Tesla Self Driving V12 vs SNOW!
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Also, I'm adding the direct record ability to this HW4 Model Y tonight, so future FSD videos in this car will have the display directly recorded, woo
17:40 it's basically showing navigation is complete, that's why it doesn't want to go anywhere
Also add S3XY buttons or just the commander so you can turn the auto wipers off. lol 😆
I’ve never once had an intervention or disengagement free drive. Until Friday when I had four of them in a row. 12.3 is stunning.
Dang...great to hear this sort of thing.
same thing here. absolutely flawless for me as well.
Try 12.3 in a busy city like Los Angeles, Chicago, or New York. Lots and lots of disengagements!
Does it still nag a lot to keep hands on the wheel or face suspension?
@@richardrolson2713 unfortunately yes.
Canadian FSD'r here. We'll take whatever 12.x you give us as we wait impatiently! Thanks!
European FSD here. i will take FSD Beta V1
As Canadian also I hope you won't complain like our American counterpart always complaining that FSD is never fast enough even when the weather has adversary conditions, lol.😂
Because I like @dirty tesla but it will be refreshing to see someone appreciate that it is beta and no😢in level 3 at all yet at least for in town driving yes it is getting there and from what I seen it is probably already there on the highway 🎉.
Just got 12.3, makes it an actual feature rather than liability. (At least in most scenarios ) and when I say liability, not to occupants of your car. But to everyone around you on your road
17:45 It stopped in the parking lot because the navigation was complete since your destination marker was in the same area. You can see it on the bottom of the screen that it displayed the navigation completed.
Ah I missed that since it got replaced with the degraded message, thanks. Well it was wrong haha, the pin was in a different area
This videos is exactly why i love your content! It brings so many different viewpoints that other do portray in their own way but at a different pace. Hard to explain but watching your videos and wholemars videos is a good compliment to eachother
Just tried 12.3.3 after 8” of heavy snow and you nailed it. Secondary roads are very impressive but the car does hug the right side at times.
Impressive! Love your excitement during the ride! Thx for sharing 🙂
You should do a live q&a. I think it would be good for people who have questions about anything Tesla- related, and it could help out people who are considering buying a Tesla.
I used to do them in the past. I just don't usually have time. I can try again
Very good live time explanation.
Started in the gas station parking lot.. nice one lol
If you drove with my father or a driving instructor, or someone from NHTSA you would be driving the same speed as 12.3, but bc everyone in this country (including Dirty Tesla) is in a hurry to go nowhere and does not have safety in mind. If you just sat back, relaxed and let the car drive safely you wouldn’t worry about getting to your destination 12% faster than if you broke all the laws and stressed yourself out, road raged on some old lady and used more fossil fuels than necessary. FSD will truly be amazing when everyone is using it and there will be no traffic and peace on our road ways!! I can’t wait to see that future. The Sunday race car drivers will still have their right to rip up the roads. The police will have less to do, the courts will have less to do, we won’t have to pay crazy insurance premiums and people will be able to send their kids to practice without driving them!!😮
13:43 That guy needs to get some more blinker fluid. LOL.
Maybe his blinker fluid was just ICEd up....
Something I like about 12.3 is that it doesn't always hug the center line when there is oncoming traffic the way 11 did
I think it is looking around in the parking lot and figuring it out. The problem is that the pin is in the parking lot. So it thinks it is already there?
Or is pin in another parking lot. I think i was tripping.
Also probably harder in the snow.
A lot of times it ignores the nav now and just stops what it thinks is closer to the pin. Even if nav shows more turns.
how about the dirt on the cameras? like do you have to clean it everytime before using fsd?
So good to see you "back in the saddle" with FSD videos!
What software version were you on before they rolled it out to you?
I was on the 2023 branch on my 2019 M3 as well as the '22 I just bought, until a couple weeks ago when I was updated to 2024.2.7. I fear that's pushing it out even longer now, and Service is completely useless. Apparently, testing Beta since the first wave of Safety-Score-100s got it years ago isn't enough for them roll it out :(
Wooohooo! Great to see that you are on version 12.x! Lovin' these videos from Down Under!
I noticed with v12 that if its going too slow and I manually accelerate to my desired speed and then let off it tends to hold that speed for the rest of that speed zone.
Your commentary is great! Very informative :)
Great to see FSD improving. I totally understand why it can't cope if the whole road is a snowy white-out ... but the Robotaxi will be officially announced this summer. Will FSD suddenly be able to cope with parking lots and snow-covered roads? With no steering wheel?
Congratulations on 12.3!!!!! I'm so happy that you got it.
this area felt familiar - is it not too far south of Flint MI ? Seven Lakes was my locational trigger. I spent a lot of time around those areas NW of downtown Detroit in the 80's.
Yep, this is Fenton
I agree with you I think 12.3 is a huge upgrade and I also didn't notice the very yeah bro vibes it gives lol
where are the snow sticks? In Sweden all roads gets orange snow sticks with reflectors on the side of the road every winter unless on larger roads where they have permanent sticks/poles that marks the edge of the road.
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I wonder if they can change behavior after the fact because I don't recall 12.3 being slow when it first came out. It was robustly above the speed limit.
Also you can try to work the scroll wheel because it actually has an effect. If you scroll way down the car stops. Even though it gives no indication that it should have effect. So maybe a little up has effect too
Its trained on human behaviour. And human behaviour in the snow is bound to be slower and more cautious so its not at all surprising.
@@medhurstt it's not just snow
@DanFrederiksen I don't have personal experience, but what I've seen in these videos was that 12.1 was fast and 12.3, which was more widely released, was slow. But in the snow, I'd expect it to be even slower.
The learning Curve
V12.3 is great
Drove today through a snow storm and a small blizzard in mountains, v 12.3. It was surprisingly good, no disengagements, impressed me. It was hard to see anything due to snow, but it felt solid and didn't make any mistakes. Still, some issues with 12.3 (especially speed control). Some things definitely improved and the comfort improved dramatically. Feels like a human about half the time, then it does something completely stupid and ruins it. Hugs the curb too closely, I think it may have scrapped the wheel once. BlackTesla was complaining about the same issue.
You said it was very good, no disengagements. But *then* *you* *said* :
"does something completely stupid and ruins it"
"scraped and damaged the wheel"
@@DerekDavis213 first part was about specific conditions, on one drive with heavy snow. Second part was generalization about 12.3 on multiple drives.
Interesting. Right now my Y is updating to beta 12.3. So I guess I will be one version behind after wishing v12 would finally install on my car.
10:40 *This exactly*. It's still unsure at times, but much more graceful movement for both the passengers in the cabin, and drivers/pedestrians who can perfectly understand the car's intent.
Geely already does drifting on snow autonomously while Tesla is struggling to go straight on snow?
It would be interesting to see not just what the human (you/gopro) sees but instead what the cars cameras inputs see. Is that possible and not totally painful for you?
It's slow..until you hit a patch of (black) ice..then it's suddenly ffin perfect. 😅
Hi Chris, Thanks for the drive in the snow. I think we wait until the end of April before returning to Fenton. Our 6 year with 85K miles M3 still has the the original wiper blades and wiper run smooth. I am wondering if the Ceramic coat has increased wiper blade life. Hopefully we will see you at the beach in MUSKELON
I'll be there!
Got v12.3 in Tallahassee FL yesterday - awesome!
I had V12.3 couple days ago. Only used for commute so far. Auto speed is too slow for the flow. Often it go slower than speed limit and unnecessary. It impeded the flow. People constantly get around me. That's not good. It doesn't let me override it with scroll wheel. Hope they address the slowness.
Yep, addressed in 12.3.1, video tomorrow (I hope)
Here in Germany we have Version 11.1 🙈
Heavy Snow? 😂
Nice! This video gives my Snowed down Norwegian heart a lot of hope :P
Good thing they get some snow-data as well berfore summer gets here!
Do you know if FSD has been released yet for Highland versions? I got my 2024 last week upgrading from my 2022 and waiting for my first update.
I'm in the same boat, with a new Model Y. I'm on the 2024.2.7 software, which you probably are too; while only versions of 2023.44.30 are getting the v12 update.
We won't get the update until v12 is relinked to the 2024 software; and my recollection from people experiencing this in the past is that this will takes weeks, or even months for this to happen.
Further, right now 12.3.1 is going out *only* to HW3 cars, while of course we're on HW4.
I am excited for your version 12 videos. I was able to get version 12 on Friday myself. Back on previous versions I don’t think I ever had a 0 disengagement drive. There are many places where I always knew I would need to take over because the car made really silly mistakes. It trained me well by making those mistakes on every version for at least the last 12 maybe 24 months. Since version 12, I’ve had many zero disengagement drives. Although I have had to hit the accelerator to get the car to go the speed limit.
Chwelve?
upvoted!!
This is still learning, and with rain snaw, if it's cautious, i think not bad. Remember the days when i was learning 😅
It blows my mind that so many are driving without their lights on in those conditions!
Familiarity mitigates a lot, not arguing just say'n, situation normal for many drivers.
@@MrbfgrayIt's not about what you can see, it's about being seen by other drivers.
When it's that bright, you can see any car without lights
@@danliebster9894 DUH! I'll take lights off in these conditions any day over heavy fog w lights, all these vehicles are easy to see or you shouldn't be behind the wheel.
Obviously lights on is still better.
All new vehicles sold north of the 49th parallel, for years must be equipped with daytime lighting.
When I think of the dumbest driving thing I have done ... driving in upstate New Hampshire (Colebrook) almost Canada in a blizzard at 2 am. I can't distinguish the road from anything else. At some point there MUST be a "Hell 2 the NO" screen that notifies, "Only a human is dumb enough to drive through what I am seeing in front of me. Love ya Don't wanna kill ya"
Thanks for the info on 12.3.1. The lack of the acceleration was driving me nuts.
Is your dash or door messed up? It looks like the “wood grain” doesn’t line up on the left.
Overall, for me, v12: drives further to the right on back roads, which I like. However, sometimes, it almost starts driving off the road.
One guy with 12.3 had the car drive up on the sidewalk!
I just drove 12.3 for the first time today. Overall, it is much improved over 11.4.9. It doesn't get into turn lanes when it is navigating straight ahead, as 11 did constantly. It also uses turn signals better. The only disengagement was when we reached our destination and it tried to park between two cars in a gravel perking lot. It seemed to be getting a little too close to the left car and I stopped it. I will be driving it in freshly fallen snow tomorrow morning.
Now that ultrasonic sensors are disabled or removed, parking lots are harder to deal with.
@@DerekDavis213 ultrasonics are (currently) the right tool for parking lots, but I'm confident (or maybe extremely hopeful) that Tesla will solve it with vision only, especially if they add another camera or two.
@@slowercuber7767 Yes ultrasonics are the right way to go for close quarters parking. Those sensors can measure *distance* accurately, even in complete darkness.
Vision cameras (similar to cameras on a cheap cell phone) will have trouble with this task.
The ultrasonic sensors were dropped for one reason: to increase profits at Tesla Corporation.
@@slowercuber7767 Yes ultrasonics are the right way to go for close quarters parking. Those sensors can measure distance accurately, even in complete darkness.
Vision cameras (similar to cameras on a budget cell phone) will have trouble with this task.
I have an early 2023 M3LR w/o USS, so vision is the only parking assist. I have never tried to park the car using assist until 12.3 happened.
amazing jump
There's no way for FSD to know what kind of tyres are fitted and therefore how fast to go in the snow. It might be trained on a mix of summer and winter tyre drivers which will surely result in an average speed of the two
The car has even better information then what kind of tyres it has. It knows the exact ammount of torque being applied to each wheel. From that you can derive how to drive. It's how traction control works.
would be cool if you showed us what the cameras saw in these conditions.
Automatic Set Speed Offset has been HORRIBLE for me. Always on the slow end.
Good to know about the upcoming .1 Rural NY you need to go 5mph past the posted limit, I am sure a cop would pull me over to check if I was drunk at 12.3 speeds.
A common misconception that the speed limit is a minimum speed, actually it is a max speed, no matter the speed of every one else!
@@casperhansen826 Rule or Law is only as good as the majority will follow it, combined with on how it is enforced. Normally for my drive where I am at, 55 is normally highway speeds, but expect stops. 45 there are some curves ahead and also some houses. 35 traffic and usually within a city. Because the limits are not enforced, and no one will follow them as speed limits, thereforh when speed limits are picked they also take in account of the offset the community puts on it as well. You are not being a hero by enforcing the speed limit, but actually driving too slow for the road (when in good conditions)
a week later waiting for 12.3.3, mind you citystreets 12.1 is good, if you like 2G take offs
16:45 onwards was not the car's fault.
You put the pin way too close to the car - it said navigation complete shortly after you turned it on.
11:35 as a long-time viewer... bravo FSD.
I tried this version in the snow yesterday, dual motor with snow tires. If the wheels start to slip, FSD immediately goes into abort mode
I see the auto wipers didn't improve yet.
It would be nice to see how it does in heavy snow, especially with slippery roads.
In those conditions I drive in the middle and just go to the side when encountering on coming cars.
🥰👍👍
12.3 has been fantastic progress--but this shows clearly there's still much to be done with winter.
So, with this release, FSD is out of beta? Can I sit on the passenger seat and let it "fully" drive me everywhere?
Definitely not. Lmao
The freeway seems to be worse on 12.3 from personal experience. I understand that freeway is not v 12.3 but it sure has regressions from 11.4.9. Takes many more incorrect turn lanes 😢
Freeway isn’t even on v11 I think
Conquers? Let's say 1 ride,
Telsa needs to conquer, or at least get to where Musk suggested they were 4 years ago
@@craighermle7727 8 years ago, Musk said soon FSD would drive from Los Angeles to New York, automatically.
what a joke.
until the feds make a statement about FSD is't speculative clickbait. It means nothing
@@craighermle7727 It means something:
FSD = Fully Supervised Driving
Good GRIEF, doesn't need be current to the hr to be valuable experience. 😊
Well, it recognizes speed bumps finally. It’s still bad but it’s getting better.
Keep in mind that 12 is a reset from 11. Think of it as a mid wipe.
Would be worth driving manually through some of these spots, and, where it can be done safely, demonstrating how slippery it is (or isn't), such as approaching a stop a bit to fast and braking too hard.
Are y going to add HDMI out?
Did it last night 👍
Does Stephanie know?@@DirtyTesla 🤣
Thank you for sharing this drive. I like (most of) the caution FSD V12.3 is showing in those conditions, even if it may be inappropriate for you yankees. I'm so looking forward to trying V12 out in my 2023 MYLR HW4!
What’s your experience with fsd beta around emergency vehicles. Maybe ask Elon when that will be a feature 🙄
If I am ever in Michigan, I think I will have to take a drive around Ann Arbor. It will feel strangely familiar after watching hours of this channel over the years. Also, it looks like a quite nice place.
27th
Finally 🥳
The car might do a perfect turn for you, but then, if you do it again on another day, it will mess it up.
I've driven past FSD versions on snowy/slushy/icy roads. It's DEF not ready. It's def ok on rural roads without any cars or busy intersections. But, otherwise...it's like getting into the car and using FSD for the very first time. Sporadic at best. I don't feel it knows that it's in conditions where road might have good grip here..but in 100ft a complete change and dangerous situation could be encountered.
Took into Boston yesterday..and had 2-3 major disengagements on dry roads...
One in particular (in Chill Mode):
Came off of Interstate to a large oval and heavily traveled roundabout. I've been here many times in the past and know that the street I need to take is on the right, after the east bound traffic from the interstate enters. It's a yield for them...however, it's always always packed with traffic. And anyone coming around the roundabout, needs to stay in the far right or, at best, middle lane and then force your way right to take the first right to the destination.
Upon exiting the interstate FSD Immediately chose the far left of 3 lanes because it was empty..However, the far left is more or less for traveling all the way around the roundabout and taking either the 3rd or 4th right...I left it in FSD, even though I knew this was the incorrect lane. upon approach to the street I needed to take the Right lane was packed and so too the middle(Where cars from the middle were forcing themselves into the right to take that road.
I disengaged and in no way was going to let FSD try to muscle in with so much traffic.
V12.3 about the 5th and biggest fail of the day.
Driving on rural less traveled roads v12.3 was very good in it's speed and like most previous versions, following traffic. However, in a city like Boston and its suburbs. Where many weird intersections and poor engineering of lanes, etc...FSD is constantly failing and downright embarrassing! Let's not even mention highway driving...Cutting faster traffic off when moving left, instead of increasing speed to overtake...and passing on the right when it sees a clear lane. Horrible driving etiquette...
Has a long way to go...
9:48 I love V12's "timidity" in these conditions. I'm from Alabama and when we get that much snow it's often accompanied by temperature wobbling around freezing, so we get have a bit of black ice on the road at unfortunate locations like bridges and over culverts or at spots with a little traffic, but not enough. For instance, I'd have been expecting to slip a bit around that right turn onto the "main" road. I suspect we have more little bridges and roads with culverts under them that may allow them to freeze in spots, and black ice looks exactly like wet road, except when it looks like dry road or is hidden under a little snow. Couple the ice being at about the freezing point (instead of well, below it), and you have a recipe for loss of control by ANY vehicle without chains. I admit that while living in Minnesota through one of its winters, most drivers around me probably found my driving a bit paranoid, but on the other hand, I never even came close (as far as I know) to getting into one of those accidents, single vehicle or otherwise, which encourage Minnesotans to keep a beater car for driving in the winter.
Back to the point and in summary: I LOVE V12's behavior you are showing here. I'm even thinking of trying to budget a purchase (i.e., convince the wife we need it) next year.
15:28 so, you are saying FSD 12.3.1 is available on HW4 ?????!!!! I thought it was still limited to HW3. WOO HOO! I wonder if I can rent it for a month now on my 2023 Austin HW4 MYLR?
Yep, it's on HW4!
Damn, i can't even drive in those conditions
Well mine has not updated yet
I stay away from Michigan because of the horrible, carless drivers hah
Difference is ap4 to ap3
Wham Bam Teslacam is replete with drivers not happy following someone when the drivers want to go faster. Stupid to drive like it’s a clear day with dry roads.
Have they figured out how to get out of the way of emergency vehicles when they have their lights on
I noticed mine was going about 2-3 mph slower than the posted speed. Also I noticed it was favoring the right side of the lane.
I simply could drive better than 12.3 in snow. But in standard conditions it may drive better than I as I am 76. It comes from driving many years without salt or sand on the road. And of course no chains. I have witnessed people with all 4 tires chained up upside down in the ditch with chains on all 4 wheels when to me the conditions said 45mph. I have only been slowed to a maximum of 35 in extremely icy freezing rain outside town. Any type drive would have trouble climbing a hill in those conditions. Now with my all wheel drive I might drive 30 mph.
Aren’t you supposed to share CT videos from now on? Jk, thanks for the video.
😂
It makes sense the car is timid in the snow. I doubt it has enough training on it and most humans don’t respect the road conditions properly. I had my first FSD 12.3 drive this morning to work and it was amazing. The smoothness is worlds better. The only issue I had and is not an FSD 12 thing is how it performs on the interstate. It LOVES getting to the left lane and with the traffic it still is hunting to change lanes constantly. Once they migrate to 12 or work on the driving profile for that I will use it more for the interstate.
In addition to the jump in smoothness, I have also observed a couple of big changes in v12.3. Previously in v11.x, I used to set navigation to a couple of normal destinations such as grocery store. 11.x would set a course that would take me past the destination and then requiring a U-turn so I would override that by dropping a pin on the map and make a more logical left turn. With v12.3, nav still sets the less efficient route but when I get there, the car departs from the mapped route and takes the turn that I previously had to designate with the dropped pin. It doesn’t re-map, it just ignores the mapped route on its own. I’ve had it do this on two separate destinations so far.
Been driving V12 for a few days now here in SUNNY Florida and there are improvements needed still of course on this initial rollout. However, the biggest difference is the confidence which increased my trust in the cars ability which reduced those stressful moments previous versions created with jerky movements, sudden breaking, etc. ALL of that is GONE! Even in tough situations, the car can think through it and make a decision smoothly.
Title: "Conquers the Snow", 20:11, "Its too scared of the snow". Your cred is heading south.
😂 there how's the new title
Get that .1 video out soon please
Oh come on, Heavy snow?
That is not heavy snow.
And besides that, end to end neural net is of course not true. It is a huge amount of regular code involved in this.
I drove a couple hours in both our cars and I am VERY happy to hear that 12.3.1 will address the speed. It's fairly awful in rural areas. I will be editing video all day, but it's...frustrating.
Waiting for the next video...
10days ago 12.3 and now 12.3.3 is out and seems alright resolved the slow issue. Just like Elon says 2 weeks of each new iteration. Very soon to L5!
it is hard even for a human driver
Not really. Regards from Sweden.