to such an extent that we may not even comprehend. I cannot even imagine what it must feel like to be severely bullied and assaulted for an entire decade. Maybe she is seeking approval and sympathy from others via the internet, but that just backfires more and more, deteriorating her health even further. I hope that she will be okay and will heal.
@@plasticlope7995 yes, they did. I'm very disappointed with her and this entire situation. I'm also confused if jimin did actually bully mina all this time or did mina dramatize everything. currently I'm not supporting neither of them and honestly trying to distance myself from this entire situation.
I've been an army for almost 5 years now and I love monsta x too and I never knew there was any beef between the two fandoms. This is news to me honestly. Oh also if what you said is true abt armys hating on monsta x bc I.M. said he wouldn't make an english song a couple of years back and are using that against them then i'm very disappointed. Whoever said that are real hypocrites bc Jungkook literally did the same in regards to his tattoos. He said via live that he'd never get tats bc he love his body pure but years later he has the most tats in bts. There's nothing wrong with that but my point is, people change and that's not fair.
What she's saying is bs. I can assure you that a majority of the fandom either dont know monsta x, ignore them or casually listen to them as well (myself included). There is no beef other than the typical random insults thrown here and there between fan accounts.
Jungkook has always loved tattoos and have said that he'd love to get them in earlier days. We also have a running joke about it involving Yoongi. He has never said he disliked tattoos. Also about MX, most people didn't know them/ignored them. The only ones who started beef with was towards BB and radio play for being xenophobic.
@@abhilashajainbr yes, he did say he love them and he'd love to get them but he said he decided not to because his skin is too precious...you could see it in this live at 40:09 czcams.com/video/8pjVzFp_BqU/video.html My point was that, he could like and want something but not get it even if he could bc other reasons outweighs the wants and it's also alright if he changes his mind in the future (as he did) bc humans emotions and wants are always changing.
itâs the other way around actually. yâall be dragging bts and kekeing but when we wanna defend our faves weâre the bad ones. armys ARE the victims
26:02 âAnd Oneus on occasionâ You mean *And Oneus all of the time because they have never released a bad song and thereâs no changing my mind đđđ
well JungKook will become adult of course and so will he not have nature and behaviour changes when he is maturing? no he will have changes he was 15 when he debuted and i'm 15 going on 16 this year and i know how u are when you are 15 and how u will be at 23-24 because my sister has matured and my parents say so tooo....also mannn why should V or Jnugkook still act like babies and like teenager when they are grown adult men....its ridiculous to say that they changed well don't u change when u become a teenager from a kiddo and an adult from a teenager huhhh
When i heard 4th gen bg are boring, i was boiling to know if you would say that Oneus is one of them, because it would have been weird if you considered their music and universe boring.
I mean txt have a different style song during every comeback, their discography is so diverse and their story line too so I think TXT too and ofc oneus.
2nd gen fans are so biased bc of nostalgia, and that nostalgia is so powerful like⊠disney adults are a perfect example of that. some people hold on to the âgood old timesâ so and become angry that itâs over, so angry that they canât cope with whatâs happening in the present.
I think the reason why there's the huge hype around Loona is because their predebut content, especially discography, is incredible. As an Orbit I think that their appeal is the concept (and I mean group concept and not concepts of the individual comebacks). However, I totally respect that they aren't for everyone and it pains me that the stan Loona meme has been detrimental in the long run when it comes to Loona and Orbit's reputation (although I got into Loona because of it, so it was kind of effective at the time).
This is so stupid, ur a monta x fan who is big BTS anti, like u call BTS generic, and then procced to call monsta x best 3rd gen bg like girl
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But that's their opinion, right? Everyone that loves Monsta X does not hate bts, but they are allowed to love them more. Just like army loves bts more than anyone else and think they're better than the rest of the world, right?
Just cause you think bts is the best donât mean their the best, mediocrity is mainstream now, you donât need talent anymore to make it as a successful musician these days and thatâs just facts, bts went mainstream internationally doesnât mean their any better than any other male Koop group though their good but their not the best
Bro I am Army and dont stan Monsta x but thats just her opinion. Not thinking BTS is the best is not a crime.
didnt she say she started listening to bts when she got into kpop
"it's not the toxic fans that are too loud, it's the good fans that are too quiet"
as much as i understand the importance of holding others accountable, there are people like me who aren't active on social media (i don't have twitter or instagram) and simply want to enjoy the music... most of the time i'm not even aware of what goes down between fandoms or what kpop stans post online. it angers me that this behavior gives kpop a bad name, but i don't have the energy to be so involved in this shit. i have a full-time job, i don't stream, i don't care about the "community", i'm just here to appreciate the artistry.
For real though... same
@@Samson16436 yOUR PFP wtf i almost punched my screen
@@lewlavabra6811 sorry.. đđ
Iâm active on social media but I donât even knowđabout the wars between fandom or whatever
Saaame! People say âARMYs are so toxic this and thatâ but how am I holding these toxic fans accountable if I donât really interact with them? Iâm literally in the good side of the fandom doing charities projects and living my best life lol
âThese are not 30 year old virginsâ
Iâm dead lol
Unpopular opinion: I wish stans could be able to hype up their faves without antis saying the group/idol is overhyped
Exactly, it's just a problem when popular fandoms hype their faves, like we didn't keep the other stans from hyping their faves and lock them in the dungeon, did we?
@@btsesthetic640 exactly
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Well actually fans always want to bring up their faves on everything and is so f-ing annoying
Bya Kora Agree, there's a difference between loving your idols and praising them as gods for doing normal things
I like how she just so straight forward
Thanks. I try â€
When you said Mina and Jimin I thought your were talking about Mina from twice and Jimin from Bts and I was so lost until you said bring men to the dorm
loooooooool
Lol I thought that as well when the situation started since I didn't stan aoa
Omg help-
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As a fellow â97 baby, I can attest to the fact that Jungkook changing is not only okay, but it was inevitable. He basically debuted when we were fetuses. Weâre grown adults now (scary, isnât it?). None of us should be expected to remain the same from 15 -> 24.
Tbh all of KPOP is generic, itâs not a bad thing or even an insult
Exactly!
@@everglowup yup that's why it's called POP as in it's POPular. They take the most popular elements of a song and combine them all in together. They also take the most popular things on the business side and cram it all into the promotion. It's whatevers popular.
*TWICE and LOONA laughing at a distance*
Kpop is generic if you only listen BTS and Blackpink bc kpop actually is really diverse and a mix of different genres, Try it listen to F(x), Loona, Shinee, Red Velvet, Shinhwa or soloist like BoA, Gain or IU. they have many different songs and a rich discography.
@@Kharmatos13 and also not all kpop is certainly pop, u better listen Dreamcatcher or old mamamoo Jazz songs.
"they could be doing it with eachother" *S E N T*
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Well probably lol
But if they do is probably a lot more common for boy groups
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@@mirific5211 why is it more common for them?
I hate it when people say the idols that come from the big 3 doesn't deserve the hype and are only privileged. Yes, they're privileged but they don't know how hard it is to pass the standards of a very successful company. They wouldn't debut if they don't deserve it. Many idols waste their education and childhood in hopes of debuting. They didn't debut just to get shit on for passing the high expectations of the biggest companies.
period
Exactly like the big 3 are notorious for their training program. All idols that come from the big 3 worked their ass of to get there.
@@naega_jeil_jal_naga9852 weâre talking not talk about whatâs harder debuting from a big3 company or debuting from a small company weâre talk and how people discredit idols form big3 companies calling them âoverratedâ, âoverhypedâ, âprivilegedâ
Exactly, idols from the big 3 are there for a reason.
i disagree re: 4th gen bgs, txt is the most refreshing thing to be put out by the bg market in the 4th gen and they especially impressed me with blue hour
true and their cant you see me mv literally made me a moa!!!
True their Mv quality is very amazing
Unpopular opinion but txt's rock punk concept is Wayyyy better than their bubblegum pop concept. I don't hate it but I'm not the biggest fan of their bubblegum pop sound, their rock concept is making me a moa. Blue hour bored me BUT lovesong, lo$er=lover and anti- romantic are the real shit
Also txt cussing is my religion đ
I agree with her. I was really impressed my TXT Eternals MV (low-key though it was a small story skit), but when I was motivated into looking into their discography I found them very boring.
I just think their music isn't for everyone.
thatâs your opinion đđđ
alot of stays that i talked with about the controversy even admitted to finding him ugly and paying less attention to him or finding him sketchy and creepy. which isnât a problem to find a member unattractive or only give certain attention to your biases, as long as your not rubbing it in peopleâs faceâs and writing it everywhere. at this point, youâre just being a hypocrite and bullying the man for things he cannot control.
bullying someone for physical apperance is horrible honnestly
@@atiredail.e very much so. itâs ridiculous and so mean
That's why idols have to act, they have to have a persona now, need to get work on their face, they just have to. Despite everything saying things like natural is best, real, blah blah, people are just like that
The aggressive âstan loonaâ marketing done by orbits helped to gain the girls a lot of recognition, though, which I think was the main point of it all. Theyâre from a smaller company and have a lot of members so they arenât exactly easy to break into the market. The aggressive campaigning done by stans did them a lot of favors in that regard, though it did recruit a higher ratio of toxic individuals than would have happened otherwise.
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Idols are screwing like everyone else. I'm actually highly convinced that the whole Tasty in Busan thing was about jungkook losing his virginity. For those of you who don't know about it, a fan meeting jhope asked the fans what's tasty in busan. Jungkook then whispered something into jhope's ear which made him (jungkook) laugh and slap the table and jhope said he's wierd and that he can't tell the fans what he said. Jungkook then told jimin what he said and jimin's reaction was "everyone, jungkook has become an adult" and the fans started screaming What else could that possibly mean? People, mostly men, usually consider losing one's virginity as a sign of becoming an adult or a "real man". Also, when the fans asked jimin to elaborate he said "it's exactly what you're thinking." There's doubt in my mind that if what jungkook was talking about isn't about his virginity then it was something just as lewd.
iâm pretty sure at the time jungkook was pretty young. the clip was from 2015-2016, right ?
yeah no , in busan they sell a pp looking fish which is famous asf .
@@bluehourmylove well, we'll never know in the end lmao
â@@mlpmlpmlpmlp1 If he was only 17 or 18, then it's very unlikely for him to lost virginity at that age. Let me explain. Korea is still a VERY conservative and sexually oppressive country for WOMEN and GIRLS. Girls under or around 18 years old (even into early 20s) who have sex will 100% get slut-shamed by a lot of people around them, maybe even their own parents. Losing virginity for a young girl/woman is basically still a taboo.
And what does that mean for teenage boys? It means that most of them aren't having sex either (unless with other boys lol). Some may say "Oh but of course girls can just do it in secret. Just don't let people find out." But it's not that simple.
The slut-shaming is something that's deeply internalised in most Korean and East Asian girls' minds. They technically can do it in secret, but they won't. Because they also believe that they will be sluts if they lose their virginity.
I'm not joking. And it's actually very sad.
Do young boys/men like JK know about this slut-shaming culture? Duh. Everyone knows. So they know that if they have sex with a young girl around their age (e.g. a female classmate), they would have "destroyed" her "honour" (for lack of a better word) and that it would bring disaster for her if others find out.
Again, I am NOT exaggerating. It is actually a very serious thing.
Sex work is also illegal in South Korea. There are (illegal) red-light districts, but the chance of a famous idol like JK (and who's only around 18 years old) actively going to ILLEGAL red-light districts? That's actually a very dangerous and stupid thing to do. JK is more cautious than that. C'mon. Dispatch would absolutely DESTROY him if he did that. Dispatch is everywhere......
So what is the only other relatively safe/legal/won't-destroy-a-girl's-reputation option for a young guy like JK? Yeah......it is doing it with a much older woman. And...it's not a very good option. It's kinda creepy. It's definitely very creepy. I just don't think JK would do that.
And I personally just want young boys to do it with young girls. I don't like huge age gaps. Btw relationship/sex with a huge age gap is also a taboo thing in SK.
In summary (god i love my essaywriting talents...haha...), this is why I don't think young male idols around 18 years old are just having sex and living their best lives. Sorry for making this discussion so heavy. But sex is actually a pretty heavy thing in East Asia. I don't like that. It is oppression and I hate it so damn much. But it still exists unfortunately.
But I'm not speculating anything about the current BTS. They're all approaching 30. JK is around 25. They're adults and they can be doing anything they want. They can even date much older women now. I don't care. I think JK likes noonas anyway LOL
i'm highly convinced than anything else that he was only talking about the gaebul/gochu fish
This was the most funny and enjoyable unpopular opinion I have ever heard. PLEASE DO MORE.
Thank you... Luckily there is lots more coming your way
TXT is the only diverse bg i have seen in that can do just like any concept when every boygroup is doing dark concept they really did the crop top Blue HOur
@Estela Lopez well i always appreciate and love BigHit producers and the work they present and btw TXT were also involved in the music production,composition,writing processes so .....i give credit to everyone
@Estela Lopez and sometimes its also upon the idols to be able to do any type of concept
@Estela Lopez just stfu
They arent even the first people who have done the crop top thing lmao-
@@mirific5211 not in a cute or refreshing concept
the fact that people think big 3 idols don't have talent is so stupid.. i am a kpop fan since 5-6 years and i mostly stan SM groups for eg. EXO,NCT,SHINee,SNSD,suju,f(x) and now aespa... i feel that EXO and NCT have such unique concepts. the songs can be a little similar but not too much.. EXO's concepts about EXO planet and NCT being a group with unlimited member is totally unique.. and now aespa, with the AI which is unique and new but a little unnecessary..Baekhyun, Chen, Kyungsoo's vocals are the best and Chanyeol's rap is epic and Kai and Sehun's dancing skills are one point.. and now SuperM.. AND CAN WE TAKE A MOMENT TO HAIL THE KING LEE TAEMIN!! that man ruled over kpop for 3 generations.. 2nd gen with SHINee, 3rd gen as a solo artist and 4th gen with SuperM.. and tbh i really love BTS but i get really mad because of ARMYs.. they can be extremely annoying.. they trash-talk about other groups which are equally talented or maybe more... and there are people who will do everything in their will to force you to stan their favs.. like sis, calm your sh*t..
hope you arent offended by this but i kind of dont agree with MONSTA X being the best 3rd gen bg.. they are good but i dont think the best.. this is just my opinion... i'm actually a huge EXO-L but i appreciate every idol who is blessed with talent.. i hope you guys have heard Baekhyun's Amusement Park, it is a beautiful song with beautiful lyrics.. xoxo
Thank you so much for sharing your opinion! I am not even offended at all, in fact I respect you for stating them even if they are contrary to mine... đčđ
"Stays never liked Woojin"
Girl, im a stay and he was my first bias since i became a fan
It wasn't about all stays but a lot. They even admit it and some were ot8 long before he left. Of course there's stays that love/loved him or he wouldn't have many supporters now
@@LovelyKissess i know that, but since im a stay , im a bit hurt when she said that, but no worries
I know what you mean and also doesn't apply to me. He was the first I could tell apart and match face/name. His smile, chicken love and "I can move my hair" skills did the work. đ»đđ And since my persona isn't allowed to have favouritism among them.
@@montealegrejildanielledl.4374 i mean you shouldnât have been hurt or offended since you know your not one of those people. she even clarified who she was talking about so if people who actually liked woojin got offended by that then theyâre probably one of the people that she was talking aboutđ
It doesn't apply to you thou... Don't get too dramatic you know what she meant. Majority of stays didn't like Woojin
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KPOP UNIVERSE
1:42 STAYS never liked Woojin
5:26 ARMY is threatened by Monsta X
8:37 Toxic ARMY is the same as toxic BLINK
10:01 Second Gen was generic
11:48 Not Claiming toxic fans is BS!
14:42 BIG THREE idols ARE talented
16:04 Idols don't need to be "educated"
18:56 Idols are having SEX!
20:15 Underrated idol fans need to STFU!
22:47 Not all idols are depressed
GROUPS
24:05 Everglow is better than ITZY
25:50 Fourth Gen boy groups SUCK
27:59 Monsta X was the best third gen boy group
30:05 LOONA isn't it
IDOLS
31:18 Jungkook changed and that's fine
35:16 Wonho leaving Monsta X didn't affect them that much
37:07 Mina is manipulating the fan's sympathy
Thanks
ARMY here I had no idea and shock that ARMY fandom troll Monta X english song. BTS had gone through that same pain how could they forget that. And thank you for that information.
This channel need to be recognized by many kpop fans seriously. There's a lot of awareness to be shared đȘ
Yes but also anyone that loves music.
@@nastynat1001 frr
I have to agree woojins part. He was so hated and now everyone feels sorry for hyunjin . Maybe bc he was most popular in the group? Sorry but thats not fair
Favoritism. I freaking love Hyunjin and Woojin, but the difference on how both situations were treated is soo clear. Now of course Hyunjin got hate here and there about the rumors but in Woojinâs case it was massive and toxic fans kept pushing that narrative about him bullying the members and it was just insane. Hyunjin is the most popular member in the group and favored by lots of fans including myself. Heâs going to have more supporters by his side than Woojin did.
i think woojin was pretty unpopular ... usually whenever there's a scandal, fans start defending their idols but with woojin everybody straight out cast him out and accused him
I'm not gonna be offensive, but just because you don't like something in particular, doesn't mean it sucks or is bad in general
Thats the whole point of an opinion tho love. Its not a fact, its how I view it but not necessarily how it is for everyone else...
Yea I agree, but they don't like it because in their opinion it's bad right? It's ok to have an opinion as long as your not hating or harming someone
Yeah I don't think so. I don't like blackpink's music for example, but I that just means that it's not my taste not that the songs are bad, it's still good music. You can just say: I don't like it because it's not my taste or I'm more into that. I don't think it is necessary to call an artist bad or generic just because you don't like their music. No hate just some suggestions what you could say instead to prevent fanwars :)
@@carinag4961 âșïž listen to hope not or you never know
Thatâs her opinion đ€Ł
I seriously get so mad when people say that woojin was abusing his members. ALL OF THE "PROOF" THEY HAVE ARE MANIPULATED VIDEOS LIKE THE VIDEOS ARE MADE TO MAKE HIM LOOK BAD ALL OF VIDEOS ARE CLIPS FROM DIFFERENT VIDEOS TAKEN OUT OF CONTENT. FIRST OF ALL THE VIDEO WHERE PEOPLE SAY HE HURT FELIX IS....I CAN'T....THEY WHERE PLAYING A GOT DAMN GAME AND HE FELL DOWN ON A BENCH AND IT HURT JEEZ. Second of all there are so many videos where they are having fun and they are hugging and nothing is wrong. Y'ALL JUST NEVER LIKED HIM BUT STOPPPPP TRYING TO MAKE UP FAKE RUMORS THANK YOU
About the 1st one: I agree.... I became a stay after god's menu so i didn't know much about woojin at first. i looked back at some of their older videos and the members seem to get along fine i don't get the 'woojin bullied them' stuff. Woojin was really talented its sad that his career got ruined by those fake allegations.
Are we living the same life cause omg I became a stay during Gods Menu and I checked out their old content with Woojin and I enjoyed it tbh. When the rumors came out I stayed neutral and Iâm glad I did. I support skz and woojin as a soloist and Iâm proud that heâs still focusing on his dream even after the massive hate heâs gotten.
The "Not claiming toxic fans is BS!" one. THANK YOU đđ
I totally agree with the Mina opinion like I know people who have narcissistic traits in real life who do attention seeking things like this. Iâm not saying Mina is a narcissist but I followed her Instagram after the scandal and my feed was clogged with her posting and writing sob stories to the point where I had to unfollow her. I couldnât handle the unnecessary negativity
Also with the 4th gen boy group one, just because you donât like something doesnât mean it sucks okay? They have millions of fans for a reason. Just sayin
It's an unpopular opinion. So her thinking they suck is just her opinion, not a fact. It just depends on ones preference
@@LovelyKissess I know itâs a opinion, she just states her opinion like itâs fact
Am I supposed to say "In my opinion" several times so it sounds like an opinion?
@@everglowup no. I didnât suggest that
@@straysquirrel367 That depends on how others take it. But unless someone says it's a fact, we can't take it that way
Thank you for mentioning about those maknae line stans. I was so frustrated with them. Everywhere I go, I just find so many people praising only Jimin, Taehyung and Jungkook like Jin, J-hope, RM and Suga don't exist. Like seriously? I am just so done with these so called 'fans'.
When you mentioned them, I shouted so loud. You just spoke my mind aloud. Thank you.
Exactly, if your going to stan a group, youâre supposed to stan the WHOLE group đ
@@sofia-yy5bp Exactly.
And theyâre so hypocritical, like I told a V biased âfriendâ of mine that my mom (lol) biases J Hope and Jungkook, and they sarcastically said, âOf course she stans Jungkook, heâs so popularâ .. Then I reminded them that they bias V, and they shut up. đ€·đ»ââïžđ€·đ»ââïžđ€·đ»ââïž
And to your point, there literally wouldnât be BTS songs without Hyung Line, like did they forget who composes, produces, and writes the majority of the groupâs songs ?? đŹđŹ
@@simshigh Exactly, all of them has a huge contribution in making a song.... You mentioned a great point.
Sis you SNAPPED! I agree with a lot of your opinions (esp with the âwe dont claim themâ part, i FELT that) i cant believe I only discovered you now!
One thing I dont agree with but i completely respect is your stan loona bit. I personally like their discography. I stan a lot of groups and theirs and RVs are the only ggs i can listen to without skipping. Though i get what you mean. They arent the conventional kpop sound u just wanna dance to, but for some reason Im drawn to their sound. Its very subdued but still cohesive. Also their debut concept was really ambitious but I guess it doesnt matter if you only discover them after the project is over. Also also, I love good choreo so im also biased. But honestly, the orbits being all up i your grill can get extremely annoying so im really not surprised that people dont stan for that as well.
At the end of the day its all up to preference and I totally admire how youre firm with your opinions. U gained a new subscriber â€ïžâ€ïž
as an "outsider", the arguments and fighting between fandoms has got to be the dumbest thing I see in kpop.
Unpopular opinion: international fans and east asian fans have a completely different mindset
For example, shipping idols
As what i observed, fans who are shipping male idols and female idols are 99.9% international fans
That shipping thing is purely disgusting so i really hope shippers stop
(for international i meant those who are not from east asia)
Honestly? I think the fetishization of east asians plays a big role in that. I get if that's uncomfortable to hear/acknowledge and I'm also quite positive most of them aren't aware how that usually is a subconscious thing. So like, check yourself. I know I did. (Not you j j, you're prob cool. Probably...)
@L94 I'm Brazilian but i'm not obnoxious,please don't generalize us.
@L94 I like Japanese culture too y'know. But my username doesn't affect my nationality.
are u sure? shipping same sex relationship was already popular in east asia wayyyy before gay marriage was allowed in US. those kinda thing already in conversation of my friend group since 2008. I was anime and manga fans back in the day and same sex shipping is much much more popular than straight shipping. same with my friends who is 2nd gen kpop stans
eventhough gay marriage isn't acceptable, same sex shipping already a mainstream pop culture there since a long time ago
There is no way this is accurate. I'm literally in Texas and have had so much hate from Koreans who ship idols for calling out their behavior. It's disgusting imo and I have been told that "it's normal to ship idols in Korea" and that I have no idea because I'm an international fan and I should just keep my opinions to myself because it's insulting to Korean shippers.
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Some could be asexual as well đđđđ
But I get what you're talking about.
I'm glad I'm not on Twitter lol. Honestly Monsta X became my favorite group easily once I started actually checking out their discography and seeing how much they are involved in making thier own stuff (I feel like it's rare esp. in k-pop). Also Jooheon (and I.M) are such crazy all-rounders. I feel bad in a way that not many people take the time to fully check them out bc their concepts can come of as repetetive or generic (their MV's definetly are but they literally do so much, it just always has their style... that in itself in another discussion like, is a group better just because they sing to vastly different concepts?) but I also feel like that's a big part of why Monbebe is over-all a less "toxic" fandom than most others. I feel like most monbebe really spend time into this group and learning about the members and stuff. Also (correct me if I'm wrong) they are literally the only idols I have seen to ever actually adress LGBTQ+ directly and speak about misogony + share stuff about their health so freely.
IDK what this comment is supposed to be, I just wanted to show some appreciation to those guys. Also I feel like I can openly talk about things they did wrong without Monbebe defending them to death.
I only use Twitter bcs some games will only save if I use my Twitter and to send birthday tweets to some idols (groups I stan and donât stan )
@@KiwiNCTiny127 I tried it before but I lost track so quickly, bc I was only active for like once every 2 months lol. But like why is it so much more "toxic" than other apps?
I might agree with the "educating idols rant" but I do have some thoughts. It's expecting a lot to believe a Korean barely out of high school who's whole life was spent in a dance practice room to know every little thing about some other countries cultures.
Yes, I get it. As time goes on, it seems impossible for idols not to know certain things. But on the other hand, the West isn't the center of the universe, and certainly isn't in Asia. So expecting them to share our believes and ideals is, ironically enough, problematic.
Should they know better? Probably, if they're after reaching an international market, but I can cut the 20 year old who's on a Kale diet and got 2 hours of sleep some slack when they forget some obscure cultural fact about some country they'll probably never see.
This biggest issue in the West is that we think our local issues are global ones, and they SO are not. So if we're choosing enjoy foreign content for entertainment purposes, we should keep in mind it comes from a different culture and shouldn't expect for it to conform to ours. Idol won't know everything that may offend us, and given their main audience isn't the west anyway, I don't think they're too worried about upsetting some rando in the US. We don't pay them, we're not the demographic, we're just the cherry on top.
THANK YOU this thing "they should know better" comes from a ethnocentric point of view, in my case I'm from Argentina a country where we barely learn about racism, how should a I know something that I never heard for example the aave. And I didn't know about it until a became tw stan so how do I expect idols to be educated when me being from the same continent I'm not.
All I am saying is if countless idols have been dragged and cancelled on social media for this behavior, other idols have the time to educate themselves on it. They don't need highschool or college, they are in real time right now with the internet. If they can see the backlash happening to other idols I bet you they can do a quick Google search. Idols have the capacity to educate themselves, no excuses for that. Saying that idols don't know everything that will offend us while they see other idols getting called out and cancelled for the same things over and over again is bullshit imo đ€·đŸââïž
@@jaeminista2277 yeah my friends (20 years old) didnât even know that the n-word was offensive, they thought it just meant âblack personâ. they are big fans of idols, but donât know that some of them got backlash for saying the n-word. in my country, we donât get education about racism, and itâs so rarely talked about unless you went to the top international private schools. itâs so annoying when westerners think theyâre the center of the world.
@@cici1474 samee im 19 from an southeast asian country n i didn't know that the n word was offensive until recently when the issue was brought up in a fandom scheme
dude i literally don't know that this is a thing like really im not a racist but no lie, i genuinely dont know
and most of my friends from my country didn't know too
it's weird to expect everyone from different backgrounds to know every little thing about what would make a person from different country n culture upset because im pretty much sure these westerners didn't know what're the things that would make people from my country upset either
if they want us to educate ourselves then they can start educate themselves about all cultures from every country too, even the smallest country ever they have to know too bcs tHeY sHouLd hAvE kNowN bEtTeR n ThEy NeEd tO eDucAtE tHemSelVes
it have to go both ways, not just us educating ourselves with them doin nothin, u know
im not spreading hate, just sayin.
Y'all, listen to outsider's (non western) perspective too, *remember* communication have to go both ways.
But do you realistically think these idols will âeducateâ themselves on issues that again they have no real connection to. Most of them (more likely their teams) slap an apology together and keep it pushing for optics and most likely never talk about it again. If they barely have time to apologize for minor indiscretions, do you think they will go Google the nuances of cultural appropriation or just say that they are a fan of black culture and call it day. Like I think the reality and the expectation for an industry/system that isnât structured on âeducatingâ idols should be revisited. These incidents will continue to happen because the cancelling and dragging are not so much effective for us as they are for the industry heads bank accounts. They donât really pay attention to foreign outrage, not unless itâs related to China or Japan because they take priority, US, and the minorities within the US are after thoughts. Donât assume they will instantly change or even begin to fully understand that they can change their racial biases or cultural insensitivity overnight. That takes time, and unlearning what their entire industry is built on and ingrained in some of them. Most Americans donât get it right today, what makes you think they will? They definitely still need to be held accountable, but I think the knetz need to be the oneâs who do. They clearly have more time on their hands. Remember we are still the minority in their world. Of course fatou would get hate, sheâs in their country, it would just be random for her to disrespect them.
I'm an ARMY myself and like Seriously wtf is wrong with the rest of the fandom? monstaX is so good i mean why will you hate them for releasing an English album? wtf i hate it when other ARMYs shove BTS's success on other's face.
There are people that really think that Idols are inocent?
Two words:
EXPENSIVE GIRL
sry i had tođ
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Haha like really đ sooo many songs, old and new, with seriously spicy lyrics
One word: TROUBLE
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Wait, I'm sorry I have to add to this: Monsta X's discogđ
LMFAOOO NOOOOOOO, someone burn that song
To be honest army's have made up beef with every other fandom. As soon as a group accomplishes anything they can't handle it
Nahh bestie we don't really care about other fandoms and there are many other fandoms whom we are friends with like Moa, buddy, Aroha, once, engene, carats etc. and this is coming from a multistan so dont assume shit
Agree they even attack Blackpink which is a girl group đ
@@holywater3976 woah there, it seems this comment somewhat struck a nerve and what they said is so true. If youâre not those fans then great thereâs no need to feel offended about it.
@@_Ash0099 sorry if my comment seemed like that but my intention was not like that . Btw your username is really creative lmao
I'm a ARMY and I love BTS but I see alot of Toxic fans on the internet basically flexing that bts will always be more successful than other groups will ever be especially when I see Armys bring in fandoms like blinks like they are literally wasting their time writing something on another fandom they are going to get hate on.
omg yesssss the everglow >> itzy thingâs so true (TwT)
iâm so happy how u brought up how diverse everglowâs b-sides are cuz like omfg people be out here saying everglowâs songs are all just noise like omfg most of their b-sides are literally title track worthy and theyâre much better than actual title tracks by other groups sksksjsk
People be throwing "noise" around to critique artists... I listen to a lot of electronic music like house, techno, trance etc and apparently that's just noise lol. If you don't like it just uhm don't listen?
Everglow is def not noise imo
This is a REAL unpopular opinion video and I love it
Imagine, criticizing other kpop groups for doing English songs or albums and taking BTS statements or past interviews as bible, only for your own bias group to show up and expose your hypocrisy and then still doubling down.
DICTIONARY DEFINITION: CLOWN FOOLERY
Woooow burn
True lmao
you thought you ate thatđ
oh FACTS
@@ongakira but is he lying tho
My unpopular opinion : BTS donating for BLM was just another business tactic...cause considering their past....they apologized and yet they kept doing/saying offensive things and now that they are popular in the west...they knew that if they didn't do anything about it then they would loose fanbase cause they have a lot of fans in America...
Whew go off! But seriously you have a good point.
@@everglowup Not to be rude but imagine them not donating!!!! they would have been cancelled by a lot of American fans....they donated 1M $ now they might get worth 5M$ return as profits ....and if any other K-pop gp had donated....maybe no one would have at all noticed or acknowledged it as much....as for them changing....I don't think they really changed but they became more careful with their words and have become better at hiding.....this is no hate though but I only want armys to not worship them GODs...the way I see on twitter.
@Life_ _is_hard When Monsta X donated they didn't say anything and they were already getting cancelled so imagine BTS đ they would have been destroyed on Twitter.
@@everglowup OOO i didn't even know MonstaX donated...so i see that they didn't get the same response and praise as BTS did cause i didn't see one article about it...anyway good that they are aware..
@@rhythmsandblues1077 no one is worshiping them that way.....
is the woojin thinggg really true like is he really innocent
I think so plus they need to just admit that they ain't like him
Yeah, I am still working on a detailed video on that including information about the OP and their lies. Just give me some time. Thanks again for watching â€
I mean there are no solid proofs from both sides
@@jyotisinha5244 there is solid proof from woojin's side. We have tracked the first op like the one who started all that. Not only the first op but even all the victims who claimed to be beaten, harrassed, impregnated. Everything has been proved to be false allegations. Not only those victims, but even the staff who started the bullying accusations was tracked to be from the eastern time zone, western hemisphere (not korea).
but forget about solid, there is not a single evidence from the fake victim (obviously cause it never existed). and yeah, 10x debunked the second op too by showing the cctv and his alibi of him not going out to bar that day it mentioned so you can't really say there is no evidence from his side.
@@lydsiaaalidiyaaa191 that's great but sadly if there will be no official post from the company itself about those false accusations, he is still on the danger line and many will still not believe his innocence. If he wants a good and secure career, the company needs to hold the accusers accountable and release a public report Abt the ones who are guilty. I hope the company is not waiting for the public to forget this incident, because that's pure cownery
And be prepared for haters. I'll be recommending this video to many many Woojin haters because they need to hear some of the things you said
Oh don't worry, I am very prepared... â€
S a m e
Finally someone is talking about the mina and Jimin situation. I also thought it was weird
When you started to talk about TXT i was literally the definition of âjust smile and listenâ đ no cause like TXT is like one of the most diverse groups out there, they pull off every concept, all rounders, and to me theyâre literally IT.
But you do you!
i love their black clover OP :>
Finally I completely agree with the Woojin one. Iâve waited so long for this opinion to come out. Thank youuuuuuu.
Toxic armys are so salty about every group that actually getting a taste of success. Its getting tiring
âFourth Gen Boy Groups Suckâ TXT canât relate
Aside from a select few, I personally believe TXT is doing better than most 4th gen K-pop boy groups.
yeah dunno why she didn't mention them, their songs are mazing and same to their choreos and they are currently the most achieving 4th generation group, except digitally but not everyone's opinion is different
I honestly think txt treasure and enhypen
I think ateez too : )
@@OccasionalThespian definitely! The only boy group in HISTORY to win immortal twice without the help of fans says something.
The âJungkook has changedâ thing is definitely fetishization. I also think this is gonna be a reacquiring thing. When people see a child grow up in the public, people start to act weird when they realize the child they once knew is not a child anymore. I remember reading another comment on this video that mentioned Miley Cyrus and it brought up so much anger I had. I use to see so many comments during Mileyâs Wrecking Ball era. Comments like âwhat happened to the Hannah Montana Mileyâ or âI want the Hannah Montana Miley backâ. I would read those comments and think to myself yâall do realize that Miley was like 12 or 13 at that time. I feel like this is whatâs happening with Jungkook. Itâs the fetishization of wanted to keep him as the same 15/16 year boy he was when BTS first started. Another thing people tend to forget is young Jungkook mentioned getting tattoos on American Hustle Life.
lmao tbh u r right stays never like woojin in the first place lol . and i think he suit as soloist better than in group :/ maybe the reason why he always got least line cuz skz song is more with rap and edm drop i guess ? like han and chan always got line since they can do both of it .
"Specially in Korea where reputation matter more than talent" Lmao sis just snapped, and about Jimin and Mina completely agree what you said!
As an Orbit I agree. I have drifted away from other Orbits. They started to become overbearing. I miss when we were just joking about it but people took it too far. Now people only see Loona as a joke. We can't expect everyone to feel the same about Loona. Loona used to be amazing and everything to me. I still feel they have an amazing predebut project and that their story is amazing but I have drifted apart over time. It makes me sad but its the truth. Loona will always have a place in my heart but the fandom is in shambles.
i personally think LOONA has one of the most diverse discography among 4th gen groups. also i think they have the best discography. the members are all rounders tbh. i canât believe some of you let fans get in the way of the groups lol
bruh if the fans threaten my life to stan the group why would i stan them
Keep your lol to yourself fam.
LOONA as a group is already pretty boring and you top them off with an extremely unpleasant fanbase; who the heck in their right minds would want to stan them to be in such an environment?
You literally said u loving their discography was personal, so why're u turning around to say u can't understand why others don't wanna stan?
@@destroyedcroissant9366 lol đ
@@Gemstones1000 "pretty boring" i have bad news for u sis
Nr.1 rule for me is to actually look into k pop groups b side before judging their entire concept/discography. Loona has so many R&B b-sides that would be more appreciated if those were their title tracks.
please listen to TXT their dicography is so diverse as well as their choreography
Every fandom has a toxic side đđđ whether it is army, blinks, stays etc
I became a stay from jan 2020 ....i guess and what you said was quite right. I don't hate him but he was never my bias in skz. All the other members have became my bias and bias wreaker , idk probably i didn't liked him cause he was not a member when i started stanning skz. But i saw older stays were crying and saying that they miss woojin , so i thought " yeah , i respect him as he was a former member " .
I was neutral to the woojin situation especially when more info came about him being innocent.
the 2nd point... hits harder when you remember the hate that jookyun got for holding up a sign given by a monbebe saying "kpop's best rappers"
Agreed seriously why can the fandoms just be respectful towards each other on social media and just support other incredibly talented groups not just their Faves
edit/note: im a stay since my pace
woojin was always the least popular dollowed by maybe seungmin. nobody really ever straight forward talked about it, stays packed it as a "hes most underrated" but the truth is, hes the member that got least love and a lot of stays didnt care. he has different visuals a different vocal tone but he is very talented. it kind of makes a lot of sense that he would get the most hate and that some stays could not care LESS to spread fake rumours. not even speaking of the 1st victim but there were SO many fake victims and stories taht even came out tHEMSELVES saying that they were lying. it really shows that stays waited to finally have something to hate about him openly. yet those stays complain about people hating on their faves. stays think mnet does evil editing but who is calling out the stays who did evil editing themselves?
OOH LAST PART GOT ME CAUSE ITS SO TRUE. The heavy editing and out of context clips those stays used to make Woojin look bad, my goodness it had so many people fooled that some stays use it as âproof.â Itâs ridiculous. Iâm a stay and cub and itâs so annoying how this situation is still being dragged on. I mean literally yesterday on twitter there was a bunch of stays still having something to say about him like leave him alone already.
This is so unrelated, but Jisoo's hair is gorgeous. I was sucked up by her fancam with the black top and the mustard skirt. That hair and her pretty face are hypnotic.
The way you talked about txt made me realize that you havenât looked into them at all, and Iâm not saying that you have to like their music, but they are definitely different from other bg in their generation. You totally pushed back their talent and focused on how âclicheâ their songs are. They are definitely one of the best bg in their generation and their b-sides are amazing as well.
Yall do realise that these are opinions and u cant change her opinions?
@L94 nah u are the one who needs to shut up and leave.
Nope. I think it's her opinion and she has a right to it. Besides being a talented singer doesn't mean your actual songs will be enjoyable for some people to listen to.
Besides, I've personally looked into TXT and I also find them very boring.
@@Gemstones1000 good for you??
@L94 uh....what?
I love her going âok so you donât hate meâ In between the video cuts Iâm like no girl Iâm here with you đ
30:30 I'm disappointed :(( You know that loona makes music too right?? lmao but that opinion kind of irked me, and I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible when I say that they have a really diverse discography. 74 songs. 74 songs and you didn't like a single one? It's okay if they're just not your taste and you wouldn't go out of your way to listen to them, but saying that it's lackluster or "not giving what we say it's giving" is kind of unfair. But I'm not gonna beat you into stanning loona, but I want to suggest some life changing tracks that might sway your opinion
1. Sweet Crazy Love - trust me on this it's a banger
2. Hide & Seek - upbeat and fun
3. D-1 - has a really unique sound that I haven't heard in kpop a lot
4. Stylish - if you like everglow you'll probably like this it's in the same vein. The vocals in this are IMMACULATE
5. Where u at - I had to throw a ballad in here
letâs hope she gives them a second chance!
I agree with everything you said except the "we don't claim them" part. Which is my opinion, but it's definitely not something we say just because we don't want to hold them accountable or because we think they will change by saying that. We don't mean it as in "please, don't hold our toxic fans accountable" either. We mean it as in hold them accountable, do whatever you want and say whatever you want to them because we want nothing to do with them. We choose not to focus on them because that will do nothing but create more toxicity as you said that nothing will change in their mindset. By "we don't claim them", we mean that we don't believe they're truly a part of loving a group and appreciating a group in a healthy way. At least, that's what most people I talked to meant when they said 'we don't claim them'. At the same time, we don't want people to look at them and use their stupidity as a reason to say a fandom is toxic and there's no upside to that fandom. All fandoms are toxic. The intensity of it varies on the popularity of a group. The more fans you have, the more toxicity you have. And that is something you cannot eliminate or help when it comes to people. But there are also fans who appreciate an idol and love an idol and are healthy towards the idols of the k-pop industry and are overall wonderful people that help others on a daily basis and their love is contagious to other fans and on and on. And I know that should be the norm, but I feel like healthy, loving, wonderful fans aren't as much mentioned as toxic ones. It's like seeing a movie and mentioning only the stars of it. Of course not. You have a bunch of unsung heroes behind it who help on a daily basis. It's not just the toxic fans. Of course, that's my opinion. And your opinion is 100% appreciated and respected!
đź I was so shook with the Loona opinion. They have my favorite discography. I recommend their music if you like ethereal pop music. I also like the old school pop vibes that a lot of their pre-debut songs had. My favorite songs are Sweet Crazy Love, Puzzle, and Eclipse. I think they have a really unique vibe and I also like groups that have lore and a story line which Loona has. Those are some reasons why I love the group so much.
This is the best kpop unpopular opinions video ever. Change my mind.
Monsta x and stray kids brought me into kpop this year. I was avoiding kpop for obvious reasons, I won't state what actually. But I listened both the groups on the same day and I was like I am gonna listen to these both groups from now on.
A hairstyle does not belong to any race. Im a blank person who really encourages dreads and braids.
11:48 - I've been saying this since I got into Kpop. Also, the whole "the fandom shouldn't deter you from stanning an idol" mindset is toxic. I want to participate in wider fandom activities without the fear of being threatened, attacked, or doxxed if I upset *that* portion of the fandom by saying something they deem wrong.
Kihyun is one of my favorite vocalist. Monsta X is one of my ultimate groups. They are unique and I love them.
1. I only started to pay attention to SKZ after god's menu, even if I had listened to other songs like hellevator or double knot, and even then I could realize that not many people liked him đŹmost got over his departure really quick lmao. After watching video updates on Woojin's situation, I'm considering giving his music a chance đ€
2. Do people really say that idols that come from one of the Big 3 aren't talented? Have they ever listened to SM's singers? YG's rappers and producers? JYP's singers and dancers? Come the f on! Yeah, they have privilege, but that doesn't make them any less talented or hardworking.
3. May I recommend DONGKIZ? they're a 4th gen group and their music is very... Specific? When I listened to Lupin by them I was shook đł they have like less than ten songs bc they come from a small agency but from my pov they have niceeee producers behind them. I didn't like their last comeback as much as Lupin but I'm definitely still interested.
4. My thoughts on Loona: the one song I would say "this slaps" is High High, apart from that, I agree
5. My thoughts on Wonho leaving: even if he didn't want to leave I think this is a good chance for him, likeeee have you listened to Losing You? ART
6. Also, as a Monbebe, we don't deserve Monsta X. They don't get the hype they deserve and that's why they're always overlooked or uncredited for trends. Wonho's blue tips? Their aggressive/masculine clothing style? Their cowboy concept? (They actually did that a month after a gg did but I don't remember their name) all those things have gotten hate and what do Monbebe do?
N o t h i n g
And I'll stop before I rant (more) about all the hate Wonho got because he used to perform shirtless or rip his clothes on stage or just be confident on his body.
Please give Woojin's music a chance, he posts the most beautiful song covers on this yt channel đđ
So I'm a Monbebe, have been for a long time and I 100% agree with you that we don't deserve Monsta X. With that said, I also believe that a large portion of Monbebes are a lot older than your "average kpoppie" (including myself) and from my point of view its really time consuming and not worth the effort to get into twitter/social media fights with ignorant/toxic haters who don't care to see reason even (let's be honest Ă lot of us have other things to do). Already, just scrolling down this comment section and seeing a certain fandom all up in arms about someone else's opinion and not wanting to reflect on the opinion critically (having to be spoon fed "it's my opinion not fact" by the creater) offered is draining and infuriating.
personally, i just never knew woojin. i started stannning stray kids in late 2020 after he had already left, causing me to have zero interest in him especially because even before he left, he never got a lot of attention or screen time anyway. so really, i just never found a reason to care for him. but, i've also never hated him either because i don't know anything about him, i don't have anythings i could hate + in situations of such accusations, i always stay neutral unless i am given some proper solid evidence.
That kpop fans need reminding that their faves are having sex is so sad in itself.
damn you definitely snapped, this needs way more views
Lmao, I respect your opinions, I just wanna say that our opinions on 4th gen are so different, to me txt is one of the only 'stand out' groups in terms of music, like even when they do 'dark' concepts they're so different from the ones we're used to seeing. Like CYSM horror concept instead of the typical beat drop + raps about amazing you are?? so good. I personally find myself drawn to them sm, and their discography is so diverse. Like listening to other groups, I only remember like half the songs on an album cause they sound so similar to me, but txt's sound is so distinct, even when they experiment so much. I personally don't see how their music could be 'generic' when they have songs like eternally, frost, fairy of shampoo and more, but ig that's your opinion
OMG YES U STAN MCND AND SNAPPED HARD TALKING ABOUT WOOJIN I SUBSCRIBED!!!!
edit: i forgot about saying smth about loona but the thing that i love about them is their predebut era of introduing each members that took them 2 years. each of the members has their own solo and in subunits waaay before they debut (the fact that one solo song and subunits differs from one another is immaculate). they also have their own lore that makes them have high level of engagement and also ties into their predebut project. since the predebut project was big, it caused their company to kinda go bankcrupt atm lmao. the reason why ppl were spamming "stan loona" back in 2018-2019 with the exploading memes is bc at that time there were upsetting news about them possibly disbanding. now they have risen and im so happy for them. (i do agree on ppl who are annoying on twt doing it but most encounters are ppl who does it in a funny way to trolls with no bad itentions).
i felt bad for mina in the first place seeing that she got bullied for 10 years, but seeing her constantly trying to get the issue alive again just made me lowkey sus. and now that she claimed that she got ab*sed and the ab*ser was allegedly a celebrity (bc she stated he was famous) then taking her words back and saying that he's "famous for his b*llying" and that she just wanted to focus on the died down b*lllying issue of j*min doesn't really sit right with me now.
^but i do hope that she's doing well in her career and also her mental and physical health.
Do you not count seventeen in best 3rd gen bg list
I mean they are also not generic, they have great vocals, great stage presence, great choreo, they produce their music themselves
I was just curious i never saw you talking about them, or you just only talk about your favorites don't take it as rudeđ, I'm just curious â€
You got spicy opinions and we love someone who speaks their mind. I'll give my opinion no one asked for on the ones I want to lol
Stays never liked Woojin: Agree. Woojin was the least popular member by far and what you said holds true imo. Ppl took accusations and ran with it even if they were eventually proven to be lies. Hope his mental is okay tbh. Ik felix posted on insta with the believe in stray kids #8 around the same time as this was going on and that validated a lot of ppl in their thinking of woojin.
Toxic ARMY same as Toxic Blink: Every fandom has toxic fans but Blinks/ARMYs are notorious since they have giant, international fanbases. Ignore toxic ppl, I don't need that negativity.
Big3 Talent: The Big 3 are the top of the top when it comes to Korean music entertainment. To simply get in means you're talented. Also prolly based on strict looks too so there's some unfairness in that regard.
Educated Idols: Really interesting point. I agree though. It continues to happen time and time again and generally no ramifications occur for it. Ppl still sweep it under the rug mostly.
Idol sex: Lol this is so funny to me. Yes they prolly are but it'd weird me out if they weren't tbh. Most idols are young adults in their sexual prime and they're all good looking so it makes sense. Maybe they have like NDA's with ppl so they don't spill LOL
Fourth gen groups: I listen to Cravity so this one hurt a bit D: but i get it. I like the members and they carry the group for me. Their music is generic at best and honestly some b-sides I think could do better as the title track (Jumper/Believer/Ohh Ahh), but I'm biased. But I hope it evolves as time goes on since they're still rookies and have been around for like 7 months rn. Of course, groups like SKZ and Ateez were really diverse in their music at the same point in their careers too. It prolly comes from the fact that SKZ and Ateez are self-produced while Cravity isn't as far as I know, but idk maybe I'm just making excuses.
Jungkook change: Agree. If he was the same person from debut as to now I'd be worried tbh. Ppl naturally change as they get older and the same applies to him.
Mina AOA: I thought this was about Twice Mina I'm so dumb. Definitely manipulative later on like you said. In the beginning I think it was genuine but later I think she wants revenge.
you have every right to share your opinions lol
Definitely, I agree with giving rookies time to find their ground. It takes time to find their real style and to evolve. And opinions do change and chances are my opinions about 4th gen boy groups might change overtime. I'm a Gemini, I change my mind faster than lightning đbut more importantly I am open to changing my mind. Thank you for sharing your views by the way. đ
This is amazing! I screamed so loud at the "idols have sex" thing. As a type of kpop stan who always voluntarily smacked out delulus and oppa is mine stans i heartly agree on this on. Some of them obsessed bitches still even treat the maknae of the group as a baby didn't realize they be growin up. They can date, they could smoke, they can be doing it. Just stop dreaming, the reality hurts and y'all know it so just stop and accept the crap.
Like Jungkook wasn't the only one who changed, V changed, Jimin changed ,jhope changed. In short they all changed ,as in matured they can't act like little boys anymore every single time. Its just that the maknae line especially JK really showed cause they were soooo young imagine a 15yr old being a star. Look at miley wouldn't it be creepy if she still acted like she was 15. It would be creepy
Very creepy
Listening to this "old" video of yours and I find myself agreeing with everything... Expecially about Woojin, Everglow vs Itzy, Monsta X being the best 3rd gen group!! And I really can't find any boy group of this 4th gen that catch my liking :( they all seem the same to me musically speaking..
My opinion: Mina isn't manipulative, she's traumatized. I'm pretty sure that explains most of her behavior. Anxiety, PTSD, immense fear - she's acting irrationally because this has affected her mental health to such an extent that we may not even comprehend. I cannot even imagine what it must feel like to be severely bullied and assaulted for an entire decade. Maybe she is seeking approval and sympathy from others via the internet, but that just backfires more and more, deteriorating her health even further. I hope that she will be okay and will heal.
Hey, so have your opinions changed after the news that mina lied about mostly everything? Im curious to know
@@plasticlope7995 yes, they did. I'm very disappointed with her and this entire situation. I'm also confused if jimin did actually bully mina all this time or did mina dramatize everything. currently I'm not supporting neither of them and honestly trying to distance myself from this entire situation.
"They could be doing this (sex) with each other you never know. ."
Girl, my gay kpop heart just got fed. Thank you XD
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i LOVE your statement regarding the woojin situation! you talked about facts and facts only. i fully agree with everything you said
The truth is a minority of the kpop community is actually toxic... and it's annoyingly infuriating...
Yes!
How kpop fans praise their faves:
Step 1: bring up BTS
I've been an army for almost 5 years now and I love monsta x too and I never knew there was any beef between the two fandoms. This is news to me honestly.
Oh also if what you said is true abt armys hating on monsta x bc I.M. said he wouldn't make an english song a couple of years back and are using that against them then i'm very disappointed. Whoever said that are real hypocrites bc Jungkook literally did the same in regards to his tattoos. He said via live that he'd never get tats bc he love his body pure but years later he has the most tats in bts. There's nothing wrong with that but my point is, people change and that's not fair.
What she's saying is bs. I can assure you that a majority of the fandom either dont know monsta x, ignore them or casually listen to them as well (myself included). There is no beef other than the typical random insults thrown here and there between fan accounts.
Jungkook has always loved tattoos and have said that he'd love to get them in earlier days. We also have a running joke about it involving Yoongi. He has never said he disliked tattoos. Also about MX, most people didn't know them/ignored them. The only ones who started beef with was towards BB and radio play for being xenophobic.
@@abhilashajainbr yes, he did say he love them and he'd love to get them but he said he decided not to because his skin is too precious...you could see it in this live at 40:09
czcams.com/video/8pjVzFp_BqU/video.html
My point was that, he could like and want something but not get it even if he could bc other reasons outweighs the wants and it's also alright if he changes his mind in the future (as he did) bc humans emotions and wants are always changing.
@@queeniemelody6992 Honestly I didn't know about this but I also don't know what made him comment that. Thank you for the video.
Watching this video after Garam, I have the exact same thoughts about Fearnots as your opinion about STAYS.
well i believe Ateez and SKZ really charm me but what i like about TXT the most is their diversity
Army be in everybody business but their own but when other fandoms rightfully defend themselves for celebrating their own faves, armys are the victims
itâs the other way around actually. yâall be dragging bts and kekeing but when we wanna defend our faves weâre the bad ones. armys ARE the victims
Y'all are acting like only armys do toxic things literally every k-pop fandom has immature fams
26:02 âAnd Oneus on occasionâ
You mean *And Oneus all of the time because they have never released a bad song and thereâs no changing my mind đđđ
Boy wtf are you doing watching my old cringey content đđ
Youâre one of my favorite K-POP CZcamsrs
Thank you for the great video đ
well JungKook will become adult of course and so will he not have nature and behaviour changes when he is maturing? no he will have changes he was 15 when he debuted and i'm 15 going on 16 this year and i know how u are when you are 15 and how u will be at 23-24 because my sister has matured and my parents say so tooo....also mannn why should V or Jnugkook still act like babies and like teenager when they are grown adult men....its ridiculous to say that they changed well don't u change when u become a teenager from a kiddo and an adult from a teenager huhhh
When i heard 4th gen bg are boring, i was boiling to know if you would say that Oneus is one of them, because it would have been weird if you considered their music and universe boring.
I mean txt have a different style song during every comeback, their discography is so diverse and their story line too so I think TXT too and ofc oneus.
2nd gen fans are so biased bc of nostalgia, and that nostalgia is so powerful like⊠disney adults are a perfect example of that. some people hold on to the âgood old timesâ so and become angry that itâs over, so angry that they canât cope with whatâs happening in the present.
I think the reason why there's the huge hype around Loona is because their predebut content, especially discography, is incredible. As an Orbit I think that their appeal is the concept (and I mean group concept and not concepts of the individual comebacks). However, I totally respect that they aren't for everyone and it pains me that the stan Loona meme has been detrimental in the long run when it comes to Loona and Orbit's reputation (although I got into Loona because of it, so it was kind of effective at the time).
I like the way that you hype up Monsta X