i9-13900K Review vs Ryzen 9 7950X - The Fastest CPU in 2022
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2024
- The Intel i9-13900K and Ryzen 9 7950X are the best processors you can get for gaming and productivity right now in 2022. But is there a winner especially when power consumption and temperatures are taken into account?
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0:00 - i9-13900K vs 7950X Explained
1:18 - AMD has some Price Issues
2:12 - Intel Backwards Compatibility
2:49 - Z790 Idiocy
3:08 - i9-13900K ALL CORE Power Consumption
3:35 - i9-13900K GAMING Power Consumption
4:24 - Sponsor Spot
4:53 - ALL CORE Temperatures
5:35 - GAMING Temperatures
6:03 - Real World Benchmarks
8:02 - Extreme Rendering Benchmarks
8:57 - 1080p Gaming Benchmarks
10:12 - 1440p Gaming Benchmarks
11:04 - i9-13900K WITHOUT Limits
12:16 - Performance at Max Power
13:18 - This is Good for EVERYONE!
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You might notice our power & temps are a bit "low" compared to some other reviews. We strictly enforce Intel's power limits (253W Max Turbo Power in this case, and PL1=PL2) rather than letting motherboard manufacturers skew results in their favor. Out of the box MOST Z690 and Z790 board in Auto setting will allow "unlimited" power (up to 4095W). They do this in an effort to "win" comparative benchmarks, but it also messes with CPU-specific reviews by artificially boosting numbers. We do this so you guys can have representative performance on a wide rage of motherboards, even lower end ones that can't handle unlimited power limits. We address this at 11:04. But we'd love to hear your thoughts on this!
You're thermal throttling ill bet. How do you measure your temps? What utility do you use? HWUB uses the same power limit and they were thermal throttling, but they hit an average of 98 Degrees (Same as you), but they were on liquid cooling. But on air i highly doubt its able to cool that properly without thermal throttling.
@@vidfreak56 good point! 😎
We measure temperatures with HWInfo logging, as I'm sure they do. It was also evident that HUB was benching with unlimited power (likely Auto on their MSI board) which of course drives up temperatures. You can see that during their 30 minute Cinebench run where power hovers between 270W and 290W depending on temp spikes. As for throttling, technically the 13900K starts cutting clock speeds back at 82.5C which means pretty much every cooling solution "throttles".
Still I think these CPUs have poor value. It's a dying breed.
@@HardwareCanucks What part of the video did you watch? It starts at 19:49. The package limit on their video shows 250 watts, not 300+ watts. Current temperatures based on current power draw is what matters. If the CPU was being overclocked you would see those numbers constantly higher. The power is certainly not unlimited. What you do see is based on liquid cooling and at 250 watt power draw. Note that even the average value shows lower numbers. Spikes dont mean a thing here as the power even at 250 watts stays at 100 degrees. The average is 98 degrees, which is what you got. So the question is, what do YOUR values represent? Peak temps? Average? You're saying that the values you got hit 98 degrees and didnt go any further? HWINFO will tell you if you 're thermal throttling. You claim you hit 98 degrees on air w/o thermal throttling at all? Something doesnt add up.
LOL every cooling solution thermal throttles? No. You dont know what that even means. Controlling clock speed is not the same as full thermal throttling. One has to do with running a temperature/performance curve against proper cooling solutions and the other has to do with reaching tjmax. Even though most CPUS will limit max operating frequencies at higher temperatures, these CPUS no longer do that and max out boosting features. Thats why they run so hot. "PULLING BACK" isn't the same as "THERMAL THROTTLING" once you reach that point.
Great review Mike thanks! Been reading, yes, reading your reviews since back in the days of the written website and it's funny that now it feels as if Intel is keeping AMD in check, when for ages, back then, it felt the other way around. But as you pointed, the competition is great for us! Keep up the awesome work.
THANK YOU.
This reveiw is 10 X's better than the other reviews out there who seem to COMPLETELY IGNORE how the system actually operates under real world conditions.
Simply plugging it into the wall and watching it burn is what other reviewers were doing for some reason. "iTz ReElLY HoT!"
It actually has BETTER thermals in real world use cases.
This was a great review and I really appreciate showing the results with Intel's power limits enforced vs disabled. I wish more reviewers did that. One question though ... given the poor thermals using Intel's stock CPU frame, were you using the stock frame or an aftermarket one? The 12900k temps on your chart are definitely with the stock frame, so I'm guessing the same is the case for the 13900k. I'm really interested to see results with a 3rd party frame, as they made a significant difference with the 12900k.
The other reveiwers are completely idiotic.
This review is one of the only competent reveiws available.
There is more to a system than simply plugging it into the wall and watching it burn.
TBH, I don't really care that much about the fps graphs etc. as I get those from every single techsource I follow and by now I just have an absolute overload of those.
But the allaround context about boards, power consumption, BIOS limitations etc. are what keeps me as a regular viewer.
Thanks Mike, another great vid with lots of very valid and important real-life information!
Nobody fkn asked lol
The board change really shouldn't be a topic even now since I'd argue the only people upgrading CPU's every year are influencers and if they want the new CPU every year, they'll likely want the upgraded MB anyways, even if there's no big changes as CPU's generally are safe for years upon years especially when you go high end. My 8700k still performs with no issues
That cheapest AM5 motherboard isn’t really the lowest AM5 motherboard. They just didn’t make the lowest/cheapest one this gen.
It's really, really cool to see Intel match the 7950x in most CPU heavy workloads! The power draw is insane though.
well, 100$ less, might spend higher that day, but spend less paying electric bills
That's why it loses.
@@thg8997 You need a better cooling solution to to be able to extract that performance. You are not going to save anything in the end. You can be on AIR with AMD and you need an AIO for Intel.
@@evalangley3985 THATS BS!!!!
Are you buying CPU to stress test it or Cinebench it or use Aida? For average user he not gonna even reach half of 300W everyone talking about so even air cooler is fine.......
It cant match though. This only consideres cinebench. Gaming nexus did many tests and amd literaly beat it in all tests on workloads at 50watt less energy consumption.Amd is def better and consumes much less energy. In gaming etc amd consumes literaly twice less energy.
I appreciate the no click bait review..
hm power draw to performance comparison would be interesting. wats per frame, total power consumption of keyshot or blender render?
The i9-13900K is even faster in it's own Z790 platform. It is cheaper too. Performance beast!
Thanks for adding keyshot 11 to your benchmarks, I'm a product designer and keyshot is my main render software, I wondering if 13900KS performs better or just go with 13900
Genuinely curious how many people socket compatibility ACTUALLY affects. I'd imagine so many don't upgrade for like 5 years plus in which case you'd get a whole new system anyway.
I don't why people care how long they support a socket. No one changes their cpu every year or so. By the time they do upgrade. They usually upgrade everything. Including a new mobo.
@@shawnablackwood3376 It matters if you want to upgrade your system after 5 years. Going from a 8 core to a 16 core will be a big improvement in multi threaded workloads.
@@thatchinaboi1 Again who actually does that. Most people don't after there is a new platform every 3 years.
@@shawnablackwood3376 🤦
@@thatchinaboi1 I don't you understand what I'm saying. I'm saying amd or intel will usually have a new platform every three years. And If you have a 5 year old system. You aren't going to plop on new cpu when you upgrade. And stop pretending you will. Unless you want to use your old pc for secondary and you want to maybe get a cheap deal for said platform cpu.
Which one is more power efficient for Blender and After Effects?
5950x or 7950x or Intel?
Z690 needs a firmware update to work with the 13th gen Intel CPUs doesn’t it? If I don’t already have a 12th gen CPU can I still do the firmware update on a Z690?
Yes as long as the motherboard supports something like USB BIOS Flashback.
I still dont get it, how did you managed to put ddr4 into z790 hero mb?
beside 3D series, Intel gen 12 and 13 are my favorite. 5800x3D really good on price performance on gaming
do you think that spending the money for a z690 ACE to get thunderbolt is a dumb idea and would be better to get a cheap board and upgrade later?
When will these be available in India?
Man, I'm glad you cleared up this BIOS flip switch that is off by default as being turned on being the reason these other reviewers are getting insane heat and power consumption. So this isn't intel's fault, it's the reviewers. Now Intel looks a whole lot more sane. What is that BIOS setting named, because I do not need that kind of pressing the processer harder than necessary to eek out a little bit more performance.
I was also surprised that you concluded video rendering was neck and neck.. I would of thought the Intel would have a definite advantage with it's onboard APU on die for accelerated mpeg decoding.
9:30 I can't wait to buy my brand new 1000hz display for CS:Go
500hz monitor is coming soon i think, but it is very likely the main bottleneck is your eyes
My Corsair H150i elite (360mm AIO) at 100% fan speed is able to keep my i9-13900k to a maximum of 94ºC in Cinebench R23 with the limits gone. 21ºC ambient room. Power draw was around 310W.
Thank you for clearing my confusion. 🌟🌟🌟👍👍👍
About the motherboard upgrading requirement for Ryzen vs Intel, after that required and understandable upgrade will the next Ryzen cpu need another MB like Intel usually does?
Will Intel's next CPU not need a new motherboard? Are they adopting the AMD plan of not requiring many motherboard updates now?
The one thing I hated about Intel was needing a new motherboard each upgrade. Skipping Ryzen because this Intel cpu can use a previous gen motherboard, then possibly needing a new one anyway after, while the next Ryzen will be able to use the new motherboard obtained for the 7950x would be pretty shortsighted.
Intel boards tend to last 2 generations while amd lasted 3 gens. However in order to use all the features, you will likely need to get a brand new chipset regardless. That's how amd or intel keep their board partners happy.
@@bingbing3464 This reminds me another thing I liked about AMD, not having motherboard features locked out depending on the tier of same gen CPU you got, like the ability to overclock, and PCIE lanes. They might have changed from that practice, maybe not the overclocking, but I doubt they could deny motherboard features based on CPU tier forever.
I do hear some features left i7 and moved to i9, maybe just one feature, hyperthreading. I there was a big fuss about it, and seemed like it was just intel wanting to ad value to i9 to get people to want that more than being ok with i7.
The CSGO and Valorant results are changing heavily between different reviews of the 13900K vs 7950X. A lot of reviews have the opposite of yours at 1080p. By a pretty big margin too. I wonder what the difference was.
Cooling and ram.
Great job hardware Canucks. I see a lot of channels test these cpu's with out of the box motherboard settings and completely seem to forget that the official max turbo power rating for the 13900K is 253W. Raptor lake is a big step up from Adler lake but in efficiency wise it is still behind zen 4.
Excellent way of framing this whole thing.
It sucks that amd boards are so expensive. Amd went from having amazing bang for buck to just trying to justify price increases every gen.
Blame AIBs... the Z790 boards are as expensive as AM5 boards.
But you don’t need to run 13th gen on the latest boards- or with ddr5 for that matter
@@FatSacks but you will have to buy new board in next 2 years. in amd you buy one mobo and you have 5 years of easy upgrades
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it did you buy a x370 mobo? The one I got for my brother along with a 1600x then a 3600x was prone to bluescreens and crashes and we ended up getting an x570. Memory support was also limited on the older board and is a lot better on the newer board. So in my experience first gen boards aren't gonna be great with amd anyway for a few years and by then I'd personally rather be running a 12700k or 13700k over a new platform with new memory knowing it'll get a lot better and I'll need to upgrade it anyway.
Except only like 1 in 4 people has access to a Microcenter in the states. Closest one to me is 6 hours away in LA. I still think there's very little reason to get 7000 chips especially if you're already on x570 with the 5800x3d going for like $320.
Looking forward to the (predicted) 7800X3D early next year...
Would be interesting to see how 7950X3D would shake things up.
@@Half_Finis Why wouldn't they?
@@dexagalapagos temps. No cooler in the market can dissipate such concentrated heat.
@@dexagalapagos it's not fully cancelled, but so far it's likely because of how dense the chip would be, and probably issues with infinity fabric as with zen3, but time will tell
7950X3D = 1500$
@@Half_Finis
I think they will. They see that everyone wants it. I predict that it will also have v cache on the I/o die
Ok so I have a 12900kf with ddr4 I want the 13900k but still use ddr4 is it worth?
I've completely written off socket longevity, since I only upgrade every 4 years or so. Seeing what happened from am4, I highly doubt x570 will support the last generation of am5, so ill be going intel on this one. Got the $200 z690 gigabyte board you showed off in the video and a 13700k.
What a beast cpu, but i still have one question,
CAN IT RUN CITIES SKYLINES ?
Your cinebench diagram has the wrong definition in the x-axis which right now says lower is better
intel 14th gen will be a new socket and DDR5 only, so they will be basically in AMDs position then, they will however have the advantage that DDR5 will be more common and cheaper at that point.
to be honest...if you have that much you can buy a i9 or i7 13th, then you sure can buy some ddr5 ram
@@thg8997 I bought a 13700k and I'll reuse my Samsung B-die DDR4 RAM kit. A decent DDR5 kit costs around $200. That's still a bit expensive.
@@thg8997 You can, but would there really be that much benefit, and as Wrex mentioned, why buy DDR5, if you already have perfectly good DDR4, the money can be used elsewhere instead, perhaps on an overpriced GPU.
@@-opus I mean, yea sure, but having a ddr5-compatible mobo will make sure you wont need to buy any new ram for the next few years
If I were to upgrade I would have gone for Ryzen platform, but I'll wait till Zen 5 comes and see what the competition has to bring and at what price. For now I am rocking 5600X/32GB/RTX3070 as desktop and HP EliteBook Ryzen 5850U as notebook.
Which cpu is getter for gaming?
So the 7900x seems close to the 7950x and would have lower temperatures, right?
how 137w when my thermal limits my 7950x cpu to 210w at 95C with a nzxt kraken 240mm cooler in a TUF motherboard and 32g of dde5 5800mhz ram??!?
it starts up at 270w in cinebench for a second but then the temp rise up in 3 seconds and the limit of 95C appear again .
excellent video with fine details 🔥🔥👍👍
how does zen 4 at 105w / 65w eco mode compare to them ?
Bro Can you tell me how to check the company name ram ssd provided in laptop 💻
Intel platform costs... one needs to take into account that LGA1700 could possibly see the last or next to last release, so it's an option if you do not plan to upgrade boards or CPUs for the foreseeable future, or if you can afford complete overhaul on planned upgrades later on down the line. Same applies to DDR4 - currently and for some time the difference between DDR4 and DDR5 might not be as evident at current pricing and performance levels, but in the future, the prices might drop just as they did for DDR4 some time after departing from DDR3 platforms. As such, sure you could get cheaper DDR4 1700-pin boards with great for the moment DDR4 memory... but you might be looking into the DDR5 PCIe5 future devices compatibility if you plan on switching to those future products down the line without replacing the core of your build... and once you factor in high grade Z690 (or the mentioned Z790) with the newer generation of components availability, you're very close to the costs of the AMD AM5 platform... One benefit to Intel route is the fact that the mITX boards seem to come with more ports on the back, and often even with higher speeds... But we're still a few weeks before Black Friday and Christmas Sales... AMD pricing might be dropped soon to accomodate better feasibility compared to Intel 13th gen.
13th gen is the last cpu for LGA1700. Overall AM5 will be *much* cheaper.
Raptor lake are alderlake but with more cores ,cache ancd clocks and you get this then
To your question, I have been running on 8th gen so this upgrade required me to get a new intel board, cpu, memory etc so I guess...It doesn't bother me that i have to refresh in the next couple of generations.
Which 8th gen CPU, RAM, and CPU cooler do you have?
Nice review
Why does the Ryzen CPU look so weird with those oddly cut holes? I guess for better cooling or some other use? xD
So is what he is saying in the beginning that having an AMD CPU is technically cheaper due to the compatibility??
I'm in a big dilemma and I could use a helping hand, for a gaming laptop I should choose between amd or intel, somehow I would like low processor temperatures but also performance in games and other tasks, thanks in advance.
I think I’m going to go AMD just because of the new AM5 socket and the future upgradability without having to buy a new motherboard.
i upgraded from my 2014 build z97 pro with 4790k and asus stx 1080ti to and x670e-e mb with razen 7 7700x and pny rtx 4080 oc and love my new pc
b650/x670 boards obviously more expensive by the mobo makers, because they know that the buyers will most likely only buy this one mobo for 4 (or so) cpu gens - gotta cash in on the customer today cause they won't see any more money for years to come
AMD must go own 20% with cpu prices and 30% with mobo prices or even more then that
Hi. Man use rtx4090 for retest new cpu..
Happy seeing Mike on camera more often, really doing a good job :)
He's couldn't hold a candle to the others
If Intel supports the same socket for another gen or two, that can be game changing!
Intel will probably release a powerful processor soon "KS" if Amd brings the 3D version of their top cpu's so the 1700 socket will get one more release
Because Meteor Lake was cancelled, the next gen will be a "Raptor Lake Refresh," in other words, a third gen on the 1700 socket.
Wait, so what’s the best future proof motherboard if you’re putting a rig together for a 13th gen i7 or i9? B650 is AMD only right?
Future proofing system is on amd yep (b650 is amd)
@@aravindpallippara1577 you didn't answer the question though
I'm most likely getting a i7 13700 or i9 13900, should I get a B660, Z690 or Z790?
AMD's heat issues with the latest ryzen are problematic. that and their price performance considering how expensive their mobos are is quite poor. I expect them to lose market share to intel and revert back to a similar position as they are in the GPU market, where they control 10-20% of it at most.
@@Marchochias I mean whatever you want to believe
Amd doens't have a heat issue as of this gen zen 4 (heat is a function of power consumption and everyone knows how hungry 13th gen is, raised local temperatures indicate poor heat pass through efficacy i.e thicker IHS over rhe chip, that's what amd did slightly wrong, but it doens't matter, in the grand scheme of things so...)
Also amd will drop prices lol, because they can their margins are stupid high right now (intel ceo was claiming amd having better margins as a big problem in a recent internal conversation) - greed gets us all
I am far more concerned about intel server division since they don't even have a proper yet to launch (sapphire rapids is now an year late, and it was supposed to compete with zen3, not zen4)
Now to answer your question, please don't get 13900, unless you do code compiles or cpu rendering (if you do that significantly enough 7950x is a far better deal, especially if you live in the tropics as you also get an upgrade path)
A 13600k with a b660 is probably unmatched in value right now, but a 12700 might be even cheaper, and get ddr5 ram.
You can hope intel either figures out chiplets of moves to a better process node with less energy consumption for future generations and upgrade then
@@aravindpallippara1577 ...right, so you haven't heard how Ryzen now idles at 95 C? might want to look that up lol
ill most likely get a 13700 unless i can find a good deal on a 12700. unfortunately the 12th gen don't seem to be on sale yet, they're practically same price as 13th gen atm
Issue is AM5 socket is new so sure its more expensive. But this is also 13900k is the last gen. 14 gen will be just as if not more expensive. New cpu and mobos. AM5 will have support through 2025 so plenty of time to grow and upgrade.
I'll watch you anytime, mike
I know it probably doesn't affect it much but seeing as these are toppest of top end latest processors wouldn't it make sense to use a better SSD? Crucial P5 is a midrange PCIE-3 SSD
SSD load times don't impact any of the performance results here.
Now, let me remind you, great high end performance often trickle downs to the lower segment i3 and i5. Cant wait for 13100/13600 to come to the market and dominate AMD. VERY INTERESTING TIMES!
Let's call a Spade a Spade here... When the roles were reversed (between Intel and AMD -- like the past years), all the thumbnails were around how AMD just beat the living crap out of Intel. Even if they were striking distance from one another (in many benchmarks). But now, the thumbnails are all around "This is good for everyone". Says a lot!
Let's call a spade a spade here and point out how AMD is the underdog here and people support the underdog in the spirit of competition.
@@thatchinaboi1 fair enough.. but after Ryzen 1-2 .. AMD was no longer the underdog.
@@grimmy188 AMD remains the underdog in the desktop market. Currently they are winning the server market.
Strange sentiments
I don't get it, why do you bench this insane powerful processors in 1080p when they are obviously not aimed for gaming at that resolution? I certainly don't mind at all and won't probably notice much difference between 984 and 1006 fps's in CS:GO LOL 😅
The reason is that 1080p shows the difference in relative speed between the CPUs. It's just a clearer way to contextualize the performance difference of these various CPUs, even if you yourself don't game at that particular resolution. Lower res gets rid of a possible GPOU bottleneck that would distort the results they are seeking.
You dont want gpu bottleneck when doing cpu review or testing
I think some of 7000 series' thermal problems can be attributed to that IHS.
7000 series has no thermal problems! Watch HUB review of the 13900K. 7950X never thermal throttles. 13900k won’t stop thermal throttling!
@@tringuyen7519 I dont mean throttling. I mean it's overall behaviour. It can probably dissipate heat easier if the IHS was a full block instead of having cut outs
@@tringuyen7519 lmao, it didn't thermal throttle that is true.
But the IHS is causing the processor to run hotter than it actually is.
It is too thick for meh am4 heat sink compatibility which many heat sink using their own mounting branket need an adaptor kits, making many not compatible on launch day
A problem with the benchmark goes as this.
Benchmarks will favor one instruction set over another. Unless the benchmark favors multiple instruction sets, or all of them, a avx1 favored chip per instance will have higher performance on avx1 instructed benchmarks, than one that is not avx1 favored, Visa versa.
Replace avx1 with whatever the favored instruction set that the chip desires, and the same results will happen. Now, if you find that both chips favor the same instruction set, then you can benchmark both of them, and you will see who is better.
The next problem is that the instruction sets require bios registers, which has to be optimized and recognized. For that to happen, an up to date bios is needed. Take the same chip, but one has an older bios than the same chip with a newer bios. The newer bios'd chip will outperform than the one that is older. Visa versa.
Then there's the problem of the motherboard used in that regard, some have piss poor power delivery/cooling/etc... Leaving benchmarks not true to the advertised performance and the advertised performance to the benchmark used, this is where I wish AMD/INTEL would post what motherboard was used, what bios version, and more so that we can replicate the performance, and see what board is good too.
Then there's the problem that people make when benchmarking, the os version, the os version matters, as w11 outperforms w10 on IOPS, and w10 outperforms on w8.1/8.0 on IOPS, and w8.1/w8.0 outperforms on w7 on iops... And you might be using linux, so you have to compare all the linux versions as well... A benchmark should be made on the most performant OS available, so you can have accurate benchmark performance.
Most benchmarks are done on non optimized pc's, leaving 99.99% of most benchmarks invalid, AMD reccomends for best performance per instance, to enable PBO + Balanced plan in windows, most people dont have all that in accordance when benchmarking the os, they might not have enabled pbo, and have windows power plan set to high performance, gimping their performance and gimping the validitiy of their benchmark.
Most benchmarks are not done with performant driver versions, rincing and repeating what I have said above.
You also didn't use the SAM technology to compare AMD's perormance.
@@trevorfenlon4920 Resizable Bar (SAM) was enabled on all systems, don't know why you thought otherwise.
Do people actually upgrade to a new CPU and put it in their old motherboard? Incremental upgrades seem like such a waste to me. The only parts I upgrade are NVMes and GPUs. Other than that, my CPU and RAM remain untouched for 4 or 5 years before I upgrade the entire thing again and end up turning my old PC into another NAS. I could not care less about LGA 1700 being end of the line.
I had a B350 with a 1600X when they came to the market. I upgraded with a 5800X last year. It will play my games for 3-5 more years.
I did and pretty sure many others do as well. Originally had B450 with Ryzen 3600 bought over 3 years ago now have a 5800X3D in it. Hardly an incremental upgrade since the 3D is competitive with Ryzen 7000 and Raptor Lake in gaming
@@treefiddy727 That's fair. But I'm assuming you have also upgraded your memory, NVMe, and/or GPU since then as well? At that point, you've pretty much done an entire system upgrade. Without memory or GPU upgrades from those available 3 years ago, the 5800X3D isn't going to be 'competitive' with current gen CPUs in gaming.
@@cyanidex Same memory (32gb of G.Skill 3200 CL14), NVMe boot drive, SSD, PSU. GPU upgraded from 2070 Super to 3080 12gb last year though. tbh DDR5 and Alder Lake mobos pricing att was a big factor in my decision to ride out AM4 for a few more years.
Looks like you might have had a driver bug or setting wrong because the 7950x was losing to the 7900x and 5950x in production benchmarks lol. It lost a few benchmarks by a large margin too. I understand it losing in gaming here and there but the 7950x losing to 7900x by 10% in productivity benchmarks is odd. It also lost to the 5950x lol uh?
This seemed more like an ad for intel and shaping data to reflect that.
A like 👍 for saying Zed , like a real Canadian channel would/should.
I used both in this video. ;)
I realize my comment is a little late after this video was posted but I thought worth noting I just picked up a Z690 Tuf Gaming MOBO / i7 12700X & 16GB Ram from Microcenter for $350!!!!!! I was upgrading from a 2700X after my mobo failed. Very happy and the i7 12700x is still boss.
Since I only upgrade after more than 5 years, with each new build I'm committed to the system. So I wait until it is a good time to upgrade e.g. where there are huge performance improvements like it is now, and then commit to a system with what the chipset / socket combination can provide. Right now Intel looks good for me especially with thunderbolt 4 and generally improved compatibility, optimisation, and stability vis a vis the OS and applications compared to AMD. I'm holding off a bit given the prices of DDR5 memory. But I picked up a brand new Asus Tuf 3090 OC at a really REALLY good price. And this is the kind of upgrade that I can carry over to the next build, unlike motherboards and CPUs. I also recently upgraded my CPU to a 14 core 28 thread Xeon E5-2680 v4. So that's a huge performance boost over my Xeon E5 1650 v4, 6 core 12 thread CPU. Also upgraded to 128GB of ECC RAM. This is the benefit of upgrading to "old stuff". All that equipment still meets my needs extremely well.
"...generally improved compatibility, optimisation, and stability vis a vis the OS and applications compared to AMD."
🙄 Simply not a thing...outside of a few very old pieces of software from the pre-Ryzen days. Intel holds ZERO stability lead over AMD on the OS front and the same applies to all new applications that have been properly designed.
@@glamdring0007 so AMD has TB4? Guess not since u didn't mention that as a correction. Good to know AMD CPUs have come some ways. Anyhow the i9 13900k benchmarks are outperforming AMD in most things. Seems there is now no reason to try AMD. Guess I'll still be using Intel for my next build.
@@dyong888 Thunderbolt is hardly a selling point since at best its a niche tech that USB4 will shortly make even more irrelevant. And 13900k may be ahead in a couple of production benchmarks but in real world use the differences are not noticeable. What is noticeable is the years of CPU upgrades AMD will provide with AM5 while Raptor Lake is end of life...there will be NO upgrade path beyond Raptor Lake for current Intel motherboards. But hey, each to his/her own, if Raptor Lake makes you happy spend your cash.
@@glamdring0007 So AMD has USB4 right now? I guess not. Even if I use AMD motherboard today, I won't get USB4 tomorrow as its not on the motherboard. So its the same root "problem" as short socket life span for Intel. The motherboard still needs to be changed! LOL
TB is anything but "nich tech" LOL. I actually use TB3/4. Also tell that to the millions of photographers and videographers around the world who shoot with modern cameras with SD, CFast, and CFExpress cards who need to move hundreds of gigabytes of data to the the computer after a shoot. Tell them their TB is a "nich tech" . LOL.
Also tell the many laptop manufacturers that they are wasting money putting TB on their laptop because its "nich tech". Why waste money? Many dozens of laptop models all have TB "nich tech" LOL.
Don't get me wrong. I want to like AMD. But its CPUs just aren't "there yet". Each time they get there Intel moves the goal post. LOL
So its still Intel for me. Besides as mentioned I usually upgrade the motherboard and chipset with the CPU. They usually don't get separated once installed. That's why I upgrade over 5+ years when there are very significant performance gains. But hey to each his own. If you want to buy a new cpu every year then go for it.
Strange, I got the 7950x because VMware workstation can't use P & E cores at the same time so you either have to use E cores or edit VMX file to disable E cores so you can use P cores. This makes the 7950X the best CPU w/o question for doing my work where my development environment is within a VM. Haven't heard anything about Windows or applications not working well with Zen 3/4 processors, nothing nearly as bad as P/E core issues.
You'd be silly to buy the i9 13900k and not put it on a 790 because they'll stop supporting the 690s here shortly and then what
Bios updates have been crucial to getting the most out of my x570
BS i have a Z690 board and 2 days ago i got another bios update, so they will be supported for a long time, dont tell stupid shit
I mean 13th gen is effectively still a 10nanometer design given its spacing. Did anyone expect it to be efficient? Of course AMD will perform better all the time at lower TDP
10nm is more equal to tsmc 7nm used on ryzen 3000/5000 in term of transitor density
NM comparison is useless this day and age
Because it no longer work like that
@@789know Even with this being the case, Ryzen 7000 still has a node advantage.
My 7700k died after being in use since launch. Upgrading to the 7950X
Did intel fix their bending ihs tho
All those new CPUs are hot as hell...
AMD in 2017-2019 offers 8 core 16 thread cpu for 300-320$ and with zen3 and 4 they downgrade and offer 6/12 c/t cpus for same money while Intel are opposite of that now
Because intel cuck themselves and amd is no longer the underdog.
@@789know AMD will be soon underdog with their stupid aditude ., most of peoples would not pay same or more for 7600x and 7700x as for 13600k/kf which in meantime slaps easilly both of this cpus in gaming and productivity !! AMD would must go with significantly lower prices pretty soon or their zen4 sale will be shitty as with bulldozer cpus in 2012
thank u for hardware canucks to not turn into Amdumb sites
intel is cheeper all around so thats who ima go with
AMD finally brought Intel back to the competition. Thank you AMD. Now both Intel and AMD need to do the same for GUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, the new 13900K is good for everyone !
And the new Asus Z790 Hero is also a great board for the new CPU - and please use DDR5-6400 or higher to get the best results !
It sucks in the long run. 100 watt more than 7950x. In long run you would end up alot of money due to energy consumption. For that you get few fps more in gaming and not even all games. 7950x beats it in lots of games. 7950x is also is much stronger in multicore at much lower wattage. His benchmarks are def bloated as he only consderes cinebench. Gaming nexus did a tests and amd beats it comfortably at much lesser wattage. Amd is def bargain.
@@Stockfish1511 100 W extra would not be a lot of money. For every 100 hours that a 13900K is running 100 W more than a 7950X, that's only an extra $1.67 you'd spend with average power costs in the USA. Not to mention, benchmarks in this video showed that while gaming often the power the 13900K consumes is even or not that much higher than the 7950X. Costs because of extra wattage is overblown.
@@Stockfish1511 not many people r European who feel soy over 100w of extra watt per hour
@@jonathansaraco Wrong numbers firstly. Secondly gaming is different from full load and considering how much energy costs and gpu running etc thats alow of wattage and money. My 5950x runs day and night for my job on multicore and consumes as much energy to cost me about 15 dollar a month and i have cheap contract for energy. From december new contract will be much costlier. So i will pay about 40 dollar+ Considering the wattage of that cpu is three times more. It will be wrecking electricity bills. No its not overblown... It really is true. 100 watt less is big deal. In 5 years time say which is about as much time as that cpu is expected to be relevant. It also spends twice as much just in gaming. This cpu is just powerhungry crap that uses its high core frequency as a gimmick to sell a point for stupid people. Only 8 cores is suited for hyperthreading etc. Basically its not fast for what it claims to be. considering ddr5 etc you can literaly build two 5950x systems that will destroy it in multicore with less wattage lmao. Its only good in gaming. Which i would pass either considering price to performance. 7950x can deliver that result with less wattage and has better multicore. So whats the point of buying that cpu. Its hotter, consumes more watts, games on par with amd 7950x some games better some worse. Cant compete with 7950x in multicore specially in complex tasks. Like 20 percent slower in complex tasks. All that with more wattage. Yeah very worthy cpu. Intel just sucks and cant compete with amd. If amd releases 3d v ache on their lesser cpu. They will be delivering better game experience at third of the price lol.
@@Stockfish1511 Ok sure if you're sweating over $15 a month because your CPU is running 24/7 then fine, it might matter. 99.99% of people aren't using their CPUs that way.
Generally competition is VERY good 👍 👌And Intel started in GPU... Very good times finally!
amd ryzen 9 7950x processor can it play 4k blu ray?
Probably will be twice as expensive lol
I love your videos but honestly as we watch these videos every CZcams channel sees consumers as pockets of money, when in reality we buy what we can afford. Affordable is an Intel core i5 13500K paired on a Gigabyte Z690 AORUS Elite AX DDR4 or DDR5 motherboard and using a GPU either
Nvidia RTX 3080 or AMD 68 or 6900XT with 32 GIG of either DDR4 or DDR5 ram, selling currently for under $1700.00 US. Your version has shown computers listing parts alone to be close or above $3200.00 US, doubling the cost. Even other channels admit most of us should buy wisely by making it known, there are alternative and we need not buy high end computer parts to achieve the same effect as your results show. Too reflect this using please make a video using Motherboards selling from $230.00 price range with respectably priced $300.00 ram DDR4 and or DDR5 using a Nvidia RTX 3080 or AMD 68 or 6900XT. Proving once again that spending lots of money doesn't really make a, better, faster or longer lasting computer.
I have a ryzen 7950x and in games the temperatures are always below 60 celsius. I use an Nzxt 360mm AIO
what gpu you using
@@yooturboo rtx 3080
good work but time to upgrade test suite to 4090
Yeah, 4090 drivers are still a little bit of a work-in-progress, especially for DX12, but we will be transitioning to that soon.
I’m just thinking to upgrade from 5950x to a newer CPU. Looking at AMD 7970x or 7970x3d. I was also thinking about i9 13900k, but it uses older technology 10nm compared to 5nm on AMD. Also the AMD has more lanes 24 compared to 20 in Intel. AMD is better for efficiency. Intel can only compete with Intel because they crank up power it’s ridiculous.
Great review!! Thanks for that.
It's interesting that, despite the differences in microarchitecture and die design, the two processors are so close to each other in performance.
I just wish that AMD had leveraged the advantages of TSMC's new 5 nm node to increase their transistor budget for the compute chiplets, and given us greater ipc improvements, instead of cranking up clock speeds and power consumption. That's not the right direction, it's not sustainable.
I'd be quite happy to give a few percent away in performance for a cooler running, less power hungry chip.
I am thinking the same. Intel just waited for AM5 launch, they heavily tested it then did the proper tuning of their chip so it has a narrow advantage.
@@OvisTech yes, of course, good point. In this case Intel had that luxury of being able to wait until AMD showed their hand.
However, AMD still has a potential ace up their sleeve. It should be very interesting to see what their X 3D cache brings to their cpus, when they launch early '23.
And the Winner is: *The Consumer* 🏆
Thanks
Genuine competition requires more than 2 competitors, these 2 are more concerned with their pissing contest, than they are with quality.
In the context of increasing energy prices and cooling issues, AMD still seems like a better bet in terms of performance/ watt. Wait a few months for the new AMD platform to mature and the cost difference will narrow significantly.
Who wins here? Us consumers! Thankful for legitimate competition in the CPU market.
use to be a AMD user but now im on team intell and never going back
Think I’m still eyeing the x670 and 7950x because the 7950x3d is going to be a monster and I’ll just sell the 7950x and upgrade it to the 3d and my motherboard base will be supported for maybe another generation
probably what Ill end up doing as well. The other big thing as well is you get 4 additional PCi-e channels so you can drop an additional M.2 into the rig whenever. Probably will get whatever is the fastest 4.0 NVME ssd at the moment then down the road once 5.0 drives mature I'll get one of those
Then why not just wait for the 3d models to begin with?
@@drunkhusband6257 tarkov is my main game want my new build to be done before the Christmas wipe and my girl wants my old pc so I can’t take that cpu and motherboard out of it
7800X3D guys there won't be 7950X3D that would be too powerful, it's a gaming focused CPU with 3D V cache (high MB of L3 cache).
@@winnb4968 there’s been leaks from big leakers and people who are known to be right saying there is 3 3d cpus coming one is a 7950x3d
At 11:50 , you can still use an air cooler for 7950x, but 13900k without limits is WAY too hot for that. Expensive liquid cooling is required for 13900k.
AMD is team red
Intel is team blue
showing the 13900K in red and others in blue confused me sometimes
You should check prices in the Netherlands and you think they are expensive in Canada? US? ouch...
With this new Amd and Intel gen they make an agreement , to consume more energy 🤮🤮🤮
We need a 3 company in this game
Gong from using 35W more than the 7950X to using 2W less is "getting really turned on their head"? Seriously? XD
Yeah strange stuff happening around this topic... but... Let me just say, there are a lot of confusing interpretations on the 13900k. Peoples brains are breaking. I think we need to reserve judgement on the 13900k until we have had a few days to sleep on it and gather more data. Because... people are saying some strange and and abrupt things.
Great line! Indeed, competition is good for everyone. Not like your peer reviewer (paid by red team actually) who only says "RIP Intel"
Good review and very useful, thanks 👍 but please check the scale of your graphs, in many you have "Time to completion (Lower is better)" although you're plotting Cinebench (e.g. 06:24)