My 2014 Toyota Rav4 EV IS DEAD
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- čas přidán 26. 09. 2020
- Oh man, this sucks. My beloved 2014 Toyota (Tesla) Rav4 EV is DEAD! Multiple faults. It wont charge, wont go into sport mode and the code I am getting indicates a possible battery fault. Im very sad about it. Its a great car! Im really hoping it can be fixed by my local Toyota Dealer here in NY.
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Toyota told me if I bought one outside of California, I was on my own, so I skipped it after reading about a host of issues they're prone to having. Really cool EV though, hope it gets fixed sooner than later.
Thank you. Its a great car. Quite reliable actually. But its when it does break is the problem.
@@JamesKlafehnhow much to repair
My 2012 Rav4 EV's traction motor just went out. So sad, loved this car. The motor has already been replaced once under warranty in 2018 and now that the warranty is over its not worth putting the 8k+ into it. I hope Toyota releases something like this again.
If you save money for the maintenance and replacement, 8K is about 160$ per month over 4 years. I think it is worth.
It's worth asking QC Charge in Vista, CA for another opinion. They are very knowledgeable
@ hell no
Dang dude, this sucks. Subscribing to hear more about it!
I was just recalling I had seen your T-Rex build and digging around to find the videos on it and decide if it was finally financially worth the leap to get one of these things (probably wrecked) and build my own (or find) a power pack to extend the range. Thanks for the detailed videos and I look forward to hearing more!
Thank you so much for watching! I am hoping for a positive outcome. Cant be worse than Tesla's treatment of my family. T-Rex is awesome. I am so glad I built them. Dont forget to hit that thumbs up for me. :)
Sorry to hear. Good luck!
Thank you! Fingers crossed. I hope to know something today.
LoL @ red headed step-child. Thanks for the vids! I'm researching heavily on the RAV4s - the full EV (2012-2014s) and the newer RAV4 Primes.
Thanks for the review. In the market for a RAV4 but will not buy this one. No wonder they are cheaper than other used models!
Thank you for this video
Hi Jim
You mentioned that one of the RAVs cooling pumps went out on your own RAV.
Today my own RAVs dash lit up with a High Battery Temp warning.
The motor and battery contacts were all rebuilt/replaced recently, so I gotta think it’s the pump.
Can you share how you went about replacing your RAVs pump?
Mr. Klafehn, I'm curious, How many mileages were on it when it died/when you sold it to auction?
I have a 2014 Toyota RAV4 as well and it just randomly stopped charging. Could the problem be the on board charger or the charging cable which is Toyota brand cable?
I wonder if burn-outs and similar activities had anything to do with it? I watched your other video and was excited to buy one but not anymore.
Hello! I own a 2013 Rav4 EV that I purchased in 2015 pre-owned. Live in Las Vegas, and bought it through Carmax here. Broke down twice, first time the battery failed and they replaced it at 45k miles brand new battery. The second time was recently. An error code which stated "The computer EV gateway ECU needed to be replaced. That was costly. 😭 I justified the expense in hopes to buy me enough time with the vehicle to wait and get the Cyber Truck. Been doing EV vehicles since 2012. No turning back.
Quick question, is their a way to reset the vehicle to showcase my true range? When I charge it only shows range of 80 miles. That can't be, since it's a new battery pack with only 30k. I tried unplugging the 12 volt. Doesnt do much. Any suggestions would be helpful. 😁
Im sorry you have had issues. I hope you are done having problems.
Yes you can reset it but after some driving it will revert back. It thinks its smart and its estimating your actual available range. But i always found that it was low.
1) Fully charge vehicle using "Extended" with the J1772 port (not CHAdeMO)
2) Battery must be at room temperature. When you charge the RAV4 EV to 100% full on extended charge, it will be warm. If you park in an enclosed garage with outside temps in the 50F-60F, the battery will likely still be warm enough in 4-8 hours.
3) MAKE SURE THE CAR IS OFF !!!
4) Disconnect all 3 of the 12 volt battery negative cables, and leave it that way overnight. This will require removal of the M8 wing nut for JdeMO equipped vehicles, or a 12mm socket to remove the M8 hex nut. The cabin climate control will automatically go to OFF with battery disconnect.
***** Next day: ******
5) Reconnect 12 volt battery
6) Hold foot on brake and press START button with key fob nearby just once
7) Energy "fuel" gauge will show Full (16 illuminated segments) and "LO" on the GOM
8) Wait for navigation unit to complete its start up (about 20 seconds)
9) Press START with brake pedal depressed a second time. You will hear a clunk of the main battery contactors under the front passenger seat and the dash should indicate "READY". The cabin climate control must be off. If it was not off, there is some issue prior to this step.
10) The displayed range is "RATED RANGE" at 3.5 miles per kWh
11) Divide this Rated Range by 146 to get usable battery capacity compared to new.
Example: 142 rated range / 146 = 97.2% battery capacity from new
@@JamesKlafehn Thanks for the tip!!
Commenting so i remember this
I just learned my RAV4 EV has the same error code. I plug it in to charge, and you see it go through normal charging LEDs, clicks, and such, but when the wall charger send the 240 volts to the car, it clicks off after a half second. Then it tries 2 more times and then a larger connection click from bottom of RAV4 is heard and it goes into that lock out mode, with the charging malfunction message popped up. It then never tries again until I remove charger and reconnect it. then the same attempts described above take place. this really sucks because I just bought the car a few months ago, and immediately I had the battery coolant pump go bad. Toyota dealers would not even look at it then, because I have the Chadmo DC charger installed. So I ended up changing the pump myself for $400, then paying Toyota another $200+ to clear the Tesla EV problem error in diagnostics, so I could get my sport mode to work again! It took me only 20 minutes to swap the pump, and 3 days of dealer visits to have 2 dealers tell my No we won't honor your platinum warranty and won't help me prior! It sucks really! The lack of service and attitude on the added DC charger is BS. I love this car, but if these break downs happen every couple months, I will be selling this car soon.
That sucks Jeff. Yeah, same boat it sounds like. How old is your 12v battery? A bad battery definitely creates issues with these cars. The contactors inside the battery pack are also something that causes this issue. That is my problem.
Its a great car but the support is HORRIBLE. Thankfully I have needed almost nothing all these years. Have you watched my Rav4 review videos?
Spot on ! All Tesla motors made that sound around 26,000 miles, Free Replacement. My charge controller went out,$2,500, Free Replacement. Funny they guy did the same here, Left the cable in Baltimore.. lame...
Sad to learn that after 10 years that Electric cars will eventually break down. Rav4s are great when it’s pure gasoline only. I know that batteries are complicated to deal with according to Scotty Kilmer. They save gas and money, I got to say, but the life expectancy is what makes it difficult. Thanks for sharing. Have an amazing day! 😊
Is your extended warranty transferable to next buyer?
That's a big bummer. I would like to try one as used car, but I think I have to check it really good if ever.
Its a great car! My wife is really bummed. She misses it. I really like it too. Dont buy one without a warranty. Even buying one outside of CA is risky.
I don't want to ever have to buy a motor or battery pack. My brother's Tacoma is still going strong at 370k ++ miles. I expect ridiculous longevity from Toyota.
“She’s dead, Jim!” Put a red wrap on it like the ensign shirt of death from Star Trek!
How many mileages are on it ?
Tesla coolant pump! My Model S had 4 coolant pumps changed and the Model S only has 3 pumps!
That sucks. Thankfully only one of mine had had to be replaced. The car has 2 battery pumps and 1 cabin heater pump
About the warranty you bought. Could I buy one now or is it to old to buy a warranty for this car? I know after a gets a certain age the dealer won’t offer warranties anymore
The warranty is a factory toyota warranty and they wont honor it. I talked to a lawyer but it would cost tens of thousands to sue toyota.
We're on the fence between a Prime XSE premium we have a deposit on or a VW ID4 we ALSO have a deposit on.
There is no reason to be on the fence about a Prime. Its a phenomenal car.
Thanks God what I find a tesla software for second obd2 diagnostic and coding stuff.
how long did it serve you? I want to buy a 35k mileage today. I’ve bought warranty for 75k more milege
I got 87,000 miles out of it. Not good. Shouldve lasted longer.
I would be interested in an EV vehicle but the problem is like you described there is no infrastructure in place to work on those vehicles it is going to be a slow process to make that transition to electrification
Tesla is the problem. Tesla doesnt release their software so you cant do anything to the car. In order to replace most parts you need Teslas software to program the part to the car. Otherwise it wont work. Luckily problems rarely happen with EVs Teslas though.... Stay away from Tesla until they improve their quality and service.
There is for other cars. If you have a leaf, bolt EV or i3 you can literally order parts and get service from the dealership fine. The problem with the rav4 ev is that it has a propulsion system built by another company that doesn’t want to help repair the existing cars. As such now repairs are time consuming and expensive.
@@RickyJ137 yup. Tesla has great tech... When it works.
James Klafehn a few year back I was really hoping Toyota would acquire Tesla. Just imagine Toyota industrial might and dealership network behind Tesla software and engineering. Now that would be a sight to behold.
Wow. That seems weird to Lease a Prime, they are super rare and should hold their resell.
That’s one of the reasons I leased. I think the residual price is extremely reasonable. I plan on buying the car at the end. Leasing makes my payments cheaper now and I don’t pay New York State sales tax on the car until I actually buy it. I ran the numbers and I’m only losing about $400 versus a purchase but the benefits far outweigh the cons in my opinion. I got a great price
@@JamesKlafehn A quick Google search tells me that in New York they collect the
@@JamesKlafehn I think you got the tax part wrong. In fact, I know you did. In NY, we pay the sales tax on purchases or leases. On a lease, the sales tax is on the amount of the lease.
@@afcgeo882 Maybe what I said was confusing. I only pay tax on the monthly payments, NOT the entire purchase price. I dont pay the sales tax on the residual until I actually buy the car.. It was a win win.
@@JamesKlafehn Yes, but considering that the total price ends up being higher (if you purchase it at the end of lease) and that the sales tax rate is still about 8% you end up paying MORE in taxes, not less.
I wish he stated how many miles on it when it died. I'm considering a used 2014 with 23K miles for $4500.
How about leasing a Bolt EV? If you're a Costco member, you can lease one for $200 with very little down
Much too small for me.
Ironically in a toyota all car parts that break are the ones made by tesla.
Exactly.
@@JamesKlafehn In my 2007 rav 4 2.0 AT, looks like yours, but the gasoline one. My mechanic just changed the idle sensor and cleaned some sensors and intake parts for 120$ total in half a day. When the problem started, the car was fully driveable, it just had unusual vibrations. Usually if tesla breaks, it becomes a big expensive brick.
【Godz】 yup. Did you watch my model x videos?
Any Tesla parts in the 2021 Prime?
Freddie the Fly no
James, what Tesla codes are read in this car?
The Toyota EV System apparently has a DTC P312F.
I ran it again and its the contactor error.
@@JamesKlafehn You can let me know number of tesla alert code(s) of yors RAV4EV?
@@altechpage Its at Toyota. No idea when Ill get it back. Its the battery contactors. They were still working but that was the error code. Still waiting to see what they are going to do about it.
@@JamesKlafehn Is their version (bad contactors) just an assumption or a diagnostic result (analysis of the data stream, reading the current codes, etc.)?
What are they thinking about? Change faulty contactors or change completely HV battery assembly?
@@altechpage Toyota hasnt told me anything yet. They cleared the code and it came back. But before It went into them I ran the CAN data and it was the contactors.
Well...I just bought a 2014 Rav 4 EV from Toyota with platinum warranty with 48,000 miles and no issues yet. Any prediction when the car will brick?
No idea. Its good until suddenly its not. I wish you the best. Its a great car! I loved mine!!!!! But unfortunately it is a throw away car because you wont get parts and service.
Just run and enjoy it till well it doesn't.
I wonder if you are a great mechanic could you put a little 2.5 L or a 1.8 small Toyota engine that would run that thing another 300,000 miles? Or would it cost crazy amounts to retrofit
lol, you could just buy a normal gas version for super cheap. Like $6k
John Reff It’d cost a crazy amount to retrofit and you really can’t do it. It’s more of a hack job.
John, it's make no sense.
ruhoer eoijre no it wouldn’t
Californians love EVs especially when the temps went pretty high and newsome told his state not to use air conditioning or charge their EVs because the grid would overload. Saving the environment
Which forum do you recommend to learn about these
facebook.com/groups/rav4ev/
www.myrav4ev.com/forum/
Rip 2014 RAV 4 EV (aka Model S 40kWh) haha
Why did you get a RAV4 Prime after you had so many problems with your RAV4 EV?
Watch my Tesla playlist. It was so much worse. Its Tesla's fault, not as much Toyota's czcams.com/play/PLuMPs5qUmnoRFg_zUfrbM5gDR1PYahXI8.html
Wow, would you still recommend the Rav4EV? I still would prefer an SUV EV, but looking also at a spark or leaf, especially the leaf because of the volume of available vehicles out there. Just hate the limited range on the older EVs...
Not sure where you are but if you are in the states and your credit score is decent with the rebates they’re giving out you could buy a brand new EV and not actually spend your own money for over two years
Yes I definitely would. But like I said, make sure you have a warranty. I wouldnt own one outside of the US.
James Klafehn Thanks, I sent you a PM on FB...let’s chat.
It depends what is your budget... Leaf, spark, Miev, smart, Fiat 500e this is what you can get under 10k. For like 10-15k you can buy a rav4ev, b250e, bolt.
You always can extend range of ev with another additional pack with same voltage.
Livehack: you can buy 13+ leaf with dead battery about 2-3k$ and 62 kWh battery for 7-8k and get it installed by independent EV shop(im doing such upgrades in Los Angeles, check ebay)
John Reff Thanks, I’m really interested in paying cash for the cheapest, most reliable option. A running salvage would be an option.
Did Toyota buy it back?
No. It was too old for a buyback. They didnt help me in any way shape or form. I had to send the car to auction
Oh man. You're getting me a little scared. I'm about to go pick up a 2013 RAV4 EV. Should I go ahead and still bite the bullet and get it? I think 88,000 mi.
You should be. It is a throw away car unfortunately. If it breaks you cannot get parts and no one will work on it.
@@JamesKlafehn Rich rebuilds put a garage here about 2 hours from me in Florida. Electrified garage. I think they would maybe work on it.
@@wadafruit Im friends with Rich. They cant do much to these. No one has the software to integrate with it and when some of the parts fail you need to program them to the car. Even dealers dont do it. Then you have to actually find the part. Toyota wont sell you parts. Believe me, I LOVE this car. I have had 6 of them. I have helped friends buy them. They have all failed.... I wouldnt buy it. I am so glad this is gone.
Thanks brother for the tip. I guess I'll have to cancel. Saved 11k.
@@wadafruit Thanks for watching! I think you made a good decision.
Gut the car, and put in a Warp9 motor and a used Leaf battery. Get rid of the odd stuff. I don't know why someone hasn't come out with a RAV like EV. It isn't hard. EV's don't have to be tiny weird cars. I think that is one big reason Tesla is so successful. They aren't pretending to be a practical, real car. They are a practical, real world vehicle. I'm thinking about converting my gas RAV to EV, but it just keeps going and going. HA!
Get a Spark EV!!! 🤩🤩
Too small for me. What’s the range on those? 70ish?
@@JamesKlafehn Spark range is 82 miles which is not that good, if you want full EV crossover might aswell wait for nissan ariya or vw id.4 those two has 300+ miles range
6 year old car is dead?! That's terrible.
Its not just a car. Its a piece of history. Its an amazing vehicle.
@@JamesKlafehn I buy my cars expecting them to last 15 years at least. And be supported by the company. Oddly, that dead EV is more like a one off exotic car that whose company died years ago. I think you'll have better longevity and support with the Prime.
Jim, you're not fooling anyone. We all know that this is just an excuse to get an XSE... LOL (kidding)
hahaha luckily my wife doesnt read these comments. You SHUSH!
make toyota give you a loaner again since its under warranty! its not your fault that they cant service the car properly.
I will not gonna provide them an screw. What a hell? Pay for warranty and supply my own parts? No way!
They wont.
Каким нужно быть рукожопом чтобы сломать тойоту...
The rav4 prime is a lease??? WTF There must be a real reason because that’s the last car in the world I would lease. I would buy that thing with the quickness. Well you know over five years
There are a lot of reasons to lease the car over buying it.
If you lease, the $7,500 tax credit goes to the leasing company. Does the leasing company pass anything on to you? Buying, then selling after 3 years sounds cheaper, since you get the tax credit for sure. Am I wrong on this? If so, could you explain it. I'm considering buying, but leasing is Ok too. I've leased many times and it always was a good deal but you have to put in the effort and negotiate price and money factor. My situation is that I can pay cash if I so choose, if that helps.
Gerald Moore that’s not necessarily true I have heard you get the credit even faster like if it’s a Toyota when you get the lease they apply the 7500 to what you’re doing and James is a smart guy I’m sure he’s got his reasons for leasing
@@John-209 Do you have anything to pass on? A link, perhaps? "I've heard" and "James is a smart guy" are both pretty vague. But you've got me curious.
@@geraldmoore6257 Yes, I get a 0% money factor on the lease. I did the math and it would save me about $4500 compared to a loan to purchase. The lease rate and amount I got on this car is awesome! I cant make use of a tax credit due to my deductions so purchasing it wouldve been a total waste. I wouldve got maybe a couple thousand of it. Its hard to say exactly without paying my CPA hundreds of dollars to look into it and give me an answer.
I respect cash but youd be better off financing the car and investing your cash in TSLA