How an Extinct Fish was found in a Golf Course Pond
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Finding extinct fish out of pure pettiness. Love it
AVNJ is the guy that can find the megalodon
@@internetlurker1850 he did, didn't you hear!? Is been extinct for quite some time though.
or should you say: putt-iness
@@batmorrigan7616 David Wellington killed it
@@internetlurker1850 "Okay, I might have found a 60ft-long subspecies of macropredatory shark in the Marianna Trench *BUT IT'S NOT THE MEGALODON!* "
- AVJN on his discovery of the kaiju sleeper shark _Somniosus pacificus japonicus_ , 2024
Just to be clear, the pearl dace is not considered extinct in general, just in New Jersey. In fact it’s incredibly common elsewhere. Some of the comments seem to not fully understand this
Yeah, he should have put locally extinct in the title, but I get it, need clicks. He put in a lot of work.
@@TheGuruStud It's the same fish or different? Is there a difference between NJ one and others.
One of the many kinds of Dace (creek chubs).
They’re clearly commenting without watching, because I just learned what expirpated means by watching this video.
Titles are only for clicks
That's so funny to me that this supposedly locally extinct fish was just chilling in a golf pond scamming everybody.
I hate it when I fall into a golf course pond and get mistaken for extinct
@@berhonkusbardledooholy shit a rare berhonkus
I just took a quick nap. Cant you do this without being tought of as extinct?
Yeah, I really wish I hadn't given my credit card details to a Pearl Daze.
@@danielreed5199 DAZECOIN TO THE MOON (not financial advice)
The considered totally extinct Robust Red Horse Sucker a large fresh water species was, unknown to me, classified as extinct. I live in Georgia and have caught this fish since childhood in the Savanah River below the Clark's Hill Dam. I didn't realize the fish was "extinct" until a news paper article announced the "discovery" of the fish.
Old timers here still grapple for them in a local creek...they can them...similar to canned salmon... Or so they say
@@loraroark3327 Now that is "Old School"!!
Sure you aren't confusing Red Horse with White Horse? Reds are prolific in the Midwest and mid south.
@@TheOtherPinkMeat I'm not confused. I know exactly what was stated.
As someone not well versed in American culture it would be so much more helpful if these fish names were in scientific format. I tried looking some of them up on Wikipedia but it’s a lost cause without their Latin names.
I did something similar this summer with the northern madtom. In Michigan fish and wildlife had only recorded 14 in the entire state. I found 6 in under 20 minutes. Where were they hidding? In front of a seafood restaurant.
As someone that lives in Michigan, that's very interesting to know
@@LuckyOwI777 I posted a video on my channel about it “the rarest fish in the Great Lakes?” I plan on doing follow ups on them when it’s spawning season again
@@Belowbluewaterdiver Oh, sweet! I might actually check that out. I've never really put in too much time in learning lots about different wildlife in my state, outside of more common knowledge
That's kinda funny.
I live in michigan where were they located at?
What a fantastic find. It reminds me of an aquarium that was sitting in an old church classroom that hadn’t been cleaned in years. Janitor came in and fed them, but the class had been unused for a few years and you could barely even tell something was in there.
Snails, real plants and a huge amount of little guys I couldn’t recognize as a teen. We took them home, as they had to get rid of the whole thing. We left it alone for a while, but after trying to clean it a bit, we filtered the water slowly, and scraped the scum off the sides, and found out there was over 40 small little fish in a maybe 50gal tank… I went back and asked and he told us they had only started with three and had no idea there was that many because it was so cloudy!
The school ended up taking them back and using the opportunity to teach the new wave of students about caring for animals. It was a really cool experience about how nature can thrive even when you least expect it.
I'd guess they were guppies. Those little guys have a knack for breeding and surviving in the worst conditions.
They just don't tend to keep the fancy colors after a few years of unsupervised breeding.
@@stevenschnepp576 that makes sense. I would assume so, but I also don’t trust my memory to definitively identify them. 😅
Sure, once you get it all fixed up the school notices it again.
It’s not a water hazard. It’s a water home.
best comment
I'm really high and this comment almost made me cry 😭
@@AVNJ Logic dictates that this is one fish and could not possibly be the only one of it's kind in this lake. There would have to be breeding population obviously.
So where are the rest of them that nobody has ever found? It makes no sense so I seriously doubt your claims for that reason. I think you planted it for views.
Do you have solid evidence to prove my claim wrong?
@@F4Insight-uq6ntHow about the fact he showed he was looking for it for literal hours?
He may have caught more than one, the fish in the video look like different fish. And as he said he only needs one to prove there is a population.
The Oregon Slender Salamander was thought to be extremely rare due to its preference for pristine montane forests. Turns out there is a population living in East Portland suburbs, hanging out under concrete blocks and invasive ivy in people’s backyards.
I recall a story about trout that were thought to be extinct in the PACNW, but after dams were destroyed, they showed back up (SEVERAL decades after thought extinct) far upstream to breed. They had been waiting in the ocean the whole time to return to their natural spawning grounds. That's some insane survival skills!
The only logical explanation is that the pearl dace realized how fancy and exclusive they were, and transitioned to living off of the old money passing through the golf course
Marine biologist here, what a wonderful job you did! To spend so much time on something without monetary gain, or other "rewards", shows that you have a REAL passion for what you do. Please keep it up! ❤
The sea was angry that day, my friend.
@@hansangbWhoa, big fella...Whoooa!
Great comment!
I thought it was just some old story, but NO it was AVNJ who found this fish. That’s so amazing how dedicated you are to this field. This sighting is revolutionary to native fishes and I can’t even imagine the amount of crazy amount of work you had to do in order to find it! Many would never think of it or give up halfway through but you persisted and found this fish! I’m so proud of you and this sighting. Also I remember when in the past you did the way to identify fishes. Good job AVNJ you are a role model in the fish field!
It’s not revolutionary that’s going way too far
The guy just wanted to find a fish
“The size of a normal family home”
*shows pond covering several acres*
As someone who grew up in NJ not knowing much about the wildlife in the area, it’s super cool to find a channel that’s been teaching more about my home state. Awesome work, funny fish man :DDD
Lol your name has seman
@@umayle07 damn 😔
This is amazing?! You're a true hero for putting in the work, rediscovering these wonderful fish, and raising awareness on behalf of them! We have special wildlife here in the US and it's important to recognize that and protect them! Thank you!
Excellent observations on your part.Thanks,I needed that!!!
as someone who is absolutely obsessed with my own local fauna(specifically arthropods) i 100% feel you on the frustration of no one seeming to care about your find. It can be so frustrating because you finding these fish is literally revolutionary! It's a breakthrough! Everything we know about pearl dace and other closely related members could have just changed, and beyond that, it's an incredible example of species once thought to be extinct actually existing just in a spot no one thought to check. I feel extremely happy knowing there are people out there like you who are looking after wildlife others consider insignificant, or likely don't even know about! Thank you so much for your research and finds, if not for the pearl dace, then for all the other local freshwater fishes in your state! We need more naturalists like you in the world
I mean typical "normal" people don't care about wildlife at all, it always seemed odd to me they can't identify maybe but one bird or tree, if that. Suburban/city people are very disconnected from nature.
I'm more of a flora person.
It's amazing to you, because you are passionate about it. You probably wouldn't care if someone found some new type of accounting that revolutionized business. You wouldn't care, because you aren't passionate about accounting. Nothing wrong with that, accounting is mind-numbingly boring. Just wanted to give you a different perspective.
you're right, i'm more into things that breathe and feel pain and have existed longer than humans have@@Dee-nonamnamrson8718
That awesome few people take interest in our world anymore , keep doing what you do .
While normally the problem, maybe the aquarium trade can help. Those look like awesome little micropredators, and in a tank, the conditions they want can be sustained fairly easily. It would be a way to build up a breeding population without the dangers of external factors
I was legit thinking the exact same thing
In Australia, species that are going extinct in their natural range end up being a pest in our environments... and the aquarium trade is a major contributor. I hope you are right but be open to the idea that having hundreds of unknown skill aquarium owners perhaps may put the fish in environments that damage local populations! I wish you luck and note that conservation is a frustrating game!!!
@@drfill9210 One of the local American aquarium groups here has been a key player (or players) for preserving the Australian Running River Rainbowfish, along with several other species. My local area is a good physical location for breeding tropical fish, as the local climate is temperate and must be done indoors.
@@Kehy_ThisNameWasAlreadyTaken yeah, there are always good people around
These fish are actually extremely common, just no longer found in his particular state, I catch them in minnow traps here all the time, they are only rare in New Jersey but are commonly found in the surrounding states
I hope that there is some chance of reintroducing the population to the rest of the state or that at least that population can thrive.
probably since these fish are small and probably have a short life span (dont know for sure) so there's a good chance breeding pairs are out there if this guy is able to find one
First he'd have to find ideal living conditions for them, and it sounds like that's quite a task
But golf course ponds might just be the solution, spreading the population artificially to man-made ponds that are supposed to look “pretty”. I wonder if there are special garden locations where this might work too-PA and DE locations like Longwood Gardens and the Nemours Estate is the type of thing I was thinking of. Nemours has formal French gardens, so that might have the necessary controlled environment and Longwood is a preservation, scientific studies, and education center as well as entertainment/tourism. Ofc, the science is mostly horticulture, but I got the impression it touched other disciplines as well.
they are food for for other fish, they used to be in a pond behind my house and once pickerel appeared it in they were all gone.
@@kellybraun7048it could increase the value of the property as well, considering that rare wildlife thought to be extinct thrive there.
100% for healthy scepticism, determination and a lot of effort. As a f/w biologist I appreciate the amount of time and labour that goes into such a venture. I have just learnt that you have access to the pond, so the next step is to somehow secure funding for a population study and an environmental survey. Good luck.
What all the Megalodon CZcamsrs failed to do for years (discover a specimen of an extinct species), your have accomplished 👏👏👏👏
Locally extinct technically.
@@andyfriederichsen Yeah, only on this planet.
A megalodon population has been thriving at a 200 boat marina in key west
Spinosaurs freely roam Switzerland
Ancient explosive rats live in chernobyl
This is very interesting. Sadly there was a similar story about a fish clinging to survival in only one pond, the Devil's Hole Pupfish, someone tried to kill it off! I was shocked and saddened that a species like us, so widely distributed, would deliberately set out to eliminate a species so desperately clinging to existence. I think the pupfish is still alive in one area and efforts are being made now to preserve it. I apologize if I got anything wrong. But that for this interesting piece!
Had a prof who talked about that kind of thing. Farmers aren't afraid of the cute little frog they found, but they're very afraid that the government will come in and destroy their livelihood. Often such things are noticed, and when done so mysteriously disappear, buried in a hole somewhere. It's frustrating in that it is the opposite of what almost everyone wants. The farmer wasn't bothered by the anima itselfl, the animal could clearly survive there, and everyone else wants it to.
Those pup fish are protected more than the chastity of your daughter. No one tried to destroy them. No one. It is impossible.
@@jtfike Just a two minute Google search is enough to prove that you're a liar.
Definitely stay on top of this, I wouldn't put it past the golf course to try to get rid of them. They might not want to deal with a rare species or the headaches they may come from it.... although it might be funny if they pond was declared a protected preserve.
Not that I care, but funny for whom?
@@clwest3538 in an ironic sense, the way it would cause more problems for the golf course. not to mention how terrible golf courses are for the environment
@@clwest3538 funny as in lowkey trolling the golf course lol
If I was the Golf Course Owners I'd Lean into it. Unique Fish found only here. Get your Teeshirts.
I don't know about how it's handled over there, but if I were the owner I would quickly poison all my ponds...
Nothing worse than to own property and the government puts a protection on it. Meaning they won't be the ones paying - it will be you :D
Goodonya mate!
This discovery of a rare animal living in a man made environment reminds of Australia's Barred Bandicoot.
Many years ago in the state of Victoria a population of Eastern or Western (I don't remember which) Barred Bandicoots was found living in a rubbish dump of mainly rusting cars. This helped to protect them from predation by feral cats and red foxes.
I think they were all captured and placed in a better natural area as a breeding population.
i should really watch these sorta presentation-like videos more, im really enjoying them lol
i learn a hell of a lot from these, love it !!
Agreed! He could just get the prompt next to the camera to look more profesh :D
I’m delighted these beautiful fish are still around! Hope they thrive, live long and prosper.
I grew up next to a golf course in Tennessee that has since been converted into a Civil War battlefield park.
Part of the conversion away from a golf course included removing ponds and replacing them with more "natural" water courses, but in the process they ended up killing a bunch of rare freshwater mussels that were amazingly huge, it was sad!
They was also a healthy population of alligator snapping turtles in those ponds, along with water mocasins that would sun themselves on the banks and sound like dogs when they jumped in the water!
Which one had the clams?
@mr.puddles5246 It was called Country Club of Franklin, now it's called Eastern Flank Battlefield Park.
It's the site of the Carnton Plantation and McGavock Confederate Cemetery.
@stephenbrand5661 I knew about the four guns in the center of town but haven't visited the battlefield there. Did the class get relocated or did we lose a species?
@mr.puddles5246 I really don't know to be honest.
Was the property managers informed that they were killing the rare freshwater mussels?
I lived in a state that supposedly had no mountain lions in it. Someone I know caught one on a trail cam as well as some prints. He contacted the state DNR and they just asked him if it attacked any cattle and never updated or made any announcements about it. As far as I still know they’re still listed as not in the state over 10 years later. I know that cougars have large ranges so they might not considered it native if it was on the edge of the state, but this was pretty much smack in the middle. Strange how the didn’t care
Im thinking lack of predators, especially introduced ones may be how they survived. And possibly have evolved to tolerate slightly different parameters as stream based varieties.
Maybe ask the golf course if you can come in and trap some for breeding? We have people do it in Australia for our rarer rainbows and other varieties of water creatures.
Thats my thought, i highly doubt even a golf course that couldent care less would particularly mind letting someone wander around and fill up a fish tank on off hours, if theres someone on management or staff who has even a modicum of concern for wild life id imagine permissions for such an effort would be a shoe in
Could even do them good publicity for helping to save a fish species, to me it would be a win-win situation with minimal involvement from the golf course owners
@@JRM92B RIght? easy PR win with basically no effort required
I would advise against this. If someone comes in and says there may be a protected species on a business' property, they are likely to dump a truckload of chlorine tablets into the pond just so they can say "No there isn't" to prevent government-imposed expense or control of their property being taken away.
@@hotjob9141 but they've already been found. If they did this now EPA or whoever they are would likely destroy them in court. Not only for killing wildlife but also for dumping toxic chemicals into a waterway with possible runoff to creeks etc.
Plus negative PR for the golf course.
Government won't take their land back, especially over a small fish which is found in other areas (different states) and isn't considered endangered outside of localised areas or states.
What an extraordinary effort! Very well done. What amazes me is the fact that golf courses use so many chemicals to maintain fairways and greens and the fish are still alive!
It’s amazing the impact that ONE person can have on something like this. You confirmed the survival of a species just through your own curiosity and activism. If more people embodied that ideal, the impact we could have on our environment and the creatures that inhabit it would be instrumental to the preservation of our biosphere.
It makes me think of those adult babies who block traffic, attempt to ruin art and other museum pieces, and just all around stomp their feet like screaming bratty toddlers calling it "activism". And it's always whatever is popular across the social media bandwagon, not only is it ineffective, it's purely counterproductive. This is what people need to do, or at least, this is where the real differences are made, In our own back yard. By applying ourselves, having realistic expectations, and discussing logical solutions. Unlike blocking cars demanding that they "stop oil"... which is a naturally occurring process. Their clothing and smart phones, guess what made that possible. They don't put any time or effort into really understanding these topics, or why we can't "just stop it". If only everything was so simple. While they're inconveniencing everyone and making people care less about their causes, the changes that could be made, are mostly ignored or overlooked. This is respectable, vandalism is not.
Next…find Bigfoot!
I work at a private golf course, and from what I know so far , the majority of them operate the same. What I'm getting at here is that not only is it surprising that they are still alive living in a small water hazard, the fact that courses put a lot of chemicals in those hazards as well, and you still have them living in there is crazy. Now, mostly, the chemicals are already diluted and won't have a massive effect like pesticides or growth regulators that can be into the pond from the rain of watering from the sprinkler systems. But there are some chemicals that have copper in the mixture for alge on the banks, even some courses put blue dye into the water to make it look decent. I'm not too sure about how toxic these are, but i would assume they do have an effect on the wildlife. I do not know if this course does this, but if anything similar to how a lot does operate, it just adds merit to how incredible this special is still living in that one pond.
To my knowledge they don't kill the fish, as that means they'd also kill other wildlife. Would create a smell. I've personally caught plenty of fish out of ponds that have been treated (aka turned blue) for mosquito larvae.
Pond dye does zero harm to fish and wildlife, in fact, it protects fish from predation because it makes the water harder to see into by birds of prey and other predators…i have owned a 2 acre pond for years and use pond dye quarterly, my fish population exploded because the coopers hawks, herons and racoons had more difficulty hunting.
This is very impressive, I'm more excited than ever at what you will do next 🙌👌
This fish: LETS GO GOLFING ⛳️ 🤙💸😍
The streams that flow into it will maintain some sort of natural integrity while flowing through the bottom of the pond
I can't believe you've caught every freshwater species in NJ. How old are you? That's quite a feat. I've been fishing my ass off in NJ for years, always targeting new species, and I've only got 30 species. Props to you man.
He looks about my grandsons age.
Amazing he's teaching this old lady (who already knew alot about fish) all kinds of fascinating new stuff. 👍
😎
In south Florida theres golf courses full of 40 inch snook and 60 lb tarpon. They go into the canals to breed and end up making it all the way into the lakes. It’s crazy to go to a little pond and hook a huge jumping tarpon.
fishing isn't allowed on the courses, so it sounds like they where accidentally protected?
Pearl Dace are a very small fish I believe, you'd have a hard time catching them on a traditional hook and reel
@@Zach0451 true, but I've seen people try to with nets too. Usually the biggest threat in the ponds is birds, algae outbreaks, and people trying to get balls from the pond
no, the biggest threat by far are the large predators which are stocked in the lakes, such as largemouth bass, as well as the chemicals the golf courses use to preserve their grass
@@AVNJ that's probably true for a lot of places, there is a golf course across the street to my house with some small natural ponds about the size of a small car, and there are only tiny fish, frogs, and ducks! But I obviously don't know about the bigger ones or other golf courses where the water looks treated
@@batmorrigan7616it's not even so much the treatment they use on the water that's a concern its the chemicals used on the grass that runs off with rain and when the grass is watered that is the big concern those chemicals can reek havoc on water chemistry
That fish looks and acts like the kids who gets picked last in basketball
Awesome! Excellent research and work! 🐟
This is kinda like how in northern Michigan they say there are no cougars, but I have 1 on trail cam eating some of my chickens. Just because a scientist (or your government) said it doesn't exist won't make it so.
Wow this was such a simple video. I love it! No bait and switch. No exaggerating. No clickbait. Non of that BS. Just a simple video relaying the facts. Hats off to you sir.
in my studies i have found that "private" property or more appropriately restricted access property supports many species that no longer exist outside those areas. so for me this is not much of a surprise. military properties are huge ecosystems that often preserve endangered or threatened species. a 180 acre golf course although micro in comparison could easily do the same.
EXTINCT SPECIES CAUGHT LACKING (*GONE WRONG*)(NEW GIRLFRIEND???)
they just wanted to chill for a couple centuries 😭
Wtf is thisyoutubr caption
This is, without a doubt, the most informative video about the pearldace fish ever presented.
Thank you.
Feels good, doesn’t it? I did the same thing with a dragonfly that had only been recorded once, in 1883 from Turkey, while it’s only known from recent observations some 1000 kilometers further east. I had to dodge a few bullets, but in 2002 I found a thriving population not far from where they had been collected over a century earlier.
Never been so interest on a little fish…great job young man, people like you make me have hope . Thank you and Carrie on.
The water temperature of the pond is outright interesting. Perhaps the fish managed to evolve/adapted to survive the warmer temperature. It reminds me of those moths that changed their color due to the smog. It would be cool if the golf course was willing to transplant the fish to their other ponds just in case. I would drive to the the local DNR with the fish in hand if I were you and reach out to a local university.
Yeah I'm curious what conditions allowed them to survive in such an unexpected place.
My first guess is in might be related to competition since in ecology that seems to be a major factor which limits where a species can survive long term, might there be no other fish present in the pond which can compete with them for their niche? If so then they could in principal possibly survive so long as conditions don't get too bad to make it impossible to breed.
The other possible factor might have to do with gulf course treatments as if my chance they were less effected by those treatments that competing species and the water conditions remained survivable then its possible that could compensate for the lack of ideal fitness for the habitat. Its also possible that the way they have maintained the water in these ponds could be contributing to the situation.
I am sure there are other factors that might be at play but those are the ones that come to mind.
I've never had an interest in small sight-hunting fish in New Jersey but your passion is infectious.
My instinct is that creeks and such are used as essentially dumping grounds and are too toxic. The golf ponds may end up cleaner just because they're being kept nice looking and no one uses them or plays in them.
i use to catch a minnow for trout season that looked identical to the iron colored shiner. There are quite a few minnows that resemble them though. Occasionally I would catch ones with them that looked identical except they had some red below the black line. that or the line was red. memory is foggy. i caught them in a beef cattle pasture that was very medowish. Trout loved them. I also raised some in an aquarium.
I only found them in a 2-3 mile strip of that stream and I only ever found them there in Pennsylvania. To this day I wish I knew the name of them. They were a large part of my childhood catching those minnows.
Most likely eastern blacknose dace
This is so cool and sad at the same time, it gives me hope but also makes me fear how many populations are at danger and only have one space they are alive
Hey mate- just mentioning a threatened species of frog in Australia- the green and golden bell frog inhabits almost exclusively polluted channels and golf courses. It's theorised that the pollution is not great for the frog but they can tolerate it, and toxic environments help to limit habitat loss and predation.
I’m so happy I subscribed to this channel recently, this is absolutely insane!!! Good luck with your fish-preservation endeavors :O as an aspiring ecologist, it’s cool to hear about!
The adult swim nostalgia from the intro hit hard
“All kids out of the pool”
“No eating in the pool! What is that? Is that…pimento cheese?”
this means the megalodon could also still be living in someones private pond!
seriously though this is really cool and they should really be protected
I don't wanna imagine it still being around but it's certainly a possibility
@@gabrielkawa3477 It's definitely not. A huge predator like that needs to eat a lot as well, only an extremely large area would be able to support one.
@@AirLancer Yeah, we've seen that said about many other things that exist
@@gabrielkawa3477such as?
@@gamemeister27Your mom, what else?
I had neighbors years ago that had a pond in their backyard. There are no fish in the pond when they moved in. Three years later it was full of fish. Fertilized eggs from waterfowl feathers were deposited into the pond
Awesome discovery!
you might see if you can contact the green keepers to see what they are doing, I am sure that pond maintenance is a high priority and is different than an ordinary farm pond or mill pond would be.
I JUST GOT OFF THE PHONE WITH THE CLUB AVNJ HAS FULL ACCESS TO THE POND ANYDAY BEFORE 11. If you would like you can call before you go, but if you go before 11am then you can get all the data you want. As long as you are friendly with the clubs property i.e. grass and sand traps. I hope this helps you do more research good job man. Also I told him it might be a small team of guys so if you bring a friend or two that will be fine too. Happy hunting.
Well done sir! At least someone has got off their couch and done something positive. I hope that future studies will point to ways in which the species can be conserved.
Golf courses topdress a lot, meaning we spread sand on greens, tees and fairways quite often for many reasons I won't list them. Sand does run off into these ponds, same as sand being applied to roads during winter weather it has to go somewhere when washed away. Rootzones on golf courses are sand based as well, golf greens have 12 inches of 90 to 95% sand the rest is peat to hold water but also drain, tees usually have less but around 4 to 6 inches with more peat, fairways can be a mixed bag, clay or sand, we use sand for drain lines as well as rocks, so ponds are a perfect place for it to end up especially on the edges and banks
Its so intriguing to me that these fish have found a way to survive despite the odds I would love to hear more about this story as it develops!
I Wonder how the eggs got there after the golf course was established. I’ve always been told that fish eggs can adhere to waterfowl legs/underbellies and then detach with the force of a landing in a new water body.
I hope the government gets back to you soon since a golf course pond is not the most stable habitat for a highly endangered fish to live in.
Loving the melee shirt! Your videos are super fun I love seeing people create passionate and nerdy content about niche topics like fish biology.
Sounds like we all need to start calling the NJ state government asking them what they're going to do about this.
Stocked by golfcourse owner to keep mosquitoes and other aquatic hatching flies down.
Also, this same method of mosquitoe control has allowed for invasive species to enter waters that they arent naturally from. Golf course ponds have great bait opportunities especially in the winter, which also allows the spread of non native species/invasive species.
This is great work. You should get together with a University biologist and publish a research paper on this.
this is so fucking remarkable. im remarking upon it now and i will continue remarking on it later to friends and acquaintances
What does AVNJ stand for?
Apart from that, I find it amazing that a golf course of all things could lead to something like this. Those things are some of the most geoengineered things around today with their 200 steps of keeping the grass as perfect as it is. I'd have thought the bunkers would be filled with anti-anything chemicals to help keep the grass green
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No one:
“Extinct fish”: imma hide in your local pond and you will never know about it
Cool that you found it. Good thing that both species of this fish (Northern and Allegheny pearl dace) are still abundant and of "least concern" in the rest of the country. Probably could been put in the pond during stocking of other fish. If there is an abundance of them in the pond. Maybe you can start repopulating in the state. Knowing NJs government, I'm sure they are slacking in the environmental department and way behind in their duties.
I'm in Spain so am not familiar with North American fish species, but we have some incredibly rare freshwater species here that are just hanging on. Keep up the good work and I hope that someone local finally wakes up and listens to you. Perhaps the title was a little misleading but just because this species is found elsewhere doesn't mean to say that it isn't very significant to rediscover it in part of its former range where it was believed to have disappeared. This fish is clearly meant to be in the state and it's due to man's utter thoughtlessness that it isn't. More ominously... once we begin to downplay the rediscovery of a species in one area that's still found elsewhere, we start down a dangerous road of complacency. What is common now can easily vanish forever. Remember the Passenger Pigeon.......
Well done for your persistence and diligence! I always thought Dace survived only in free-flowing water, not in a pond.
American flag looks better
Just saying
@@pureblood1005Nobody asked
This is the most giga chad thing you can do when it comes to fish prove something exists that everyone else thinks is extinct.
This seems really huge, man! Like legacy defining stuff. Congratulations on this find and I hope your contributions lead to change.
New Jersey Division of Fisheries: 'The Pearl Dace has been extirpated throughout our state.
Pearl Dace Minnow: Hold My Beer!
I wonder if they have gone through some sort of genetic changes being trapped in that pond for almost 60 years. Maybe they have become more heat tolerant and have adapted different hunting techniques due to the pressures of that environment. If so collecting some of those fish for captive breeding could be beneficial for repopulating water bodies that are not ideal for them. Jacobs creek in Central NJ would be a great place to start IMO its got what seems like a perfect variety of habitat for these little guys. Let us know if you get any more feedback from the state or the golf course.
No animal has genetically changed in the history of the world. Lol😂
@@jtfike "In the history of the world " that's all I had to see.
Please elaborate on your point without discrediting my post. Or is that asking you to use too much of your critical thinking skills?
Sounds like the Pecos pupfish, a species that is about to become listed not because they are dying out but because the area they live in keeps having the water sent to TX and the fish keep getting relocated to an area south of the study range.
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Nothing better than a driven, cute, smart guy!
I think this is a great opportunity for the gold course. They host the last known population of what was believed to be an extinct fish. They can host the Pearl Dace Invitational, a fund raising tournament. They can donate a portion of the fees to support research on this population, which is a win-win since businesses love tax write-offs and researchers love funding. Optically, it looks great for them.
...or some psycho will do something REALLY STUPID and....
This is far more likely, these days, sad as that would be..
@@ssnerd583 Just to be clear, this fish is incredibly common everywhere else- just not in New Jersey.
....OK...that is a bit less of an issue, then.....never underestimate stupid people doing stupid things.....they will find all new ways of amazing the hell out of you!!@@thelastdwemer
You know what this sounds like? A kid who had a pet fish released this fish to a pond and forgot about it.
#SAVETHEFISHES also astounding work i genuinely hope with every fiber of my being that you have saved these fish it's very rare when you get to say somethings not been made extinct by us. love from Virginia
You can’t really blame the biologists. Biologists don’t generally do exhaustive surveys looking for individual fish species. They regularly sample water bodies to assess the fish community. They don’t have the time or resources to look for specific species, generally, unless you are talking about game species or other species deemed more important by the fish gods. And honestly, there is a lot of debate on how much importance to place on state endangered or extirpated species in cases like this, where the species is abundant elsewhere and NJ has always been at the edge of its range.
Biologists are busy people with lots of duties, and do their best with what information and resources they have. Congrats on the find!
Here where i live (Croatia) we have a minnow species in forest creeks (phoxinus phoxinus), always liked those fish.
My uncle remembers there also being a golden minnow in our creeks, species endemic to croatia. I have only seen this (endangered) fish in a large aquarium place that holds croatian freshwater fish.
I never thought i would be interested in fish biology, but youtube blessed me today
Maybe you could get permission to do check the lake for more and record their current conditions, then submit in to a Fish & Wildlife office.
I don't think there'd be much incentive for the land owner to do that. If the pond gets declared a protected site, they'd be under heavy restrictions for what they could actually do with the land and it could affect their business.
I love what you do for my state’s science community
no fucking way
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I thought this was just going to be a random reddit story, but I was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be a passionate and petty fish biologist's discovery.
How about the native American tribes in the area of the golf course. They often have biologists that might be more open to preserving the Pearl Dace than the settler colonial owners of the golf course. Your discovery is important.
It is actually not surprising that small and elusive small species of fish are often overlooked. In Switzerland there were cases of fishes believed to be extinct were rediscovered.
But there are fish that are extremely close to extinction. The rarest of them all is the "Roi du Doubs" an endemic species in the Doubs river that will unfrortunately be extinct very soon. If it still exist at all.
"Extinct".....your title is sooooo misleading and you know it. Click bait
Honestly, think of the marketing opportunity you could help create for that golf course in exchange for (and possibly for the purpose of monetarily supporting) access to conduct conservation measures. That's a serious win-win.
i remember i was in a aquarium and there were these fish that had apparently gone extinct but they found a school of them in a abandoned Florida pool. thought that was neat
Golf course ponds are always loaded lol
Technically it’s dozens of other experts. You got the degree, the experience and the passion man, embrace the title.
Just imagining these pearl dace thriving off of a substrate bottom covered in golf balls. Maybe it's something with the golf balls contributing to their survival? Haha
You know the “Start Seeing Motorcycles” campaign? You should sell “Start Seeing Pearl Dace” bumper stickers, yard signs, etc. Use the proceeds to fund some sort of rehabilitation for the fish. Just an idea 🤷♀️
Animals are far tougher and adaptable than science wants to believe. Spotted owls could only live and reproduce in old growth forests. Then they were found nesting in new trees and even KMart signs.
I think the reaction from this video is very clear, high quality educational fish videos = money
these guys used to be in a pond behind my house in the woods back in the 70's. then either someone or other natural way pickerel were introduced, they ate them all .