Doctor Strange Spoilers Review
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- Jon Schnepp, Kristian Harloff, and John Campea all sit down to give their spoiler-heavy review of the latest entry in the MCU - 'Doctor Strange!'
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Dormammu couldn't break out because he doesn't understand or have a concept of time. He can't break out of something he has no comprehension of.
this^^^^
No, here is just no such thing as Time in his dimension, movie actually explains it well
I was about to say it...
Yep, it was clearly stated in the movie that the Dark Dimension doesn't have time so Strange figured out that would be Dormammu's weakness.
I wonder if the visuals didn't impede the movie somewhat because people were taking it all in and missed small lines that set up other events in the movie
"The Dark Dimension is a place beyond time." They said that several times. Strange even says it just before he floats in there. Dormammu could not break out of the spell because he has NO CONCEPT OR EXPERIENCE OF TIME.
The ONLY gripe I have with this movie could have been fixed with one line. Tell me where Kaecilius's pain came from.
I LOVED the cloak wiping Strange's tears. Good friends.
But honestly, Kaecilius is almost incidental to the film, like Zemo, and I have no problem with that. They serve the stories. This film aims to set up the character of Strange, as well as his two most infamous foes, Mordo and Dormammu. I feel it accomplishes both. Dormammu's got a grudge and Mordo's got a vendetta.
+Azkuula I agree with you on the introduction and future motivations on the villains.
read the movie prequel comic, u can find it for free to read. u learnt he pain his character suffered
Wong's laugh at the end of the film totally KILLED IT in the theater I was at. Perfectly set up.
ThatNerdDylan yea i had a feeling he was gonna laugh sometime during the end of the movie
he laughs because strange repeats one of his early lines too... totally set up and payed off
Harloff is mad, that scene was perfect. My whole theater cracked up
Oh yeah...my theater also laughed so hard...also I feel like it had to be a bit awkward because we established Wong has a strange (no pun intended) sort of humor.
ThatNerdDylan my whole theater laughed too cause it was a funny scene 😂😂😂😂
Dormmamu couldn't stop the time loop because his dark dimension has no sense of time. He was confused and at the mercy of Dr. Strange experiencing the loop of time over and over which scared him.
AND...if this was normal magic, Big D would have easily overpowered the spell/magic, its only bc it was magic powered by an Infinity Gem that it could overwhelm him.
Langley M Neely also I think the time loop was only sustainable in the dark realm
That scene where the cloak was rubbing his face, it was appropriate in my opinion, because if you watch closely, you can see that he's wiping his tears. Which I think was quite touching, but it came off as comedic because I don't think many people noticed that.
it was great.. I don't understand this people
eclipter exactly, it definitely worked for me and it was a great moment to see that Stephen Strange can be vulnerable like that
I think that scene was turned comedic because of Strange reaction, maybe they could have made it more clear with better music choice and close up shot so you could see the tears. I too missed it but I was touched when I realized because the cloak of levitation is like a character on its own, a fabric a character that is so cool and it is protective of Dr. Strange throughout the movie, the cloak fights for him when he is about to die. The Cloak is a companion, a friend of Strange. Also we have to understand if you want to be a superhero you are alone that is the recurring theme of any superhero character it is a life of self sacrifice. You know the end shot when he is standing at the Sanctum, he has bid goodbye to Christine and his old life, has taken on new responsibilities of protecting earth he is all alone because he has lost his master, his friend, and his love, but you feel he is not so alone he has his protective cloak/friend around him.
Yea, I don't get how could all 3 of them not get such a simple and moving scene.
Thought it was a great scene because it shows that the cloak is not only sentient but is bonded now to Dr Strange and cares about him. Everyone in my session giggled at it too.
Dormmamu I have come to bargain
Dormammu! I have come to bargain.
Michael Garcia thanks for spoiling it
Doooooooooormaaaaamu! I have come to bargain
Dormammu, I've come to bargain!
Dormammu, I have come to bargain!
We should have gotten 5 minutes of the ancient one teaching the bad guy and give him a bit of a backstory.
Leo Agreed
indeed, the villian needed a flashback training with the ancient one and showing his turn to the dark side.
I believe there's a prequel comic
Leo that would have reminded me to much of other films like king fu panda XD
but it indeed would have benefited the character.
eon001 not only that but the relationship between master and student was so well done in Kung Fu Panda. Remember when Tai Lung has his monologue with his master he almost has a moment of pity and even sheds a tear, just before being dissapointed with his master and then they fight. It was so well done and this movie lacked a lot of that
In my opinion, "Doormamu I've come to bargain," is one of the top five best scenes in the MCU.
Agreed! I LOVED how Doormamu looked, he did look very comic book, that whole scene did, but in a good way!
Dormammu couldn't get out of the time loop because dark dimension was a realm that didn't experience time so Dormammu didn't know how to deal with it.
Yeah, that was sole reason why Doctor Strange took a chance in first place, when he flies off into Dark Dimension he says that there is no time.
Dormammu looked great. Something in a comic book movie looked comic booky?! oh no!
That scene where the cape wiped his face was pretty bad though.
SerenityValley84 my girlfrined liked it ;)
I thought that all of the scenes involving the Cloak of Levitation were absolutely great.
Agreed, I loved the look of Dormammu. I thought it fit perfectly.
I dunno how in the world he thought dormammu wasn't scary. i thought he looked terrifying after he appeared when doctor strange came to bargain.
Are people forgetting that Mordo just casually dropped The Living Tribunal's name?
BlazerManiacNumber96 I know right! So epic. btw, an issue with the villian in this? Weren't there like 4 villians lolz. the relics were taking everything down that exposed the ancient one. almost making her a villian. that was a crazy twist.
I loved that part. The staff of the Living Tribunal. I'm curious as to why they call it that. Is it imbued with powers of the Living Tribunal, or did the Living Tribunal create it? A little easter egg for later on I think.
I was thinking the staff would be seen by strange during his initial acid trip introduction to the multi-reality. That tiny little umbrella staff......hmm. I don't know. That was weaksauce.
That was epic
BlazerManiacNumber96 Yeah I went nuts at that
another thing? who excited for thor ragnorock now? planet hulk, thor, AND now doctor strange in the movie
pepe trump looking forward to dr strange v thanos
I LOVED that, I actually think that they should have switched the order of the post-credit scenes, they should have closed with Thor and Strange talking, it was fun and at the same time gave me the excitement for the next movie.
me, i would never have thought an after credit scene would hype me up so much for another movie lol. I just want to see more Dr Strange and Thor now.
I think they did it this order because more people would see the Thor one...some people leave between the two.
Right? I'm surprised it seems not a lot of people caught this in the mid credit scene. Dr. Strange will be in Thor. It feels like they, and other sites, just missed that.
If it isn't Star Wars Harloff will have "issues" and pick it apart. Did they not hear Mordo say "You ave no idea the things I've done".
On his channel they gave it an average score of 7.5, tying it with Ironman 3 as their worst review within the MCU.
7.5 is their worst score for any movie in the MCU.
How do you think they score the prequels?
I loved it. I loved that it started off as a really good drama (that scene with Christine in Stephen's apartment made my theater go "ohhhhhhh shit..") and it was about Stephen growing as a person. I LOVED the final battle with dormammu because that's when Stephen became a hero!
"You'll suffer...you'll never win"
"Maybe...but I can lose, over and over and over again and everyone else will live."
FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!
The reason the time loop worked was because there is no concept of time in the dark dimension. That's the whole reason Dr. Strange went to the dark dimension.
The more you try to explain it the more obvious it is that it's stupid. A great ending wouldn't need defending. Especially not every fifth comment in the comments section.
Spoilers.
He beat the cloud villain with a looper app.
The ending went full Green Lantern. SO close though
Felix Lara Blanco that would be the reason but i was just thinking can dormammu defeat someone with a infinity stone.
I said they went full green lantern because they made the main bad guy a giant fart cloud.
Then they had that fart cloud get beaten by a looper app, which is a fact.
It was a bad ending, but that's okay. You have the rest of your life to defend it.
I get that the plot of the two films is different. I think we all knew that, though.
"how difficult is it to understand that a magic time stone created a time loop that affected the demon that has no concept of time..that's REALLY not that complicated"
I know what happened, I saw the movie. I just think it's stupid.
And so do you.
That's why you feel the need to explain it to people that already know what happened and just think it was a shitty ending.
I'm so dumb that the people that were trying to argue with me deleted their comments....?
Thanks for jumping on and filling in for them, not doing much of a better job though.
Keep scrolling David. You'll find the reception for this movie mixed at best.
"holy shit you're dumb" WEAK
Thanks for playing, NEXT
"A great ending wouldn't need defending." Well yes it does, because there's always going to be people who don't understand, either because they didn't pay attention or because they just had a moment of stupidity (there is no movie with an ending that everyone agrees with). And then of course there's always the fanboys who hate the movie because Marvel made it.
And it was pretty obviously explained in the movie. If someone in the video questions it for the wrong reasons, of course there's going to be people defending it in the comments. You do realize that these comments are reactions to the video right?
You can keep trying to bring it down by oversimplifying it and calling it a "looper app", instead of coming up with a legitimate criticism. But you can make literally everything sound stupid if you want it to.
You also come across as an extremely arrogant person. You literally told someone what there opinion was, as if it was a fact. ("I just think it's stupid, and so do you".)
You're free to think anything is stupid because you interpreted it in a way it wasn't meant to. However you can't force your wrong interpretation on others. Everyone is free to have their own opinion, and yours is obviously in the minority. You should just accept that you don't like the movie and move on. There's nothing wrong with disliking something most people loved.
And one last thing you said was: "You'll find the reception for this movie mixed at best.". Well, last time I checked it was received extremely well, and it was sitting at 90% on Rotten Tomatoes, and it got an A Cinemascore. I don't know how you measure how well a movie is received, but you must be doing something wrong in that department.
the most impressive movies to me, is movies like guardians, ant man and doctor strange. how marvel takes those type of concepts and makes it work and people buy into it. just masterful
The visuals were fucking amazing the story to me felt like a standard superhero origin story like a cross between iron man and batman begins overall 8/10
you do know that Nolan has cited Doctor Strange as an inspiration for Batamn Begins right?...
Let's be honest, Schnep was going to love the movie not matter what.
Kannon not true...I was really looking forward to BvS and hated it.
Kannon I think Schnep was looking forward to Batman Vs Superman the most out of anyone in Collider. And look what he thinks about that movie.
Yeah but schnepp has been a fan of Strange forever and the movie has the same dinamic as the others Mcu movies. The movie has a lot of flaws and for me is very generic, like almost Harolff says.
The only way that Schnep was going to hate this movie was if this movie was made 10 years ago without the safe formula that Marvel got since iron man 1
Interesting take. You right though. It didn't take any chances. But I still really liked it. It is a better version of Green Lantern though...lol
Yeah he worships every marvel film 10 months before they even come out
Saw it last night and wow was this movie amazing. The only negatives I could think of would probably be that I wanted more time with him as a doctor, more time with him training , not killing the ancient one so fast. Mainly things that could've been spent more time with. Still a 9/10 for me and top 5 personal favorite marvel film.
Jay Jay Exactly. I wish there was more.
my biggest problem with the movie is that it was too short. the "it needs more exposition" criticism is valid. i wish it was ten to fifteen minutes longer. exposition for both how magic/spells work and kaecillius' backstory/motivation. other than those two things, i love everything else. 8/10.
***** Agree...As Strange as it sounds (puns!), I would have liked more dialog.
They really should've explored Mordo's and especially Kaecilius' tragic backstories. It probably would've made Kaecilius a more compelling, memorable villain. And with only hinting at Mordo's history, I feel like maybe Marvel is getting too dependent on the shared universe to tell stories across multiple movies, when some stories can easily be told within a single film.
Sol Midorez Agreed. I loved this film but if it had like 15 more min to flesh out villain it would have helped.
As someone who has done LSD in the past, the scene where Strange's astral form is kicked out his body is like the moment you realize you're peaking. My favorite part was when Strange's body is floating in the space like dimension.
I've come here to bargain with you.
Short review - Amazing visuals, Good performances, needed more exposition, weak script, weak villain but was fun to watch. I'd give it a 7.5/10, was a fun movie but not one of Marvel's best.
Yeah. As a Doctor Strange fan it bugged be a little since there was no mention of Vishanti. I really wanted to hear about Hoggoth, Oshtur, Agamotto since they're are the ones from whom DS draws his powers but they totally avoided it. And also wanted the movie to give a little exposition about the various artifacts as they're major sources for his various powers in the comics but they didn't explain anything instead except for the Book of Cagliostro. But I'm happy that we at least get to see Wand of Watoomb, The Staff of the Living Tribunal, Eye of Agamotto, Cloak of Levitation and The Book of Cagliostro etc., I hope they give a little exposition in the future movies.
I think that's being saved for Doc Strange 2. This was to test the waters to how the public receives this side of Marvel. It was dipping the toes in the water. Sometimes we lose track of this as readers of the comics but it isn't all about us....heh.
Jokes aside, I really do think Doctor Strange 2 will did deep into those aspects of the Strange lore and compound on Dormammu where he's the actual threat now that he understands time exists.
Ryan P I agree. They didn't dwell deep into the DS world. It would be interesting to see where they go from this, now they've established his origin story. I also really hated the look of Dormammu reminded me of Paralax from GL. I hope they go back to his look in the comics.
I didn't hate it, I actually enjoyed it. I don't want his comic book form because he'd be too similar to Ghost Rider for a lot of the general audiences. I loved that they used Cumberbatch as the motion capture for him. It gave him a great look as almost the antithesis to Strange. As if he could take whatever form is necessary to communicate with his foes. He wasn't a fart cloud. He was a cosmic being. And as far as cosmic beings in movies go, he was pretty damn good.
I think Kaecilius suffers from "Not the Joker" syndrome. Has any villain other than Loki been good enough for people? It doesn't feel like it and the sad part is, people are being picky and missing out on some really fun villains.
Kaecilius has a GREAT Origin in the comics from reading Marvel Wiki. Kaecilius and his wife and son died. He joined the ancient one to bring them back but his wish couldn't be granted and then he rebelled to the dark side.
They couldn't spend 10 minutes to film that backstory?
They said in movie he lost everyone (implied family). But yeah, they easily could add 5 mins for his backstory and movie would be better for it.
Leo they did mention that
Maxwell Comora why don't they show us how he lost everyone instead of a line of dialogue?
*****
It feels short run time is due of Disney/Marvel really seeing this as financial risk. It is darker than their previous attempts, it is very fantastical (not always can be converted into money), and have difficult concepts to convey (turning back time while fighting with baddies? time loop? multiple dimensions? dimension without time?). I *hope* director's/extended cut might give more breathing room for characters. Who knows.
Leo good point
he won't be able to do the time loop thing if thanos already has the time stone on his freaking glove.
And Thanos can't necessarily do it either since why should he. He has the stone, why should he know how to make a time loop?
eon001 I agree with you 100% And also I think our harloff is being a little bit on the sour side.
Harloff needs to read the infinity quest to understand that Thanos mind is so advanced as well as his physical condition. The gardener doesn't even know he's been bested out of the gem.
I liked it. Tbh I wasn't expecting so much comedy... usually Spiderman is the only wise cracking hero and he plays off the serious heroes like Cap and Strange. We'll see how it works out in Infinity War
Also the Doctor Strange prequel comic gives Kaesillius a lot more backstory. Basically its a bunch of deleted scenes showing the exact reason WHY he's so angry at The Ancient One. The film alone didn't give the villian any depth.
Chatroom Goon he got like one laugh from wong
what prequel comic?
Azkuula prelude, prequel idk the correct terminology but I found it in Barnes & Noble
I can listen to these 3 talk about Movies all day they are incredible at giving analysis, opinions, explanations, critiques and suggestions when it comes to cinema.
Actually, Benedict Cumberbatch provided the Mo-Cap for Dormammu!
Btw, I loved Dormammu, I think mocap was done very well, and his anger when he understood he is in time loop with Strange was almost comical. Nice to hear that Benedict did it too (it felt a bit Smoug-ish, but in good sense) :)
i was worry how Dormammu would had look in the big screen.. especially when you first see him .. its almost cloudish much like fantastic 4 take on galactus
Not My Name Get a life dude, he's a great actor.
Your opinion.
Did anyone noticed that before Strange had the accident, the guy in the phone says that he had a pacient. "Who couldnt walk and have an accidente in an armor"? Aka War Machine...
Just saw the movie; good catch!!!
Darewin Ocampo that timing wouldn't add up.
the cap 3 scene also happened in Germany... he works in NY
Hmmmm...a good reason for me to see this movie again..lol...gotta confirm this...
the timing does not work because hydra already had strange as a person of interest back in the winter soldier. i believe this movie is between avengers 1 and winter soldier.
Just saw Dr. Strange and couldn't wait to get home and hear the spoiler review. Really enjoyed it.
Maybe McAdams didn't freak out too much because she lives in a world, and just in her city, which was invaded by aliens, a green hulking monster, a God from another world with a magic hammer, and where the Avengers live. A ghost seems pretty tame after that.
It's basically Dr.House in the Harry Potter world
I loved the character and Cumberbatch's portrayal, the magic, the ending (the fact that he won using his intellect and not power). But most of all, I loved that damn cape of his. That thing was a scene stealer :D
His training couldn't have been over years, cause before his accident, he's offered the chance to work on War Machine, so he's a doctor at the time of Civil War.
DannyDankTv He was told there was an Air Force Colonel with a spinal injury that was in a mech suit. Something like that, but it alludes to Rhodes.
The director said that it wasn't Rhodey.
I got the impression it was the guy from iron man 2 when hammer is shown testing suits
dormammu couldn't break himself out of the loop because in his world time doesn't exist so this was the first time he was experiencing time.
Ah! Yes that makes sense now. There's a lot in this movie, it's easy to miss things.
And Dr. Strange had the Time Gem!
That sold the scene for me even more at the end.
DR STRANGE = ACADEMY AWARD for Best Visual Effects!
I'm a big super hero fan but didn't know a thing about Doctor Strange. It wasn't until John said how incredible the special effects were in that sneak peak that decided to buy tickets for opening night and I loved the movie :)
Best ending cutscene ever!!!
No ones going to mention the confirmation of the Living Tribunal in the MCU? Or the hinting at Galactus when Kaciulius mentions "the devourer of worlds"? I was high as fuck when I saw this movie and I still picked those things out lmao
Marvel's winning streak with "UNIQUE Super hero movies" continues:
Starting with Guardians of The Galaxy (Cool Music with space scenes)
Then Ant-man (insect and shrink scenes)
and now DR. Strange. (the most unique of them all!)
i think the most interesting part of the movie was the line "the bill comes to you, always", implying the great cost of strange's powers. what does this mean for the future of doctor strange? is this cost eventually going to summon shuma gorath maybe?
Due not you.. Bills come duo
the reason dormammu couldn't break out of the time loop was because in the dark dimension time doesn't exist. Strange brought in the time gem and had overall control over dormammu because he brought time into a timeless place
Exactly! he literally brought time into the dark dimension, but regarding Kristian's complaints about Rachel McAdams reaction, or lack there of, I think at that point in time she is probably aware of the Avengers and all the powered people in the universe, so that fact that Stephan Strange is now "powered" is shocking, but not unheard of, but the writers should have had some dialogue in there where Rachel's character acknowledged she has heard of the Avengers or seen the Battle of New York, something like that but overall I really enjoyed Dr. Strange, hope we get more Dormmammu
Aaron Parker I agree. I loved the film it is absolutely an accomplishment in cinema. maybe dormammu will come back in in a form more like his looks in the comics. if ego the living planet can make a Kurt Russell version of himself then dormammu could could come back with a flaming head and a body...
I believe Dormamu fell for the time loop trick because he has no concept of time. Remember the line strange says before confronting him...
Yes. Mads character was on earth and in a dimension that has time, so they can break out of that rewind spell. The Dark dimension has no time and Strange brought it there with the Stone.
The Wong laugh was a call back to his earlier comment "did they work for you" ... so it was recognition that Wong realized that Dr Strange was now in charge.
Mordo was already viscous. They said that the whole movie. He's a strong warrior that has killed people and he told strange he has no problem killing for what he believes is right.
Emerson Herndon Yeah I think someone should have mentioned that. In fact he told strange that he wouldn't hesitate to snuff out anyone in "his" way. Also I feel the reason why the nurse lady wasn't over surprised was that there are already men in iron suits, gods with lightning hammers and green monsters established in her world, even on the TV show Luke cage people are just as surprised as she is when they see what Luke does.
Brian Nwabuoku THANK YOU! I was just telling my friend yesterday that the only (one of few) things I hate about the MCU is that everyone is so surprised when ppl do enhanced things. I'm like bruh Aliens came out of the sky with huge monsters. lol
Emerson Herndon Mordo literally told the Good doctor and the keeper of books that basically he will not follow their path anymore , so to Me that was a Big hint he would turn against them
Emerson Herndon there was also the line of the ancient one telling him he couldn't get over his demons just rise above them.
The810kid oh yeah for sure. Good one.
6.5/10. Strange's character development is off for me. It's fast-paced, spoonfed, and some of the parts aren't well explained. Like, what's with Stephen Strange the the Ancient One chose him to be her student? It seems like, everyone can be like Strange if you just know the name of the Ancient One's place, and if you happen to meet Mordo somewhere. The pacing of the training is poorly edited and explained. It's fast paced, as if Strange became a sorcerer that easily. He lacks struggles and failures with his training. His character is really underdeveloped for me. But other than that, I loved the effects and the choreography. My most favorite part would be when the Ancient One is about to die, and had a conversation with Strange. That for me is really intimate, sincere, and emotional.
Ruskin Seril Same here but thinking about it Mr. Dr I mean Dr. Strange is a character that has so much complicity that it'll be hard to put in all together in a 2 hour film. But I agreed they didn't flush the origin story that well.
i dont get how critics say its the same ol villain....Mads freaking decapitated someone in the first minute...KILLED THE ANCIENT ONE, and he isnt dead. just banished to the dark dimension until dormamu figures out how to break his deal.
I think he is one of better villains who I wish got more screen time and more exposition. Would have made his terrible deeds more impactful.
Steve S. bro not to mention. the relics destruction and exposed the ancient one. almost making her a villian. it was very eerie and done well. nice twist. plus dormammu looked like a final boss. and he wasn't defeated. relics are still alive and mordo had an arc and became a villian at the end. these guys were more villians than suicide squad lolz. it was just fine.
Steve S. he's totally not the same villain, he furthers the story and entire timeline. Without him Mordo wouldn't have turned. Great villain.
But we don't really know anything about him, we don't even know what led him to the dark side. He was threatening but he needed more character depth.
His monologue alone when he was immobilized by Strange sold me, I literally started to think that maybe he is right, he was promising haven for all humanity while exposing the ancient one's lie.
I was thinking about the the point they were making about the Dr.Palmer not being terrified seeing Strange's astral form talking to her. She lives in a world where aliens have rained destruction from the sky and gods among men have stood up to fight them. That is why I don't think she was freaked out as much as if it happened to us in our reality.
Question!! .. Will Dr. Strange find Wasp from the subatomic dimension and save her ...I was kinda trying to make a connection between Strange powers and abilities with the Ant-man subplot about Wasps disappearance but I'm still not sure 🤔
Brandon Johnson same. The other worlds look like the micro universe, he has to be the way the wasp comes out.
Brandon Johnson I think so too! another question I have is will she be over 30 years older like Michael Douglas is now or will she still hold her same age in the micro verse?
Krystina Ferro ooooooooh good question because they did say time is no factor in the micro universe so she could be the same age she was when she got trapped ...but as she's coming out and getting bigger she could age expeditiously while she does that
Brandon Johnson Very interesting. I'm always excited for what could be. :)
Krystina Ferro I knooooo lol I immediately had a bunch of questions when the movie was over and I can't wait for next year
One of the reasons i think the time loop worked at the end with dormammu is because doctor strange basically introduces this beast to the concept of time. While some of the sorcerers that were able to break the loop had practice, dormammu didn't understand what was happening, so he had no power over it
(however, thought it wouldve been cool if we learned doctor strange really couldn't perform the time loop forever, which would've added tension as he kept getting killed)
Here's the thing with the jokes that fell flat. They fall flat initially, but they have a payoff later on. Also, when the cape collar touched his face, it was wiping away his tears, not hitting him in the face.
Great review guys! John Campea, i think i can explain the loop at the end. While Casillias was able to break out of the time reversal, that is different than a time loop. Dormamu was able to also break out of the time warp, but he was caught in an endless loop. This is proven, because he didnt say the same thing every time to dr strangein each loop, otherwise that would have meant he was caught in it. Not sure if this explained it well enough, its hard to put in words. Anyways, thanks for the vid guys!
I hate BS complaints. I swear. "People might not understand the magic." At what point in Harry Potter did anyone sit down and explain the science of the magic? When in Lord of the Rings did they have the wizard exposition scene where Gandolf explain how his magic worked? "This might be the first time someone goes to a Marvel movie and they might get confused?" Remember how this crew constantly says that these movies are for the general audience and not the comic geeks because they don't have the numbers to seriously support comic movies? You know whose numbers are smaller? The amount of people who haven't seen a Marvel Studios movie. Half of that number exists because they were just born and aren't at an age where they can understand Thomas the Tank Engine, let alone a bloody Marvel movie. (Kristen would watch Thomas and complain "They didn't explain how the trains could talk.") Harloff's complaints came down to "because I didn't get it, there's going to be this mass of people who won't get it either. They don't read the comics so they will be lost." Yeah, because the people who didn't read Harry Potter watched those movies and went "Hey, they didn't explain the physics of Hogwarts magic enough." And this idiotic complaint of "understanding the villain more." Because I remember those scenes in the original Star Wars Trilogy where they took time to explain Darth Vader's motivation. Maybe that 10 minutes of Darth Vader training is in the extras somewhere. Oh wait, his back story was told via throw-away lines by other characters. Oh wait, they did actually tell his whole back story in three prequels, and that turned out great. Didn't it? Sometimes a villain is just a villain. He does not have to be the biggest focus of the story. it took Marvel 15 year to truly backstory Doctor Doom. Green Goblin's whole motivation in the 1960's was "I want to put on a mask and fight Spider-Man." Joker? Oh yeah, they told his backstory once and. . .okay, that was by the god of comic writers so that did work out. For the most part this endless bitching about the villains is just whining. We do not have to have a bloody psychological examination of every damn comic book villain brought to movie screens. When anyone tries to do that in rarely works out.
The sorcery sequence especially with Tutting was just mind-bending. It felt like hypnosis that choreographed so perfectly. Seeing how they harness energy and shape reality was just tripping. The psychedelic vibe in this film was what made this Marvel film so unique. At the same time it had a Thor vibe to it as well. The ancient one channeling energy from The Dark Dimension was here way of seeking redemption and even though she broke the rule she had her reasons for what she did. The arrogance of Doctor Strange was captured so perfectly that it came out straight out of the comic book pages. The sequence to when Strange is looking out from the Sanctum Sanctorum felt straight out the comic book pages. The fight choreography especially for The Ancient One was just incredible there was cross between Kung Fu and Praying Mantus style of fighting.
I loved the bargaining scene. It reminded me of Groundhog's Day. They should've had a third end credit scene just showing Bill Murray rolling over in bed and hitting the snooze button when the alarm goes off.
I think Christine didn't totally freak out at Stephen's astral projection because she was focused on the job at hand. She's a doctor and there was a dying man in front of her, so she compartmentalized and focused on saving his life, knowing she needed to keep a cool head in the operating room and that she'd have time to process later.
Most of the negative points they made are actually explained in the movie! You guys just missed it.
My favorite thing about the way magic was used didn't occur to me until after I left the theater. They never used "magic words". There was no yelling nonsensical phrases like in Harry Potter movies. That really helped to separate Doctor Strange from other magical stories.
Freaking loved it. I am STOKED to see this again, and to see Strange in the rest of the MCU. I give this movie a solid 9 out of 10. Kaecilius didn't work for me as the villian. I thought his character was not developed enough. Also, I agree with the time frame, from when Strange got in his accident to the time when he first fights Kaecilius. That was pretty fuzzy. But overall, it was visually stunning, one of the most breathtaking MCU movies we've seen yet, the acting was fantastic, and the story was brought to life in a refreshing way. I feel like they purposely left things out about Strange and the Ancient One because, why would you reveal all of your secrets in the first movie? We have a lot to look forward to in the next movie, and seeing him in the next Avengers movie. I will be going to see this movie again, and this time in IMAX 3D! I saw it in Dolby Cinema at AMC, but it wasn't in 3D. So, I will definitely be doing that next time around. Loved this movie!!
thank you kristian for being realistic about this movie. it was just okay in my opinion
I haven't read any Doctor Strange comics and I wasn't lost at all.
This film is awesome. I give it a 9.5 to for the same reason Schnepp mentions. This is now my #1 MCU movie. I havn't followed the comics in a couple decades. Though now I'm curious to go back and check them out. Watching this movie is like watching a Escher/Dali painting come to life. Finally some fresh effects that really inspire my own ideas. Good work and thanks to all the people involved in this masterpiece!
The reason Dormammu couldn't break the loop was because he had no concept of time
The Cape wiping away the tears, and him popping the collar, I loved that
A, It was funny, B, It solidifies the fact they now have a bond
Dude on the left just doesn't know Dr. Strange. And how much more about Mad's character does he want to know? Does he want to know his favorite color or something?
Doctor Strange's time loop spell on Dormmamu was smart. Its just crazy how he has to keep dying brutal deaths until Dormmamu decided to bend to Strange's bargain.
Big fan of Dr. Strange like Schnepp
Watch it yesterday and it was awesome!
I can totally see strange as a leader. I love how the avengers choose their leader. They just let the one who seems better at the job take it, without too much hassle. They also complement each other and use each other for the best and are left the option of complete autonomy if its more appropiate. They are an example for any organization.
Harloff is kinda being a nitpicking Nancy about Doctor Strange.
I think we will see Stephen Strange already next year, in Thor: Ragnarök. It feels like the scene with him and thor is a clip from that movie, like we got with the Civil War clip in the end of Ant-Man.
I've seen the film 3 times so far... Needless to say I loved it
Spideymrw If you're seeing it in regular 3D I'd say no, but seeing it in IMAX is amazing
I love listening to your movie reviews after I watch a marvel movie! Thank you and Please keep up the good work! I'm a big fan!
it was best cb movie of this year
Mayank Chowdhury Agreed, it's my favourite, above Deadpool and Civil War.
It's an infinity stone, Kristian. Of course it is incredibly powerful. I thought the ending was very creative. Also personally thought Dormammu didn't look bad. Being an extra-dimensional being, he rippled as if your eye couldn't quite focus on him.
The first post credits scene has me so pumped for Ragnarok. Don't even care about GoTG 2.
The chronology bugged me too. In the car before the crash, the voice on the phone was clearly describing Rhodey's injury from Civil War, which implies that Strange's training didn't start years before "present day" in the MCU (something that someone from Collider postulated before). This meant that Strange's training happened within a very short time period. Though this explains the problem Schnepp raised about Kaecilius, it didn't seem believable to me even when they explained that he was devouring the books with his photographic memory.
About the power of Doctor Strange. Yeah he's powerful, but the that power comes at a high cost. They've touched on it, but Strange is using magic at a cost. That's his downfall. This will be what comes in the next movie.
chriscruz23 You're just repeating what Mordo said.
yeah, but a lot of people aren't grasping the severity of what he's saying. If you've read the newest Doctor Strange series, this is a major point brought to light. This is what's going to move the story line of the next movie. Hoping he will fight nightmare and have the cost of his magic come to light.
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Exactly, it's already in the movie that Dr. Strange is playing with fire by doing the things that he does.
Kind of like The Ancient One did.
Oddly enough I think the plot of this movie is one of the strongest of the MCU, it's just a few aspects of the execution that drag it down (I wasn't a fan of Dr. Strange surviving in his first fight with Kaecilius for so long, he should have been little more than a mouse in a cage at that point, they either needed to show more of Dr. Strange fighting before hand, or have him show less ability when defending himself).
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I agree, I thought Tilda Swinton was the best thing about this film. The way she carried herself through her dialogue and in the action sequences was amazing!
I was never a Dr. Strange fan growing up. I actually stayed away from the comics. I always found it Strange (pun intended). So watching this movie, it was strange, and I totally didn't get the little things that other true Dr Strange comic fans got. So with me, I thought it was well acted. Lacked villain development, but that's understandable. This couldn't be too long of a movie. Overall, to me it was OK. I liked the visuals, but if you don't get it, you can't love it, and that's me. I just couldn't get into it.
Love how the cape was it's own character! Tilda and Benn owned this movie, but they were all sooo well cast and great. And the humor was on point and genuinely made me lol. Hurt people, hurt people, and when he cut Christine to the quick in that scene my gut hurt, man. So the scene on the balcony with TAO were you see him changing and at the end when he sacrifices himself were really powerful. Another fav: When he finally makes Wong laugh...when he least expects it! :)) Just fantastic chemistry between everyone in the cast, kudos.
I loved the movie saw it today
I actually like that the film didn't attempt to shoehorn Rachel McAdams into the climax. That was frustrating with Raimi's Spider-Man films, and a bunch of other superhero films too.
For me one of the best marvel movie
ACADEMY AWARD for Best Visual Effects!
Mordo turning into a villain is everything I could have wanted. Ever since Campea mentioned Ejiofor as a villain in Serenity I've wanted to see him play a villain again. I was so excited during the post credit scene.
This movie was....just OK
I believe the director said dormamu ( I'm sure that's spell wrong ) doesn't really have a body let alone a face so he improvised to talk to strange also Kristen should explain how force ghosts work and why Luke wasn't freaked out 😤
Mordo could turn out to be as fleshed out as Loki i like the ground work they've put in with him.
I agree. Everyone says Loki is the best villain because of Avengers, but that's only because he was set up in the first Thor movie in which I didn't think he was a great villain. And I actually liked Kaecilius in this movie. I loved the Mr. Doctor joke. lol
Yes, John! I totally thought of the magic carpet from Aladdin! Yea see I didn't get that it was suppose to be years going by. The whole time span felt like maybe a year tops. How long was he away in Nepal? Cause Rachel McAdam's character didn't really react to seeing him like he's been gone for a long time. I agree with John they need to explain Strange being so adept so quickly and also more about how and why they can do these things. I need to rewatch this again, there's a lot of information in this.
Tilda Swinton really stood out for me too.
Kaecilius personally broke out of the effect of the time loop reversal, but he could not change the environment. Dormammu was not affected by the time loop at all (he did not reverse with the environment), but he was still trapped in the environmental loop; just as was Kaecilius.
I rate my Comic Book films on a simple scale..If a movie makes me want to go out and read more about a character then in my opinion, it's a good film. Doctor Strange has well and truly done this. I'll definitely be reading some Doctor Strange Comics.
I give it a 6/10. wasn't blown away by it but I wasn't disappointed either. I thought it was a good time
I feel as if they took the Mr.fantastic vs. Galactus and replaced the Ultimate Nullifier with the time gem and made Dormammu MCU's Galactus
I have a friend who is well-known for saying, "That's a thing." We cracked up when Strange delivered that line in the same inflection as my friend.
My only complaint is that I wish it was longer. Loved this movie! My favorite MCU film to date.
The cape was wiping the tears off is face cause he just finished crying it wasn't just rubbing his face
For Kristian: Doctor Strange told Wong's character that he has a photographic memory and that's why he was able to read all the books in that library. And it's also the main reason why Strange wants to read the advance books where he learned how to manipulate the Eye Of Agammotto, that's why he wasn't shown to be an incompetent rookie like Antman.
a MCU movie where the villian was the main character would be something id want to see..with the complaints about the lack of memorable villians i thnk this could solve alot of those problems & give a fresh perspective of antagonist turned protagonist essentially..infinity war part 2 frm Thanos perspective for instance would be dope af!
Benedict C actually did motion cap for Dormamu's face, so great point Schnepp about him reflecting what a humanoid would look like.
John that was a great point about Mordo 👌 I was just thinking he's the Sinestro of Doctor Strange
Regarding Campea's comment about the cloak of levitation and the collar pop, I think that was a great nod to comic fans, because as you know, Doctor Strange always has his collar popped! Also, the cloak is wiping his face because Strange has tears in his eyes after parting with Christine Palmer. It's a scene to establish the relationship between Strange and the cloak. It's a very Disney thing to do! You can clearly see subtle tears on Strange's face in IMAX. One of the great things about IMAX is seeing the subtle nuances to facial expression. I even picked up that Mads Mikkelsen had a tear coming down his face when he was chained up talking to Strange in the Sanctum. It was around the time his was telling of his aguish that the Ancient One was withholding secrets from him about eternal life. So in reality, Mads Mikkelsen's character does have some depth. You just have to look for it.
Thanks to Jon Schnepp for recommending the Chinese Mann TLC theater for enhancing the Dr. Strange movie watching experience. I caught it at Sunday's 1st showing and my expectations were met and exceeded. Like Schnepp, I grew up with the Ditko original Dr. Strange comics which was my favorite. Again thanks for the recommendation during Movie Talk.
Really didnt mind the fact that the villian wasnt given much considering he was threatening and i knew his plans. This was more about dr strange, and his journey, and showing us that he has the ability and intellect to fight god like beings which will come in handy for thanos. I guess because im looking towards the future I understood snd didnt mind alot of the artistic choices
I'm so glad that Campea made the Green Lantern comparison I was thinking the exact same thing when I saw Mordo and it immediately made me think of the Sinestro and Green Lantern. Was thinking about it the whole movie.