New york Central: "we need to scrap these old steam locomotives quickly. We're burning money with these inefficient machines and can't afford to sell them to museums" Also New York Central:
@@u2bear377 correct the m497 was for highspeed rail viabillity testing between around here butler to stryker ohio just outside bryan where ohio art and the spangler candy company is infact the amtrak station has a plaque of this event and you can see the candy factory on the other side of the tracks, 75 miles of straight flat track from butlers job in the track east to toledo ohio this test was commenced july 23, 1966 still holds the record for mainline max speed and at one point reached 195 miles per hour
The guy who signed off on that was NYC President Alfred Perlman, who apparently saw an existing rail diesel car and thought, "Yeah, I can stick two strategic bomber engines on that." Thus was born, the M497 Black Beetle, a one-of-a-kind test bed. It maxed out at 184 mph on a test run but, after careful consideration, was deemed not commercially viable.
I always feel like CZcams considers us some sort of secret frontline connoiseurs. With tastes more refined than "the general population" that will not understand the beauty of a jet-powered train in '66 with a Freebird soundtrack
@@F40M07 Well it was more like, screw your Metroliner. PRR was about to hold the record with the Metroliner set, and NYC ran this jet engine stunt to nab the record.
Yeah, but, the GG1 made it past the “experimental” phase and became successful in passenger service on both the PRR and the Penn Central. The T1 also had its brief moment of usefulness.
@@Alcochaser Yeah, but it was also a waste of money. In the end, the winner is the one who can make something new, cool, and useful, and turn a profit with it.
It was more or less an experimental train to see if trains could drive at higher speeds on existing rails. And it was a success. I belive the max top speed that it acheaved was around 190mph
@@carbomaniac4020 I know they were thinking about it, I’ve heard of jet trains before, I just didn’t know the tested on a full speed, let alone filmed it
@@polarisukyc1204if you want to know more about it and see more, you should check out a video from AmtrakGuy365 as he made a good video on explaining this particular train
This is actually a slow motion shot. That jet car (NYC M497) was traveling around 190mph when this was filmed in 1966. I know this is a slow - mo shot because I have the DVD this shot is on
@@Ron-rs2zl Yes. That peticular engineer was known to have a need for speed. He was a pilot before working for the railroad. Alfred E. Perlman, the President of the New York Central was present for these runs as well.
@@F40M07 Just look at the engines on a B-36 peacemaker, and then look at the engines on a B-52 stratofortress. And then look at the video. I know I’m not wrong
Also also NYC: *merges with its direct competitor that’s also suffering from debt thinking that having two lines going to the same place will make money.
@@olgerdtmagpier5527 Что в этом плохого или постыдного? Сверхтяжёлая РН Н-1 Королёва использовала оригинальную, прежде никем не испытанную, компоновку 1 ступени, включавшей массив из тридцати относительно маломощных движков НК-15. Ввиду несовершенства управляющей электроники тех лет, эта идея из множества двигателей поставила крест на программе. Но что мы видим сегодня на Starship'е Илона Маска? Не J-2 От Сатурна или его переработанный современный аналог, а именно что массив из небольших движков - 33 Раптора. Дерзкая задумка тех далёких лет благодаря современным системам управления обрела вторую жизнь. Я это к чему - если идея интересна и действительно стоит внимания, инженеры/государства попробуют её воссоздать вне зависимости от того, кто первый придумал, когда и в какой стране. Догнать и перегнать это скорее к сухим, оторванным от реальности и фактической необходимости, цифрам, количеству забитых голов скота или кг потребления рыбы на душу населения, что в данном случае имеет около нулевое отношение к теме.
Well, let me put it to you this way, if you lived by a set of train tracks, would you rather have a diesel or electric locomotive drive past your house twice a day, or a train with 2 enormous jet engines come screaming past you twice a day. Or four times a day. I like trains, trains are cool, and we need more of them, but putting jet engines, not just internal gas turbines, but a couple of General Electric J-47 turbojets off a B-47 jet bomber just isn't the way forward.
Not really. 180mph was fast for the time, but European and Japanese passenger trains have been routinely running at this and higher speeds since the late 1970s.
And from this point on, in all cartoons over the globe, clouds of smoke and dust were animated behind anything that they wanted to show as moving fast......
ps this was 50 years ago, on jointed track, with normal/unguarded road crossings -- Perlman recalled the aluminum RDC getting airborne several times. Why can't we do this today????
How was he a pioneer? This train went exactly nowhere. Actual high speed rail -- trains carrying hundreds of passengers at this speed -- was done in Japan and Europe, using electric power, about a decade after this.
Hey San Francisco and a few other cities tried out turbine powered fire engines around that time too. Supposedly the sirens were almost unnecessary with the jets screaming along the roads.
Thought it was an edited video with the locomotive having a face and a jet engine; but seems to be a real thing. Pretty awesome. Thanks for sharing the video.
Around this time, a company called Turbonique was touring a VW Bug fitted with one of its microturbine engines rated at 1500 HP at dragstrips around the county. The car was called the Black Widow, and was quite successful until it crashed.
1960s was the peak craze for speed. The Concorde project was nearly finished, the Japanese were opening on their first Shinkansen line, the French were peaking with their electric train speed tests, and the Americans using jet engine on a single traincar!
When New York Central went looking for a suitable turbojet to use for the experimental M-497 "Black Beetle", they acquired a surplus Convair B-36D GE J47 twin jet pod for $5,000.00 from Davis-Monthan AFB's "boneyard". All B-36s were retired from SAC by 1959. The jet pod, with its two J47s were mounted upside-down on the roof of the RDC and angled 5 degress downward to keep the railcar planted on the tracks. Additional fuel tanks were installed and the J47s were run on diesel fuel, The driveshafts were removed from the original power units (Detroit 6-110 Series)
The turbojet engine pod on that train looks suspiciously like it came off a B52. Makes sense, as once those engines are “Timed Out” for Aviation usage after a couple of thousand hours of use, they are usually scrapped.
Rare footage of the M-497 black beetle from the New York Central System. What a legend. Too bad she unfortunately wasn't preserved and got scrapped by the MTA
I love the fact that for something so one of a kind, the cameraman still manages to fall asleep on the job and f*k up the shot😂 must've really hated trains.
I don't think he f**ed it up. The pan is so late that I think he was actually getting a shot of it passing through the shot, and then turned the camera for a bit of extra footage of it going into the distance. On the other hand, this is a slowed-down version of the footage. The train was doing about 180mph, so maybe he was just late on the pan.
As wacky as this is, it’s insane they ran it on what looks like 6ft jointed stick rail. Thank god continuous welded rail now exists. Can’t image how rough that must’ve been
New york Central: "we need to scrap these old steam locomotives quickly. We're burning money with these inefficient machines and can't afford to sell them to museums"
Also New York Central:
It was a high-speed test car, not a revenue rolling stock.
just put the old steam locomotives in the museum 🤷♂️
@@u2bear377 correct the m497 was for highspeed rail viabillity testing between around here butler to stryker ohio just outside bryan where ohio art and the spangler candy company is infact the amtrak station has a plaque of this event and you can see the candy factory on the other side of the tracks, 75 miles of straight flat track from butlers job in the track east to toledo ohio this test was commenced july 23, 1966 still holds the record for mainline max speed and at one point reached 195 miles per hour
@@vuurvrrailfanner4656 Alfred Perlman: I want that steam engage. chainsaw sounds
@@t1m3f0x Ah, another History in the Dark enjoyer I see
The 1960s were a wild time. Somebody had to sign off on the creation of this thing!
Cocaine is a powerful drug which some consider...unnatural
Someone was doing the strong stuff when they designed it
The guy who signed off on that was NYC President Alfred Perlman, who apparently saw an existing rail diesel car and thought, "Yeah, I can stick two strategic bomber engines on that." Thus was born, the M497 Black Beetle, a one-of-a-kind test bed. It maxed out at 184 mph on a test run but, after careful consideration, was deemed not commercially viable.
@@sturmovik1274 Or in other words, It was a publicity stunt to upstage the PRR Metroliner
Very possibly; one of the reasons it was not pursued is that NYC was already considering the merger.@@Alcochaser
I love when youtube recommendeds me a train video with 300 views. 👍
Edit: It seems I'm now subscribed to hourly updates on this video's view count.
I always feel like CZcams considers us some sort of secret frontline connoiseurs. With tastes more refined than "the general population" that will not understand the beauty of a jet-powered train in '66 with a Freebird soundtrack
Now it's 4.4k views.
, I believe any predictive system needs a built in wild card :o)
It now has 25 000
@@JimiLappalainen yep, it’s a self fulfilling prophecy based on luck :o
When you just want to give the Pennsylvania Railroad a Middle Finger....
“Screw your T1!!!”
@@F40M07 Well it was more like, screw your Metroliner. PRR was about to hold the record with the Metroliner set, and NYC ran this jet engine stunt to nab the record.
Yeah, but, the GG1 made it past the “experimental” phase and became successful in passenger service on both the PRR and the Penn Central. The T1 also had its brief moment of usefulness.
@@TezcatlipocaMountyRailfan This was not even experimental, the NYC Jet Budd was nothing but a Publicity Stunt.. to give the PRR a middle finger.
@@Alcochaser Yeah, but it was also a waste of money. In the end, the winner is the one who can make something new, cool, and useful, and turn a profit with it.
I had no idea they actually ran a jet train!
It was more or less an experimental train to see if trains could drive at higher speeds on existing rails. And it was a success. I belive the max top speed that it acheaved was around 190mph
@@carbomaniac4020 I know they were thinking about it, I’ve heard of jet trains before, I just didn’t know the tested on a full speed, let alone filmed it
@@polarisukyc1204if you want to know more about it and see more, you should check out a video from AmtrakGuy365 as he made a good video on explaining this particular train
With enough alcohol anything is possible
@@whisper9539 no kidding. An engineer, provided with generous amounts of duct tape, WD-40 and beer could build just about anything
the dust on that thing is INSANE
Mostly jet exhaust
@@SportyMabamba You can see dust being lifted up from the trackbed around the wheels.
unofficially 196.00 mph
You watched this more than once
This is actually a slow motion shot. That jet car (NYC M497) was traveling around 190mph when this was filmed in 1966. I know this is a slow - mo shot because I have the DVD this shot is on
I'm shocked it stayed on the rails at that speed.
It went faster than the NYC's dispatch system could handle. Considering that the M497 would give a modern Shinkansen a run for its money
I want to see the non-slowed down version of this. Also, imagine being the guy filming.
Was there an engineer on board?
@@Ron-rs2zl Yes. That peticular engineer was known to have a need for speed. He was a pilot before working for the railroad. Alfred E. Perlman, the President of the New York Central was present for these runs as well.
Are we gonna talk about how it has a face?
At first it looked like a ginger bread man
It looks like a Chuggington character, both in terms of appearance and concept. 🤣
CZcams recommended this 30 seconds ago and ive already watched it a dozen times help i cant stop
I think that it needs to be recreated for the next Mad Max movie!
there is no any special in it
“Strap a B36 Engine on a Budd ca-“
"Done!"
It was a B-52 engine
@UmoadoGaming no, B-36
@@F40M07 Just look at the engines on a B-36 peacemaker, and then look at the engines on a B-52 stratofortress. And then look at the video. I know I’m not wrong
@UmoadoGaming I know I’m right because LOOK IT UP
NYC: is in crippling debt
Also NYC: "ahah jet train goes brr"
Also also NYC: *merges with its direct competitor that’s also suffering from debt thinking that having two lines going to the same place will make money.
In the USSR, there was also a train with engines from a fighter, but it's a pity that only the cabin remains of it today.
А ещё раньше был аэровагон,на котором товарищ Артём погиб.
Soviets had it in 1970, US - in 1966. Dognat i peregnat?)
@@olgerdtmagpier5527 Что в этом плохого или постыдного? Сверхтяжёлая РН Н-1 Королёва использовала оригинальную, прежде никем не испытанную, компоновку 1 ступени, включавшей массив из тридцати относительно маломощных движков НК-15. Ввиду несовершенства управляющей электроники тех лет, эта идея из множества двигателей поставила крест на программе. Но что мы видим сегодня на Starship'е Илона Маска? Не J-2 От Сатурна или его переработанный современный аналог, а именно что массив из небольших движков - 33 Раптора. Дерзкая задумка тех далёких лет благодаря современным системам управления обрела вторую жизнь. Я это к чему - если идея интересна и действительно стоит внимания, инженеры/государства попробуют её воссоздать вне зависимости от того, кто первый придумал, когда и в какой стране. Догнать и перегнать это скорее к сухим, оторванным от реальности и фактической необходимости, цифрам, количеству забитых голов скота или кг потребления рыбы на душу населения, что в данном случае имеет около нулевое отношение к теме.
The really wild part about this video is when you notice that it achieving this speed on segmented rail….
I didn't know there was actually footage of this engine!
Soviet Union: We must build one too! We mustn't allow a jet train gap!
Russians always had to copy what America was doing, most of the time to a hilarious effect.
В 1970 году был такой вагон в СССР
@@andrewscott2986 I'd love to see a grainy, black and white photo of that! ;-)
Реактивный Локомотив СССР
I have to say, that is cool!
Huh. Somehow it didn't cross my mind that there might be actual running footage of this engine.
I saw that thing parked at Collinwood when I was a kid !
Could you imagine living next to the tracks with those running all the time ?
“flyyyyy hiiiiiigh freeeeee bird, yeaahhhh”
*thomas and the trucks runaway theme*
That must have been a thrilling ride, to say the least!😮
The engineer was later a member of our NMRA Division. Highly revered as might be expected.
We've regressed as a civilization.
Well, let me put it to you this way, if you lived by a set of train tracks, would you rather have a diesel or electric locomotive drive past your house twice a day, or a train with 2 enormous jet engines come screaming past you twice a day. Or four times a day. I like trains, trains are cool, and we need more of them, but putting jet engines, not just internal gas turbines, but a couple of General Electric J-47 turbojets off a B-47 jet bomber just isn't the way forward.
@@josephglatz25 I would definitely go with the jet train.
@@DarkElfDivaeh, it looks ugly, just use some big ass electric locomotives
@@DarkElfDiva But would you want to live next to line they operate on?
@@josephglatz25 Yeah, I'd get to see badass trains.
That was cool,id live to see,hear it with a full train.
The music can go,,the jet sound can stayed
On fishplate rails too, not long contiguous welded sections. That must've been terrifying to ride in.
It was scary in the engine at 60 on some old rail near Manasha .
Gotta luv the clag, up yours greta.
Even Pig-Pen didn't make such a dust cloud, usually.
This had to be inspired by Professor Fate's speed record attempt in 1964. "Push the button, Max".
Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaxxxxxxxxx!
More like Dick Dastardly and Muttley.
Was about to watch the Found & Explained video about this train but this video really sums it up very well.
Passenger: Darn it! I'm running late for my important meeting...
Good ol' PennCentral: Hang on slick, we're gonna light'em up!
"trains are a super efficient way to move goods and people". America: "hold my beer"
Ausgezeihnet!
When you had to, positively be there, yesterday
Man they did that on jointed track, too
I was a kid when i saw an illustration of this train in a book - Never knew it was real thing.
That thing is the SPEED DEMON of TRAINS!
Not really. 180mph was fast for the time, but European and Japanese passenger trains have been routinely running at this and higher speeds since the late 1970s.
And from this point on, in all cartoons over the globe, clouds of smoke and dust were animated behind anything that they wanted to show as moving fast......
Perman was a true pioneer of HSR.
ps this was 50 years ago, on jointed track, with normal/unguarded road crossings -- Perlman recalled the aluminum RDC getting airborne several times. Why can't we do this today????
@@TristanMorrowThe main reason is that too much money is being wasted on oversubsidizing stuperhighways and airlines/airports.
How was he a pioneer? This train went exactly nowhere. Actual high speed rail -- trains carrying hundreds of passengers at this speed -- was done in Japan and Europe, using electric power, about a decade after this.
Hey San Francisco and a few other cities tried out turbine powered fire engines around that time too. Supposedly the sirens were almost unnecessary with the jets screaming along the roads.
Thought it was an edited video with the locomotive having a face and a jet engine; but seems to be a real thing. Pretty awesome. Thanks for sharing the video.
Around this time, a company called Turbonique was touring a VW Bug fitted with one of its microturbine engines rated at 1500 HP at dragstrips around the county. The car was called the Black Widow, and was quite successful until it crashed.
‼️💥💥💥💥‼️Tubronique😁,,,,nobody remembers em,,what finally happened to em??
@@milliondollar2981 There's a Wikipedia page on Turbonique, and IIRC the founder was indicted for mail fraud and false advertising.
I remember the black widow !
Great can't wait to see that thing come off the tracks..😮
Wish this existed today😔
no one is talking about how that jet train had a deadpan face
finally something fun to do at home
I remember travelling on NYC in the 1950's from Syracuse to Texas, changing trains in St. Louis. It took forever.
I need more of this niche train content recommended to everyone on youtube so that girls won't find the train fandom as weird
Thanks for the video. I haven't seen this view of the NYC "Black Beetle" before. Nor have I ever heard it called "Free Bird" that's new to me!
"Free Bird" is the music, not the locomotive.
Cool video and channel just subscribed
Americana at it's Apex. Positively Epic !
1960s was the peak craze for speed. The Concorde project was nearly finished, the Japanese were opening on their first Shinkansen line, the French were peaking with their electric train speed tests, and the Americans using jet engine on a single traincar!
I bet that was FUN! Full throttle? Hell yes!!
Would have been awesome to see this live!
Can you imagine the NOISE this thing makes! Hahaha!
This video will become famous in the future.
When New York Central went looking for a suitable turbojet to use for the experimental M-497 "Black Beetle", they acquired a surplus Convair B-36D GE J47 twin jet pod for $5,000.00 from Davis-Monthan AFB's "boneyard". All B-36s were retired from SAC by 1959. The jet pod, with its two J47s were mounted upside-down on the roof of the RDC and angled 5 degress downward to keep the railcar planted on the tracks. Additional fuel tanks were installed and the J47s were run on diesel fuel, The driveshafts were removed from the original power units (Detroit 6-110 Series)
I think you mean angled upwards. :)
I like Gru's new train.
The turbojet engine pod on that train looks suspiciously like it came off a B52. Makes sense, as once those engines are “Timed Out” for Aviation usage after a couple of thousand hours of use, they are usually scrapped.
I think your right! The sheet metal crest between the engines on top nails it. I worked on B-52's in the 70's at Dyess AFB in Texas.
この曲ととんでもな速度で走ってる乗り物は合う、最高だ
Woah. 😮
That is Cool!
I'm thinking that was a B52D engine module slapped on the top of that baby. YEAH!!
B36
Video is half speed. Turn the speed and to two times for a more realistic speed. And it funks up the music too 😊
🤣I took your advice and ramped up the speed one step at a time until I reached ludicrous speed....overpowered by funk!
That thing has a face....once you see it, you can't unsee it....
I'm getting vibes from that one Thomas episode where he had to deliver a jet engine. Good times... good times...
I Love M297. Scratch built one in HO and had to buy the Kato N Scale one
This was back when everyone on the railroad had a flask in their pocket. Everyone.
Yes yes
Imagine how loud it must've been inside that cab. Imagine if they'd done a run with water injection on the engines. GLORIOUS.
Awesome ❤❤
Great well done!
Man hit some rough track on that and you’re going to the moon
“I CAN turn the camera, but that doesn’t mean I WILL!”
Kinda funny, I'm wearing my New York Central Railroad shirt as soon as I find this video
Great vid 👍
The NYC sure had something for breaking speed records.
that's crazy!
People in 2016 when they saw a dragonite on the nearby in central park:
fun fact: at some point for this particular train, it had at one point got some air time after hitting some bumpy parts of track.
False
Thanks CZcams for bringing me here
22k views in 3 days, probably 400k by next week!
Rare footage of the M-497 black beetle from the New York Central System. What a legend. Too bad she unfortunately wasn't preserved and got scrapped by the MTA
bros reaction time is crazy
Good video, like!!!
Cool music!
A cousin of mine helped plan this project and saw it operate.
I love the fact that for something so one of a kind, the cameraman still manages to fall asleep on the job and f*k up the shot😂 must've really hated trains.
I don't think he f**ed it up. The pan is so late that I think he was actually getting a shot of it passing through the shot, and then turned the camera for a bit of extra footage of it going into the distance. On the other hand, this is a slowed-down version of the footage. The train was doing about 180mph, so maybe he was just late on the pan.
This would look SO cool after dark...
*Failed to mention, that's a jet engine pod off of a Convair B-36!*
Me: (hears a free bird)
Also me in the distance: free bird!!
I was expecting 10 years ago
Fastest RDC Budd car in the world
It would certainly simplify the running gear.
OK, that was the most American thing I have ever seen 😂👍
Evolution:
Gordon - Pip and Emma - Free Bird on it's visit to Sodor
"Free Bird" is the music. The locomotive is the M497 "Black Beetle".
As wacky as this is, it’s insane they ran it on what looks like 6ft jointed stick rail. Thank god continuous welded rail now exists. Can’t image how rough that must’ve been
Stick rail is 39ft lengths.
I'm pretty sure that train was judging me on the way by😂
Thanks, CZcams algorithm!
Freebird - The newest addition to Thomas & Friends
"Free Bird" is the music, not the locomotive. That's the M497 "Black Beetle".
Fun fact: this engine was leagues faster than the Acela, making it the fastest engine in American history.
And used leagues of fuel to achieve that goal!
That's the only bullet train America was able to build in its entire existence 😂
*Bad Piggies Theme plays along with Free Bird*