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- A Parliamentary inquiry into birth trauma is calling for a national plan to improve maternity care as it found that getting good birthing care is now “the exception rather than the rule”. We’ve asked the panel what their personal experience has been with giving birth and if they agree that a minister is needed for the topic of maternity.
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It's not just childbirth, this is happening all the time with surgeries, especially on women who end up getting dismissed as if they're pretending there is a problem!
Yes there absolutely needs to be a maternity minister that solely handles maternity care and neonatal care in the NHS. My sister could have died from blood loss after delivering her son in 2017
I have a similar story to Colleen's sister. I had a 36-hour labour before everything went frantic and I was whisked off for an emergency c-section. I was having contractions for all that time but wasn't dilating. I felt something wasn't right, but I wasn't listened to. Then, just before starting the op, I heard the surgeon say, "I don't like the look of this" to a colleague. I think he thought I wouldn't hear him, I don't know. I was then worried that my baby was going to be born dead. Luckily, he was ok. For weeks afterwards I kept crying for no apparent reason. I now believe that I was traumatised at the time. But, as you say, you're just left to get on with it afterwards.
As a student midwife, I'd like to point out that there IS actually help out there, but the problem is that women aren't signposted to it properly. All hospitals now do something called a 'Birth Reflection', which is where you can book an appointment to go into the hospital - if you feel you can, phone call also available - and sit down with someone who will go through your notes with you, and tell you what happened, when and why. Notes are kept for 25 years, so it doesn't have to happen straight away.
As a student, I make a point of mentioning this service to the women before they are discharged from hospital, or postnatally in the community, but sadly many other midwives do not.
SO if you're struggling with birth trauma, please contact your hospital about Birth Reflection!
Wow gave birth a year ago and did not know that this was a thing. I will look into this. Thank you for sharing.
That sounds like just an opportunity to talk and it go absolutely nowhere. Will people be held accountable for negligence? I doubt it. They'll always be excuses. Medical professionals stick together and protect each other etc. A talk and a poxy "we understand" isn't good enough where babies have died or mothers have suffered life changing injuries or trauma that could have been prevented. Seems like just another way to sweep things under the carpet making mothers think they've finally been heard. Ooo let them get it off their chest. Sorry even the term "Birth Reflection" sounds poxy AF. Might be good enough for super positive individuals with no long term trauma.
Maybe the main focus should be providing adequate care so as to avoid trauma. I understand that some things are unavoidable but a lot can be avoided. The midwives and doctors need to learn to listen to women and take their concerns seriously. How about taking a proactive approach and avoid these things, rather than this reactive approach your referring to.
It’s called a a ‘constant debrief ‘
Just wanna say both my labours I had a student midwife there and honestly they did a better job of being supportive than the actual midwife. If anything the students could teach some of the midwives a thing or two about how to show compassion, empathy or just common sense. I get they must go through a lot of women, but they could be a bit more nicer, it's a painful and scary experience. Student midwives have been amazing though in my experience ❤
I also have birth trauma. I was made to feel like an over reacting first time mother, I was completely disregarded - it resulted in a 55 hr labour, an emergency c section, huge blood loss and transfusion, life support and a hysterectomy. I’ve not been the same since. It was due to clinical negligence although an internal serious incident review said otherwise, but I fought it and we were successful - I saw we as my husband and I have both been left with PTSD! I’m furious about how we were treated and how different things could have been had I been listened to. It turns out I was failing to dilate past 4cm and they induced me, but even after the NICE guidelines for reviewing progress they wouldn’t operate and continued to give me oxytocin. Even when they finally agreed to give me a c section, they continued to give the induction drug. My daughter’s head was impacted and stuck. When the surgeon operated there was a huge argument within the surgical team, it was chaotic, the surgeon appeared covered in blood, speaking frantically and incoherently, my baby did not cry and I did not know if she was ok, I wasn’t even told if I had a girl or a boy until one of the team said ‘She’s beautiful’. I was put to sleep and woke up 7 hours later to see members of my family at the foot of my bed and immediately knew something serious had happened. My husband then had to tell me I had had a hysterectomy - I was hysterical and was asking if the baby was ok - she wasn’t next to me. The nurses had cared for her as my husband wasn’t in a good place. He had had to make the decision about my hysterectomy and had been told to prepare for the worst. I have had EMDR but I still have flashbacks. No one prepares you for when it goes wrong. The hospital couldn’t offer a birth reflection at the time and gave us a number for a miscarriage counsellor!
I’m definitely traumatised, I was in labour from Saturday afternoon and gave birth Wednesday morning, I was lucky to have my family with me for support.
I lost my son when Dr and nurse said I couldn’t be in labor at 32 weeks. They wouldn’t scan me and sent me home. They said “first time mum, overreacting “ two days later I was giving birth to dead son. The report/paperwork said in retrospect I was in labor and they should have acted. I had to give birth in labor ward with other mums and babies. Dr said “these things happen “
Oh mg god!!!I am so sorry!! Absolutely disgusting how they treated you and how negligent they are.
I'm so sorry that happened. That's awful. I can't imagine how that must have felt
I’m so so sorry
I'm so so sorry. This was heartbreaking to read....
Sue them because who knows how many more babies are in danger because of that evil dr and nurse
I think if you want a c-section for your mental health, I think you absolutely should be allowed to have one.
You actually can, I did for my 5th and last child,due to getting PTSD and Tokophobia from my 4th. Obviously they arent keen on doing it as it cost more money for nhs but its better then years of needing therapy and going to the Gp for depression etc.
@@lauracooke280 Good on you for managing to get a c-section for your health. If it cost more to get therapy and antidepressants than to have an elective caesarean, the NHS should reevaluate their priorities.
Why would you want to be cut when you could choose gravity to do the work
I elected a c section for physiological reasons and I had no problem getting that done.
@Jstar697 there are several reasons to elect to do a c section. I did it because I have a very very small foot size, indicating that I have a small pelvis and the likelihood of an assisted birth is high. Assisted births come with a lot of risks and I absolutely didn't want that. So I elected a c section.
I was misdiagnosed 4 different things during the course of 5 days at 35 weeks pregnant. My body was actually triggering labour. The idiots wanted to induce me but i was already 2cm dilated. They sent my anxiety sky high for fk all and i won't ever trust them again. My second child is due in August and because of the first experience, im worried already. Im going to pour my heart out to my midwife... Hopefully she listens! Fingers crossed for a better experience.
Maybe having a doula would help?
@@adwoamk8918 we went to see one of them during the last week's of my first pregnancy, to talk and ask questions. Since I posted this comment we have arranged for my partners mum to look after Emily when I'm close to giving birth. I wouldn't want anyone else but my partner to be with me.
That was the same with my labour in 2007, midwife had her back to me writing notes throughout. I ended u having a traumatic birth ended up in emergency C-section.
I became disabled from having my son in 2015 now I’m getting my 3rd serious op next week
So sorry. Good luck with your surgery ❤.
@@oluSolomon thank you very nervous but nhs failed me from birth to now and it’s so upsetting even worse when you worked for nhs thankfully I worked with with the best people and had the best people to care for but then seeing how I’ve been treated I could write a book honestly it’s so bad
Two babies, two birth traumas. I can never do it again. It truly nearly broke me in every sense.
I got maternal sepsis which was completely preventable and I still have ptsd till this day
My daughters owed 63 million due to severe clinical negligence and couldn't get legal aid so I've had to represent myself in the high court
Yes I have my first I had a miscarriage and my second was traumatic he now 4 years old ❤
Hearing all of this I want kids but I’m now terrified and not sure I want to go through all of this. It’s so sad that the healthcare system is failing women like this 😢
Oh don't be afraid you can do it ... I had a homewater birth with 2 midwifes who attended my birth from beginning to the end it was the best experience of my life unforgettable.... and yes it can be beautiful
Bless you. You can do it. Get all the advice you can and learn from these kinds of mistakes so you know what needs to be in place. Some things I wish I knew.
It’s really odd that in both America and the UK that black women have higher risk than anyone else. I’m not talking about the obvious, I’m wondering if anyone has ever really delved into the science of it.
Im American so we don’t have anything like the NHS although my husband was in the military so we did have really good healthcare. The hospital we were at had a policy of basically “we don’t believe in pain” so they kept me more than comfortable. I am what’s called a borderline free bleeder. Just means I bleed a lot more than normal but not to the point of danger usually. So I had some issues after birth but again, really really good drugs so I was calm and that kept my husband calm.
its simply because of systematic racism, black women are seen as being more troublesome, louder, more aggressive etc. and so are dismissed as being difficult when they try to tell the doctors about a potential problem or pain.
I think it’s a combination of things really but a huge factor to consider is that most medical diagnoses and medical treatment are conducted with white men and white women in mind. It’s really only in our very recent history that science is catching up and we are learning to factor in genetic differences in the races.
@@signalfire15I would agree with you in usual medical situations, especially when just going to your GP. However, medical professionals within pregnancy & childbirth are usually not ‘white males’ by the majority, so don’t think this is the reason for the statistics within child birth & pregnancy.
@@leabeauty837 I was speaking more in general in the medical field.
@@sarahh2315It is a factor, not the whole reason and it is wrong and dangerous to say so. Medically, there are other factors that are incredibly important to realise and have knowledge. Obesity, prevalence of diabetes, hypertension, higher likelihood of heart problems, and higher proportions of women without a partner to share care with and likelihood of depression all figure in higher risk, language barriers, FGM. Every woman should know that these are risk factors and know what to be aware of, any symptoms, and factor that into how their healthcare is planned and monitored and how to cope as a vulnerable mum if you are on your own. If women do not know what their vulnerabilities and symptoms are and put everything down to racism then there will not be an improvement in women getting the help they need. Another issue is due to relatively low population of black and brown women, there has been a lack of experience in recognising where black and brown women are at higher risk than the models of care developed around the risk factors in white women, because the vast majority of the maternal population are white. It is a skew in the model that needs to be addressed and ensure training and refresher training is regularly rolled out to those who provide maternal care. This is 'racist' in that the model needs updating due to the change in demographics, it is not racist in the sense that it was not deliberately designed to discriminate.
In terms of explicit racism to any particular patient as an individual, the medical staff involved need to have their licences revoked as they are not fit to practice in this country, no matter their race or ethnicity, or who their racism is directed at.
I had an incredibly traumatic birth. The hospital in east london where i delivered has a horrible reputation. My placenta burst which is fine it happens but i wasn't given any care or attention i literally remember a midwife saying there won't be anyone available and to come the next day. My mothers a doctor and said I should have been on IV antibiotics so they kept me and didn't do anything. Long story short I had an emergency c- section and was told i could have potentially died from an infection and my daughter as well cause of staff shortages and negligence.
Newham general by any chance
Whipps Cross?
@summerco6440 right was going to ask if it was newham General. I was born there and so was my son who's 7 now. Thankfully I had no issues during my labour im one of the lucky ones
One simple answer Yes I suffered
Who are you to say that, it’s a talk show for God sake.
@@musicms7723 can you read? If so, read the title of the video again. 😒
I had two c sections, with 1st one everything was horrible, 3 days of labour then an emergency c section, followed by infection and on top of that when it was infected they told me it’s allergy. The next time when it start oozing lot of pus I went to triage n waited 4 hours n there was a puddle of pus gathered in my feet yet no one to see me instead they were putting tissues on it. When got admitted again for antibiotic IV the midwifes there treated me so bad. On the first night at hospital after c sec I ask a midwife to help me by passing me the baby as baby was hungry and crying I try to reach the crib but I couldn’t she told me to do it myself otherwise how will I do it at home, spent all night struggling.
I was so lucky to have my mum I got septis and had to stay in for a week after a very traumatic birth. She had to sleep on the floor for 4 days until they gave her anything to sleep on while I was in the bed recovering from emergency c section and Septis. I was left each day for hours for any painkillers I'm blessed to have my baby girl but I am scared for life from it
My son nearly died due to medical negligence. He was starved of oxygen for 8 minutes, he has damage to part of his brain and we were told it was 50/50 as to whether he would even survive or not 😢 something needs to be done about this
The Conservative government have so much to answer for 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼
Alot the midwife in the hospital are young. Although they are trained some might not had kids themselves
I don’t think that should matter personally? The midwife who helped me deliver my 2nd child had no children of her own but she was fantastic.
The ones who were great to us were young and presumably childless. The ones who were rude, condescending, arrogant and incompetent were older non UK born women who didn’t study or trained here. This is my experience with 2 pregnancies and 2 different hospitals.
What a horrific statement to make. I'm a student midwife, and I am unable to have my own kids. So does that mean I SHOULDN'T be a midwife, because I'm never able to empathise with the women ?! No, it doesn't. I can give just as good care as midwives who have their own children.
@@clairejoicey7648 I am not saying a good midwife but when my child they was alot young midwife they was all nice also in hospital. And very helpful
is it a requirement that you have to had children to be a good midwife? i know midwives who dont have children and are amazing midwives
There is an old saying in my language that a woman in labour has one foot in a grave.
Unfortunately yes childbirth is life threatening even today
they left me for 2 days at the end i lost the conciest
I had the most horrific experience 2 and a halfweeks ago. Useless people, and empathy ...oh 0% coming from each member of staff i encountered
I know so many women and also men who have truama from birth. I do not personally, there were things that were traumatic, but i wouldnt say i was traumatized afterwards and then weeks and months after. I barely saw my midwife unless they were doing checks or i was actually having to push but my mum got them when my body pushed on its own and burst my waters. But ive had people saying to me, please do not tell me about your birth. I know it was lovely for you but mine wasnt and when you bring yours up it brings mines up inside mt head and i cant think about it. Personally i wouldnt put that on another person. Id be seeling help for the trauma rather than telling someone not to share something thst brings them joy.
They're forcing medical staff to do too much admin, to cover the hospital in case of a lawsuit. However, in taking staff attention away from patients, they're putting patients at risk and making it more likely that they'll be sued...it's pure stupidity.
Why does Brenda often get left till
the very end when there’s fork all time for her to say anything? Poor woman didn’t even get to talk.
Child free seems to be the best option for women moving forward 💯
Midwives used to go to uni for free, work at a medical placement throughout their qualification, in other words, work for free to qualify. Now they’re being charged tuition fees to work for free, with an awarenesss that their salary will never be good… the conservatives are not just actively destroying the nhs, they are destroying the stock of nurses that will be able to qualify in the future
you say we need more midwives but it takes 3 years to train one. doesn't happen overnight! how about making entry requirements to training easier? i am sure there are people who would love to do the course but dont have that opportunity
Victoria Atkins interview go to us always about money,not enough and not making a difference.
Another thing to put me off having kids.
Giving birth itself is trauma, in my eyes.
Why does,brenda have an eye patch on
She had some eye irritation from hay-fever or something similar and didn't want any dust or other irritants to get into the eye and make it worse.
Hope,Brenda's eye gets better soon.
Charlene🙄🥴🙉
All gynae care is shocking
Judi doesn’t seem to know what to do with her hair 🤦🏿♀️
Some women like changing their hairstyle a lot.
Don’t start!!!!
It's normal for us black women to constantly change our hairstyle lol.
Now Colleen Nolan is getting paided for speaking about her pets . Attenion seeker 😮