The Tolkien And Lewis Bromance: The Diana Glyer Interview
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- čas přidán 19. 10. 2020
- Today on The Babylon Bee Podcast, Kyle and Ethan talk to Diana Glyer, author of Bandersnatch: C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, and the Creative Collaboration of the Inklings.
She has spent 40 years combing through archives, studying old manuscripts, and is considered a leading expert on C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien. Her scholarship, her teaching, and her work as an artist all circle back to one common theme: creativity thrives in community.
Kyle and Ethan talk to Dr. Glyer about Tolkien, Lewis, and the creativity that can happen in a community like The Inklings.
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Definitely could listen to this lady answer a 100 questions and never become bored.
Can we all do a petition for Diana to be part of the Babylon Bee podcast from now on? Man she adds this ingredient the BB podcast is needing
Diana was really sweet and fascinating to listen to. She definitely brought a great perspective, at the same time put up with all of your hilarious jokes
"You have such thoughtful answers to my stupid questions" haha
I dont wonder about how drunk Tolkien was. I'm curious how hungry he was! Half of Fellowship is the characters going "let's eat" 🤣🤣🤣
mushrooms are tasty!
In post WWII Britain, literally everyone was half starved. Financially exhausted by staying free and fighting the war, they had to stay on rationing until well into the 1950s. In the long run, it was the Brits that really lost WWII.
@@robertforster355 so true.
Or Tolkien got the munchies when inebriated.
"Reading someone's book is like opening their heart." 💛
What an amazingly thoughtful lady. Great interview.
This was absolutely amazing! I love this, hearing intelligent people discussing the books of two truly brilliant men. Tolkien and Lewis both possessed cast intellects and hearing their work discussed intelligently and thoughtfully was a real treat!
That should read vast intellects
Yes
I was so impressed by Diana's comment that the book is about the heroism of ordinary people but the film is about warriors and wizards.
Love the works both authors, the fact that they were good friends is just icing on the cake.
This lady is intelligent and plays along with your silly humor and I love it
Michael Ward offers a pretty compelling theory for the seeming randomness of Narnia in his book Planet Narnia, including similar themes in the Space Trilogy. He proposed the seven books were the seven planets of the medieval cosmos, each of which is associated with multiple mythical characters and symbols.
I accidentally left this comment on a different video, a clip from this one:
@Ethan "What is up with Narnia all the time with random characters showing up, like Father Christmas, or those sylphs dancing in the woods"
It's not random at all, and I can't believe a Lewis scholar like Dr Glyer would let this drop. Just as Dr Glyer wrote The Company We Keep for academics, and distilled it to Bandersnatch for a general audience, Michael Ward wrote Planet Narnia for academics, and The Narnia Code for a general audience. He explains clearly how the underlying, hidden theme binding the Narnia books together, is The Planets -- in their medieval conception anyway, Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. Each book is one planet, and is suffused with that planet's ethos and mythology.
Read either The Narnia Code or Planet Narnia, and it will enable you to read all of Narnia again with fresh eyes!
I love the idea of a "generous imagination"--
Great stuff.
"Almost thou persuadest me to be a subscriber" -- The Bible, probably
No, but seriously, I am going to have to subscribe. Especially after the latest round of Social Media insanity.
Just bought fellowship of the rings this morning. Good timing
Just happy to be here with.. You.
I was devastated they left Bombadil out of films, Robin Williams was perfect for the role.
Oh man...... That would have been amazing!
Or Connor McGregor.
Bombadil was too powerful for Hollywood. Too pagan as well, I expect.
This was so good
I just about crapped myself during that final showdown in Perelandra, that was awesome
Sounds great!
Creator of ax cop. "narnia is too random"
23:37 Another "first" was That Hideous Strength, arguably influenced me to become a Latin and post-Roman Britain kind of geek.
The fascinating aspect of the Inklings members - Tolkien and Lewis in particular was that they seemed to have adored mythology and those elements would have no doubt made their way into their written work. I wonder if the actual mythology behind Mr Tumnus (the god Pan) would have offended Tolkien somehow? He did lift certain elements directly off European mythology as well but maybe he thought Lewis went too far? 😄 Just pondering. Love both these authors.
Some of the best parts of the Chronicles of Narnia are the parts that are type of story that are odyssey, or about things happening to the characters rather then centered on their doings.
What is the name of the painting that appears at about 25:30?
This woman is a genius.
8:26 How can you not have known? I guess there's a few but I'd say most people are aware.
#freethebee
How much influence did Chesterton have on Enid Blyton?
14:09 I think you are talking about a first read.
In my own case, I actually happened to read Prince Caspian first.
Perhaps that inspired me to be more of an apologist than a poet - Aslan being object of a faith vs atheism debate is the build-up in PC.
ok the double b on the simbol was kinda suprise. I have to admit
I never noticed it either!
Better Bee Better!
"The hobbit is Zacchaeus"
18:40 I think the "most dejected convert in England" was for Theism, believing in God - about one year before accepting Christ as true Saviour.
The acceptance of Christ as God came on a sunny day in a bus to the Zoo.
Why was this so short??? haha
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Aparently you tube is also censoring,, getting none of your vidios.
I love the LOTR books, but I can't understand Tom Bombadil for anything.
He's an icon of a spirit of nature. There's chaos and danger, but a stolid ally against the unnatural decay of Mordor and Sauron.
i think of him as sort of a green knight character, or a genius loci
My theory is that the fawn, or sator named Tumnus can be represented as the pagan god Pan. That is why tolkien was initially offended. Devoute Christians are taught to reject anything other then monotheism.
Tolkien loved Norse mythology. He was also Catholic, and Catholics have historically been entwined with classical education which *requires* some familiarity with Greco-Roman mythology. This argument is invalid and ignorant.
@@polyhymnia701 why is it ignorant? I grew up catholic and know a lot about the history. It's my opinion he was offended then changed his mind when he saw the entirety of it realizing it was more then children getting captured through a portal
@@derekv1718 If you grew up Catholic, you would know that the word "Catholic" is capitalized when referring to the faith.
Your argument is that Tolkien, a man who loved reading the adventures of Norse gods and heroes, was aghast and offended that Lewis used a mythological creature in his story because "Christians are trained to reject anything but monotheism." Tolkien was just fine with using ancient pagan creatures in fantasy stories *because he did it himself* - and in Catholic school, he would have read all the Greek and Roman Great Books like the Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid. This is a silly argument that contradicts what we all know about Tolkien. ☺
@@polyhymnia701 I see. Well put. Then why would he have been upset in your opinion? I grew up catholic but I am not one now. So I don't think it matters whether or not it's capitalized.
@@derekv1718 From what I understand, he just didn't like the aesthetics of it. Tolkien didn't think you could have an epic story about high kings and centaurs and evil sorceresses that also featured cute talking animals. Most of us wouldn't get as huffy about it as he did, but Tolkien could be a bit of a drama king when writing was concerned. I'm glad that he grew to appreciate these books over time, though.
Capitalizing the word "Catholic" is not a mark of deference for the Church or anything, it's just good grammar. The Catholic Church is a proper name, and proper names are always capitalized ☺
Living in Lord Of The Rings time now
I have to agree with Philip Pullman in that any author who would casually consign one of his child characters literally to hell in the way Lewis did at the end of his children's Christian epic is a man that is not worth reading in the first place. To Hades with the things!
She is not in Hell. She's the only one still alive at the end of the book, which you should probably actually read before commenting on it. Pullman is a sad, bitter old man who has a creepy obsession with Lewis and can't really be taken seriously.
@@polyhymnia701 Yes Pullman is a character all right, but the fact that in the concluding paragraph of the Narnia series Lewis did in fact abruptly consign the poor little girl, Susan I believe it was, to Hell for the sin of liking pretty frocks and so on, making your comment about reading the book totally laughable.
@@robertforster355 For the last time, she's the only one of the main characters still alive on Earth at the end. *She's not in Hell, nor does anyone imply that she's likely to go there.* They simply state that she's become a social climber who's obsessed with fancy clothes and going to parties, at the *expense of her relationship with her siblings.* She's also a young woman in her early twenties when the series ends, not a little kid. I can also tell you that the conversation about her occurs about 80% through the book, not in the very last paragraph as you so confidently claim. I know this because I own the book and have read it several times. Again, read the book before you make such silly and easily-disproven statements. And since you know Pullman is a loon, don't use him as a source.