No Human Needed on my First Tesla FSD V12.3.4 Drive!
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I wouldn't normally call out a 0 intervention drive when I make cuts, so I did put the uncut video here on X if you want proof that the car didn't need any help: twitter.com/DirtyTesLa/status/1778259057926717643
What do you think about this for future videos? As the car gets better, more and more of the video will be just the car driving normally. It could save time and make it more entertaining if I cut it up, and offer the full video elsewhere for those that want it.
I think your audience trusts that you would show footage of any mistake the car might make including an intervention. Cutting or 32x speed the boring stuff is the answer
There should have been an intervention at 3:08 - if the car is that slow at turning right at a stop sign it is not human like. Please report so they can fix. 0 intervention is hurting more than helping.
I like the cut up version better. As long as you post the full video somewhere for proof, I think that's the best way to go!
I prefer the fast-forwarding. Long-time viewer, but my first instinct is still to be suspicious when I see cuts. I think for new viewers the fast-forward feels more trustworthy. Even with the full vid somewhere else (I'm not going to check).
FF also gives a nicer viewing experience imo. Smoother transition, and sometimes a nice change of pace.
do time-lapse
Remember, many of us are enjoying Teslas vicariously through CZcamsrs. So, yes post it! 😂
Or even just FSD as an international Tesla owner..
I appreciate that you recognize there is a distinction between people who are "enthusiasts" and regular drivers who may not understand or like the nuances of FSD.
Sounds like Horse Cart owners back in 1901 who resisted new technology Automobile
6:30 V12 was the first and only version that was ever able to get me home correctly. Every prior version would take me on a maze and purposefully avoid the easiest route to get to my house 😂
V12 just looks at the map, thinks about it, does a few swerves, and then says F it I'm taking you home!
Near my house, the map’s routing isn’t great. Instead of taking the quicker, easier route, without an extremely sharp turn and pretty close to instantaneous increase in elevation (which could lead to the road scratching the car’s bottom),
It takes the longer, more difficult route with the sharp turn. And a blind spot too.
The difference in time is pretty negligible, so that might be why. But still, to a human, it’s obvious.
Even then… it’s finally pretty usable here (I live in the suburbs of NYC)
True 0-disengagement drives happen here now, though they’re rare. But usually it’s only 1 disengagement.
the progress is great. looking forward to getting the 12.3.4 update. I love that the criticism of FSD is really getting down to being picky. Minor speed issues and occasional doesnt drive like me things.
And finally, it does not have to drive perfectly. Just perfectly safe. Or like Waymo...
Criticism of 12.3.4 is not picky, it still has major problems with basic everyday maneuvers. There are many other 12.3.x videos on CZcams. You should watch them.
In this drive, yes. Unfortunately, there are still examples that FSD v12 does try to kill peoples now and then, as you can see in some Chuck’s vids and some others.
@@catbert7 yes, with edge cases where even lots of people would fail and do fail every day. Give FSD 12 some tiime. It's less than a year old.
We should be happy that it doesn't simulate human driving regarding speed or impatience. The humans are the ones causing all of the accidents.
It does simulate human driving. But it just simulates the absolute BEST human drivers.
Let the current v12.3.4 FSD drive from busy suburb to busy inner city. Without human help.
Then it will be revealed for what it truly is: merely a Level 2 assistant. Nothing more.
The problem is that it will have to share the road with humans, for a while, and the humans driving aggressively will cause accidents if FSD drives too patiently. That NHTSA-mandated full stop is probably going to cause more accidents than anything else.
@@catbert7 Yes that is the problem. A tiny number of simple minded FSD Teslas will have to share the road with millions of intelligent humans with years of driving experience.
Are you serious?
@@catbert7 Yes, it never occurred to anyone that FSD would need to share the road with human drivers. How could the genius Musk, even with his superhuman intelligence, be expected to foresee that. No wonder it doesn't work!
I'd love to see someone collect all the FSD responses to humans making mistakes. Driving when everyone else is behaving themselves is easy, coping with others mistakes is the real challenge
I think from now on instead of counting disengagements and accelerator presses, you should add a new category for "human awkwardness" in which other drivers would be confused about your actions (such as the sometimes swaying between lanes when lanes split)
I've thought about it but it's so subjective. It'd be a personal measure for me lol
Thx for posting! I’d say don’t post the older one you mentioned. Keep pushing us forward!
wow things are changing fast!!! to say the least . That was eye opening.
FSD starting to get perfect, last 1%!
March of 9's could be eternal
The last 1% lol more like the last 15%. 3:07 was a horrible stop sign.
@@davidkaplan5517the last 1% would take 10 years but who knows I might be an idiot who thinks AI is slower than humans
0.01%
@@romtebJust needs to be better than the average human driver....
8:15 - it saw the guy on the scooter. you did not. had he been going a little faster and actually crossed the road, a human driver would likely have hit him.
nicely spotted
It’s now at the point that instead of just thinking FSD is doing something nutty we should be looking to see the valid reason that it had for the puzzling behaviour. You spotted it. Well done.
Naw, it hesitated way after he turned off. Not sure why.
@@catbert7 It's possible that it stopped for the scooter, but then by the time the scooter was clear, the corvette had pulled up enough to be a problem. I'm inclined to think that it was still mostly concerned about the corvette rather than the scooter. But either way, caution was appropriate there - and I as a driver would have been too.
The nags seem incredulous in this version. Currently I'm on 12.3.3. and went from NYC to DC and back with two nags total the entire 475 miles. I had on sunglasses and my hand on the wheel while looking forward but was just blown away that I literally had to just make acknowledgements one time there and one time back. The only disengagement I had was the red hands for a system failure which rebooted itself and then let me re-engage. I still say 12.3 was the best version of the bunch and 12.3.3 and me got off to a real rocky start but it's really surprised me and even the wife commented on how good it was. Really hoping the new releases keep getting better and better
10:41 Post it all mate
FSD starts to work and becomes really useful. This reminds of the year when computer vision started to work using deep neural networks. In the past there were doubts that computer vision would ever going to work, but it finally did. There’s no doubt in my mind now that FSD will continue to improve and become better than the best human driver at some point, and it’s going to happen soon.
I also believe it's inevitable.
@@DirtyTesla That's not a belief, that's a fact.
Not a chance!
Thnx, really appreciate your videos! Keep it up!
I say post the 12.3.3 drive, an old version sure but not incredibly outdated or anything. I love watching any content so definitely post!!!
Amazing! I’m excited for the future!
My 2018 Model 3 long range thank you for all the video help through the years
Great video.
edit: Also, think how amazing it will be in 1-2 years with an LLM assistant (either Grok or something else), which will allow you to give feedback directly to the car itself (like the thing you said about staying a little further behind in 17:29), and it will adjust its behavior accordingly for the next time.
I've never seen FSD on a dirt road! Thanks for uploading
Welcome to Dirty Tesla :)
I think the situation where fsd stopped with the red corvette on the train tracks was actually to stop for the e scooter to the left of you on the sidewalk I could see fsd tracking it on the map display and I believe it thought they were going to cross the road but they turned on the sidewalk so the car then accelerated when it was clear the scooter wasn't crossing 🤔
I like your take on enthusiasts or everyday FSD users and just everyday Tesla owners. You are very involved in the community and I’d be interested in seeing if you can get people who don’t use FSD in the car to hear their take. I have many friends who are afraid to use regular autopilot, some don’t even have the visualization on.
15:12 That four leaf clover reminds me of my best friend in high school in the 70's. He owned a '72 VW Bug we used to rip around in. Where we lived, there was a 4 leaf clover and my buddy took one of the exits when we were exiting the highway. I told him "I bet you couldn't do that 100 times" That's all he needed to hear, and 2 1/2 hours later we finished the 100 loops....lol We used to top out on the highway at 80 mi/hr, and then we would open the doors, like an air brake, to see how much it would slow down. We could slow it down by about 5 miles/hr. I miss those days....
Please post the old video it will be good for historical context someday when they write a book about all this
Excellent commentary 😊
14:22 First thing I thought was a crazy looking 4 leaf clover. Great video!
Keep going, Chris. In my opinion, I’ll not take time to watch an “old” version. Glad to see you are back on early update schedule.
Hey Chris, nice work. No more 12.3.3 videos unless you can show where it caused a disengage and now 12.3.4 fixed it for the same driven scenario. We all know our 12.3.3 challenges, but def want to see where 12.3.4 now gets it right. Improvement is what we all want to see.
Got my (first Tesla) 2024 Model 3 Refresh this past Saturday, pickup in Clarkston. So far the car has been amazing!! Huge upgrade from my old 2010 Corolla 😅. Can’t wait until I get the FSDS trial and see how it is!
Right after I posted this I went home for lunch and noticed there was an update available, after update I got the Trial FSDS, and I used it to drive back to work, it was amazing! Also had it drive me back home!
Congrats! I've had mine for 4 years, still waiting on the SFSD trial though lol.
Love your videos. Thank you!
I’m not interested in seeing older videos. I want to see the latest FSD Software in action so I know what to expect when I get the same functionality in my car.
I wish Tesla would give us a little more customization options. Auto Speed is a bit too fast for me; I wish I could dial it down a bit for my personal preference.
Nice to see cont updates
Very cool how you often drive past The Laundry (formerly The French Laundry) in Fenton on a lot of our FSD drives!
Loved it
Thank you.
Chris, for me 12.3.3 still drifts into short by-pass lanes on occasion, but at least it doesn’t throw on the signal. Yes, phantom dry wipes are an issue again in cloud covered late afternoon daylight light. I’ve also noticed if the Auto speed is too slow, you can press the accelerator up to the speed you want to go and it seems to maintain it. perhaps that is a live learning function. I have not done repeated drives over the same route to see if it remembers the speed I used though.
That loop is the insane
Thanks for these amazing videos for my whole time with my Tesla! Watched your kit set up the other day and found a replacement for the extension that you mentioned was not available on Amazon. It's called Neewer. All aluminum extension arm kit. Appreciate the tips. a lot!
Thanks I'll check it out
Been a long road sir! A pleasure enjoying your videos for all these years.... And here we are finally!! 🎉
At @6:56 it stops early to give space for the driveway - seen similar good behaviour for roads, but not driveways (not on map, so must be by vision).
I found if you use the accelerator to set a speed faster than the set speed it will stay at that speed until a limit change or an event that requires a slower speed.
Yeah, its really good at exiting parking lots. I ❤this version.
In Arizona you can get a speeding ticket for any speed over the limit even 1mph over, its the judges that enforce them however. Most judges typically convict 11mph over so most cops don't bother issuingcitation below 11 over. School zones, residential, and construction zones are enforced more aggressively though.
It looks nearly perfect, my last concern is really just bad weather. Like if I fall asleep while driving I need to know if it will be able to handle a downpour or snow storm or large swaths of ice on the highways if I am headed north
One of the requirements of L3/L4 is the system needs to be able to know when it needs help and when to ask.
search for fsd and snow. Saw a video of car driving in what looked like a snow storm. It had no problems. Driver suggested that the side cameras really help since they could see the lane markings.
@@CarlForde FSD does have problems in the snow!
A guy here on CZcams made a video of FSD driving around his Canadian neighborhood, with light snow on the ground. *10* *interventions* during a short trip.
Try heading down Owen Rd from the freeway towards downtown to your test route.
The turn lane in front of the highschool still gives me fits on v12 were my x wants to move into that lane for whatever reason from time to time.
In AA the notorious Ann Arbor Barton Rd and Main St on-ramps to 23 would be good ones to test.
Good to see it on a dirt road with no markings !!
I was pleasantly surprised about how good it is. It's only bad on approaching stop signs and making turns after that stop sign. It's too hesitant. Drivers behind me wre beeping (and I don't blame them). There was one situation where navigation knew that an upcoming turn was a left turn, but it failed to move into the left turn lane. Otherwise, it's pretty amazing.
I'm not purchasing it, but if we were road tripping for a couple of weeks, I'd sign up for a month.
Part of that is the full stop mandated by NTHSA.
Here in california, 25 is 35, 40 is 50 sometimes 65😅, 65 is 75..right now I only disengaged FSB, it’s too slow. following the 25. 12.3.3 assertive setting. Version 11.4.9 you can customize the speed on V12 no more only on highway.
15:11 “Butterfly” loop? 🤔🤷♂️ Really enjoying the V12 improvements in your videos. I don’t own a Tesla yet but I agree about maybe not getting it just to have me supervise it. When it gets to the point where I can edit a video while it drives me; then THAT is the stuff right there! 😊 Live your videos, keep up the good work. Oh…I’ll be by to pick up my CyberTruck I loaned to you, shortly. 😂😂😂
Regarding videos of old versions with zero interventions:
Show the highlights and fast forward the rest?
I think I know why your car is timid at that one intersection. It thinks there is no stop on the cross traffic because the stop signs don't have the "All Ways" subsign on them.
I think the car keys off that subsign unless map data is telling it otherwise. You may want to look at the map when you get to that intersection and see if it shows it as a four way stop.
13:09 your point is still valid up to this point. But just noting speed limit changes to 35 here. The car reads the 25 and 35 sign correctly but agreed it is doing about 34 in the 25 prior to this
On my MY with HW4, I don’t get the wheel nag at all during the day if I’m wrapping my hand loosely around the bottom right of the wheel. No need to add pressure. System just monitors the eyes (I wear transition glasses). At night I do get the nag
I tried FSD 12.3.4 on my 2020 Model X for the first time last night in the (drizzle) rain. It did great overall but I had to do two interventions. Both times it didn't recognize a turn only lane in Yorba Linda, California. This shopping center's entrances and exits (public roads) are cloverleaf style and even humans get very confused in there. I will try again when the sun is out.
3:43 100% That is my experience with the free trial of FSD Supervised. For me, the most annoying thing about using FSD is when it approaches a stop sign/traffic light. It slows down too soon compared to most drivers and anyone behind me is surprised that I'm stopping so soon. They often go around me at the next opportunity because they don't like following a car that is too cautious and too indecisive as if your great-grandmother who can barely see over the steering wheel is driving. While it may be cool that FSD can do all these things, supervising a car that often annoys drivers around you is stressful and not a pleasant experience. I turned off FSD and went back to TACC/AutoSteer AutoPilot after 3 days of trying it. Kudos to Tesla, however, for letting Tesla owners take it for a spin. I will say that if Tesla were to cut the cost of FSD in half (6K/$99-mo), I would seriously consider it as a nice convenience feature.
I tried fsd supervised and was surprised how good it is . I had many 0 intervention drives!
17:35 Ah yes. Love me some left blinker through the round about. Turning left.....by going right around a roundabout.....should be blinker to exit the circle ONLY! Great post. Love testing it myself in my M3.
The correct way to use a blinker in a roundabout is to keep the left signal on if you're not taking the first exit, and only switch to the right signal when you're approaching your exit
Or what I do and not use it 😂
@@DirtyTesla wow. I’m from the US. We must do it different in the northeast. Guess I’ll have to study local laws again!
Not the first time I got something wrong and the Tesla engineers got it right 🤣
I've learned so much about driving laws because of FSD these past few years lol
Really making me want to get one of these cars, man.
I would love FSD for those times when I "mess up", like tonight when I was going through a large multi lane intersection with left turn lane and the left turn light had turned off, I didn't notice, and I ended up facing vehicles in the middle of the intersection coming at me with horns blaring. Not only that, a pedestrian was making his way across the road in the cross walk in the direction I was turning. I got through it without anything more than humiliation but I sure wish I had FSD in that moment, driving for me when I was obviously not at my best as a human driver.
This is the best drive I’ve seen
Wait for the next one 🤯
@@DirtyTesla now I’ve seen other peoples videos of 12.3.4 leaving them stuck in on coming traffic in unprotected left turns
Wow, I have seen that same Sunoco station at that roundabout so many times now. I'm gonna miss these videos when FSD is feature complete.
these small increment versions are starting to feel like jumps from v7 to v8 to v9 or v10 before
looking forward to trying it. 12.3.3 has two easy turns near my home it can't handle for some reason. A right turn lan it will ride the car on top of the white line for a bit before getting over. And a two lame left turn only it wobbles between the two and won't pick one also if you turn it on on the inside left it will try to turn left into the outside lane even though it is merging on to highway on left
8 cameras, and advanced AI, and it cannot handle 2 easy turns in your neighborhood? So disappointing.
Full autonomy is years away.
As a European i can say you can drive a little over the limit. Even the speed cameras have some slack :)
So stoked to see this Chris. Are you going to bust out the disengagement counter like you’ve done on previous drives? Would love to see the new data.
Still working on it such a pain but yes
I bet, I commend you for all of the video capture and video editing you have to do. Much appreciated.
Chris, it may be hard for you to find edge cases due to where you are driving. I live in NYC with orders of magnitude more traffic, pedestrians, bicyclists, complicated intersections and interactions. When I see your videos it seems like a quiet drive in the empty countryside compared to my area.
Man don't get me started on that highway loop there😭😂. They did construction on parts of it last year and it was such a mess
I like what you did with the Tesla screen but would be cooler if it was translucent like you could see through slightly.
Chris, I have the trial 12.3.3 FSD Sup. I noticed a feature today that I don't recall being mentioned. Right or left clicking the steering wheel right scroll wheel (used to change following distance factor) now changes AP modes (chill, average, assertive)
Yep
could you make a test to see the time difference of setting it to keep the speed limit vs. setting it to auto speed ?
if you've got stalks you don't need to actually touch the wheel to clear the nag, I watched a video yesterday where someone just flicked down on the right stalk to clear it and it worked.
I find it comfortable enough to just let my hand rest on the wheel and avoid the nags
I use FSD daily, however, I’m not liking the behavior of auto speed. It excessively exceeds posted speeds more then I’m comfortable with. In particular slower, 25 mph residential streets it’ll hit like 37 miles an hour, which is crazy way too fast.
5:29 in Italy there is a similar tolerance (5km/h) on speed limits
In spain, you can go up to 10% the speed limit before radars take the picture
be careful if you drive north, because here they will get you if you go +3 km/h.
When it can determine that there is a closed road it is on in traffic such as a car accident. Turn itself around as instructed by an officer or other traffic controller. Then and only then can it take the grain of rice from my hand.
I love my FSD but self driving is a different system and can be a great aid to driving. Taxi isnt even in the relm unless the enviromental controls are in place.
I cant wait to see how they begin to solve these issues.
Mean while I want my absolute speed control back i had in version 11.
FSD is amazing
I drove this morning and heavy rain. It was conservative, keeping me at a lower top speed. I didn’t have any interventions. I also had fog at the top of the hill, which I think affected my Tesla navigation. Once I came down the hill the navigation was fine.
I've been trying to figure out how Auto Speed Offset works. Still not 100% certain, but it appears that it uses vector data from surrounding cars. This includes cars coming from the opposite direction or driving in-front, behind and beside you. If there are no surrounding cars, it maintains the previous speed, regardless if that speed is lower or faster than the new speed limit. I've also noticed it will adjust the set speed based on width of road and number or curves, possibly using map data. Regardless, still needs some work, and I've kept it off and still prefer the 8% offset I have set!
Chris, would you feel safe riding in the back seat?
18:04 the problem with stopping far from the line like this for me is, some lights by me have a sensor on the ground and if you are not on it, they never turn green, so I always have to make it move closer.
That happens to me all the time when I drive. I like to stop farther back so I can see the light comfortably. Another issue I experienced is at least some sensors don't notice mopeds, so if they are first, we are all screwed.
These light should be at least clearly marked, because now I'm just guessing by the fact that they never turn green.
Afternoon
I think that Fenton House should sponsor an episode for all the publicity that you have given them over the years! I just got this release last night so today I will see what it can do here.
Ha. It is good food too
@@DirtyTesla I ran an errand and fired up FSD. I got 2024.3.15 last night and it is supposed to include 12.3.4, but in the app it shows 2024.3.15 but also says V11.1 before 2024.3.15 so I am not sure what I have. That said, it didn't do well as it went 7-8 mph under the limit on the road just outside our development and when it got to an intersection where nav required a left turn, it wavered back and forth as to which lane to go into. When it seemed to decide to head for the right turn lane, I took over.
At 1:28 did it swerve just slightly for a divot or pothole (can you call it that?) in the dirt road? It looks like it made a slight move towards the centerline to get around something.
What would the drive be on aggressive setting? Pls try that.
How do you do the "screengrab" of your screen? Normally, you will see hands operating the screen, but not yours, very cool to see you working the screen without a hand in the way!!
Hey Chris at 2:11 when you turned off the automatic set speed, was your offset set to +0% or did you have your offset set higher? Why did it display max 38mph after you turned it off?
I'm still on .3. My car still does not want to change lanes when I put my blinker on at night. Now I have a 2018, so it might be an older camera issue, but just wondering if yours will change lanes like "Mad Max" on the highway. It's been a problem for me since V11. It wasn't a problem prior to V11.
12:35 Got the impression is slowed down because of the rough road. My 2020 MS just got this version yesterday and on my brief test drive it seemed to slow down for a section of rough pavement.
I'd like to see home to work driveway to parking lot with no interventions. Putting it all together including the beginning and the end of a drive is the next challenge
That's one of the 12.3.3 drives i haven't posted yet ;) but it was not 0 intervention
I haven't had too much good experience with FSD. The care took itself out of FSD when it hit a road with no lines. Then on the way to work it overshot the driveway and turned late and I had to stop it from running into the curb. And it likes to change lanes and follow cars when there is a clear lane ahead of it. this baffles me.
FSD is a simple minded Level 2 assistant. Don't expect too much from the beta software.
Full autonomy is years away.
You are doing a great job, enjoy your vids. But the map isn’t as valuable to the viewer as the “all cameras” view that some other channels set their screen to. It shows the kerb closeness and road edge and obstacle clearance distance. Your top wide camera is useful but would be even better with all cams showing. Just a suggestion. Thanks for sharing.
Its funking spot on
First of all great video I’m not a fan of FSD. I’ve been a big fan of Tesla for a while. That being said it is still really awesome to check out these videos but I’m more of the type of person that I really want to drive the car. But I can understand the convenience of having full self driving so it does make sense and I can understand the need to want to cut down on driver for fatigue for long distance drives so again it doesn’t make sense. That being said I do want to ask you if you can post that other self driving video I know you said it was a little bit older, but I would really like to see it. Keep up the great work and I’ll catch you on the next one have a good one.
If it’s driving slower than you wish, you can press the accelerator to speed it up a bit, right?
It’s so good. $TSLA under $200 is crazy!!!
I'm hoping for $150 to buy more back in
I'd also support not posting full videos with prior versions. But it might be interesting to do side-by-side comparison clips of the same situations where it improved in newer versions.
… when it switches from FSD supervised to high mode - do we get the use of the scroll wheel for speed adjustment again, like it was before?
When will FSD be able differentiate between car, truck and bus speed limit signs?
I’m looking forward to .4. Currently.3 so I look forward to a few improvements, particularly in the Auto speed adjustment. Mine really speeds, like 42 in a 30
Have you seen any problems lane centering? Mine is staying to the right consistently and crossing the line just riding on the rumble strips
Yes please post 12.3.3