Vision Decision | The Steve Dangle Podcast
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- On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast,
00:00 The Leafs lose in Game 7, again
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1:09:00 The Battle of Alberta is officially happening
1:17:30 The Battle of Florida is officially happening
1:23:00 The Canes will play the Rangers
1:33:00 The Avs will play the Blues
1:39:00 The Islanders hire a new head coach and Vegas fires Peter DeBoer
1:46:00 Steve did another Red Dead live stream
Originally aired: May 16, 2022
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Leafs last year: ”We would have won with Tavares”
Leafs this year: ”How can we trade him?”
i think they should fire babcock
Leafs this year: Damn officiating and damn us having to face the lightning.
It's just excuse after excuse with this fanbase.
@SumOfIt every team gets bad calls in the playoffs. In. Every. Sport. Quit whining.
@@glaxko2 i have not watched the leafs series, but the officiating in the oilers series was a joke - LA got away with murder, and the most hilarious soft calls were called on the oilers. Maybe you should open your eyes a little and stop confusing excuses with simple facts.
@@B2Roland yes, and some teams get far more than others, stop whining, right ? Also american teams' players pay less taxes, and have better weather (which makes having ice stadiums there an eco desaster, but who cares).
Everybody stop whing ! Let's rape this fine planet !
Betting portion ends at 1:04:13 :)
1:09:00 is when the immediate follow up ad reads ends
How tf is an ad read 5 minutes ling
Just to be clear, the penalty on Holl was announced before the commercial break. The penalty on Giordano for puck over glass was announced after the commercial break.
Edit: I see Jesse corrected himself a little later.
Yeah. And you can hear the whistle right before Tavares scores. I’m surprised no one heard that
The annual tradition of CJ unpacking a Leafs first round exit.
Can't wait for it.
"They haver all these goalies, one of them is gonna hit"
Last time I heard that was when we had Pogge, Tellqvist and Tuukka Rask in the system at the same time, and well, one of those definitely hit....
God damn JFJ....
With being a Devils fan, and discovering the SDPN during last year's playoffs, I adopted the Leafs as my playoff team this season. I watched every "Watch a Leafs" playoff game. I died when that goal got called back.
cringe
@@jackharris5518 yes you are
I get that it's a "soft" call but Adam saying "I don't think this should be a penalty in the playoffs EVER" rubs me the wrong way.
Man was complaining (in my mind, rightfully so) about the fact that there are two rulebooks. Now he adds "in the playoffs" when he says this shouldn't be a penalty.
People are only bothered by the “two rule books” when it doesn’t go their teams way.
As a MN fan, one thing I learned about St. Louis is how good Colton Parayko is. Watching him 6 games within a two week timeframe, made me pay way more attention and the guy is just a beast back there.
You guys will win the Cup next year. Guarantee it.
@@imthebeatplug_8319 Never say never. Anything can happen in the NHL playoffs. Look at Wayne Coito and Will the Autograph Guy Cooper of Canoga Park. They got rings!! Tons of em!!
I was watching Steve's stream and saw the pick and heard the whistle, so my reaction was almost the opposite in that I was saying "wait they can't have scored they just blew it dead as Tavares got to the slot." The fact that the pick, call and goal were all of 2 seconds apart just made it so chaotic for anyone watching.
I cheered, then said what? Watched the replay and shook my head as I knew it was a pick 😂🤦🏻♂️ def a penalty and def not the reason they lost.
If JT heard the whistle, didn't shoot, moot points.
If that's illegal then the nhl is softer than the nba
Can't help but wonder how this conversation is going if JT just misses wide or goes off the post and the Leafs go on to kill the penalty anyway. I feel like a lot of Leafs Nation are treating it as if he had a goal taken away when it's not the case - play was dead before he even got the shot off.
@@violetbluejay yes his goal was literally taken away. It shouldn't have been a penalty for the ref to even try to stop play in the first place! Also one of Tampas goals was scored by holding reily which is interference according to your logic yet that wasn't called
Hey Adam, it was a pleasure meeting you at the game buddy (I'm the dude that by accidently called you Jesse). The loss hurts but this team played well, with different officiating, things could have easily gone in our favor.
The Leafs fanbase is delusional. They just can't see the flaw of this team. This Tampa team is way weaker than the championship team of last year and yet Leafs still cannot beat them. Good teams overcome these "penalty" issues, while bad ones just complain and lose which is the case of the Leafs.
Sorry guys. The Red Mile was around in 2004. I went to high school on 17th Ave in Calgary and I remember hearing people cheering outside at night.
Pittsburgh also started their outdoor screen during playoffs in 2007, so I'm not really sure where Jesse is coming from here. And I'm sure there are other teams that have done it earlier too
Oh man.... Steve going through Tampas draft picks and casually passing over Brett Howden and Libor Hajek when those picks turned into Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller (who turned into Blake Coleman).
As a Rangers fan.... Pain.
Thank you so much again, guys. I was very sad after the loss in game 7 and thought about selling off all my gear but after listening to the CJ Show and seeing Steve’s reactions on CZcams I am ready to do it again next October!! Go Leafs
Don't do it
Thanks, Matt! Haha can’t quit now.
Wait.. Does Jesse really think Leafs fans invented fans watching the game outside the arena?
Leafs did everything first! They are the most original!! Including getting eliminated in the first round
After watching it what burns is the reason Paul was open to score the first goal was Tampa held someone at the blue line. That said what Holl did was too blatant. If he stops like 2 feet sooner and doesn’t actually hit him he still gives Tavares the space to score and doesn’t take the penalty
The Oilers do have La Bamba. Occasionally the Condors, their AHL team, also does it, but our main win song is Buck Owens' song Streets of Bakersfield.
*Mo Bamba*
My favorite is palat was picked 207 overall. Johnson and gourde were undrafted. Yzerman was great at scouting and development. I hope JBB is just as good.
Seeing how Detorit has gone over the past few years, I think the real secret weapon for Tampa is Al Murray.
Tampa learned after the first couple games that anything near the puck was gonna be called and they adjusted. Leafs did not. Did that cost them the series? Maybe a goal or two at least in the last 3 games which very well could have altered the outcome had we not taken those penalties
11:15 Adam Neolib Wylde. What makes Steve's streams so great is that he is there the whole way through - watching along with all of us and talking during the breaks. Running tedious and generic ads would just ruin the experience.
this is a reach and a half bro. take ur meds.
Yeah, it's obvious he's gotten totally money obsessed in the last few months. It's a dangerous game, imo. A lot of criticism has been targeted at SDPN for their ad increase, not the least those bet ads which a lot of people have a problem with. I still enjoy the show, of course. And the guys absolutely have a right to make money off of it. But there's always a point where too much is too much. The internet is becoming as bad as TV. Ads have become so prevalent, just looking up has become nauseating.
@@redheron4321 oh no our youtubers want to make a living and be comfortable in life. grow up
agreed 100% - betcha he wouldnt say that if he was just a spectator
@@pumpkinpie5531 it's not a uncommon thing have you watched a single official eSports event
If only we hadn't traded Cody Ceci. I mean he had the game winner in Edmonton.
He's been our best defenseman all year hahah
If only the Leafs could be in the Pacific division.
@CJ I can't draw you a picture to explain to you, sorry. Nothing in your comment was relevant to mine. The pacific sucks. Full stop. Draw your own narratives outside of involving me.
@@kamibains7259 uhhhh is this serious he has shown up in the playoffs but was basically a scared pylon in the regular season bro.
@@paulstrife dude cj is right. Lmao
Dude straight up set a pick and interfered. Penalty is a penalty. Take the L and move on.
Greetings from Edmonton, I love you all and hope this off season goes by fast
"Well....BETTER LUCK NEXT YEAR"-that one coach from Happy Gilmore
Love you guys, and love the Network.
The lightning has had fans cheering outside the arena since 2004 when we won our first cup.
Source: I was there
But remember! Toronto did everything first!! Including getting eliminated first
5:08 Was Toronto doing it before 2011? I don't recall it, but I could be wrong. I DO remember Vancouver doing it. There were huge screens set up downtown during the finals, that drew huge crowds. If Toronto was doing it before 2011, then I stand corrected.
I’m glad you guys are taking this as well as you are. The Leafs should be proud of the way they took the Lightning to 7. It’ll be interesting to see where things go from here.
So, are we going to get "Watch an Avs Game with Producer Drew?"
on the interference call to holl i think the only reason it was called a penalty is because it led directly to a goal. the pick gave tavares open space in the slot and if you listen the whistle is blown immediately, i don’t think it had much to do with stamkos but that’s my opinion.
100%. Lots of people seem to be using selective bias when looking at that play. I immediately knew it was a penalty even before the ref put his hand up. It was such a blatant pick that you can't call it.
10:37 Guys, it wasn't just setting a pick, it was setting a pick that a goal was scored on. That might not have been a call if it was mid ice, or some random play. It was a pick that a goal was scored on. If the roles were reversed, and Maroon ran a pick and Point scored, and that goal was waived off, you wouldn't have been cheering the call? There is NO doubt in my mind you would have said it was the correct call because a goal was scored on that play.
I would've cheered the call, then said "man, we got lucky on that one." It's a ticky tacky penalty, but sure a penalty in the regular season.... but so were the other like 7 interference penalties that effected possession before it... yet they called none of those. If you're going to say its a playoff, whistles in the pocket style game.... then actually call it that way. Don't just decide at certain points to switch it up. Consistency is all I want.
@@KS-xk2so Penalty leading to a scoring chance is always going to be called. That is the golden rule of play-off hockey at any level that you play at. It was a clear blatant penalty that lead to scoring chance & goal so it was called.
@@gaikokuhito5574 Why didn't they make the call on the obvious hold done to Bunting before the Lightning scored their first goal then? That led to a goal right after? Game was a dumpster fire from an officiating standpoint, pure and simple.
@@KS-xk2so becuse refs are human, and they miss stuff.
@@gaikokuhito5574 Check my reply. While I agree with your mindset - that wasn't exactly how it went in the series.
Hey, hey...is that the great visionary I see there?!
O'Neil made CJ look a fool on overdrive today...was so great!
Best Leafs team in a longgg time, just need some tweaks. The team had 115 pts and ended up facing Tampa Bay in the first round. Unlucky. Good Series but this coming year is a huge one for the entire organization, they need to get over the hump and win a series. Just some tweaks but they are a great team. If it's another loss in the first round next year then blow it up.
Unlucky? No, that the playoff seeding now. Tampa and Florida will be right there again waiting for Toronto next April. Nothing anyone can do about it.
Excuses excuses lmao
This loss hurts, but I'm less depressed than last year. They were so close and gave the bolts a hard series. This wasn't a choke job, just a fair close loss.
We need new coaching imo.
But hey, the battle of Alberta is gonna be amazing to watch so there is that.
It feels like yesterday people were yelling to hire keefe. Why do you think they need new coaching?
You’re not wrong, but the issue is the leafs have put themselves in a position where a hard fought series that they came as close as possible to winning, against the best team of the league STILL isn’t good enough, had they won in previous years like they should have this would be fine, but they didn’t and it is not
I feel like Keefe has troubling line moves
@@michaeldilley2544 Not sure about the original post, but the Leafs breakout was constantly taken advantage of by Tampa and never really adapted, their PP and PK systems seemed to have issues without much adaptation as well. It's always hard to judge coaching as an outsider because maybe it was execution errors and not system errors, but there were certainly "coaching problems" that popped up.
@@RG-lr4pk you didn't watch the series obviously. This was far from a choke.
Can the team you cheer for beat Tampa in the playoffs?
Imagine being the higher seed, having a 3-2 series lead, losing in 7 after only scoring 1 goal, and walking away from that game feeling like "well, at least we didn't get embarrassed so not only do I feel totally fine, I feel good".
I swear, being a Leaf fan must genuinely be hell.
What team do you cheer for?
Are they gonna beat Tampa?
@@awesomematthews1238 lol forget tampa, I don't even know if my Blues are gonna beat the Avalanche this round. But I'll tell you what, I'm not gonna be delusional and act like this season was a success or a "good step forward" if we take 1 game off of them after we got swept by them last season.
That's my point; I'm not taking shots at the Leafs themselves, I'm taking shots at delusional Leafs fans who act like this season wasn't a failure despite losing in the first round yet again, and despite being a top-5 team most of the season and being the higher seed, simply because this defeat wasn't as embarrassing as last year's or the year prior's.
I was hoping one of this or Steve's LFR to have the title "Mirage" 😭
Infinite Loop would work too.
Also, remember that Florida has no state income tax, so players with Tampa Bay and Florida can afford to take a little less and still take home the same amount of money.
20 million being paid to two guys to only get an assist each in game 7. Money well spent.
If you're making a list of reasons they lost, Matthews and Marner are FAR down that list.
But no one cellys like Matthews. And Marner didn't put the puck over the glass this year! Positives! :P
I think part of Markys problem was he is a better goalie when he faces a lot of shots and shots were so inconsistent that it looked hard for him to stay sharp.
Doubling down with this take is absolutely incredible lol
The worst move would be giving jack a long term deal.
Montreal actually started it all with the "fan jam" like 15 years ago guys..
How are these guys fooled by the goaltending? Jack Campbell is not on par with Vasilevskiy or Price. You have to look at the high-danger save percentage. Just look up the Toronto Star article on this. Final two games, Vasilevskiy had a .933 HDSV% while Campbell was at .773 HDSV%
We don’t have any words and we know you don’t want to hear them.
We understand your anger, your frustration, your sadness. Everything you’re feeling - we get it.
This isn’t the ending we imagined, and certainly not the one we wanted. Thank you for being there the entire way.
Do anyone but lightning fans even recognize this? 😂
@@staceypagliarini398 As a Flyers fan, I can for certain the answer is yes.
(I know my team is trash, words can't hurt me worse than they have)
5:20 "We did that" (About Toronto having outside square to watch matches). This is total nonsense. Soccer fans have gathered for ages to squares watching their teams in Europe and elsewhere. Then North American sports teams including Toronto adopted it. Educate yourselves.
Tired Tampa team. Still Couldn't beat them...
Class. You guys are class.
"Former cup champ Blues haven't changed much"
Adam completely ignoring the fact Blues got swept by the Avs in the last year's playoffs.
What kind of a drug is Adam smokin?🤔🤔🤔
The fire pit looked crazy the other night.
I assume that’s what Calgary calls their outdoor space.
Also.
I don’t remember it going to commercial on Saturday before the goal got called back. Watched live on SN 4K
Bolts fan, and Toronto simply came up against the one team in the first round that can give them problems everywhere on the ice. I honestly believe they take out every other team in the East. No shame in this one, fellas, keep your heads up and hope the organization doesn't do anything drastic. That team is SO close.
as a canucks fan Jt miller would be a perfect fit on the leafs. i don't know how they get it done but he's exactly what the leafs need to win.
His price is too insane, Nucks like him too. Its Garland leafs are going after, Rutherford has no love for him and he plays hard despite being small.
I agree. Nylander for Miller
@@awesomematthews1238 you’d have to throw in more stuff a one for one trade would just be a bad trade for the nucks
The leafs need a top 4 D man. Without moving the big 4.
@@RyanJ8 i would argue the can probably trade out a big 4 get another top 6 forward in return who might be a slight downgrade but on a better deal and upgrade on defense by getting a top 2 d man and maybe giving up a prospect.. i floated the idea of from devils standpoint utilising a sign and trade and giving up bratt and siegenthaler or even graves for some1 like marner and a pick or prospect and making the salaries match up to even up the trade. probably wont happen but something outside of the box HOCKEY trade has to happen from dubas, thats all really. they arent far off. although i think Keefe is gone, because he has to take the bullet sadly
The details in the Defensive end are what win series and cups. Hedman, Cernak, McDonagh, Sergachev is a pretty dam good top 4.
Love you guys. Canada represent!
Can sdpn out together a compilation of all the called and non called “picks” during the series or in all the playoffs games or ever?
Did Adam actually acknowledge that it was interference and then in the next breath say, "Thats why I felt it shouldn't have been a penalty"???
Yes it shouldn't have. Picks should be allowed in the nhl. Even the nba isn't as soft as that lmao
Oh, God, Adam...are we going to make the "the trap kills hockey" argument again? Or is it just "the trap kills The Leafs, so it's bad"?
Seriously, when you have Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander and Reilly, if you can't beat "clogging the neutral zone" then maybe your team just isn't that good, after all.
But blame "the trap" for a Leafs team with no guts?
Wait legit question, when does he say the trap or 'clogging up the neutral zone' is killing hockey? Because I know he said it killed the leafs but I don't remember him saying it kills the whole game. I think it was mostly a critique of the leafs ability to break thru the bolts blueline
No direct statement, just an implication/inference of an argument made by disappointed Canadian fans for two decades, now.
If a Canadian team loses, and the other team is playing defensive hockey, then it is bad. If a Canadian team does it and wins, then it's just "good hockey" or "great discipline".
If it happens to the Leafs, then it's just plain cosmically unfair, or if Montreal does it for two decades, then it's "classic strategy".
How about playing a little chip and chase and winning some physical battles? Or, right -- 10-million-dollar-plus pretty boys don't do that.
It would have been a critique is he expanded upon the remark; instead, he left a little hint and then let it hang in the air.
@@matthewnoto9380 yeah gotta say, no offense, but I got no such implication from him when be said that. Of course he sounded peeved about how they played, he wanted the Leafs to win, but he also said this was the best game 7 the Leafs have played in recent memory. It isn't a Canadian thing, its a fan thing. Also they as a group talked about how Tampa (a la the winning LA Kings teams) grind down their opponents as well as score big goals... I'm really unclear on what you're mad at, it seems kind of like you just don't like Adam.
Not mad, JSK. The reaction is predictable, and for that reason, it's annoying. If the Leafs lose, it must be because there was something wrong with the game, or the other team, and not that they suck.
We get the same thing down here in New York when the Yankees are on the receiving end. Past a certain point, the whining gets annoying. If it weren't for whining about the Leafs, TSN would have no reason to exist , either (yes, we get TSN down here).
Adam doesn't have to elaborate: he just has to put the thought in everyone's head and they get what he means. Leafs fans, especially, are predisposed to think it, anyway.
As for "best game 7 he's ever seen", well, he's a young man and hasn't seen too many of them, I reckon. I'm guessing he forgot when Boston came back from a 4-goal deficit in Game 7 to beat the Leafs, too, and that was only a few years ago.
That was a great game, as well.
Otherwise, no hate here> I love Toronto (been there numerous times), love Canada, as well. Hate the bellyaching Leafs fan, though.
0:01 STEVE! If you're a streamer: TEND THE MIC!
Ok like what is Jesse on about when he said Zib and Kreider finally showed up in game 7. Zib had 11 points in 7 games. Zib had a 4 point night in game 6 and 8 points in total before game 7. Kreider had 6 points going into game 7. Like wow what misinformation
I’m a lot less angry than past years, more sad. Which sucks even more. Proud of the boys but man, this sucks. Thank you guys for always being there for us leaf fans with the laughs and the insight. Leafs forever.
1 loud night and 3 average nights in Boston or Montreal erases two decades of non existent atmosphere 😂😂 okay boys whatever you need to do to feel better today 😂
Jesse’s rant about picking St. Louis was so funny! I had St. Louis beating Minnesota on my bracket, and I didn’t even second guess it. I do have them losing to Colorado here in my bracket, but I’m wondering if that’ll be a mistake. This all pains me as a Blackhawks fan lol. Also I got 7 out of 8 series correct in the first round! Only wrong pick was I thought Boston would beat Carolina.
No one show Jesse the outdoor broadcasts during the Canucks 2011 almost run...
Moral victories the podcast lmaooo
2 out of 3 Hart Trophy finalists were the best players in their team’s game 7s. That’s pretty neat.
Tampa's been doing the outdoor watch area literally for 10 years in Thunder Alley, and I know because I've been there for SEVERAL playoff games. Not sure if we started it, but you guys certainly weren't the first one to have an outdoor crowd.
Not sure I agree with Adam’s take that the Avs are similar to Leafs in their playoff chokes. Avs weren’t even supposed to make playoffs in 18 and were Wild Card. In 19 they knocked off first place Flames. Really just in the 2020 bubble and last year against really good Vegas team are situations where Avs didn’t meet expectations. Hardly a long history of playoff disappointments. Adam also said in a prior podcast that Carolina has had difficulty getting out of the second round. They got to ECF in 19 so it’s really just been the past two seasons where that was the case.
U wanna hear something funny though (barring this season) hopefully Colorado
makes it. Check the last time Avs and Leafs made conf finals. This is what Adam meant
@@Rooz247 ok sounded to me like he was talking about recent history. Maybe Adam needs to drink less caffeine? Man is he hyper. Even his twitter pic is of him shaking. 😂
As a Colorado fan,who was pulling hard for you guys...I only hope we don't become the Leafs of the 2nd round here soon. If we don't beat St Louis, that's basically what we are. I initially picked TB in 7 in my bracket. But after game 6,I changed my mind...I really thought TB was slightly better,& would win game 7. But the hockey gods can be so cruel.
But in the end,a few things that crossed my mind...I think actually turned out to be true. After game 6,you guys were so happy,& encouraged,cuz Vasilevsky had given up at least 3 goals in every game. You guys took that as a positive sign,but it was the 1 thing that gave me pause. Cuz I don't care how great of a season Szerkin had,I maintained all along that Vasilevsky is the greatest goalie on earth,& it's not really close til somebody does some serious things, especially in the playoffs. I looked at it like,the best goalie on earth could be due to dominate game 7,& as usual-it happened. Dude has given up 1 goal,the last 5 or 6 chances he's had to eliminate an opponent.
Also,as much as the Leafs defense has improved...they still aren't quite good enough. Steve sang their praises all season,but all along I thought they merely improved from not good a few years ago,to basically average today. When I look at my Avs blueline,or TBs...Toronto has neither the star power up top,(Avs have 2 guys who are top 5-10 dmen,Makar,& Toewes)but maybe more importantly-the elite defenses are just far deeper. If I was Toronto,I would NOT overreact,& start firing the gm,or coach...or just trading people for change sake. But if I could trade Nylander for a top 4 dman,I'd certainly consider it. Dmen are more valuable obviously than a winger,so ya probably couldn't trade him straight up for somebody worth it,but if you packaged him...you have a glut of offensive forwards,but not quite enough on the back end. I think that will the difference between my Avs,& St Louis. Most of the matchups on paper are close,but the 1 major advantage either team has,is the Avs blueline is just so much better,& deeper than St Louis also. If healthy the Blues backend is merely average. But they aren't even healthy-doesnt sound like Krug is gonna be back anytime soon.
But I really felt for you guys,cuz this just wasn't anything remotely the same as choking to Montreal,or Columbus...teams you were way better than. And as Adam said,if you wanna win in the playoffs,you must succeed at the format in place. But let's be honest,the NHL playoff setup is completely ridiculous...the same setup that forced Colorado,& Vegas to play last year in the 2nd round,after TYING FOR THE PRESIDENTS TROPHY! And the 2nd problem is you just happened to play in the deepest conference I've ever seen 1 through 8,since I started closely following the NHL in 1995. And amazingly enough,your particular division is even tougher than the conference as a whole. What really happened in the end,is 2 top 5 teams had to play 1st round,& while I'd say you slightly outplayed TB over the course of the series,you lost by 1 goal in a coin flip series, somebody had to lose. I said beforehand, the winner of Toronto-TB would play my Avs in the Finals...where I have TB 3 peating by beating my Avs. But I really was pulling hard for you guys.
But while I agree that NHL officiating is not good...that has almost nothing to do with why the NHL isn't on the same level as the NFL,or NBA. There are several reasons why it's not near as popular in America,but officiating is not 1 of them, despite what Steve said. You guys live in a hockey crazed city,& country...where officiating could be what has turned off the few people who gave up hockey. But that's largely not true in America. How do I know this,cuz NFL officiating is very similar to the NHL. It's just not very good on balance,or very consistent in either sport. But it's also similar in that basically every team gets screwed...you can't determine beforehand,or by market size who will get shafted. But NBA officiating is far worse than either sport. Biggest differences is NBA refs have far more direct impact on the result of the game,just by the nature of the sports. And while I don't believe these games are fixed or anything like that...there should be no doubt the best players,& marque teams get every benefit of doubt from NBA refs. Go watch the 4th qtr of Lakers-Kings,WCFs,game 6 in 2003,for the most egregious example. But all ya have to do is watch how somebody like Giannis is officiated...no other player gets the same calls. NBA just gives most benefits of doubt to guys,& teams like that...& it affects the popularity of the sport in America very little.
Sometimes in hockey,certain calls directly impact the outcome,the Tavares disallowed goal in game 7 being a perfect example. But on balance,refs in hockey have nowhere near the impact on the outcome,that basketball refs have. We often see games where 1 team gets way more PPs,but nobody scores on any of them. Obviously,that still can indirectly impact the outcome,if you are spending a bunch of time shorthanded. But in basketball,if I give you 50 free throws,& your opponent 20...plus I foul out his 2 best players,or merely get them into early foul trouble,that will greatly impact the game every single time. Because we are intense fans,who closely follow our teams,we realize how inconsistent NHL officiating is,& it drives us nuts. But casual fans aren't not watching hockey cuz of it. It's harder anyways for a casual fan to spot a bad call in hockey oftentimes,than it is in basketball. And if bad officiating that costs teams games, really impacted the masses from watching or caring...the NBA,& NFL to a lesser degree...would be cratering in popularity. But it's just something we all have to live with,cuz these leagues clearly don't care,or even want it this way. And Steve...when have you,& Adam ever NOT THOUGHT the Oilers are underated? You've been largely a much bigger Edmonton apologist than Toronto. And usually your logic boiled down to "McDavid,& Drasaitil get all the credit,& zero blame." Edmonton deserves credit-the pressure is now off. They don't have to beat Calgary. But really all they've done is best a pedestrian LA in 7,that they are way more talented than. Quick wasn't even a good goalie this season. Had they lost,that'd be the worst gag in McDavid career,(not him personally,he was great...but as a team)-other than losing in the bubble 3-1,to a terrible Chicago team.
Dallas, Texas.
"You are on my lawn ! This is the last thing you will ever see, buddy!"
It's like the Stars play.
They don't score, but when they get scored on, they suddenly wake up and pull a gun on you....such weird culture.
Tampa drafting is top tier all those guys plus Kuch 58th overall in 2011, Palat 208th overall!!! Howden and Hajek traded for McDonagh, Bishop for Cernak, Katchouk and Raddysh for Hagel.
Ok I know he wasn't trying but most of this episode Steve nailed his Allan Walsh imitation lol
5:19 "We did that"
You can literaly google videos from Montreal in 93 & 84 with crowds outside the Forum in Atwater park through Radio-Canada (CBC)
Kreider was really solid throughout most of the series
I think I understand why this series loss is so difficult to handle if you are a Maple Leaf player, brass or fan. It’s knowing that getting by Tampa would have ensured a clear path to the Finals. None of the remaining 3 teams in the East would have been able to get by the Leafs in my opinion, meaning a possible final against Colorado. That would have been a tougher hurdle to get by as opposed to Florida, Rangers or Carolina. Getting as far as the finals means a Cup win, the emotion and drama getting there would have meant a parade in downtown Toronto for sure long weekend in July. Knowing that has to sting, HARD.
It was actually incredibly nice to see and hear how loud that crowd was for Game 7. It was a cacophony of sound. Well done TO.
With this series can we put the mcdavid and mathews comparison to bed. Yes Tampa is far better than the Kings but Quick was playing unreal this series. Nurse was suspended for game 6 and Draisaitl was playing on one leg for the last 2 games but mcdavid found a way. Not saying that mathews played bad but there are levels to this. Two things can be true at the same time Mathews is an exceptional player but he ain't mcdavid.
Two things. 1) McDavid is a beast and I think he is recognized as the best offensive player out there. 2) Edm played LA, not the same as facing TB. Edm was expected to win that series and sooner than game 7. Technically the team going down 2-3 in the series should be called out more.
That said, to date McDavid is definitely better in the playoffs than Matthews at this point.
9:27 I saw the whole thing through no commercial break (TNT/TBS) i believe where I was streaming from. From the goal to the call from Wes, no break.
No goalie , no power play and the M & M's CHOKED !!
What was holl thinking going down to pick down low...
Instead of BECOMING an option in the offensive blue-line...!!
Keefe once again is his Decision to having out there.. !!
5 years straight and all we've got I'd this stinking moral victory....lol..
Love your show but your logic on the loss is twisted. There’s no silver lining. If the better team won then we’re not good enough and can’t be satisfied with our team and approach. Because it’s not good enough…for 6 years straight. If they go back much as they are this year then we’re not good enough. Is that our brand and aspiration?
I’ll keep saying this; blow it up.
This is the FIRST YEAR the leafs in a series they were expected to contend actually played like it. That’s disgustingly bad.
Did they play close? Yes. Did they play hard? Yes. That doesn’t change anything when you still lose. And that loss is the 5th in a row in sudden death elimination (counting the play in round in 2020).
The entire argument last year was “we need results”. Well the result is still the same guys, but the argument now is “oh they played hard”.
If you lose and you don’t know what to improve, then that’s a team that is fundamentally flawed at its core.
If Kuch and Point are really injured in a bad way I don't see how they keep up if Florida just opens it up and steps on it. I guess Vassy could just steal the series tho
Best crowd since 93. Props.
Tampa has been doing their outdoor and bolts games in the park during playoffs since 2015
Okay, everyone else sees that Adam clearly doesn't like Producer Drew, right? He's spent like 5 different segments roasting him for a long time, and then at the end will say "but I love ya" as if he's joking or being sarcastic or something lol.
It's getting to the point where it's awkward. Not as awkward as the YouCanBet guy segments, but still very awkward lol. Same with Marc Methot.
Adam seems to be taking any criticisms of the Leafs on Twitter very personally.
Wow, the Canucks made the playoffs only once in the last 5 seasons and they managed to win a preliminary round and the first round. That’s more than the Leafs in the last 5 post-seasons.
They’re making me feel bad for the Leafs. And this from a Canucks fan.
By no means a lightning fan but Tampa has had Thunder alley since 2002. (Area outside to watch game)
I actually knew the goal was called back and we were getting a penalty before the commercial. My buddy didn’t and I was trying to calm his excitement down after those first few seconds.
In Edmonton and Calgary their fans are salivating, in Toronto they're fist fighting 👊🤣
Dumbest comment ever
St. Louis can absolutely win this series, but what's the deal? I feel like every series where the Avs aren't HEAVILY favored, Adam and Jesse jump on the chance to bet against them.
I saw first hand how the 2011 Sea Dogs won the Memorial Cup when they weren't suppose to because they played with heart. The following year when they were suppose to win, they didn't because they have much better talent but lacked the heart that the previous year's team had.
The '72 Summit Series, the '84 Miracle Team, etc......heart and a refusal to lose was the difference.
Dubas should've been gone last year
Truth, but the Toronto media is all essentially owned by MLSE so to them Dubas is safe
The thought that the Bloos could even be ahead for one second in this round is hilarious. Swept em last year. Avs are playing extremely good, not just the superstars but even Burky is ripping nets with wrist shots. Makar with 10pts in 4 games. First two games in Denver with the Avs fully re-acclimated at home. You can't win against a force of nature, get ready to be consumed and buried by the Avalanche.
The Blues had an abundance of injuries to their stars before the playoffs began last year. I still think the Avs get over the hump and beat them but it's not gonna be a sweep this year.
Everyone is talking about what Masai did with the Raptors, but I am old enough to remember what Pat Gillick did with the Blue Jays in 91
Why do I have to feel Suns pain here too? My hockey team is playing out of a woodshed, lay off of me.
This may be the best Eastern conference in my 3 decades of hockey fandom... and the brackets were essentially chalk. There is no shame for Boston, Washington, Pittsburgh, and Toronto.
The guy on your tight reminds me of Aria on the Subway commercial!
Is there any other sports out there that changes the way they officiate based on if it's the playoffs or not? There is a rulebook. Follow it, regular season or playoff.
I mean Pittsburghs been doing those outdoor things for years now so let’s calm down there 😂😂
For the outdoor viewing parties flames used to just open the Dome for away games not the exact same just saying the concept didn’t start with ML Square