Ashes of Creation: Making Gear Feel LEGENDARY Again
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- čas přidán 28. 11. 2021
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because the channel has basically taken a nose dive (likely due to how much the interest in Ashes of Creation has fallen off) I'm trying to branch the channel out a little and touch on more general MMO subjects! I always very much appreciate that you continue to watch my videos and hopfully the channel won't die... COPIUM
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because the channel has basically taken a nose dive (likely due to how much the interest in Ashes of Creation has fallen off) I'm trying to branch the channel out a little and touch on more general MMO subjects! As always very much appreciate that you continue to watch my videos and hopfully the channel won't die... COPIUM
anyway come join the discord:
discord.gg/sjmCSJRc
Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you die. Still loving the content
honestly you really do need to get off new worlds d***. idc which way that game goes just tired of hearing about it.. maybe look into runes of magic.
its another mmo that uses multiple class system. but it doesn't augment your original abilities the way AoC does.
It's hard to stop watching quality content.
I'm new around and loving the copi... Content so far. Keep it up!
Just found your channel and had to sub. Great video and I love your style. Keep at it because Ashes will only gain in popularity and the quality here speaks for itself.
Everquest had great Legendary Weapons called "Epic Weapons" that required a lot of work and a huge questline to get. I felt like GW2 took that idea and made it better. ;-)
I still remember when I got my Ragebringer back in the day!
I was around back in the Everquest days as well, and I definitely remember that. The game offered one BIS type "epic" weapon for each class, and obtaining it required a number of difficult and very time-consuming tasks. You definitely had the respect of other players if you had the epic weapon for your class. But the endgame eventually progressed beyond that to an instanced-based "Plane of Time" (which only the very top guilds could gain access to), and the Plane of Time gear was then superior to everything else, including the epic weapons. Fond memories of that game!
Loved my claws on my Beastlord! Used the offhand for the 40% haste until I swapped to 2h staff around...Omens of War or Gates of Discord? I don't remember when the Pole of Punishment was from.
I also played original EQ, never got my wizard weapon because it was such a pain to do. Had a friend that camped a rare spawn without sleep for more then 24 hours. heard tales of other people that camped rare spawns for longer.
I'd give props to Everquest and their epic weapons. They were unique to each class, and some had such solid utility that they remained relevant for several expansions regardless of stat power creep. They also eventually did Epic Weapons 2.0 down the road, due to previously mentioned stat power creep, around the time I stopped playing. You had to trek all over the world to do specific encounters and get the drops for your stuff. The appearances were generally pretty great, and it was just a really cool thing to aim for. The Berserker class came out shortly before or at the same time as the planned 2.0 launch, I don't remember, but the big bad raid boss you had to fight for their weapon was this sea serpent looking dragon out in the water. The entire raid needed to slam alcoholic beverages to raise their tolerance leading up to the raid in order to mitigate a crippling intoxication debuff that would just black out your screen and stun you for SEVERAL seconds. Good times! :D
Class-specific may be too large of an ask for Ashes with all the combos, but archetypal would still be cool!
You have defintiely put everquest on my radar :)
Hang in there Narc, The interest will pick up again, I can tell you ill always tune in, Like, and leave a comment.
Nice content and delivery. You're going to blow up. Keep it up.
i remember in Age of Conan MMO you had to go into 30+ players raid to craft the best weapons in middle of boss fight, now that was something rewarding when your entire guild had to get together to get you a weapon after you spend months gathering the resources or golds required
I'm really enjoying seeing you in a green screen location. The tavern reminded me of when I used to enjoy WoW way back or spent hours in Skyrim. Good times. Really hope Ashes becomes a game I would want to spend hours on.
I think Narc Gw 2 is i mean first mmorpg who have the best PvE System ever made!Fractals,events,puzzle jumping,raids too,also gear animations/effects looks crazy i hope AoC make similar like gw 2,but i think thats impposible!Gw 2 is just perfect game!
I agree with you Narc. I remember it taking 8 months to make my legendary in GW2. I also liked how the legendary scaled with you, so it wasn't wasted as you leveled. Being that 1 in 5000 person who grinded for it was cool. The legendary weapon also looked cool. I remember when I had to earn my blue and purple items in Vanilla WoW. I would love in AOC took the raiding from WOW, the story telling from FF14, the crafting system from Eve Online, and the legendary weapons and sieges from GW2. If they could pull that off this game would rock. I remember priests earning the legendary Benediction in Vanilla WoW.
One of the nicest updates to GW2 legendaries is the QoL that was added, that they could be any of the top tier stat combinations, ending having to have an armory to change builds.
I Invision the Legendary Items being of two types, dropped and crafted. This item tier is next to the top tier you can get which is Unique Legendary. The Legendary Crafted item should be a higher tier than just a Legendary Drop due to the time, material, and money invested. However since all three are Legendary, I see the stats only being separated by one or two points or by one more boosted stat in the case of the Unique.
I think the first thing to say is that epic gear needs to be epic and much rarer. If I was making a system, using the WoW colors, I would make green-blue the standard for general end game participation, with possibly even a few white pieces when you first hit endgame. If your reward system is gear, why make your life harder and just hand out purples, and progress to 5/6ths through the system before you even start. Green should be the standard starting point with a rare blue every now and again.
When it comes to Legendries, I think they should be rare. There should be a limit on how many there are, once a certain number of a legendary drop, it should not be possible to get more of them. Second their benefits should all be mechanic or % based, so they retain their value through expansions. Finally, I think they should be skill based, but you shouldn't be able to play specifically to get a legendary.
So a crafter may have an incredibly rare chance to craft a legendary instead of an epic, after he has crafted (x) epic items of the same type. Say a single use schematic drops.
A player may get a chance at a legendary drop on future kills, after they have killed the same endgame boss (x) times.
If you want you could combine some of these. So once you have crafted so many epic items, a legendary has a rare chance of dropping from a certain boss.
I also think that it would be worth it to build a system that creates legendary quests that are variable from server to server. Say, a body of 100+ very difficult riddle or puzzle, or crypto clues, where you have to solve a random 5 or 6 of them, different for everyone, to receive the legendary item, or trigger a chance at a drop from a boss. Once, a number of legendries have dropped from the quest, it should just drop an epic.
Bro the Valheim music
Valheim was the perfect example of what PVE play in an MMO should be.
I like your new scene. Thumbs up for you showing up on camera and your background
poor gabe and his special water... HAHAHAAHAHAHHA!
You are definitely an Ashes of creation homer like I am. I am so looking forward to this game, love your videos !
completely shitting all over new world bit by bit in every video is one of my favorite things about this channel
Hey Narc been watching your channel since you only had a few hundred subs, crazy you have over 12k subs now! Hope to play with you on the same server when this awesome game comes out!
Love DDO tawern background. Keep it
Hey Narc ide love to see a video about your thoughts on how 8v8 (one of each class) pvp will be balanced and all the different strategies and tactics group comps would be capable of ( in theory).
I'm gonna get diabetes with all this cope-a-cola I've been drinking
I would say words that meant things if I could think of them, you sir take my watch time and a thumb! I said good day.
I agree the gear you obtain must make you feel rewarded and happy. In wow it's just about item lvl and everybody on level 25 is looking like a 60 elite. I loved the old times in classic where you looked stupid with cloth shoulders on rogue and when leathers with agi dropped :O pure blessing. Those were good old times. I think you should make video on what should ashes of creation take from wow vanila or TBC, you know those good old days.
im following the update on ashe of creation since a long time now, love your video, clearly gonna gun for those legendairy when the game gonna release :D
What I think would be cool mechanic is where a random end game raid dungeon becomes empty. All the mobs and bosses in that dungeon become stronger and attacks a random major city
TO be fair, GW2 legendary system offers a bit more than just cosmetic. You can select any stats you want and change them at your will. You can change any runes/sigil or enhancement infusion attached to them without having to use a third party item or straight up destroying the item. In other words, someone with a full legendary set will saves up a tons of money by not having to recraft another weapon with another stats, rebuy/recraft sigil/runes/infusion and the person will always be able to use all stats available in the game without changing anything (you can be a DPS for one encounter and once you out of combat, you switch to a healer gear and becomes a healer for the next encounter. It happens rarely but this is an option).
Having legendaries in GW2 increases your QoL by a lot on the long run.
Hey Narc! Love the videos! Would it be possible for you to list all of the background music you use on your videos? I would absolutely love that!
It's the Valheim OST :)
@@Narc Awesome! Thank you!
This green screen in the back is legendary by it self
You want to look into legendary gear, look into how original EQ did it. There were some class specific weapons that people would try to get even after they weren't necessarily best in slot because of their abilities and usefulness. The down side was how much of a pain it was to get them. One of my friends stayed up more then 24 hours straight just to camp a rare spawn he needed.
Epic video! Very good content. 👍
I dig your style, so branch out if ya need to because its a huge genre with lots of potential video opportunities. Keep em coming and we'll keep watching!
The Epic 1.0-2.0 weapons in Everquest were amazing. That one item was more satisfying than 10 years worth ‘item level upgrade’ crap (with stats I don’t want) that another game offers me.
I like the idea of crafters needing legendary material to craft a legendary component needed to forge or make the legendary gear. That way different types of high level crafters will be needed and sought out. Would make it more difficult to acquire end game legendary gear really quickly as legendary materials may have extremely rare spawns in far and away places, raids, or both.
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When I think of legendary weapons I think of the time and effort it takes to build a silver weapon up in kings avatar (anime) from scratch
FF leggos are more or less expansion-long weapon constructions project for players to sink time into, rather than rare gear for the elite of the elite to show off in town. Recent expacs also dedicate entire suites of content for constructing them. (Which IMO is pretty cool.) Once completed they're more powerful than any other weapon in their expansion, BUT by the time you can finish one the most serious raiders have long cleared the last raid tier, so they're just overpowered weapons for players who have done the grind to have fun with when the expansion is sunsetting.
I'm gonna wait to see what happens when It's released cause speculation could be just like Amazon game that just came out
Gw2 legendary's are the main reason I love the game. It's a long journey but at the end you never need another of that type again forever on all your alts. Hands down the best system in MMOs in my opinion.
When you say boss dropped crafting materials they won't so much drop as require a sufficiently skilled harvester to harvest them from the boss. Then a sufficiently skilled processor to turn it into a material a crafter can use etc, and thus is the hope for a meaningful deep crafting system.
I’m a chad the doesn’t specialize on one skill, but rather goes for the jack of all trades. Ideally, I prefer to craft tools and mediocre peasant weapons. Axes, hoes, shovels, rakes, scythes, hunting equipment, bows, hammers, and other crafting, farming, and carpentry, and smithing tools. Not a lot of games make it worthwhile to make and sell tools :(
Side note- I hope they allow us to name the items we make
So your DDO video got me thinking about well.. D&D and the issue with gear actually relates. In D&D 4th edition they tied stats closely to hit chance in combat, long story short if your a 4th level player then you will basically never hit a 9th level monster. Well what this created was a scenario where the GM would have to constantly feed gear to the players or they would simply be unable to continue progressing. In 5th edition however, they reverted back to traditional combat where hit chance varied very little based on level. So a 4th level player could certainly hit a 9th level monster, the monster would generally laugh at the player but you could hit them and a party through simply action economy could take a larger monster down. This creates a scenario where the GM only gives gear that has meaning. So when you get the goblin slayer sword at level 2, and your still using it at level 10. It has meaning to your character and to the story.
Legendary should be VERY hard to get...I wanted them to do a archetype quest starting at level 10 and you continue till level cap. It's archetype specific, on par with top tier, but it's yours, and very hard to complete. An item is valued more earned than given.
*I'm not worried about the random Legendary drops from bosses, because the stats would be randomized.*
*Unless it was an upgrade for someone, it would just be deconstructed into Legendary materials to be used making something else.*
but that's the point right?? if "Legendary" weapons are just being deconstructed for their materials... should they really be "legendary"?
This game needs to come out within the next year…
RuneScape does legendary gear super well
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I've always preferred the crafting method to obtain a legendary weapon. Mainly because it supports casual players as well, it gives us something to work towards with our little time to play games.
Legendary itens are not for casual players. But yes, AoC will use crafting method. But not as easily as you might think. Legendary items are for a small percentage of players.
@@joaaocaampos I didn't mention AoC, but in general that's the method I prefer.
Good video. Big brain ideas on legendary weapons, but don't want to write an essay. Will take to discord. Join me, bois.
Maybe a character should only able to equip a limited amount from each rarity. So 1 legendary, 2 epic, 3 rares etc.
You mentioned that the tier syetm of old should have meaning again.
I dont think it can have meaning, if everyone has access to that same legendary gear....its cant be legendary (its typically simply the OP flavour of the month).
So for me, enforced rarity is as much a part of the quality tier system as flying mounts.
Thats not to say you can not have a wide variety of legendary gear, thats matched to equally unique builds.
But it is to say, you cant have a meta, if players cant duplicate builds.
If there is only 10 of a particular type of legendary, but a 1000 unique types of legendary, you can enforce class seperation out of the desire for high tier gear access.
Thus, parallel progression systems as a means of differentiation, where you are forced to choose alternate paths of development progress (specialisation), is a requirement to enable that.
Then you throw in the need for equally rare and specialised legendary crafters, with required legendary equipment/attire.....
Would be great if the loot drop is based on the amount of dmg taken, dps and healing instead of making a full dps party to loot with train and the tanks healers just picl up chests kek.
I think they should have epic/legendary for raid and dungeon drops sure (of course) but also the option of crafting a set or 2 for different professions, I'm a "casual" player and enjoy gathering, crafting, marketplace/auction house ect. And would have a better chance of crafting stuff then raiding for it
Legendary itens are not for casual players. But yes, AoC will use crafting for Legendaries. But not as easily as you might think. Legendary items are for a small percentage of players.
Despite the fact that GW2 has an excellent way of making legendary weapons, you can SELL the first generation in the trading post and imho anything "legendary" should not be able to be simply sold. In 2015 Anet added collections for precursors and few months later they gave up of these collections because they took so many time and effort from devs. I really think also that legendary items should not drop from a mob in any game, you should get some hard and expensive materials through different contents and use to craft.
pfff... I don't consider gen 1 legendaries prestigeous at all for this very reason. I think it's just an unfortanate mistake ArenaNet made by not having the kind of system they currently have for precursors... A Shame really because some of the gen 1s are really cool looking
100% agree
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I think it would be better if there was a limited amount of epic gear in any single server. Actually make it rare and possible to lose. Maybe your soul tied to it based on level and prestige. If you can craft epic gear, then it isn’t epic at all. Eventually everyone will have it which is silly.
In regards to FFXIV, that depends on what you’d call a “legendary weapon”. If it’s the ones that drop/get obtained through Eden 12 Savage, then yes. Those are extremely difficult to obtain mostly because the skill necessary on top of having a good team is hard to come by. If they’re Resistance weapons, they take a long time to make but they aren’t difficult.
The Legendary weapons in FFXIV are only cosmetic. Since FFXIV uses a verticle progression system, any gear you get will eventually be replaced by something better (stat wise) in the next expansion. However, the Ultimate weapons will always be extreamly difficult to get, there are only currently 3 ultimate fights and they are all gear capped fights that can't be cheesed. It took my raid group several months to beat just one of these fights. Its all about the glam baby!
I best liked legendary in classic wow where you would start tanking like a chad with tank, pve support god and dps with caster or pvp deleting the competition with 2h users if you would get one witch you wouldn't XD lol, get good! Oh, and they made you look like a God.
Im just hoping they space the gear out so its not huge leaps in power. I really hate gear being your characters main power, then everything gets bloated and skill becomes < gear basically, especially when you have a lot of gear even the small gains add up to a lot and players get killed by over-geared cookie cutter players. Make legendary gear, but make gear in general small gains.
In my opinion for pvp games gear should only be cosmetic
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gw2 legendary can switch stats tho...
No legendary should be "crafted" unless you you are a literal master at crafting and that should make you bad at combat.... cus no master crafter would be a master swordsman for example
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As cool and slick as FFXIV's Legendary Gear looks, that's really all they're good for: cosmetic. Unless they've changed how those work, as far as I can remember, they're not worth the time, and effort to obtain them. There's no bonus to stats, no set bonuses for wearing an entire set, no interesting or special traits/abilities/buffs for using them; they're just bland for the most part. Now, FFXI on the other hand, their Legendary Gear was beneficial, and had worthwhile stats and boons for one's respective job, that kept them viable.
FFXIV has nothing like that, as far as I know, at least. And with all the work one would put in to get those gear pieces, or sets, or weapons; they wouldn't be worth using anymore after the next batch of new dungeon content came out increasing the item level. It's a steep vertical progression, no horizontal at all; so basically you'd use them just for the glamour, which I suppose for most in the game, is good enough.
As someone who played Vanilla WoW back in 04 I am all for the hard work for little gain when it comes to epic/legendary gear. I have a little 'Jedi' style proverb for MMOs:
Through envy I gain determination, through determination I gain progress, through progress I gain achievement, through achievement I sit in the centre of a capital city for all the community to marvel at me.
It's a cycle when you read it more than a couple of times.
Thanks again Narc!
I feel that there should be only a few legendaries per server. Even epic items should be very rare to see, not only legendaries. I don't like to see all the entire server as a top tier warriors I mean that's so boring.
What really worries me about this game is that they'll take the route of most modern day mmos making the world so safe and easy to the point that it's just not interesting.
alternative world, to sink in, don't mean it must be focus on pvp, and for some reason some people don't get it. Story is not world too BTW. And in my opinion when everybody can craft legendary weapon... is not legendary is hard to craft, because everybody could if only have resources. But I agree that common, uncommon, rare, epic, legendary (unique, mystic, etc) lost they value, maybe games should put less different in them, and make them harder to obtain, but it would mean that to be good player you may use common and few rare and be good player, and people with time, skills, and will would get better gear. And IMHO Guild Wars 2 is bad, because you force players to do what they don't want, better would be to be best/one of best to get gear from pvp + some activity next to it (guild pvp and be good at 1vs1), but not pve and crafting with pvp... give different gear for each, so others would know how you get.
and if you don't want direct drop, then legendary component with is required to craft, but creator don't have to be person which have this drop, but some best crafter (NPC would required some effort and money to make it for you etc)
Oh, one nice system which would make crafters/gatherers welcome in party, is that bosses would not drop crafting materials, you have to extract it, and to have any chance for good one, you need investment in this tree.
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I love your videos keep it up with AoC content. All your previous videos before new world came out are also very unique. Your style of making content is unique.
I just have 1 opinion on how I have seen things and experienced that always gets a little on the people's nerves is that when you try to promote some product dont downplay other people's products.
Once in a while it's okay to knock other products down but almost every video that has come out after new world it has always been a beating towards it and co pared to ashes. Few times is okay but to me it just gets a little annoying seeing it over and over again.
Many of your fans might think this hut don't dare say it and many of them will roast me in my comments because of my opinion as well, but as a fan of your content I just have to say what I feel because that's what your channel has always been about.
Thankyou for making AoC content and keep making more.
yeah this is something I'm 100% struggling with... Branching out by keeping my core values intact is going to be challening... I'm hoping I can fix this issue with my new series as I'll be touching on ALOT of MMOs i've ever played before... but... we'll see
Altough i agree with the Guild Wars 2 legendary system, it should be noted you can buy them for €60 if you buy gold. This is not the case in FFXIV
4:10 Ok so thats not really true, you see, the thing with Guild Wars 2s legendary weapons is, that you can buy them with gold on the auction house and you can buy gold with gems in their official store and you can buy gems with real money. Granted, if you go from a price of 2k gold for one legendary greatsword wich is what I remember it would be around 112$ but that still completly invalidates the "You have to master all the ascpects of the Game to get one" thing.
You could also buy the two precursor weapons and do the remaining grind since that would be alot cheaper(at least it was when I played, one of my guildmates did it this way) since that would still safe you alot of grinding
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you can buy only generation 1 legendaries to. Since you craft them mainly for cosmetics , if you want a generation 2 , you need to do all by yourself. Note: only looser buy legendaries from TP :D
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you're the first person in the history of this channel to ever say that. I'm pretty sure it's a you issue my friend x
@@Narc maybe ;)
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Hey mate, I think you should focus more on videoing urself, rather than game broll. Like bellular
14 is a sad state of it's former self. Completely spoon feeds casuals. The content became mind-numbingly easy. Hasn't been challenging since 1.0
this game is still in overpriced beta?
Yeah....this game is never going to release. Best to stop supporting it in any way and let it die.
another guild wars ego stroke video. the game isnt even that good.
I disagree. What MMOs do you enjoy?
@@Narc WoW, before blizzard ruined it and lost ark. FFXIV would be good if quests didnt burry you in endless cutscenes and actually let you play the game.
I can't wait till this releases.....then fails after 3 months so the genre can stop trying to make mmo's focused on world pvp and get back to what a mmo is supposed to be.
GW2 Forever. Never play another Game :)