New to 40k... I love this game!! Came from risk and searched for a game like risk but more complex. This is what i found. Currently a proud commander of a 1000pt death guard army
DUDE! i did this for 2 years with my PK in 8th too! I totally thought it was the same stats of a rokkit for some dumb reason i only figured out i gimped myself for so long cuz i called out a marine power fist having ap-3, because fist and klaws are the same, but when i checked i realized how long i had been doing this. like we need more handicaps haha
I wish the Orks played like Orks. Holding back feels so wrong but with so many armies having these bogus fight first mechanics (while orks get none for SOME REASON), it seems VERY UNFAIR. Goff WL trait should be a fight first aura CHANGE MY MIND.
Well, even Orks do have to be kunnin' and brutal than brutal and kunnin'. Even Orks know when to pull back forces and hold ground. Even holding back reserves to make one final push is something not beyond Orks to do. Though that requires a proper Warboss to all that kind of thinkin'. Leave it to the big boss to thinkin' and you doin' all the smashin'. If yer start thinkin'. I'll put my choppa into yer head. Not very orky to be thinkin'. We clear?
I was absolutely sure Orks will lose before turn 1 thanks to that AntiCharge blobs and initiative for Death Guards to make them get to objectives before orcs. What a game...
Seriously this is the best and most entertaining batrep I've ever watched. Thank you soooo much :D you have me hyped for 9th thank you :) you have a new subscriber
Won't spoil, but man that end, makes me want to build some speed freaks! I wonder how fast armies will do, looks like they will want to keep moving and trying to take objectives from slow armies but not trying to sit for to long on an objective.
Mek: OI! You Metal! You start bending and becomin' a Shoota or I'll stick yer in a place yer not goin' like. Metal: Oh? And what would that be? *Ten second later* Metal: STOP! NO! NOT THERE DO NOT PUT ME UP A GRETCHIN'S BOTTOM! NO! I'LL BE GOOD! HERE! SHOOTA! Mek: Heh. Works everytime. *Shoots the Gretchin* Shoota works! NEXT! And I need a new Gretchin assistant...ugh...lazy Gretch...oh well can't let that- (This scene has been censored by the Imperium. The Inquisition has been notified for your unlawful and heretical viewing of this comment. May the God-Emperor have mercy on your soul.)
I just found your channel a few days ago and have been watching a bunch of your videos. For a guy that hasn't played since the mid 90s it's hard not to want to build so many armies
Sacrificing 130+ points and a CP for that damage output is hardly ever more than a trade. The only reason I can see that popping up in the occasional tournament list is because Orks don't have snipers (outside of the lore :P). So that's the only way to reliably take 3 wounds out of a castled-up hero.
It's a fringe case that occurs when the enemy has 10 units within 6". How often do you have 10 units in your own aura when you intentionally set up a castle specifically to do so?
Im new to wh and im getting started with some death guard and poxwalkers. I still dont really know how to build an army or play the game, but stuff like this is great!
You do not get a free Malefic Talon attack with the demon prince. The weapon ability states that you may make one additional attack with this weapon, but only if you select that weapon. When a unit is activated in the fight phase you choose one melee weapon to fight with, period. The tyranids have tail spikes that specifically state "this is in addition to the bearer's other attacks" but no luck with the demon prince.
The rules for ruins and other area terrain says that you need to discuss the footprint of the terrain before the game to see if something is within. Thus they imply simply touching is not enough unless you agree that the footprint is a little outside the walls.
I got started with 40k with the starter death guard kit. Glad to know that they seem viable. It does kinda suck to know they rely on auras though but still cool.
A good match up as both sides are lower tier competitively and reasonably similar in the shooting/melee stakes. 40k can sometimes be a bit one sided when a heavy shooting army faces off against a heavy melee army. I’m liking the new objective focus of the game. Gets away from the ‘blow everything up’ to win mentality.
Great Bat Rep as always guys ;) I love all the changes GW have made! Really appreciate the DG showcase. Chaos need some help atm =) @54 mins - Where is the 5+ invul Noxious Blightbringer? It's not in the army list... (this feels like "I wanted to take it, but couldn't afford it" :) The 1 Power Deamon Prince cannot know Putrescent Vitality & Plague Wind... (not sure how this crept in) @2:44:45 The P'Marines have 1 Fist, 1 Flail, 1 Axe, but no Cleaver (easy forget on Fist/Cleaver. Don't think this mattered) Well done Adrian! Super swing at the end! Unlucky Brian.Pipped at the post =( Keep up the good work guys!
First, amazing video from team Tabletop Titans, nice job! That being said, the game devolving to just sitting in the middle of the table holding objectives doesn't look fun to watch or to play. This is compounded by armies that are more durable and get sit and hold objectives. I hope I am wrong as I dive into 9th, but as an Ork player, I am really disappointed with what I am seeing so far.
From all the stuff I've been watching of late Faster lighter armies like Drukari will want to pop in and out and move around the bored even more and castles will have to move and split up a bit to stay up in points. It will be different, but as the meta settles will see what comes out on top, it probably won't be CC armies. And also, that end was great.
Im fascinated by this game and especially death guards how they look and lore wise. What do you guys think about death guards as your first army/ getting into the game.
I tested this theory "killing secondaries aren't easy" Yes they completely are. In every game of 9th I've tested of melee vs shooty'. The shooty' army just shoots the other off the board and sits around racking up points. I'm not saying it's a easy game to win. I'm just saying you can build a list around just killing and be totally fine
True, you can score 45 points from killing. then the oppnent who built a list for allcomes scores 30 from his primaries and 30 from his secondaries. GG
I like this channel a lot, and maybe this is more of a stylistic choice on your part and a way of differentiating yourselfs, but I think that some more focused camera work that showed actively what was going on, on the table, would go a long way to improving these videos. Just my opinion though, love your content!
awesome bat rep. I tend to find WH videos kinda dry, but you guys did a great job of being informative and entertaining. Bravo. Question. You said you have 2 flails in your terminator unit, but your list shows only 1. Can you clarify? This is a list I'm inclined to try, as DG is my only army and i've yet to find a list I can play well.
Good catch, they indeed shouldn't count towards kill more style objectives. Here's the quote from the new Core Rules PDF: Some rules will only trigger if an enemy unit was destroyed by you, or by a model or unit from your army - this means that the last model in the enemy unit was destroyed by an attack (pg 18) made by a model in your army, or it was destroyed because it fled the battlefield (pg 23), or it was destroyed by a mortal wound (pg 19) inflicted by a rule that a model in your army is using, or it was destroyed as the result of any other rule that a model in your army is using that explicitly states that the enemy model is outright destroyed. Enemy units that are destroyed by any other means are not destroyed by you, or by a unit or model from your army.
@@MuchoBe They would count, because the models were "destroyed by a mortal wound inflicted by a rule that a model in your army is using" - the rule being the strat.
Hey Tabletop Titans! Looking forward to all the content and will ship a donation your way in the Necron video! Any chance you can share a link to the movement tray used with the orcs? Thanks in advance and keep the good stuff coming!
Hey Jason, I get my movement from our friend Tony over at Hammerhead Games: www.hammerheadgames.net/product-page/movement-trays-ten-models-32mm-bases-mdf
I will have to disagree with the whole its a shooty meta, the meta is still fresh and many tricks still to do, and finding my melee goff orks have gotten better because of the new edition, and ghaz, especially storm boyz in this edition is really good and fun to do.
I looked over your Death Guard Army List from the Description and I dont see a Noxious Blightbringer in it, was it missed or did you not have points and did not realize till after? (it happens).
Wow! Awesome batrep. Looking forward to seeing the CSM tactics video eventually. Where did you purchase those trees? I'd love to add some to my table :)
I'm curious. How to you interperate "touching" to be "on or within"? They are not the same at all. If you have a ruin defined by exterior walls then I would say you would have to be within the footprint of those exterior walls, not touching the outside of those walls.
In the live chate several arguments circle around this. Chatmaster said, they are sure touching is correkt, cause of "whithim" rules. Like you i cant see any case for touching=within. Hey Titans, I would like to see a more detailed answer here to understand this conzept/Interpretation! or a seperat video maybe :D
The rulebook on terrain rules actually say that for area terrain(ruins) you have to agree where the footprint is to know if you are within. That implies that simply touching is not enough unless you agreed on the footprint extending a little beyond the walls.
@@grinxen Exactly. I've paused the video to the overhead camera pov from before the Plagueburst Crawlers were moved. That particular terrain piece has a broken wall indicating the limits the footprint on that side and a few bits of scenic scatter slate for decoration. I'd like to know how the Titans defined that terrain piece because, based on what I can see, there is no way three massive tanks are within or on that terrain.
Goonhammer even did an article about this suggesting everyone should put the footprint along the inner wall of ruins to balance the game more. This would mean touching is not enough but actually entering the ruin with part of the base would be required. This is according to the rule to establish were the footprint is before the game.
I guess the only problem with the burna bomber is if they get shot down in your own lines and explode. Especially now that explosions can't be rerolled.
Does the bomber exploding get you VP? I thought points were only scored if the model died as a result of an attack you made, love to see the DG doing some work
Flying units don't ignore terrain when charging. "If a unit's datasheet has the FLY keyword, then when it makes a charge move, its models can be moved across other models (and their bases) as if they were not there, but they must move over terrain features (including BUILDING units) like any othe rmodel. A model that can FLY cannot finish any move on top of another model." We are back to ridiculous fly rules.
@@kieranbarnes8284 They'll need to FAQ it if they want it played that way. We've seen a couple others not get clarified, such as Da Boomer on Orks not getting the Periscope ability. Fingers crossed!
They should rename "Dense Cover" so it doesn't confuse people who actually read the rules. Under the types, both obstacles and area terrain are specific about when units "receive the benefits of cover" and I take it to mean this applies to "Light Cover" and "Heavy Cover" but not "Dense Cover," based on the wording of Dense Cover and the way you've been playing it here, also logic.
I am pumped for 9th edition but this board size thing... I hope they FAQ it soon, I just started an alpha legion army and -1 to hit outside of 12 inches just doesn't seem to matter shit anymore. Hopefully they FAQ this thing soon so alpha legion actually have a trait.
bladeguard in blood angels are just revivable better custodes lol 2+ save for stormshield, same strength as spear but better because blood angels, better ap, and still a 4+ invuln and three wounds. They are also cheaper.
I just put the death guard army together in battlescribe to try out myself and it is coming out to 2232 pt. Have the points gone up since then? What would be a good change from this army? Maybe dropping a unit of plague marines? Or a couple terminators?
Did you guys have access to the new point costs in the new Chapter Approved book comming out when making these lists? Trying to work out whether making this ork list will work when that book comes out.
@@TheDruy A good start for a list is two Burnabombers and some Mek Gunz. If you like Mek Gunz, you need those grots too! That's something to begin listbuilding.
I just started watching the video so apologies if this gets answered later in the vid, but I'm very curious how space wolves will do this edition. Do you guys have a batrep planned for them as you work your way through the factions?
It gets answered in a short response within the video, but from watching a lot of their videos I can give u a more in depth response. They say the weakness of space wolves in this edition is that they arent great at shooting, and they arent great at holding while getting shot at. Their suggestions around this are more Rhinos, razerbacks, etc... with troops inside. They mentioned the changes to heroic interventions hurting space wolves badly. They also did talk about how armor of russ is a lot better in 9th. They are planning on doing a space wolves game soon, and in this game Brian is running 30 terminators with storm shields I think. So from what I understand, you will be seeing a lot more space wolve termi's , dreadnaughts, and transports in 9th. In a different video they mentioned space marine army lists consisting of 60 assault intercessors, and I could honestly see space wolves turning into an impulsor shield dome mid board rush and hold type army. They did also mention getting some land raider crusaders in the mix for the space wolves XD.
@@tenthlegionstudios1343 thanks for the in depth answer. I'm already looking at getting my hands on plenty of assault intercessors. I'll have to get some impulsors to get them to the midfield.
I am personally hoping that the points drop on the stormfang and stormwolf since they already had move and shoot with no penalty. And the hell-frost weapons on the fliers are all blast and D3. So if a unit with 6+ models is targeted, u are going to be getting 9 shots with the gunship. I hope that this unit starts to shine, but know its not too likely. Also with the changes to morale and missions, I could see some fenrisian wolves being good again. Since you can take a huge unit and then put them in reserve then attempt to use this to establish some mid board control. The thing I dont want as a space wolves player in 9th is to use all primaris models. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Just disappointing after 8th to see SW be likely bottom tier again. Less resilient than ever, no more mobile and as mentioned, bad shooting. Impulsors apparently being nerfed as well .... 🤷🏼♂️ Edition seems like guns+/guns++
@@christopherb1913 Kinda, I think guns will be strong, but, mid-range will be better, Being able to have good shooting followed by a strong charge can break a line will be clutch in a lot of games. I think thats part of the reason why termis will be better, not only for holding an objective, but for also being able to shoot and then charge and take an objective.
I'm confused as to how the poxwalkers in the backfield were in coherency. They're clearly more than 2" away from two other models. Was this just confusion about the transition from 8th to 9th rules?
Terrain rules isn’t really the problem for these armies. Mission scoring and CP changes/army building rules hurt much more. Also if you where playing in ITC beforehand, not being able to pick and choose warlord traits, relics, vows, pacts, etc anymore is also horrible. When you combine this with the fact that knights where already on the decline in 8th, I have to say knights won’t be good in 9th.
The obscuring rule definitely hurts, but being able to fight up levels with stomps is such a big efficiency buff so there's that at least. As Andrew mentions my bigger concern is being able to score the new missions with them
So small question, since we are all learning 9e. In this table set up there are objectives in woods. From what I have read in the missions leaks, it says to place objectives before terrain. Doesn't this mean objectives should never be on a terrain feature?
Hi Adrian. During the stream you mentioned painting your defiler in neutral colours so you can use it for different legions. I’m wanting to do the same but can’t find much in terms of advice on how to do that and still have it look good. Any tips or links?
42:09 How the hell are you getting 20-30 mortal wounds? Triggering Explosive Demise via Flying 'Edbutt only causes 3 Mortal Wounds to the unit, not 3 Mortal Wounds per model in the unit.
nope. Just a couple because he forgot the noxious blightbringer in his list (shown in the video description). Other than that the points work out. And please dont use the new point values on 2 month old videos thanks! ^^
This auto played in my sleep and I woke up halfway through. I don’t even play war hammer. But ooh boy, something’s happening.
Do you wish to join war hammer?
I appreciated the added realism of trees being knocked down during the battle, very immersive.
The sheer ferocity of the Ork horde smashed 'dem trees outta der way... WAAAGHH!
The content is seriously informative. I’m learning loads already. Very impressive that you can game and talk solidly for over three hours!
New to 40k... I love this game!!
Came from risk and searched for a game like risk but more complex. This is what i found. Currently a proud commander of a 1000pt death guard army
That was an absolute nail biter of a game! Love how close these 9th Ed games are
Adrian for the next time when you are playing Orks. A Powerclaw on a Boss Nob has S10 and AP3. You played it the whole game with S8 and AP2 only
Oh snap that would have been great. Thanks for the heads up!
DUDE!
i did this for 2 years with my PK in 8th too! I totally thought it was the same stats of a rokkit for some dumb reason
i only figured out i gimped myself for so long cuz i called out a marine power fist having ap-3, because fist and klaws are the same, but when i checked i realized how long i had been doing this. like we need more handicaps haha
And 3 attack base
@@adrianmcp92 Also the Nobs have 3 base attacks :/
Loving the divided screen, another step forward 👌🏻
I wish the Orks played like Orks. Holding back feels so wrong but with so many armies having these bogus fight first mechanics (while orks get none for SOME REASON), it seems VERY UNFAIR. Goff WL trait should be a fight first aura CHANGE MY MIND.
Well, even Orks do have to be kunnin' and brutal than brutal and kunnin'. Even Orks know when to pull back forces and hold ground. Even holding back reserves to make one final push is something not beyond Orks to do.
Though that requires a proper Warboss to all that kind of thinkin'. Leave it to the big boss to thinkin' and you doin' all the smashin'. If yer start thinkin'. I'll put my choppa into yer head. Not very orky to be thinkin'. We clear?
I'm really enjoying the rules discussion while you play it really is insightful.
Best battle report and tactics channel around at present. You deal with technical and tactical options but still include some 'fun' units and choices.
I was absolutely sure Orks will lose before turn 1 thanks to that AntiCharge blobs and initiative for Death Guards to make them get to objectives before orcs. What a game...
Gotta be Kunnin' and Brutal haha
@@adrianmcp92 Nah they'd totally have lost if they were Kunnin' and Brutal... They gotta be Brutal and Kunnin'!
Don’t fo get taktikks! Hahaha
Seriously this is the best and most entertaining batrep I've ever watched. Thank you soooo much :D you have me hyped for 9th thank you :) you have a new subscriber
Great show and very usefull tips !
Just a thing : I would prefer to see more the battlefield and the models
Lost count of the number of times I screamed Deathskulls reroll, when you didn't do them 😂
Won't spoil, but man that end, makes me want to build some speed freaks! I wonder how fast armies will do, looks like they will want to keep moving and trying to take objectives from slow armies but not trying to sit for to long on an objective.
Right?!
Ah yes, "Metal Interrogation", my favorite new Mek objective ;)
Mek: OI! You Metal! You start bending and becomin' a Shoota or I'll stick yer in a place yer not goin' like.
Metal: Oh? And what would that be?
*Ten second later*
Metal: STOP! NO! NOT THERE DO NOT PUT ME UP A GRETCHIN'S BOTTOM! NO! I'LL BE GOOD! HERE! SHOOTA!
Mek: Heh. Works everytime. *Shoots the Gretchin* Shoota works! NEXT! And I need a new Gretchin assistant...ugh...lazy Gretch...oh well can't let that- (This scene has been censored by the Imperium. The Inquisition has been notified for your unlawful and heretical viewing of this comment. May the God-Emperor have mercy on your soul.)
This is my first time watching an actual game, and im an ork player and I can't say how intense it felt.
Brian was brutal, yet cunning. And Adrian was cunning, yet brutal. = P
I just found your channel a few days ago and have been watching a bunch of your videos. For a guy that hasn't played since the mid 90s it's hard not to want to build so many armies
that plane blowing up turn 1 was mental
Yes, Nerf?!
Sacrificing 130+ points and a CP for that damage output is hardly ever more than a trade.
The only reason I can see that popping up in the occasional tournament list is because Orks don't have snipers (outside of the lore :P). So that's the only way to reliably take 3 wounds out of a castled-up hero.
@@MuchoBe 130 points for 30 mortal wounds? That's insane.
It's a fringe case that occurs when the enemy has 10 units within 6".
How often do you have 10 units in your own aura when you intentionally set up a castle specifically to do so?
@@MuchoBe as a tau player? Almost every game.
Im new to wh and im getting started with some death guard and poxwalkers. I still dont really know how to build an army or play the game, but stuff like this is great!
Plague burst crawlers are good man.
You do not get a free Malefic Talon attack with the demon prince. The weapon ability states that you may make one additional attack with this weapon, but only if you select that weapon. When a unit is activated in the fight phase you choose one melee weapon to fight with, period. The tyranids have tail spikes that specifically state "this is in addition to the bearer's other attacks" but no luck with the demon prince.
Cloud of flies is at the during the movement phase not at the start. I always use it at the end
by far the best battle reports in overall quality
The rules for ruins and other area terrain says that you need to discuss the footprint of the terrain before the game to see if something is within. Thus they imply simply touching is not enough unless you agree that the footprint is a little outside the walls.
"we are just missing Raven guard and White Scars to have all the space marine factions" You have Black templars ?! :D
might have meant first founding chapters but there is a chance
man, these are the 2 armies I'm thinking about collecting and start playing 40k. Tough choice! they both seem so much fun to play and paint
John Pennino do it! It is a great hobby, very rewarding and life changing for me!
Cloud of Flies can be used anytime during your movement phase, FYI.
I got started with 40k with the starter death guard kit. Glad to know that they seem viable. It does kinda suck to know they rely on auras though but still cool.
It would be good if you put actual lists of your armies in the description. Just a recommendation :)
They're in there mate
You guys make really entertaining content, Loving the 9th edition games.
A good match up as both sides are lower tier competitively and reasonably similar in the shooting/melee stakes. 40k can sometimes be a bit one sided when a heavy shooting army faces off against a heavy melee army. I’m liking the new objective focus of the game. Gets away from the ‘blow everything up’ to win mentality.
Aren't these with the 8th Ed. points? When people talk about the Orks suffering in 9th, that's where it is (5 point Gretchin, LOL).
Wow an actual fluff DG army. Love it!
Great Bat Rep as always guys ;)
I love all the changes GW have made! Really appreciate the DG showcase. Chaos need some help atm =)
@54 mins - Where is the 5+ invul Noxious Blightbringer? It's not in the army list... (this feels like "I wanted to take it, but couldn't afford it" :)
The 1 Power Deamon Prince cannot know Putrescent Vitality & Plague Wind... (not sure how this crept in)
@2:44:45 The P'Marines have 1 Fist, 1 Flail, 1 Axe, but no Cleaver (easy forget on Fist/Cleaver. Don't think this mattered)
Well done Adrian! Super swing at the end!
Unlucky Brian.Pipped at the post =(
Keep up the good work guys!
First, amazing video from team Tabletop Titans, nice job!
That being said, the game devolving to just sitting in the middle of the table holding objectives doesn't look fun to watch or to play. This is compounded by armies that are more durable and get sit and hold objectives. I hope I am wrong as I dive into 9th, but as an Ork player, I am really disappointed with what I am seeing so far.
From all the stuff I've been watching of late Faster lighter armies like Drukari will want to pop in and out and move around the bored even more and castles will have to move and split up a bit to stay up in points. It will be different, but as the meta settles will see what comes out on top, it probably won't be CC armies. And also, that end was great.
This Batrep is amazingly well presented! FYI cloud of Flies can be put on a unit in the Movement phase not the beginning
Ooooh revisit this game. Mortarian OP!
Im fascinated by this game and especially death guards how they look and lore wise. What do you guys think about death guards as your first army/ getting into the game.
What a comeback!
I tested this theory "killing secondaries aren't easy"
Yes they completely are. In every game of 9th I've tested of melee vs shooty'. The shooty' army just shoots the other off the board and sits around racking up points.
I'm not saying it's a easy game to win. I'm just saying you can build a list around just killing and be totally fine
True, you can score 45 points from killing. then the oppnent who built a list for allcomes scores 30 from his primaries and 30 from his secondaries. GG
I like this channel a lot, and maybe this is more of a stylistic choice on your part and a way of differentiating yourselfs, but I think that some more focused camera work that showed actively what was going on, on the table, would go a long way to improving these videos. Just my opinion though, love your content!
Seeing all of these battreps coming down to the wire really makes me want to try 9e missions, when this cursed plague is gone!
awesome bat rep. I tend to find WH videos kinda dry, but you guys did a great job of being informative and entertaining. Bravo.
Question. You said you have 2 flails in your terminator unit, but your list shows only 1. Can you clarify? This is a list I'm inclined to try, as DG is my only army and i've yet to find a list I can play well.
pretty sure headbutt and other sacrificial abilities don’t count for destroy for objectives
That is my understanding of the new rules as well
Good catch, they indeed shouldn't count towards kill more style objectives. Here's the quote from the new Core Rules PDF:
Some rules will only trigger if an enemy unit was destroyed by
you, or by a model or unit from your army - this means that
the last model in the enemy unit was destroyed by an attack
(pg 18) made by a model in your army, or it was destroyed
because it fled the battlefield (pg 23), or it was destroyed by a
mortal wound (pg 19) inflicted by a rule that a model in your
army is using, or it was destroyed as the result of any other
rule that a model in your army is using that explicitly states
that the enemy model is outright destroyed. Enemy units that
are destroyed by any other means are not destroyed by you, or
by a unit or model from your army.
I think plasma self kills also don’t count.
@@MuchoBe thanks@
@@MuchoBe They would count, because the models were "destroyed by a mortal wound inflicted by a rule that a model in your army is using" - the rule being the strat.
To showcase how brutal the proposed 9th Edition points are for Orks, this list is now around 2400 points. Brutal.
Hey Tabletop Titans! Looking forward to all the content and will ship a donation your way in the Necron video! Any chance you can share a link to the movement tray used with the orcs? Thanks in advance and keep the good stuff coming!
Hey Jason, I get my movement from our friend Tony over at Hammerhead Games: www.hammerheadgames.net/product-page/movement-trays-ten-models-32mm-bases-mdf
I will have to disagree with the whole its a shooty meta, the meta is still fresh and many tricks still to do, and finding my melee goff orks have gotten better because of the new edition, and ghaz, especially storm boyz in this edition is really good and fun to do.
how the plague surgeon converts the 5+++ in 4+++??? what is he using to do that?? please somebody help me!!!
I looked over your Death Guard Army List from the Description and I dont see a Noxious Blightbringer in it, was it missed or did you not have points and did not realize till after? (it happens).
Wow! Awesome batrep. Looking forward to seeing the CSM tactics video eventually. Where did you purchase those trees? I'd love to add some to my table :)
I'm curious. How to you interperate "touching" to be "on or within"? They are not the same at all. If you have a ruin defined by exterior walls then I would say you would have to be within the footprint of those exterior walls, not touching the outside of those walls.
In the live chate several arguments circle around this.
Chatmaster said, they are sure touching is correkt, cause of "whithim" rules.
Like you i cant see any case for touching=within.
Hey Titans, I would like to see a more detailed answer here to understand this conzept/Interpretation!
or a seperat video maybe :D
The rulebook on terrain rules actually say that for area terrain(ruins) you have to agree where the footprint is to know if you are within. That implies that simply touching is not enough unless you agreed on the footprint extending a little beyond the walls.
@@grinxen Exactly. I've paused the video to the overhead camera pov from before the Plagueburst Crawlers were moved. That particular terrain piece has a broken wall indicating the limits the footprint on that side and a few bits of scenic scatter slate for decoration. I'd like to know how the Titans defined that terrain piece because, based on what I can see, there is no way three massive tanks are within or on that terrain.
I'm also curious how touching a wall let's me see past a building? What is the wording in the BRB.
Goonhammer even did an article about this suggesting everyone should put the footprint along the inner wall of ruins to balance the game more. This would mean touching is not enough but actually entering the ruin with part of the base would be required. This is according to the rule to establish were the footprint is before the game.
Pro Tip: Use a Noxious Blightbringer to make your DG a lot faster
I guess the only problem with the burna bomber is if they get shot down in your own lines and explode. Especially now that explosions can't be rerolled.
3:14:00 You played 8th moral rules.
I thought that too, might of only lost 1 or 2
Does the bomber exploding get you VP? I thought points were only scored if the model died as a result of an attack you made, love to see the DG doing some work
Flying units don't ignore terrain when charging. "If a unit's datasheet has the FLY keyword, then when it makes a charge move, its models can be moved across other models (and their bases) as if they were not there, but they must move over terrain features (including BUILDING units) like any othe rmodel. A model that can FLY cannot finish any move on top of another model." We are back to ridiculous fly rules.
I thought the orks kustom forcefield was only against ranged attacks
Amazing work!! A premium show for free!!! Beware tabletop tactics :D
Anyone know how he painted the Black Death guard armour!?? Most gorgeous death guard army I've ever seen
that ending 'doe - wow!
Can't use the strat w/ Epidemicyst Blade. The relic states that it "replaces" the sword. Strat specifically requires the sword or axe.
Thanks for the catch! It did seem like too much of an autotake lol
I suspect it still counts though, if you replace wargear with a relic i'm pretty sure its faqed somewhere
@@kieranbarnes8284 They'll need to FAQ it if they want it played that way. We've seen a couple others not get clarified, such as Da Boomer on Orks not getting the Periscope ability. Fingers crossed!
Hey, you broke you Putrefiers like I did. Ripped that needle right off on day 2. For some reason I feel better about it now. I mean if the pros do it.
Turn 3 Ork combat was like little kid flailing arm fighting.
How do you guys think night lords will do after the morale changes?
They should rename "Dense Cover" so it doesn't confuse people who actually read the rules. Under the types, both obstacles and area terrain are specific about when units "receive the benefits of cover" and I take it to mean this applies to "Light Cover" and "Heavy Cover" but not "Dense Cover," based on the wording of Dense Cover and the way you've been playing it here, also logic.
I am pumped for 9th edition but this board size thing... I hope they FAQ it soon, I just started an alpha legion army and -1 to hit outside of 12 inches just doesn't seem to matter shit anymore. Hopefully they FAQ this thing soon so alpha legion actually have a trait.
The board size isn’t getting faq’d.
We need a rematch with the new ork codex
bladeguard in blood angels are just revivable better custodes lol
2+ save for stormshield, same strength as spear but better because blood angels, better ap, and still a 4+ invuln and three wounds. They are also cheaper.
kommandos get +2 save when benefitting from cover
nice terrain
Amazing game!
1:47:00 Rolls for 6 Mek guns, not 5.
17:30mins I am seeing the new unit coherency rules not being used already. I think its pox walkers on the left doing a conga line.
19mins phew
I want to see Adrian rolling against Lawrences(spider) rolling.
Ive never seen Death guard win a bat rep.
Matt Bell this one is close enough. If DG screened from green tide, they would win.
I know you want to run entropy cannons but the grandfather says Plaguespitters are still the way. Entropy at your own peril
I just put the death guard army together in battlescribe to try out myself and it is coming out to 2232 pt. Have the points gone up since then? What would be a good change from this army? Maybe dropping a unit of plague marines? Or a couple terminators?
Did you guys have access to the new point costs in the new Chapter Approved book comming out when making these lists? Trying to work out whether making this ork list will work when that book comes out.
They are using old points. That Ork armylist would fall close to 2400 points according to leaks.
@@ilarinikkarikoski4765 Thats a shame. I was just getting back into the hobby and really liked the look of this list.
@@TheDruy A good start for a list is two Burnabombers and some Mek Gunz. If you like Mek Gunz, you need those grots too! That's something to begin listbuilding.
I just started watching the video so apologies if this gets answered later in the vid, but I'm very curious how space wolves will do this edition. Do you guys have a batrep planned for them as you work your way through the factions?
It gets answered in a short response within the video, but from watching a lot of their videos I can give u a more in depth response. They say the weakness of space wolves in this edition is that they arent great at shooting, and they arent great at holding while getting shot at. Their suggestions around this are more Rhinos, razerbacks, etc... with troops inside. They mentioned the changes to heroic interventions hurting space wolves badly. They also did talk about how armor of russ is a lot better in 9th. They are planning on doing a space wolves game soon, and in this game Brian is running 30 terminators with storm shields I think. So from what I understand, you will be seeing a lot more space wolve termi's , dreadnaughts, and transports in 9th. In a different video they mentioned space marine army lists consisting of 60 assault intercessors, and I could honestly see space wolves turning into an impulsor shield dome mid board rush and hold type army. They did also mention getting some land raider crusaders in the mix for the space wolves XD.
@@tenthlegionstudios1343 thanks for the in depth answer. I'm already looking at getting my hands on plenty of assault intercessors. I'll have to get some impulsors to get them to the midfield.
I am personally hoping that the points drop on the stormfang and stormwolf since they already had move and shoot with no penalty. And the hell-frost weapons on the fliers are all blast and D3. So if a unit with 6+ models is targeted, u are going to be getting 9 shots with the gunship. I hope that this unit starts to shine, but know its not too likely. Also with the changes to morale and missions, I could see some fenrisian wolves being good again. Since you can take a huge unit and then put them in reserve then attempt to use this to establish some mid board control. The thing I dont want as a space wolves player in 9th is to use all primaris models. Anyone have thoughts on this?
Just disappointing after 8th to see SW be likely bottom tier again. Less resilient than ever, no more mobile and as mentioned, bad shooting. Impulsors apparently being nerfed as well .... 🤷🏼♂️
Edition seems like guns+/guns++
@@christopherb1913 Kinda, I think guns will be strong, but, mid-range will be better, Being able to have good shooting followed by a strong charge can break a line will be clutch in a lot of games. I think thats part of the reason why termis will be better, not only for holding an objective, but for also being able to shoot and then charge and take an objective.
I'm confused as to how the poxwalkers in the backfield were in coherency. They're clearly more than 2" away from two other models. Was this just confusion about the transition from 8th to 9th rules?
Do you guys feel the new terrain rules will hurt Chaos/Imperial Knight players?
Terrain rules isn’t really the problem for these armies. Mission scoring and CP changes/army building rules hurt much more. Also if you where playing in ITC beforehand, not being able to pick and choose warlord traits, relics, vows, pacts, etc anymore is also horrible. When you combine this with the fact that knights where already on the decline in 8th, I have to say knights won’t be good in 9th.
The obscuring rule definitely hurts, but being able to fight up levels with stomps is such a big efficiency buff so there's that at least. As Andrew mentions my bigger concern is being able to score the new missions with them
So small question, since we are all learning 9e. In this table set up there are objectives in woods. From what I have read in the missions leaks, it says to place objectives before terrain. Doesn't this mean objectives should never be on a terrain feature?
They discuss this about 3 hours in
3:01:12
Was you using the new points? Nice batrap by the way 😊👍
I gotta ask about the death guards paint scheme 😍
Hi Adrian. During the stream you mentioned painting your defiler in neutral colours so you can use it for different legions. I’m wanting to do the same but can’t find much in terms of advice on how to do that and still have it look good. Any tips or links?
tried building this list in battlescribe (2020-10-20) and its way above 2200 shame...
42:09 How the hell are you getting 20-30 mortal wounds? Triggering Explosive Demise via Flying 'Edbutt only causes 3 Mortal Wounds to the unit, not 3 Mortal Wounds per model in the unit.
This right here! I watched this and I'm like it only does 3 MW to the UNIT not EACH MODEL in a unit. That's a huge difference.
There were like 10 units within 6 inches of where it crashed hence 30 mortal wounds.
Loving the vid guys but where is the ‘r’ in Dakka?
This deathguard list is almost 300 points over the limit.
nope. Just a couple because he forgot the noxious blightbringer in his list (shown in the video description). Other than that the points work out. And please dont use the new point values on 2 month old videos thanks! ^^
I have no idea how i got here... I fell asleep watching diorama videos
Anyone have a guide for how to paint the dark green skin of the Champion (whatever he was)?. He's dead center at 2:00.
Is it me or is the DG army list in the details different than what he is playing with? Lol. Mainly Elite section
Death guard seen legit
Are you guys gonna do a bat rep for stuff like black legion? If not whats your though on the best chaos legion for 9th outside of death guards?
So you guys said you can't advance and use Psychic powers? I can't find that rule, only that you can't fall back and use them.
Ok so with updated points the deathguard army would have to drop 4 terminators from the list. Not a big deal. The space marines got hit worse
Nice batrep. Can you tell me please where you found the Demon Prince minis? thanks a lot.
Looks like the Plague Angel from Creature Caster
Any idea what ork players are going to do now that sub-kultures arn't allowed in tournament play? Think this might effect how many lottas are taken?